Board 8 > Rating Every Fire Emblem Character: Day 3 - Marcus, Nino, Soren, Hilda

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kateee
07/05/20 9:40:21 PM
#1:


what to do with FE1/FE11, FE3/FE12, FE2/15 situations?










Everything subject to change for now.

Stuff:
- Ratings 1-10, no decimals. If you include a decimal, I will round down.
- We will do two ratings for each character character (CH) & unit (UN). They will be separate lists and you do not have to rate for both lists. Character rating is for design, personality, aesthetics, story, etc. and unit rating for everything gameplay related. If you only submit one rating and dont specify which, it will default to the character rating.
- You are free to rate any characters from past days or change your rating.
- Nominations for future characters are accepted. This does not guarantee your noms will be up for rating the next day but they will be moved up the queue for sooner rather than later.
- You obviously do not have to rate everything, just the ones you want.
- No regular schedule (e.g. Day 2 will not necessarily come ~24 hours after Day 1)

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lne8OQTQ7CwA5UXfzbD-Gsl34JuhamCU9oUgW85JC9w

Past Days:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xdaRcNoKXPEjPNuA8-lRIZtVEQXI-qOJyqO3HZgdC6A

CH:
1. Hector 8.417
2. Joshua 8.250
3. Sigurd 7.556
4. Lyn 7.154
5. Eliwood 5.750
6. Roy 5.750
7. Cordelia 5.750
8. Peri 3.182

UN:
1. Sigurd 10.000
2. Hector 8.286
3. Cordelia 7.900
4. Joshua 7.083
5. Lyn 5.733
6. Eliwood 5.071
7. Peri 4.625
8. Roy 3.818

Day 3: Marcus, Nino, Soren, Hilda

Marcus (7)

Paladin
Stats / Growths:
Lv: 1
HP: 31 / 65
STR/MAG: 16 / 30
SKL: 15 / 50
SPD: 11 / 25
LCK: 8 / 30
DEF: 10 / 15
RES: 8 / 35
CON: 11
AID: 14
MOV: 8

Nino (7)

Mage -> Sage
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Kenri
07/05/20 10:12:02 PM
#2:


Marcus CH 7
Nino CH 9
Soren CH 10
Hilda CH 6
Marcus UN 10
Nino UN 3
Soren UN 7
Hilda UN 7

Marcus is a solid advisor type character, though he never really has any spotlight moments (except in gameplay lol). Nino is part of FE7's best subplot and has great boss convos/supports. Soren gets some of the best character development in FE9 (though Jill does essentially the same development even better). Soren also plays really well off Titania when Ike asks the two of them for advice, giving pragmatic advice to counter Titania's heroism. Hilda is an amusing character but her gimmick definitely starts to get old by the end of 3H.

Marcus is probably the best FE7 unit, with amazing bases, decent growths, the game's best class, and great availability. There's basically nothing he can't do for the first 70% of the game and he can still contribute even in the final chapter (though you'll definitely want to have better characters by then). Nino is kind of the opposite, requiring a lot of investment to catch her up to the rest of your party. If you put in the time, she'll be the game's best magic user, but it's really only worth it if you particularly like her. Soren is your standard early game mage and there's not much more that needs to be said about him. He's solid. I don't have a great handle on the 3H meta but my understanding is that Leonie can do most of what Hilda does but slightly better. That being said, my experience with Hilda is that she turns any enemy she touches into paste with minimal investment. There are definitely worse units you could use!

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SSBM_Guy
07/05/20 10:55:39 PM
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Sigurd being a 10 is perfect.

Form:
Marcus CH 5
Nino CH 7
Soren CH 10
Hilda CH 6
Marcus UN 10
Nino UN 3
Soren UN 8
Hilda UN 7

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Panthera
07/05/20 11:05:12 PM
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Marcus CH 5
Nino CH 5
Soren CH 7
Hilda CH 6

Don't hugely care for any of these people but I don't dislike any of them.

Marcus UN 10
Nino UN 1
Soren UN 7
Hilda UN 7

Marcus is the best unit in FE7 and top ten in the series. Stupid good bases in a great class with just enough speed long term to be pretty fine due to FE7 enemies being slow. He dominates a third of the game beyond belief, is great for another third or so, and remains good beyond that up until the final two chapters where he finally "falls off". Nino...is the type of unit that always sucks, terrible bases and nothing special about her even if trained besides modest stat leads over similar units that won't even really exist because she'll always be underleveled compared to them. Soren is pretty solid but has a bit of a rough start and being a frail foot unit can be ugly in a very horse-and-enemy-phase heavy game, though he does get staff utility and can promote early enough for it to be nice. Hilda is fine I guess, TH units are kind of hard to rate I find.

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Hbthebattle
07/05/20 11:19:57 PM
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Marcus CH 5
Marcus UN - 10

Nino CH - 8
Nino CH - 1

Soren CH 7
Soren UN - 7

Hilda CH 8
Hilda UN 9
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BetrayedTangy
07/05/20 11:37:23 PM
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Soren CH 9
Soren UN 7

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Alanna82
07/05/20 11:41:58 PM
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Soren CH 10
Hilda CH 9
Marcus UN 7 (I really think Marcus is so over rated. Even on normal he gets doubled at end game. IMHO)
Nino UN 5 (can be good if raised.)
Soren UN 8
Hilda UN 8

yeah, people say personal experience means nothing, but this is how they played out for me.

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Panthera
07/05/20 11:49:53 PM
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Marcus literally doesn't get doubled by the vast majority of non-boss enemies on HHM at base level since very few enemies hit 15+ AS (basically only Heroes, Valkyries, Swordmasters and Nomad Troopers, none of which are very common). He will generally have 14 AS, possibly 15, by chapter 32, which doubles way more than it gets doubled by.

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Alanna82
07/05/20 11:50:40 PM
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Marcus has base 11 speed. Did I remember wrong? Let me check Edit: where are you getting base 15 from? Serenes forest says base 11.

Oh, 15 doubles 11. Derp. Most end game enemies double him though. He caused many many resets there the one time I tried using him and giving him a chance. I rate based on potential for endgame too.

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Panthera
07/05/20 11:52:24 PM
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Yes? 11 base speed requires 15 AS to double, which is not common on enemies even in chapter 32. And obviously assuming base level at that point in the game on Marcus of all people is a hilarious sandbag, I'm just pointing it out because it shows that no amount of personal experience can actually make him get doubled by a particularly large amount of late game generics because his base doesn't allow for it.

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Alanna82
07/05/20 11:59:15 PM
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*shrug* At least final chapter he gets doubled by most enemies. (assuming max level 15 average speed Marcus)

I think it was Lloyd or Linus that took him out so many times. I also held him back a lot to have my other units gain experience, since he tends to only gain one exp. Also Sain and Kent exist. (Unlike Seth where his stats are on par with Franz and Forde)

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Panthera
07/06/20 12:05:29 AM
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The final chapter is one of the three-ish maps in the entire game he's not good on, and only a few units matter there (and there's basically no unit in the game that ever wants to face an attack from Lloyd without Swordslayer + Iron Rune, and even then most still would prefer he be dealt with some other way). If he's not that good because of that then everyone else in the game must be utter trash because they all have far more maps where they're worse than him by much larger margins than he's worse than them on those few maps.

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Panthera
07/06/20 12:09:03 AM
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Alanna82 posted...
To me why bother with Marcus who starts better when Sain and Kent end better and can level in Lyn mode.

Because it's not even a choice! Marcus exists before they rejoin, and is still quite a bit better than them when they do. He's also better than everyone else for ages. You can very easily deploy all three, and if you played Lyn Mode so those two are at a higher level than their default Hector Mode level, you should because they're basically your three best units for a while. Using Marcus doesn't actually hurt you in the long run, it just makes the game easier during the stretch where he's good...which is almost all of it.

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Alanna82
07/06/20 12:11:34 AM
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I also tend to play turtle style, unlike most FE7 players. I've had way too many cases of someone going ahead, getting hit by 4 or 5 enemies and dying. I don't play for ranking. Since I play slower, my other units "catch up" to Marcus, who is usually being a ferry. (that might be why he is being doubled on normal.)

If you want to discard my vote go ahead. I just don't think he should have the same score as Sigurd.

And using Marcus DID hurt me in the long run since he hogged EXP that could have gone to make other units more survivable. When I didn't use Marcus, those units were much higher level and I had a more versatile team! If I play turtle, even units like Rebecca that everyone hates I found useful.

I know I beat the game 10 times and used Marcus twice. The first time was the really bad time. The second time, he did do much better but was still not as good as like Hector.

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Panthera
07/06/20 12:15:08 AM
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I'm not saying to discard your vote or anything because that would be silly (also don't think he's as good as Sigurd, but if the criteria for a 10 is "as good as Sigurd" then we might as well not have the number 10 allowed), just arguing why I think he's so good. Back when I did a FE write up topic a while ago I ended up writing like two full posts on why Marcus is great, it's a subject I tend to get invested in discussing <_<

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Alanna82
07/06/20 12:20:36 AM
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I also find the early maps easier than the later ones on FE7. So "gaining levels for later" is how I play. The first time I used Marcus I used basically all pre promoted units because I was actually trying to go fast and save funds on promotion items. My exp went from 4 stars to 2 at the last level. Still only got a B. So I never played that way again. Not fun to speed run for me.

But yes, Change Marcus to an 8. (Also, no one from FE7 gets a 10 from me. I think I gave Hector a 9.)

Honestly pre promotes were under rated when the game first came out. Vaida and Pent are great. Harken and Karel too. I just felt underwhelmed from a supposed "best in game" unit.

Edit: Soren's growths arn't in the main post. Just decided to edit this one instead of hogging this topic with posts.

Edit edit: I gave Hector a 10. Change that to a 9.

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kateee
07/06/20 1:19:39 AM
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Alanna82 posted...
Soren's growths arn't in the main post
whoops i goofed
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kateee
07/06/20 1:22:08 AM
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can't edit op orz

Soren (9)
Mage -> Sage
Stats / Growths:
Lv: 1
HP: 18 / 45
STR/MAG: 0/6 | 5/60
SKL: 8 / 55
SPD: 8 / 40
LCK: 5 / 30
DEF: 2 / 15
RES: 7 / 55
CON: 6
WT: 6
MOV: 5
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Raka_Putra
07/06/20 8:42:31 AM
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Marcus CH 4
Nino CH 7
Soren CH 5
Hilda CH 8
Marcus UN 7
Nino UN 7
Soren UN 7
Hilda UN 8

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Cybat
07/06/20 10:33:23 AM
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Marcus CH 5
Nino CH 9
Soren CH 9
Hilda CH 8
Marcus UN 8
Nino UN 6
Soren UN 7
Hilda UN 8

Wonder if anyone else can get a perfect 10. Ryoma probably.


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MysteriousStan
07/06/20 11:25:56 AM
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Marcus CH 5
Nino CH 8
Soren CH 10
Marcus UN 7
Nino UN 4
Soren UN 8

I haven't finished Golden Deer yet and didn't recruit Hilda in my Blue Lions run so I feel my grade for her would be incomplete. Not super impressed with her character so far but she seems pretty good as a unit would be my take so far.
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Hbthebattle
07/06/20 11:49:46 AM
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Raka_Putra posted...
Marcus UN 7
Nino UN 7

What
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Evillordexdeath
07/06/20 1:52:57 PM
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Marcus CH 7
Nino CH 8
Soren CH 9
Hilda CH 5
Marcus UN 10
Nino UN 2
Soren UN 9
Hilda UN 7

Marcus is a slight step down from Sigurd, or even the likes of Seth, Titania, and FE10 Haar, but he's definitely the most useful character in FE10. He destroys absolutely everything for a long time after he joins, and the only real difficulty he'll ever come across is some trouble doubling later on with his low speed growth. I usually like the Jeigan-style characters in terms of personality and while Marcus is one of the less interesting ones he's still no exception.

Nino just isn't worth it. The amount of slow paced EXP feeding that it takes her to catch up with someone like Pent, for example, is hard to overstate - not to mention that the reward for getting her there is a sage with E staves. Once she finally is trained up, you only have a couple maps left to even make use of her! I do think her characterization is solid, with some touching moments based around her and a good dynamic with the more cynical Jaffar.

Soren is actually really good in Path of Radiance. After a slow start he becomes a speedy high magic Sage who can make great use of Physic staves for extra utility. PoR has strong character writing in general and Soren is pretty interesting with a good relationship with Ike and a personal story that relates to the overall themes of the game.

Hilda is solid with a strong stat spread, reasonably good personal skill, and axe proficiency to help her access some of the important classes. Her personality relies a bit too heavily on a single shtick for me to really like her.

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kateee
07/06/20 5:08:46 PM
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Evillordexdeath posted...
sage with E staves
this is a pretty big knock against her for me since Pent comes 2 or 3 chapters earlier with an A rank (i thought Physic was C, turns out it's B which makes it even worse) and you could have any one of Erk/Serra/Lucius trained/promoted at this point

join chapter can be really annoying too

Nino CH - 8
Nino UN - 3
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kateee
07/06/20 10:20:50 PM
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