Poll of the Day > Coronavirus Vacccine.

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If you could have a 95% approved vaccine next week or 100% approved vaccine early next year - which would you go for and why?

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what the fuck does 95% approved mean

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100% Anything less isn't safe.
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OniRonin posted...

what the fuck does 95% approved mean

Vaccines need to be properly certified and approved before they released.

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100% or gtfo.

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wwinterj25 posted...

100% or gtfo.

https://i.imgur.com/3dv1ft5.gif


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Lobomoon posted...

https://i.imgur.com/3dv1ft5.gif

I love that little scene.

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OniRonin posted...

what the fuck does 95% approved mean

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Vaccines are not 100% effective, the flu vaccine they give out every year reduces your chance of getting the flu by about 60% it still does very good work in reducing the total cases of the flu.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-vaccine-save-lives-100-effective-experts/story?id=72053274

Lobomoon posted...

Vaccines need to be properly certified and approved before they released.

this does not answer my question. how do you 95% approve a vaccine

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Monopoman posted...

Vaccines are not 100% effective

The TC is talking about a vaccine been safe to use. It's better to have a vaccine then no vaccine at all but it must be 100% safe.

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wwinterj25 posted...

The TC is talking about a vaccine been safe to use. It's better to have a vaccine then no vaccine at all but it must be 100% safe.

No vaccine is 100% safe though, even the ones we get. In a small % of people they can have adverse effects

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Ogurisama posted...

No vaccine is 100% safe though, even the ones we get. In a small % of people they can have adverse effects

Sure some folk can have unexpected reactions. However I'd still consider the flu jab 100% safe for most people. There will always be someone, somewhere that doesn't react well to anything but we are talking about in general here. All I know is this vaccine when they eventually make one needs to be tested a lot before I bother with it. I see no point in rushing one out the door that could cause more harm then good due to lack of testing.

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OniRonin posted...

this does not answer my question. how do you 95% approve a vaccine

Let's say international guidelines require 6 more months of human testing.

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The flu vaccine isn't even 100%, ok?

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Lobomoon posted...

Let's say international guidelines require 6 more months of human testing.

why does it take an extra year then. i would simply take the 95% approved vaccine and do 6 months of testing on it to have a 100% approved vaccine 6 months from now

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95%.

The exponential spread of COVID-19 dramatically outweighs any potential imperfect vaccine risks, particularly over the course of a full year.

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The typical approval time for any drug or vaccine is 3-5 years so if we get it within a year roughly we are talking about massive fast tracking on testing and making the drug.

Monopoman posted...

The typical approval time for any drug or vaccine is 3-5 years so if we get it within a year roughly we are talking about massive fast tracking on testing and making the drug.

it helps that a lot of companies are already manufacturing the vaccines currently in trials

that way if it ends up being deemed safe the ball is already rolling on production

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Dangerous vaccine now pls.

People who need it get a chance at life and there's nothing stopping better vaccines coming along later.
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Full approval or nothing. It's too much of a risk to have anyting less.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

95%.

The exponential spread of COVID-19 dramatically outweighs any potential imperfect vaccine risks, particularly over the course of a full year.

Death is definitely not an important risk at all.
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The bigger issue is that it potentially may not work as the virus mutates further given the massive infection rate, a problem that only increases the longer you wait to vaccinate. The flu was brought up several times and it's a good example because it's something that's mutated numerous times thanks to its high infection rate and the annual vaccination tends to just treat one major strain and, if they picked the wrong strain for that year, it's not going to be terribly effective.

And given the tremendous damage it's already done, can we really wait close to another year?

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Interestingly I think a vaccine that gave you the virus 5% of the time would increase your chances of getting it on the spot but also kill the virus on the spot nation wide assuming everyone cooperates and takes the vaccine, considering exactly no one would have it, and would also be immune to it after 14 days.

LMAO.

Idk. It probably wouldn't last long, but if doctors recommended it I would. It would have to be heavily enforced with heavy penalties, and it would have to be a free healthcare service, something the US struggles with.

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Monopoman posted...

The typical approval time for any drug or vaccine is 3-5 years so if we get it within a year roughly we are talking about massive fast tracking on testing and making the drug.

I've heard different things on this. Some say it takes a year or so while others say more. Sure the longer it takes the more safe it is but a year or so vaccine could save lifes or it could make the issues worse.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Dangerous vaccine now pls.

People who need it get a chance at life and there's nothing stopping better vaccines coming along later.

... that or it could make the problem worse.


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Revelation34 posted...

Death is definitely not an important risk at all.

how many people do you think die from vaccines

its waaaaaaaay less than the death rate of covid

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I'd be happiest with 95% next week AND 100% next year - that way, people who are in high-risk positions and willing to take the chance can opt-in early and start helping build herd immunity, while people who are less sure or who just want to hold off until they can get the best possible outcome can wait until the better option comes along.

The real problem is the fear that if we get a 95% option sooner, people will stop working on 100% options, so it's always going to be an either-or.



wwinterj25 posted...

Sure some folk can have unexpected reactions. However I'd still consider the flu jab 100% safe for most people.

That's not really what 100% means, though.

By definition, if something can cause adverse reactions in some people, and doesn't work for some people, then it is neither 100% effective nor 100% safe.

You can essentially say that, "Ehh, 99.99999% is close enough", but 100% implies a degree of safety and effectiveness to most people that no vaccine has ever really achieved.

That's the reason why most drugs today have the warning labels where they say "May cause..." with a seemingly endless list of symptoms. Because even if you only have a .0001% chance of adverse effects (1 in a million), there's still a chance. And it's better to know that you're dealing with something that COULD have negative consequences than simply assuming everything is perfectly fine and nothing could ever possibly go wrong (which is what a lot of people will assume if they hear 100%).
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95% approved so the economy can recovery.
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Mead posted...

how many people do you think die from vaccines

its waaaaaaaay less than the death rate of covid

Reminds me of when Penn Jillette asked whether the negative consequences of DDT (that led to it being banned) outweighed the number of deaths that occurred due to malaria, yellow fever, and other mosquito-borne diseases that occurred solely because people stopped using DDT.

He was being more hyperbolic and metaphorical than literal, but it raises a good point - a lot of human value-based choices boil down to deciding whether or not the negatives of doing something outweigh the negatives of not doing something. Even if those negatives aren't necessarily obvious or immediate.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'd be happiest with 95% next week AND 100% next year

Basically this...
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

That's not really what 100% means, though.

Then I guess we will never get one.

You can essentially say that, "Ehh, 99.99999% is close enough"

Go with that then if it helps you feel better. I'm not going to debate about 00.00001%.

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