Current Events > Guys, I'm just gonna say it. I think the protests caused a spike in rona cases

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First off, I % support the protests against police brutality and for Black Lives Matter. In fact, I think it's long overdue. So I certainly find this a cause worth protesting and worth the risk.

That said, I have seen people saying that the protests did not cause a spike in the rona. I can't understand this logic. I have heard some say it's because protestors are wearing masks and social distancing. While some maybe, from the news reports it doesn't seem like everyone is.

I honestly think this has cause a rise in cases, but news reporters either are frightened or straight up don't want to link the protests and the rise in cases. It's unfortunate because it creates a political bias in the news, which I think there should not be. The news should be the news: facts without bias. I'm coming to realize more and more that just isn't the case. The news we receive today is heavy influenced by political and media bias.

Black Lives matter founders and leaders are admitted Marxists. I do not support that.

I've been saying it. Its common sense.

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*shrug* All I can do is link this study.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

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It's pretty logical that protests, groups of people getting close to each other for extended periods of time, will transmit disease to each other.
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nice going

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We can't be certain about anything this fast and contact tracing protests is very tough. Among other issues.

https://wapo.st/2YVEbaA

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2020/6/23/21299241/contact-tracing-covid-distrust-black-americans

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I would assume in some place it did contribute significantly to the spread but as an Arizonan, our protests for BLM were not terribly large, and did not stretch for days/weeks like protests have in other places.

Despite that reduced amount of protest activity our terrible state managed to rapidly spread Covid to tens of thousands of people over the course of June. While some of those could have been due to the handful of BLM protests in Tucson and the Phoenix metro area, the vast majority of those new infections were probably tied to our state not implementing adequate protection plans, such as not closing fully or for long enough, and not requiring and certainly not enforcing face mask usage regularly.

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Well duh

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Why hasn't there been one in NY, Boston, or Minneapolis? Seattle? Why, if the spike is a product of protests, are the spikes occurring most prominently in the southern part of the country, regardless of whether those localities had protests or not?
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Studies have shown otherwise.

At least in comparison to the number of dumbfucks out there partying and drinking.

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KyoryuCyan posted...

Studies have shown otherwise.

At least in comparison to the number of dumbfucks out there partying and drinking.

I think they are straight up wrong and have an agenda.

All it takes is literally 1 person getting affect at those prostest and a bunch of people can now be infected.

Yes, BLM, but let's not lie to ourselves and act like people did coronavirus from the protest.

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I think they are straight up wrong and have an agenda.

whelp

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Ararararagi posted...

*shrug* All I can do is link this study.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

This should've shut down this thread but people will insist on trusting their feelings over facts.

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I doubt it. Its from the states that opened too early and listened to Trump

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How many times are you gonna post this shit TC?

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Hornezz posted...

This should've shut down this thread but people will insist on trusting their feelings over facts.

Large gatherings of people help spread the virus.

The protest was a large gathering. That's not my fucking feelings thats facts.

That duumbass cop killed Floyd but has also indirectly killed others.

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I'm sure it didn't help things, but the major spikes are obviously from opening up. What the protests likely did was allow for farther spread due to people from various areas coming together. Both likely hurt things, but opening was worse.

Antifar posted...

Why hasn't there been one in NY, Boston, or Minneapolis? Seattle? Why, if the spike is a product of protests, are the spikes occurring most prominently in the southern part of the country, regardless of whether those localities had protests or not?

No one said it's a blanket statement sorta deal.

Some could have been caused by it, some could have not. Make sense?
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Then wed better keep quoting it.

Ararararagi posted...

*shrug* All I can do is link this study.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

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Probably, it's a contagious virus that spreads when people are in close proximity. And with 1.5 million active cases in the US just now, you'd only need 150 people in a group for a >50% chance that one has it.

Though, even with a reasonable spread of infection in the protests themselves, they wouldn't cause a noticeable spike right away, besides maybe slightly slowing a downward trend. But long term, if say only two people at a protest infect another ten, that's ten new branches of infection that could have been avoided, particularly if the same people are visiting multiple protests.

Patty_Fleur posted...

Large gatherings of people help spread the virus.

The protest was a large gathering. That's not my fucking feelings thats facts.

That duumbass cop killed Floyd but has also indirectly killed others.

No evidence has been posted so far, only evidence of the contrary. You choose to disregard it because you don't feel it's right.

Science doesn't care for your 'common sense'-argument, not when the facts disagree. For the longest time a flat Earth was common sense.

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Hornezz posted...

No evidence has been posted so far, only evidence of the contrary. You choose to disregard it because you don't feel it's right.

Science doesn't care for your 'common sense'-argument, not when the facts disagree. For the longest time a flat Earth was common sense.

Do you not understand the current political climate? Anybody who says the blm protest helped spread the virus is getting canceled. Scientists are just humans too.

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How many people do you guys think participated in the protests vs how many have been gathering in restaurants, bars, gyms, churches, etc since states reopened?

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Patty_Fleur posted...

Do you not understand the current political climate? Anybody who says the blm protest helped spread the virus is getting canceled. Scientists are just humans too.

Can you name some virologists or epidemiologists who have been 'cancelled' over this?

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Why are yall acting like no one got infected during protest? You really think that?

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Patty_Fleur posted...

Why are yall acting like no one got infected during protest? You really think that?

Nope

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Ararararagi posted...

Nope

Then the protest helped contribute to the spike. How much doesn't really matter when the virus spreads exponentially.

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Most people at protests wear masks. The conservative states don't believe in them

Patty_Fleur posted...

Why are yall acting like no one got infected during protest? You really think that?

Yes

You can't get infected at a BLM protest. In fact you are helping to stop the spread by doing so. You can only catch covid at a lockdown protest or a trump rally

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badwinkles posted...

Yes

You can't get infected at a BLM protest. In fact you help stop the spread
You can only catch covid at a lockdown protest or a trump rally

Oh I didn't know that. Everything makes sense now.

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Patty_Fleur posted...

Then the protest helped contribute to the spike. How much doesn't really matter when the virus spreads exponentially.

Fucks sake. Science says Im wrong, bu.... bu... bu... muh feels!

Youre contributing to the spread every time you go get your Big Mac meal.

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meralonne posted...

Fucks sake. Science says Im wrong, bu.... bu... bu... muh feels!

Youre contributing to the spread every time you go get your Big Mac meal.

Or every time you get in extremely close proximity during the hottest season of the year with people for hours at a time.

What sounds more likely to get you sick? Using a drive thru, or protesting?
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Read the title of this topic.
Now read the scientific study on the protests.
Do you understand?

This is a thinly veiled attempt to shift blame. Meanwhile, fucking idiots are going to parties in Alabama and placing bets on who gets Covid first. But lets blame BLM for case spikes.

SMFH

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Probably a contributing factor but keep in mind most of the protests were outside and people were wearing masks & other face coverings.

Its a lot more easier to spread in indoor settings because the air just circulates inside and most places have been re-opened for a while now and not taking as many precautions as they should.

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Slayer_22 posted...

Or every time you get in extremely close proximity during the hottest season of the year with people for hours at a time.

What sounds more likely to get you sick? Using a drive thru, or protesting?

a better comparison for the protests would be people crowding into indoor bars and restaurants, not a drive through.


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FursonaNonGrata posted...

a better comparison for the protests would be people crowding into indoor bars and restaurants, not a drive through.

He mentioned big mac meal, I just assumed drive thru.
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Ararararagi posted...

*shrug* All I can do is link this study.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

You got a tl;dr on that, chief?

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Antifar posted...

Why hasn't there been one in NY, Boston, or Minneapolis? Seattle? Why, if the spike is a product of protests, are the spikes occurring most prominently in the southern part of the country, regardless of whether those localities had protests or not?

shhhh trump and joe Rogan cant logically figure this out, so they dont have an answer

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Swear to god, mod team needs some training on identifying dog whistles cuz this topic is all sorts of dog whistles

Bullet_Wing posted...

Using logic? On Trump supporters? Insanity

You all should come down to the south and see stuff for yourselves instead of just basing everything on your bias.

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Interesting how the places with the highest number of protests aren't the places with the highest number of cases. You'd think they would be correlated if TC was correct.

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Ararararagi posted...

*shrug* All I can do is link this study.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

To be fair, not one of those in the study are infectious disease experts. They study economics.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

The data that the New York Times constantly updates does support the notion that the number of cases peaked on April 9th, and began a gradual decline until the end of May, when the mass gatherings began to start. People standing close to each other, yelling and breathing in each other's air. Then you can see that from about 1-2 weeks after the end of May into the middle of June (the time the virus needs to incubate) you start seeing cases amplify all over the country, not just in the current hot spots like Texas or Florida. And a lot of those spikes are states where there were protests. They have charts and maps for the individual states as well. Meanwhile, the number of deaths is rapidly decreasing from our peak of ~2700 in mid-April to current around ~700 per day.

You also have to take into consideration that if more people get tested, more cases will show up. Which is common sense.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

You all should come down to the south and see stuff for yourselves instead of just basing everything on your bias.

exactly, lets just ignore the packed/no masked Jason Aldean cowboy bars on broadway in Nashville Tn

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obviously a protest couldn't help spread this thing

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