Poll of the Day > Florida man shoots Burger King employee dead over slow service

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Far-Queue 08/03/20 11:02:46 AM #1:	https://www.newsweek.com/florida-burger-king-shooting-orange-county-1522273 How are people this insane able to procure guns? --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:942934864] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>https://www.newsweek.com/florida-burger-king-shooting-orange-county-1522273 How are people this insane able to procure guns? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aHappySacka 08/03/20 11:08:45 AM #2:	God bless America. --- You are now blinking and breathing manually. https://imgur.com/91NC0Cb <cite>aHappySacka posted [p:942935048] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>God bless America. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 08/03/20 11:21:06 AM #3:	22 years old. Over a $40 order at Burger King. Throw both of them in jail and throw away the key. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:942935469] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>22 years old. Over a $40 order at Burger King. Throw both of them in jail and throw away the key. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/03/20 11:45:42 AM #4:	Didnt someone make a prediction topic on this <cite>Cacciato posted [p:942936270] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Didnt someone make a prediction topic on this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/03/20 11:53:59 AM #5:	...i don't understand why the kid went outside of the store though like, he was working drive-thru, and presumably the store isn't accepting walk-ins, regardless, this all took place in the parking lot, so why did he even leave the building --- 'cause everything's changing and i don't know s* about s*. <cite>helIy posted [p:942936541] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>...i don't understand why the kid went outside of the store though like, he was working drive-thru, and presumably the store isn't accepting walk-ins, regardless, this all took place in the parking lot, so why did he even leave the building </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeahorseCpt89 08/03/20 11:56:51 AM #6:	Florida That explains everything. --- I am the forum boy, I'm the one who posts. <cite>SeahorseCpt89 posted [p:942936632] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote><quote>Florida</quote> That explains everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/03/20 12:03:39 PM #7:	Terrible --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:942936869] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Terrible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 08/03/20 12:10:59 PM #8:	Cacciato posted... Didnt someone make a prediction topic on this It's a little off It needs to be a McDonalds and it needs to be because of masks Unfortunately this particular incident was unnecessary. Hopefully the next one is more on point. --- https://imgtc.com/i/sIhpHts.jpg <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:942937139] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Cacciato posted... </cite> <quote>Didnt someone make a prediction topic on this</quote>It's a little off It needs to be a McDonalds and it needs to be because of masks Unfortunately this particular incident was unnecessary. Hopefully the next one is more on point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 08/03/20 12:14:41 PM #9:	Only way to stop this from becoming more prevalent is to get this country some proper education. But then we might start questioning a lot of the things that are wrong here so... that wont happen. --- "Wham wham bam bam" - the sound of Microsoft getting destroyed by Sony again <cite>HornedLion posted [p:942937274] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Only way to stop this from becoming more prevalent is to get this country some proper education. But then we might start questioning a lot of the things that are wrong here so... that wont happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/03/20 12:15:47 PM #10:	One woman, identified as Ashley Mason, became angry at the length of time it took for her to be served and started shouting at Joshua, telling him that she was going to have "her man" come to the restaurant. The worker then refunded Mason $40 and asked her to leave. After waiting in the parking lot, Mason drove away in her black sedan and returned a short while later with another vehicle being driven by Rodriguez-Tormes. The suspect then demanded a fight with Joshua and put him in a headlock and began to choke him, police said. A witness then pulled Rodriguez-Tormes off Joshua, before the suspect went to his white truck to retrieve a gun. Rodriguez-Tormes told then the victim: "You got two seconds before I shoot you." The suspect is then alleged to have shot the 22-year-old before fleeing the scene. Joshua was taken to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The Orange County Sheriff's Office said Joshua had only been working at the Burger King branch for a few days before he was killed. The affidavit said that during interviews, Rodriguez-Tormes told police that he had dismantled the gun used and placed it "in a location which cannot be located." Rodriguez-Tormes was arrested on charges of first degree murder with a firearm, destruction of evidence, and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Mason was also questioned by police in the wake of the shooting after being identified as the woman who became irate in the Burger King line. STOP REWARDING KARENS! She got fucking $40 of food for free for being a fucking bitch and giving (in hindsight) VERY CREDIBLE death threats! She is the one that threatened the employee and sicced "her man" on him. She should be arrested for murder, too. If felony murder allows a getaway driver to be charged for it if one of his buddies is shot dead by the person they were burglaring, how in the fucking hell is she exempt from charges?! This is ultimate level pussy privilege. The killer should be charged for fleeing the scene as well, shouldn't he? Fucking throw the book at him, this is Florida, right? I thought they were a "tough on crime" state? Trivial, but she should be forced to pay back the $40. Seriously, wtf? <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:942937305] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote><quote>One woman, identified as Ashley Mason, became angry at the length of time it took for her to be served and started shouting at Joshua, telling him that she was going to have "her man" come to the restaurant. The worker then refunded Mason $40 and asked her to leave. After waiting in the parking lot, Mason drove away in her black sedan and returned a short while later with another vehicle being driven by Rodriguez-Tormes. The suspect then demanded a fight with Joshua and put him in a headlock and began to choke him, police said. A witness then pulled Rodriguez-Tormes off Joshua, before the suspect went to his white truck to retrieve a gun. Rodriguez-Tormes told then the victim: "You got two seconds before I shoot you." The suspect is then alleged to have shot the 22-year-old before fleeing the scene. Joshua was taken to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The Orange County Sheriff's Office said Joshua had only been working at the Burger King branch for a few days before he was killed. The affidavit said that during interviews, Rodriguez-Tormes told police that he had dismantled the gun used and placed it "in a location which cannot be located." Rodriguez-Tormes was arrested on charges of first degree murder with a firearm, destruction of evidence, and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Mason was also questioned by police in the wake of the shooting after being identified as the woman who became irate in the Burger King line. </quote>STOP REWARDING KARENS! She got fucking $40 of food for free for being a fucking bitch and giving (in hindsight) VERY CREDIBLE death threats!She is the one that threatened the employee and sicced "her man" on him. She should be arrested for murder, too. If felony murder allows a getaway driver to be charged for it if one of his buddies is shot dead by the person they were burglaring, how in the fucking hell is she exempt from charges?! This is ultimate level pussy privilege.The killer should be charged for fleeing the scene as well, shouldn't he? Fucking throw the book at him, this is Florida, right? I thought they were a "tough on crime" state?Trivial, but she should be forced to pay back the $40. Seriously, wtf?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 08/03/20 12:23:03 PM #11:	How can people live in Florida? The place is a mad house. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:942937576] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>How can people live in Florida? The place is a mad house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LaggnFragnLarry 08/03/20 12:32:32 PM #12:	Hop103 posted... How can people live in Florida? The place is a mad house. the winters are pretty nice here <cite>LaggnFragnLarry posted [p:942937930] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>How can people live in Florida? The place is a mad house.</quote>the winters are pretty nice here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ECW_Originals12 08/03/20 12:44:05 PM #13:	human filth <cite>ECW_Originals12 posted [p:942938405] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>human filth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/03/20 2:10:07 PM #14:	What makes it even more depressing is the victim had literally just started working there. He'd only been with the company a few days before this happened. Far-Queue posted... https://www.newsweek.com/florida-burger-king-shooting-orange-county-1522273 How are people this insane able to procure guns? The man is a convicted felon, he obviously bought it illegally. Pretty stupid question, honestly. SeahorseCpt89 posted... That explains everything. A post that stupid explains a lot about you. HornedLion posted... Only way to stop this from becoming more prevalent is to get this country some proper education. But then we might start questioning a lot of the things that are wrong here so... that wont happen. Except no, that literally has nothing to do with anything. More importantly, it's certainly possible that he was an immigrant so it could be another country's education system you'd need to improve. streamofthesky posted... STOP REWARDING KARENS! She got fucking $40 of food for free for being a fucking bitch and giving (in hindsight) VERY CREDIBLE death threats! She didn't get it "for free," she only left with her money. If she got it for free, she wouldn't have had a guy show up with a gun. streamofthesky posted... She is the one that threatened the employee and sicced "her man" on him. She should be arrested for murder, too. If felony murder allows a getaway driver to be charged for it if one of his buddies is shot dead by the person they were burglaring, how in the fucking hell is she exempt from charges?! This is ultimate level pussy privilege. If not murder, then certainly something like incitement to violence. Bitch shouldn't be getting off free when she initiated the encounter. streamofthesky posted... The killer should be charged for fleeing the scene as well, shouldn't he? Maybe you can also charge him for jaywalking or something >_> When you're dealing with really serious crimes, they tend to limit the charges to the major crimes. You'll also notice that he wasn't charged with assault despite physically attacking the kid before murdering him. Not to mention that I think "fleeing the scene" is specific to cars. Hop103 posted... How can people live in Florida? The place is a mad house. Except it's not, or at least no more so than literally any other state. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:942941618] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>What makes it even more depressing is the victim had literally just started working there. He'd only been with the company a few days before this happened. Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.newsweek.com/florida-burger-king-shooting-orange-county-1522273 How are people this insane able to procure guns?</quote> The man is a convicted felon, he obviously bought it illegally. Pretty stupid question, honestly. SeahorseCpt89 posted... </cite> <quote>That explains everything.</quote> A post that stupid explains a lot about you. HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Only way to stop this from becoming more prevalent is to get this country some proper education. But then we might start questioning a lot of the things that are wrong here so... that wont happen.</quote> Except no, that literally has nothing to do with anything. More importantly, it's certainly possible that he was an immigrant so it could be another country's education system you'd need to improve. streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>STOP REWARDING KARENS! She got fucking $40 of food for free for being a fucking bitch and giving (in hindsight) VERY CREDIBLE death threats!</quote> She didn't get it "for free," she only left with her money. If she got it for free, she wouldn't have had a guy show up with a gun. streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>She is the one that threatened the employee and sicced "her man" on him. She should be arrested for murder, too. If felony murder allows a getaway driver to be charged for it if one of his buddies is shot dead by the person they were burglaring, how in the fucking hell is she exempt from charges?! This is ultimate level pussy privilege.</quote> If not murder, then certainly something like incitement to violence. Bitch shouldn't be getting off free when she initiated the encounter. streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>The killer should be charged for fleeing the scene as well, shouldn't he?</quote> Maybe you can also charge him for jaywalking or something >_> When you're dealing with really serious crimes, they tend to limit the charges to the major crimes. You'll also notice that he wasn't charged with assault despite physically attacking the kid before murdering him. Not to mention that I think "fleeing the scene" is specific to cars. Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>How can people live in Florida? The place is a mad house.</quote> Except it's not, or at least no more so than literally any other state. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 08/03/20 2:15:32 PM #15:	now his order is going to take even longer. what a dumbass --- me when anyone replies to my posts: https://youtu.be/d1YBv2mWll0 <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:942941850] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>now his order is going to take even longer. what a dumbass </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teddy241 08/03/20 2:17:35 PM #16:	aHappySacka posted... God bless America. <cite>teddy241 posted [p:942941922] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>aHappySacka posted... </cite> <quote>God bless America.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GGuirao13 08/03/20 2:41:31 PM #17:	Death penalty for both of them! --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>GGuirao13 posted [p:942942827] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Death penalty for both of them! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OniRonin 08/03/20 2:42:15 PM #18:	did he ever get his burger --- god is dumb. she/her #NotAllGamers #YesAllLandlods <cite>OniRonin posted [p:942942862] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>did he ever get his burger </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/03/20 2:43:28 PM #19:	sadly regicide can happen to anyone --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942942909] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>sadly regicide can happen to anyone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 08/03/20 2:53:00 PM #20:	streamofthesky posted... * STOP REWARDING KARENS! How Ive felt about all current events for the last seven years or so. --- C was right. <cite>zebatov posted [p:942943238] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>* STOP REWARDING KARENS!</quote> How Ive felt about all current events for the last seven years or so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoukaiSlayer 08/03/20 3:47:23 PM #21:	Both are subhuman filth. --- I'm ninja (you can't see me) <cite>YoukaiSlayer posted [p:942945268] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Both are subhuman filth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teddy241 08/03/20 3:52:53 PM #22:	america is on fire. everybody is on edge and owns a gun. the odds of an american citizen of being shot has gone up like 25% than before <cite>teddy241 posted [p:942945464] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>america is on fire. everybody is on edge and owns a gun. the odds of an american citizen of being shot has gone up like 25% than before </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/03/20 3:54:33 PM #23:	teddy241 posted... america is on fire. everybody is on edge and owns a gun. the odds of an american citizen of being shot has gone up like 25% than before no things are pretty chill mostly it just seems crazy when you see all the headlines --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942945533] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>teddy241 posted... </cite> <quote>america is on fire. everybody is on edge and owns a gun. the odds of an american citizen of being shot has gone up like 25% than before</quote> no things are pretty chill mostly it just seems crazy when you see all the headlines </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 08/03/20 4:08:08 PM #24:	Zeus posted... The man is a convicted felon, he obviously bought it illegally. Pretty stupid question, honestly. Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:942946124] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>The man is a convicted felon, he obviously bought it illegally. Pretty stupid question, honestly.</quote> Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/03/20 4:19:25 PM #25:	Far-Queue posted... Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing We have to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms by opposing background checks and online and gun show loopholes that stop non-law-abiding citizens from obtaining firearms! -- The NRA <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:942946570] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing</quote>We have to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms by opposing background checks and online and gun show loopholes that stop non-law-abiding citizens from obtaining firearms! -- The NRA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teddy241 08/03/20 5:28:21 PM #26:	<cite>teddy241 posted [p:942949350] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/03/20 5:34:54 PM #27:	Far-Queue posted... Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing Its kinda nice that I can be blocked by Zeus yet still see the stupid shit he posts. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:942949610] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing</quote>Its kinda nice that I can be blocked by Zeus yet still see the stupid shit he posts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/08/20 2:19:13 AM #28:	Far-Queue posted... Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing ...uh, we don't allow them, that's the whole point of having laws against it, bro. -_- streamofthesky posted... We have to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms by opposing background checks and online and gun show loopholes that stop non-law-abiding citizens from obtaining firearms! -- The NRA Because so many people who illegally buy guns are going to gun shows for them. /topic --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:943132981] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing</quote> ...uh, we don't allow them, that's the whole point of having laws against it, bro. -_- streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>We have to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms by opposing background checks and online and gun show loopholes that stop non-law-abiding citizens from obtaining firearms! -- The NRA</quote> Because so many people who illegally buy guns are going to gun shows for them. /topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cute_fan 08/08/20 6:02:42 AM #29:	OniRonin wrote: did he ever get his burger ^.~ --- cuteness ^.^ <cite>cute_fan posted [p:943136134] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>OniRonin wrote: <quote>did he ever get his burger</quote> ^.~</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheWorstPoster 08/08/20 6:18:15 AM #30:	Why does Florida Man keep doing this? What is his problem? Florida Man needs to be locked up for good. <cite>TheWorstPoster posted [p:943136313] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Why does Florida Man keep doing this? What is his problem? Florida Man needs to be locked up for good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 08/08/20 7:15:17 AM #31:	Zeus posted... ...uh, we don't allow them, that's the whole point of having laws against it, bro. -_- Oh dang you're right those laws are so effective obviously this person having a gun was a fluke and no other criminals any where have guns silly me bro my bad our laws are absolutely perfect as-is and enforcement is top notch just one single solitary baddie with a gun yup --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:943137091] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...uh, we don't allow them, that's the whole point of having laws against it, bro. -_-</quote>Oh dang you're right those laws are so effective obviously this person having a gun was a fluke and no other criminals any where have guns silly me bro my bad our laws are absolutely perfect as-is and enforcement is top notch just one single solitary baddie with a gun yup </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 08/08/20 8:47:38 AM #32:	Zeus posted... The man is a convicted felon, he obviously bought it illegally. Pretty stupid question, honestly. It's really not a stupid question. It's a pretty stupid assumption by you that he bought the gun. Maybe he stole the gun. Maybe a friend sold or gave it to him. Maybe it was his girlfriend's gun and he disassembled it to not get her in deep shit with the crime. Also, if a convicted felon can buy a gun then there's something that needs to be changed about the way guns are sold in this country. Even if he got it through some other means like mentioned above, somebody somewhere fucked up in selling a gun to a person who definitely should not be handling firearms. Can we agree that it is way too easy for anyone (felon or not) to get a gun in this country? Zeus posted... More importantly, it's certainly possible that he was an immigrant Based on what exactly? <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:943138445] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>The man is a convicted felon, he obviously bought it illegally. Pretty stupid question, honestly.</quote> It's really not a stupid question. It's a pretty stupid assumption by you that he bought the gun. Maybe he stole the gun. Maybe a friend sold or gave it to him. Maybe it was his girlfriend's gun and he disassembled it to not get her in deep shit with the crime. Also, if a convicted felon can buy a gun then there's something that needs to be changed about the way guns are sold in this country. Even if he got it through some other means like mentioned above, somebody somewhere fucked up in selling a gun to a person who definitely should not be handling firearms. Can we agree that it is way too easy for anyone (felon or not) to get a gun in this country? Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>More importantly, it's certainly possible that he was an immigrant</quote> Based on what exactly? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 08/08/20 2:05:52 PM #33:	Your honour, the prosecution hereby presents Exhibit #4,267,897 in the case of "The Second Amendment is Dumb as Fuck". --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:943146520] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Your honour, the prosecution hereby presents Exhibit #4,267,897 in the case of "The Second Amendment is Dumb as Fuck". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 08/08/20 3:20:06 PM #34:	Zeus posted... ...uh, we don't allow them, that's the whole point of having laws against it, bro. -_- Pedantically speaking, if it hasn't been prevented, it's been allowed. The fact that it has happened suggests that the laws in question are inadequate. Zeus posted... Because so many people who illegally buy guns are going to gun shows for them. /topic I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that a good many people who illegally sell guns do, though. The bottom line is that - with the pretty negligible exception of homemade ones - every illegally-owned gun was legally acquired at some point, then passed into the illegal market because the laws are inadequate for preventing that. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:943148764] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...uh, we don't allow them, that's the whole point of having laws against it, bro. -_-</quote> Pedantically speaking, if it hasn't been prevented, it's been allowed. The fact that it has happened suggests that the laws in question are inadequate. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Because so many people who illegally buy guns are going to gun shows for them. /topic</quote> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that a good many people who illegally sell guns do, though. The bottom line is that - with the pretty negligible exception of homemade ones - every illegally-owned gun was legally acquired at some point, then passed into the illegal market because the laws are inadequate for preventing that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
party_animal07 08/08/20 4:12:48 PM #35:	sigh A fragile male ego and a woman he cares for is one of the most, if not *the* most, volatile combos in existence. --- https://images.app.goo.gl/azaFeZSgzXpCeCX69 <cite>party_animal07 posted [p:943150473] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>sigh A fragile male ego and a woman he cares for is one of the most, if not the most, volatile combos in existence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zazabar 08/08/20 4:41:20 PM #36:	Zeus up in here responding to everyone and everything. THERE IS NO SAFE --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/killer2001 You'll see...I'll still be Andy's favorite toy. >:) <cite>Zazabar posted [p:943151413] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus up in here responding to everyone and everything. THERE IS NO SAFE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/08/20 4:42:14 PM #37:	Zazabar posted... Zeus up in here responding to everyone and everything. THERE IS NO SAFE lmao --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943151439] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zazabar posted... </cite> <quote>Zeus up in here responding to everyone and everything. THERE IS NO SAFE</quote> lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/11/20 1:07:08 AM #38:	Far-Queue posted... Oh dang you're right those laws are so effective obviously this person having a gun was a fluke and no other criminals any where have guns silly me bro my bad our laws are absolutely perfect as-is and enforcement is top notch just one single solitary baddie with a gun yup What? Your shitposts just get weirder and weirder. How long has murder been illegal and how many laws do we have preventing murder yet murder keeps being a thing? Clearly the laws are insufficient! But yeah, I'm guessing it's just a really shitty cover on your part because you stupidly thought he had bought a gun legally, which is why you bring up THE INTARWEBZ!!! when that dude doesn't even look like he knows how to turn a computer on. sodium-chloride posted... It's really not a stupid question. It's a pretty stupid assumption by you that he bought the gun. Maybe he stole the gun. Maybe a friend sold or gave it to him. Maybe it was his girlfriend's gun and he disassembled it to not get her in deep shit with the crime. It's still a stupid question since regardless the answer is illegally and he tries to suggest it was somehow done legally. sodium-chloride posted... Also, if a convicted felon can buy a gun then there's something that needs to be changed about the way guns are sold in this country. Even if he got it through some other means like mentioned above, somebody somewhere fucked up in selling a gun to a person who definitely should not be handling firearms. lolwut? Does a drug dealer "fuck up" when he sells drugs? You're pretending that there's some oversight when it's usually just deliberate criminality. sodium-chloride posted... Can we agree that it is way too easy for anyone (felon or not) to get a gun in this country? Not really, no. There are countless onerous laws on the books making it difficult for law-abiding citizens to buy guns. _AdjI_ posted... Pedantically speaking, if it hasn't been prevented, it's been allowed. The fact that it has happened suggests that the laws in question are inadequate. Then are you suggesting we allow rape and child molestation in this country? Because there are countless laws against both yet it still happens. _AdjI_ posted... I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that a good many people who illegally sell guns do, though. The bottom line is that - with the pretty negligible exception of homemade ones - every illegally-owned gun was legally acquired at some point, then passed into the illegal market because the laws are inadequate for preventing that. You mean laws preventing theft don't actually stop theft (such as the theft of guns from homes)? You know what laws also don't stop shit? Gun-free zone laws don't prevent shootings. Murder laws don't prevent murders. Rape laws don't prevent rape. Theft laws don't prevent theft. A gun is pretty effective at preventing a lot of that stuff, though. If everybody at that BK -- including the employee -- was packing, do you think this thug would have engaged in a violent confrontation? Given that you guys don't trust or even like cops, you should be all for more citizens having guns to defend themselves against violent felons like this punk who, even if he only had a knife, was a danger to the employee and others. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:943241012] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Oh dang you're right those laws are so effective obviously this person having a gun was a fluke and no other criminals any where have guns silly me bro my bad our laws are absolutely perfect as-is and enforcement is top notch just one single solitary baddie with a gun yup </quote> What? Your shitposts just get weirder and weirder. How long has murder been illegal and how many laws do we have preventing murder yet murder keeps being a thing? Clearly the laws are insufficient! But yeah, I'm guessing it's just a really shitty cover on your part because you stupidly thought he had bought a gun legally, which is why you bring up THE INTARWEBZ!!! when that dude doesn't even look like he knows how to turn a computer on. sodium-chloride posted... </cite> <quote>It's really not a stupid question. It's a pretty stupid assumption by you that he bought the gun. Maybe he stole the gun. Maybe a friend sold or gave it to him. Maybe it was his girlfriend's gun and he disassembled it to not get her in deep shit with the crime.</quote> It's still a stupid question since regardless the answer is illegally and he tries to suggest it was somehow done legally. sodium-chloride posted... </cite> <quote>Also, if a convicted felon can buy a gun then there's something that needs to be changed about the way guns are sold in this country. Even if he got it through some other means like mentioned above, somebody somewhere fucked up in selling a gun to a person who definitely should not be handling firearms.</quote> lolwut? Does a drug dealer "fuck up" when he sells drugs? You're pretending that there's some oversight when it's usually just deliberate criminality. sodium-chloride posted... </cite> <quote>Can we agree that it is way too easy for anyone (felon or not) to get a gun in this country?</quote> Not really, no. There are countless onerous laws on the books making it difficult for law-abiding citizens to buy guns. _AdjI_ posted... </cite> <quote>Pedantically speaking, if it hasn't been prevented, it's been allowed. The fact that it has happened suggests that the laws in question are inadequate.</quote> Then are you suggesting we allow rape and child molestation in this country? Because there are countless laws against both yet it still happens. _AdjI_ posted... </cite> <quote>I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that a good many people who illegally sell guns do, though. The bottom line is that - with the pretty negligible exception of homemade ones - every illegally-owned gun was legally acquired at some point, then passed into the illegal market because the laws are inadequate for preventing that.</quote> You mean laws preventing theft don't actually stop theft (such as the theft of guns from homes)? You know what laws also don't stop shit? Gun-free zone laws don't prevent shootings. Murder laws don't prevent murders. Rape laws don't prevent rape. Theft laws don't prevent theft. A gun is pretty effective at preventing a lot of that stuff, though. If everybody at that BK -- including the employee -- was packing, do you think this thug would have engaged in a violent confrontation? Given that you guys don't trust or even like cops, you should be all for more citizens having guns to defend themselves against violent felons like this punk who, even if he only had a knife, was a danger to the employee and others. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 08/11/20 5:11:38 AM #39:	Zeus posted... What? Your s**posts just get weirder and weirder. How long has murder been illegal and how many laws do we have preventing murder yet murder keeps being a thing? Clearly the laws are insufficient! Oh dang dude you're right crime in general keeps happening so I guess we should do nothing to reduce any* crime from happening in the future if there's already a law on the books what a big brain you have Zoos thanks for showing me the error of my ways --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:943244451] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>What? Your s***posts just get weirder and weirder. How long has murder been illegal and how many laws do we have preventing murder yet murder keeps being a thing? Clearly the laws are insufficient!</quote> Oh dang dude you're right crime in general keeps happening so I guess we should do nothing to reduce any crime from happening in the future if there's already a law on the books what a big brain you have Zoos thanks for showing me the error of my ways </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 08/11/20 5:54:01 AM #40:	Far-Queue posted... Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing Zeus was such a jerk to multiple users in that post. Shocking hes forever alone. /s --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:943244881] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Oh dang you're right guess there's nothing we can do about that we should continue to allow criminals to purchase guns illegally silly me for asking how this continues to be a thing</quote>Zeus was such a jerk to multiple users in that post. Shocking hes forever alone. /s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 08/11/20 7:00:37 AM #41:	Zeus posted... lolwut? Does a drug dealer "fuck up" when he sells drugs? You're pretending that there's some oversight when it's usually just deliberate criminality. That gun was legal at one point. Criminals don't have their own secret gun factory that they use to manufacture their firearms. So somebody, at some point, bought that gun legally and it eventually came into the criminal's hands. How the criminal himself got a hold of it isn't particularly relevant to this point, because the point is if there were stricter controls on guns and/or fewer guns floating around, there's less of a chance for that gun to get to its original owner and, therefore, less of a chance it eventually passes on to someone who will use it for criminal means. Zeus posted... Not really, no. There are countless onerous laws on the books making it difficult for law-abiding citizens to buy guns. No, there aren't. If you want to see actual, effective gun control laws, go literally anywhere else. Even other "gun-friendly" countries like Switzerland (19th most guns per capita), Canada (7th most guns per capita) or Finland (10th most guns per capita) have things like gun licenses, registration, mandatory training, mandatory waiting periods, etc. The US's gun laws are only strict if you don't compare it to anyone else. Zeus posted... If everybody at that BK -- including the employee -- was packing, do you think this thug would have engaged in a violent confrontation? The numbers say yes. If your logic actually worked, the US would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world, particularly in gun-heavy areas, because criminals would be too terrified to commit violence. The US, after all, has by far the highest civilian gun ownership rate, so shouldn't all those guns push down crime rates as criminals are either deterred or killed in justifiable homicides? But that's not what actually happens. Instead, the US has high rates of violent crime and a frankly obscene murder rate, proving that this "gun deterrence" is and always has been right-wing fiction. There's also no indication that gun-friendly states fare better than their gun-restrictive peers, as many of the US's most violent states (Top 10, in order, are Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Nevada, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, South Carolina, and Arizona as of 2018). When civilians have essentially free access to firearms, the criminals do too, which makes them more effective at what they're doing because, unlike their victims, they know when violence is going to take place and they can have their weapons ready first. I also shouldn't have to point this out, but someone who is willing to shoot someone else over fast food service isn't thinking rationally and plainly is not all that worried about consequences for their actions or else, y'know, they wouldn't have shot someone over fast food service. Adding guns to the mix is not going to alter that equation. Zeus posted... Given that you guys don't trust or even like cops, you should be all for more citizens having guns to defend themselves against violent felons like this punk who, even if he only had a knife, was a danger to the employee and others. Half the reason why policing in the US is in such a sorry state is because the cops are dealing with a heavily armed populace. They need to have itchy trigger fingers for their own safety, because there's an excellent chance that whoever they're trying to arrest is armed. You notice how most other first-world countries have police that more effectively de-escalate situations? How many have cops that don't even bother to carry firearms? They can do that, because their odds of running into an armed criminal are low. US cops always have to assume that whoever they're dealing with is potentially armed, because there's a ~50% chance they do. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:943245605] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>lolwut? Does a drug dealer "fuck up" when he sells drugs? You're pretending that there's some oversight when it's usually just deliberate criminality.</quote>That gun was legal at one point. Criminals don't have their own secret gun factory that they use to manufacture their firearms. So somebody, at some point, bought that gun legally and it eventually came into the criminal's hands. How the criminal himself got a hold of it isn't particularly relevant to this point, because the point is if there were stricter controls on guns and/or fewer guns floating around, there's less of a chance for that gun to get to its original owner and, therefore, less of a chance it eventually passes on to someone who will use it for criminal means. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Not really, no. There are countless onerous laws on the books making it difficult for law-abiding citizens to buy guns.</quote>No, there aren't. If you want to see actual, effective gun control laws, go literally anywhere else. Even other "gun-friendly" countries like Switzerland (19th most guns per capita), Canada (7th most guns per capita) or Finland (10th most guns per capita) have things like gun licenses, registration, mandatory training, mandatory waiting periods, etc. The US's gun laws are only strict if you don't compare it to anyone else. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>If everybody at that BK -- including the employee -- was packing, do you think this thug would have engaged in a violent confrontation?</quote>The numbers say yes. If your logic actually worked, the US would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world, particularly in gun-heavy areas, because criminals would be too terrified to commit violence. The US, after all, has by far the highest civilian gun ownership rate, so shouldn't all those guns push down crime rates as criminals are either deterred or killed in justifiable homicides? But that's not what actually happens. Instead, the US has high rates of violent crime and a frankly obscene murder rate, proving that this "gun deterrence" is and always has been right-wing fiction. There's also no indication that gun-friendly states fare better than their gun-restrictive peers, as many of the US's most violent states (Top 10, in order, are Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Nevada, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, South Carolina, and Arizona as of 2018). When civilians have essentially free access to firearms, the criminals do too, which makes them more effective at what they're doing because, unlike their victims, they know when violence is going to take place and they can have their weapons ready first. I also shouldn't have to point this out, but someone who is willing to shoot someone else over fast food service isn't thinking rationally and plainly is not all that worried about consequences for their actions or else, y'know, they wouldn't have shot someone over fast food service. Adding guns to the mix is not going to alter that equation. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Given that you guys don't trust or even like cops, you should be all for more citizens having guns to defend themselves against violent felons like this punk who, even if he only had a knife, was a danger to the employee and others. </quote>Half the reason why policing in the US is in such a sorry state is because the cops are dealing with a heavily armed populace. They need to have itchy trigger fingers for their own safety, because there's an excellent chance that whoever they're trying to arrest is armed. You notice how most other first-world countries have police that more effectively de-escalate situations? How many have cops that don't even bother to carry firearms? They can do that, because their odds of running into an armed criminal are low. US cops always have to assume that whoever they're dealing with is potentially armed, because there's a ~50% chance they do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kungfu Kenobi 08/11/20 9:02:14 AM #43:	_AdjI_ posted... Pedantically speaking, if it hasn't been prevented, it's been allowed This is so fucking wrong. --- This album is not available to the public. Even if it were, you wouldn't wanna listen to it! <cite>Kungfu Kenobi posted [p:943247700] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>_AdjI_ posted... </cite> <quote>Pedantically speaking, if it hasn't been prevented, it's been allowed</quote> This is so fucking wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/11/20 2:30:47 PM #44:	Far-Queue posted... Oh dang dude you're right crime in general keeps happening so I guess we should do nothing to reduce any crime from happening in the future if there's already a law on the books what a big brain you have Zoos thanks for showing me the error of my ways ...and that cuts to the core of your ignorant misunderstanding of the nature of laws. Ultimately laws punish after the fact, they don't do much to "reduce crime from happening" beyond discouraging law-abiding citizens who wouldn't commit those other crimes in the first place. If you actually want to stop crimes as they happen, give more people guns. darkknight109 posted... That gun was legal at one point. Criminals don't have their own secret gun factory that they use to manufacture their firearms. So somebody, at some point, bought that gun legally and it eventually came into the criminal's hands. How the criminal himself got a hold of it isn't particularly relevant to this point, because the point is if there were stricter controls on guns and/or fewer guns floating around, there's less of a chance for that gun to get to its original owner and, therefore, less of a chance it eventually passes on to someone who will use it for criminal means. We live in the world's largest gun manufacturer which, in addition, has essentially two open borders and a ton of places where contraband to enter the country. The idea that even a gun ban would stop criminals from getting guns is a fantasy. And as much as you insist that it's not relevant, it's VERY relevant even by the arguments of your side. darkknight109 posted... If you want to see actual, effective gun control laws, go literally anywhere else. Even other "gun-friendly" countries like Switzerland (19th most guns per capita), Canada (7th most guns per capita) or Finland (10th most guns per capita) have things like gun licenses, registration, mandatory training, mandatory waiting periods, etc. Per capita is a purposefully deceptive statistic that ignores gun ownership trends in nations. In the US, it's driven by collectors whereas Switzerland it's spread among households. And I should mention grenades are illegal in Switzerland, but they have a stunningly large number of grenade attacks in recent years. darkknight109 posted... If your logic actually worked, the US would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world, particularly in gun-heavy areas, because criminals would be too terrified to commit violence. The US, after all, has by far the highest civilian gun ownership rate, so shouldn't all those guns push down crime rates as criminals are either deterred or killed in justifiable homicides? Which is a great example of lying with statistics. Your statistic is based on the guns per overall population argument, which overlooks that gun ownership in the US is driven by collectors with many guns. Compare that to Switzerland where the gun ownership rate is absurdly high BUT it's 1-2 guns per household rather than many households with 17+ guns where other households have none (and by the way, Switzerland historically had one of the lowest rates of violence in the world up until recent years) And it's worth noting that the areas with the lowest gun ownership rates have been home to many mass shootings, while the ones with higher gun ownership rates haven't. And the state with the highest gun ownership rate -- Montana -- has one of the lowest murder rates in the country. darkknight109 posted... But that's not what actually happens. Instead, the US has high rates of violent crime and a frankly obscene murder rate, proving that this "gun deterrence" is and always has been right-wing fiction. There's also no indication that gun-friendly states fare better than their gun-restrictive peers, as many of the US's most violent states (Top 10, in order, are Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Nevada, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, South Carolina, and Arizona as of 2018). When civilians have essentially free access to firearms, the criminals do too, which makes them more effective at what they're doing because, unlike their victims, they know when violence is going to take place and they can have their weapons ready first. The state with the highest gun ownership rate -- Montana -- also has one of the lowest murder rates. And the other states you highlight have countless other population problems where, with a lack of guns, those numbers would likely be far worse. But if you want to argue access, look at Mexico. Mexico has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the world -- so strict, in fact, that law-abiding gun owners can't concealed-carry.... and it also has the highest gun murder rate in the world. https://www.wsj.com/articles/mexicos-soaring-murder-rate-proves-gun-control-is-deadly-11571696723 https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-guns-20180524-story.html If gun control actually worked like you claim, Mexico would be among the safest countries in the world. darkknight109 posted... I also shouldn't have to point this out, but someone who is willing to shoot someone else over fast food service isn't thinking rationally and plainly is not all that worried about consequences for their actions or else, y'know, they wouldn't have shot someone over fast food service. Adding guns to the mix is not going to alter that equation. So basically you're arguing that whether or not he had a gun, the kid's life was in danger... something that would have only been stopped if other people there had guns. darkknight109 posted... You notice how most other first-world countries have police that more effectively de-escalate situations? How many have cops that don't even bother to carry firearms? They can do that, because their odds of running into an armed criminal are low. US cops always have to assume that whoever they're dealing with is potentially armed, because there's a ~50% chance they do. Before you were distorting statistics, now you're just making them up. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:943257455] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Oh dang dude you're right crime in general keeps happening so I guess we should do nothing to reduce any crime from happening in the future if there's already a law on the books what a big brain you have Zoos thanks for showing me the error of my ways</quote> ...and that cuts to the core of your ignorant misunderstanding of the nature of laws. Ultimately laws punish after the fact, they don't do much to "reduce crime from happening" beyond discouraging law-abiding citizens who wouldn't commit those other crimes in the first place. If you actually want to stop crimes as they happen, give more people guns. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>That gun was legal at one point. Criminals don't have their own secret gun factory that they use to manufacture their firearms. So somebody, at some point, bought that gun legally and it eventually came into the criminal's hands. How the criminal himself got a hold of it isn't particularly relevant to this point, because the point is if there were stricter controls on guns and/or fewer guns floating around, there's less of a chance for that gun to get to its original owner and, therefore, less of a chance it eventually passes on to someone who will use it for criminal means.</quote> We live in the world's largest gun manufacturer which, in addition, has essentially two open borders and a ton of places where contraband to enter the country. The idea that even a gun ban would stop criminals from getting guns is a fantasy. And as much as you insist that it's not relevant, it's VERY relevant even by the arguments of your side. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>If you want to see actual, effective gun control laws, go literally anywhere else. Even other "gun-friendly" countries like Switzerland (19th most guns per capita), Canada (7th most guns per capita) or Finland (10th most guns per capita) have things like gun licenses, registration, mandatory training, mandatory waiting periods, etc.</quote> Per capita is a purposefully deceptive statistic that ignores gun ownership trends in nations. In the US, it's driven by collectors whereas Switzerland it's spread among households. And I should mention grenades are illegal in Switzerland, but they have a stunningly large number of grenade attacks in recent years. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote> If your logic actually worked, the US would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world, particularly in gun-heavy areas, because criminals would be too terrified to commit violence. The US, after all, has by far the highest civilian gun ownership rate, so shouldn't all those guns push down crime rates as criminals are either deterred or killed in justifiable homicides?</quote> Which is a great example of lying with statistics. Your statistic is based on the guns per overall population argument, which overlooks that gun ownership in the US is driven by collectors with many guns. Compare that to Switzerland where the gun ownership rate is absurdly high BUT it's 1-2 guns per household rather than many households with 17+ guns where other households have none (and by the way, Switzerland historically had one of the lowest rates of violence in the world up until recent years) And it's worth noting that the areas with the lowest gun ownership rates have been home to many mass shootings, while the ones with higher gun ownership rates haven't. And the state with the highest gun ownership rate -- Montana -- has one of the lowest murder rates in the country. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>But that's not what actually happens. Instead, the US has high rates of violent crime and a frankly obscene murder rate, proving that this "gun deterrence" is and always has been right-wing fiction. There's also no indication that gun-friendly states fare better than their gun-restrictive peers, as many of the US's most violent states (Top 10, in order, are Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Nevada, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, South Carolina, and Arizona as of 2018). When civilians have essentially free access to firearms, the criminals do too, which makes them more effective at what they're doing because, unlike their victims, they know when violence is going to take place and they can have their weapons ready first.</quote> The state with the highest gun ownership rate -- Montana -- also has one of the lowest murder rates. And the other states you highlight have countless other population problems where, with a lack of guns, those numbers would likely be far worse. But if you want to argue access, look at Mexico. Mexico has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the world -- so strict, in fact, that law-abiding gun owners can't concealed-carry.... and it also has the highest gun murder rate in the world. https://www.wsj.com/articles/mexicos-soaring-murder-rate-proves-gun-control-is-deadly-11571696723 https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-guns-20180524-story.html If gun control actually worked like you claim, Mexico would be among the safest countries in the world. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>I also shouldn't have to point this out, but someone who is willing to shoot someone else over fast food service isn't thinking rationally and plainly is not all that worried about consequences for their actions or else, y'know, they wouldn't have shot someone over fast food service. Adding guns to the mix is not going to alter that equation.</quote> So basically you're arguing that whether or not he had a gun, the kid's life was in danger... something that would have only been stopped if other people there had guns. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>You notice how most other first-world countries have police that more effectively de-escalate situations? How many have cops that don't even bother to carry firearms? They can do that, because their odds of running into an armed criminal are low. US cops always have to assume that whoever they're dealing with is potentially armed, because there's a ~50% chance they do.</quote> Before you were distorting statistics, now you're just making them up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 08/11/20 2:41:52 PM #45:	Zeus posted... ...and that cuts to the core of your ignorant misunderstanding of the nature of laws. Ultimately laws punish after the fact, they don't do much to "reduce crime from happening" beyond discouraging law-abiding citizens who wouldn't commit those other crimes in the first place. If you actually want to stop crimes as they happen, give more people guns. Oh dang bro you're right we're absolutely helpless to prevent crime we can only punish crime after the fact so we should hand guns out willy nilly to every asshole with a pulse I'm sure there will be no downside to this everyone is a capable responsible adult and can handle firearms and the rest of us should just throw our hands up and surrender to criminals and let them do what they do harming citizens in whatever way they please then we'll punish them later gotcha great planning Zeusie-poo we should make zero effort to prevent crime except for arming everyone which will not at all create any more issues holy shit I don't know how I didn't see things your way sooner thank you so much for enlightening me --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:943257839] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...and that cuts to the core of your ignorant misunderstanding of the nature of laws. Ultimately laws punish after the fact, they don't do much to "reduce crime from happening" beyond discouraging law-abiding citizens who wouldn't commit those other crimes in the first place. If you actually want to stop crimes as they happen, give more people guns.</quote>Oh dang bro you're right we're absolutely helpless to prevent crime we can only punish crime after the fact so we should hand guns out willy nilly to every asshole with a pulse I'm sure there will be no downside to this everyone is a capable responsible adult and can handle firearms and the rest of us should just throw our hands up and surrender to criminals and let them do what they do harming citizens in whatever way they please then we'll punish them later gotcha great planning Zeusie-poo we should make zero effort to prevent crime except for arming everyone which will not at all create any more issues holy shit I don't know how I didn't see things your way sooner thank you so much for enlightening me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/11/20 4:05:10 PM #46:	Far-Queue posted... Oh dang bro you're right we're absolutely helpless to prevent crime we can only punish crime after the fact so we should hand guns out willy nilly to every asshole with a pulse I'm sure there will be no downside to this everyone is a capable responsible adult and can handle firearms and the rest of us should just throw our hands up and surrender to criminals and let them do what they do harming citizens in whatever way they please then we'll punish them later gotcha great planning Zeusie-poo we should make zero effort to prevent crime except for arming everyone which will not at all create any more issues holy shit I don't know how I didn't see things your way sooner thank you so much for enlightening me Just for that, you don't get a gun. Everybody else, check under your seats! You get a gun! And you get a gun! And you get a gun! --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:943261246] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Oh dang bro you're right we're absolutely helpless to prevent crime we can only punish crime after the fact so we should hand guns out willy nilly to every asshole with a pulse I'm sure there will be no downside to this everyone is a capable responsible adult and can handle firearms and the rest of us should just throw our hands up and surrender to criminals and let them do what they do harming citizens in whatever way they please then we'll punish them later gotcha great planning Zeusie-poo we should make zero effort to prevent crime except for arming everyone which will not at all create any more issues holy shit I don't know how I didn't see things your way sooner thank you so much for enlightening me</quote> Just for that, you don't get a gun. Everybody else, check under your seats! You get a gun! And you get a gun! And you get a gun! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 08/11/20 4:12:09 PM #47:	Hop103 posted... How can people live in America? The place is a mad house. Fixed. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:943261520] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>How can people live in America? The place is a mad house.</quote>Fixed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pvegeta 08/11/20 4:15:21 PM #48:	Yep, he's a simp. --- gamertag - Jamal The Titan, PSN: MrCannady Twitch - PrezVegeta <cite>pvegeta posted [p:943261668] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Yep, he's a simp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman 08/11/20 4:29:06 PM #49:	Yeah everyone armed sure was great in the Wild West. It was a time of everyone following the law and almost 0 murders. Classic Zeus acting like more guns fixes everything, its like someone claiming that more gasoline is how you fight a raging fire. <cite>Monopoman posted [p:943262338] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Yeah everyone armed sure was great in the Wild West. It was a time of everyone following the law and almost 0 murders. Classic Zeus acting like more guns fixes everything, its like someone claiming that more gasoline is how you fight a raging fire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 08/11/20 4:43:19 PM #50:	Zeus posted... Just for that, you don't get a gun. That's okay gun proliferation works like herd immunity everyone else will keep me safe and a massive increase in firearms ownership will have exactly zero negative repercussions --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:943263018] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Just for that, you don't get a gun.</quote>That's okay gun proliferation works like herd immunity everyone else will keep me safe and a massive increase in firearms ownership will have exactly zero negative repercussions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 08/11/20 7:45:04 PM #51:	Zeus posted... We live in the world's largest gun manufacturer which, in addition, has essentially two open borders and a ton of places where contraband to enter the country. The idea that even a gun ban would stop criminals from getting guns is a fantasy. Guns flow out of America, not in. Your weapons equip criminals in Canada and Mexico, not the other way around. And yes, gun bans do stop criminals from getting guns, as proven by basically any crime statistic you care to mention. Within the US, gun-restrictive states have lower homicide rates than gun-permissive states. On a national level, gun-restrictive countries have lower homicide rates than gun-permissive ones. Yes, you will never fully prevent all criminals from arming themselves, but most are not James Moriarty, criminal geniuses both mentally and financially capable of evading arms control measures; most are your garden variety fuckups who wouldn't have the first clue on where to get a gun if they weren't fucking everywhere in the US. Zeus posted... And I should mention grenades are illegal in Switzerland, but they have a stunningly large number of grenade attacks in recent years. There have been literally zero grenade attacks in Switzerland in recent years. This is, as you are so fond of putting it, fake news. Check your facts before posting garbage like this. Zeus posted... Per capita is a purposefully deceptive statistic that ignores gun ownership trends in nations. This is a hilarious deflection that ignores the entire point of the paragraph you carefully excised it from. The US has fewer restrictions than any other gun-friendly nation. You can define "gun-friendly" however you like and if you want to try and dither about per-capita, you're free to use any other metric you please, the comparison still holds true. America is one of the only countries in the world - and the only developed one, to my knowledge - where gun ownership is considered a right rather than a privilege and where there is, essentially, no universal check, licensure, or registration required to own a weapon. Zeus posted... Your statistic is based on the guns per overall population argument, which overlooks that gun ownership in the US is driven by collectors with many guns. Which ultimately doesn't make a difference, because there are so many guns in America that even if you want to define it exclusively by gun owners, you're still talking about an enormous percentage of the population. 30% of all US adults own a gun and 43% live in a household where at least one gun is present. I don't have the percentages for Switzerland, but there are only 2.3 million guns for 8.3 million people (7 million adults). Even if the guns were distributed perfectly evenly, that would equate to 32% of all Swiss adults owning a gun - basically the same as the US. When you factor in that collectors exist in Switzerland as well, the actual percentage of gun-owning adults in the country is almost assuredly lower than the US. Once again, check your facts. Zeus posted... Switzerland historically had one of the lowest rates of violence in the world up until recent years Switzerland also has much tighter regulations around guns than the US. Guns are only allowed for sport-shooting, hunting, or collecting, concealed carry is mostly banned, ammunition is restricted, permits are required for carrying the weapon in public and require both regular renewal and the passing of a test proving knowledge of the weapon and safe practices in its use, and transport of the weapon is heavily regulated and must only be done with a specific purpose in mind. If the US adopted the Swiss model, it would be a massive step in the right direction. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:943270718] in Florida ma... [t:78889484]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>We live in the world's largest gun manufacturer which, in addition, has essentially two open borders and a ton of places where contraband to enter the country. The idea that even a gun ban would stop criminals from getting guns is a fantasy.</quote>Guns flow out of America, not in. Your weapons equip criminals in Canada and Mexico, not the other way around. And yes, gun bans do stop criminals from getting guns, as proven by basically any crime statistic you care to mention. Within the US, gun-restrictive states have lower homicide rates than gun-permissive states. On a national level, gun-restrictive countries have lower homicide rates than gun-permissive ones. Yes, you will never fully prevent all criminals from arming themselves, but most are not James Moriarty, criminal geniuses both mentally and financially capable of evading arms control measures; most are your garden variety fuckups who wouldn't have the first clue on where to get a gun if they weren't fucking everywhere in the US. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>And I should mention grenades are illegal in Switzerland, but they have a stunningly large number of grenade attacks in recent years.</quote>There have been literally zero grenade attacks in Switzerland in recent years. This is, as you are so fond of putting it, fake news. Check your facts before posting garbage like this. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Per capita is a purposefully deceptive statistic that ignores gun ownership trends in nations.</quote>This is a hilarious deflection that ignores the entire point of the paragraph you carefully excised it from. The US has fewer restrictions than any other gun-friendly nation. You can define "gun-friendly" however you like and if you want to try and dither about per-capita, you're free to use any other metric you please, the comparison still holds true. America is one of the only countries in the world - and the only developed one, to my knowledge - where gun ownership is considered a right rather than a privilege and where there is, essentially, no universal check, licensure, or registration required to own a weapon. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Your statistic is based on the guns per overall population argument, which overlooks that gun ownership in the US is driven by collectors with many guns.</quote>Which ultimately doesn't make a difference, because there are so many guns in America that even if you want to define it exclusively by gun owners, you're still talking about an enormous percentage of the population. 30% of all US adults own a gun and 43% live in a household where at least one gun is present. I don't have the percentages for Switzerland, but there are only 2.3 million guns for 8.3 million people (7 million adults). Even if the guns were distributed perfectly evenly, that would equate to 32% of all Swiss adults owning a gun - basically the same as the US. When you factor in that collectors exist in Switzerland as well, the actual percentage of gun-owning adults in the country is almost assuredly lower than the US. Once again, check your facts. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Switzerland historically had one of the lowest rates of violence in the world up until recent years</quote>Switzerland also has much tighter regulations around guns than the US. Guns are only allowed for sport-shooting, hunting, or collecting, concealed carry is mostly banned, ammunition is restricted, permits are required for carrying the weapon in public and require both regular renewal and the passing of a test proving knowledge of the weapon and safe practices in its use, and transport of the weapon is heavily regulated and must only be done with a specific purpose in mind. If the US adopted the Swiss model, it would be a massive step in the right direction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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