Current Events > Guys, I'm just gonna say it. I think the protests caused a spike in rona cases

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"There's no evidence to suggest significant spikes resulting from protests" vs "of course there was, it's obvious!"
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Antifar posted...

"There's no evidence to suggest significant spikes resulting from protests" vs "of course there was, it's obvious!"

Hey don't forget the follow-up of "Stop saying the protests caused zero cases", a thing that no one is doing.

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*skims the topic* Wow, its sad that there actual deniers lol

Logic just goes out the windows for them on certain issues huh?

Slayer_22 posted...

No one said it's a blanket statement sorta deal.

Some could have been caused by it, some could have not. Make sense?

Ah yes, what a coincidence that the spikes were only caused by the protests in places with high amounts of repubs not taking the virus seriously

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Why did everyone ignore the links I posted explaining that even experts aren't sure? It consolidates all the other studies and has several experts chiming in and also explaining several things like how contact tracing is difficult. Also the problem with contact tracing in the very community that's protesting.

On here, everybody seems definitive in their opinion one way or the other. Some of you are starting to sound like DeSantis in April. "Nothing points to us becoming the next Italy or NYC"

*2 months later*

If you look at Florida and Texas, they started reopening by the end of April into May.

Major spikes started 2 weeks ago. The virus arrived in NYC in January. It didn't started getting out of control till April. There's a lag and I suspect it retuning to NY eventually. It has already been upgraded back to yellow from green since yesterday.

It'll take a few months to have better data. There's been a 100% flip flop on everything right now, so anybody taking a side is being disingenuous.

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CyricZ posted...

So arguments for protests spiking case numbers are as follows:
1. What if people are lying.
2. What if people are just shit.

I'm a scientist and...

Knowing what we know about COVID's incubation period, if there was going to be a spike of cases following the protests, the spike would have happened by now. The maximum time of symptom onset of the illness is 14 days and protests started at the beginning of June, a full month ago. Those numbers don't favor your argument.

Its common knowledge that we don't know shit about the virus and that 14 day incubation period might have been true then but who says its true now? We don't know. There are links out there that say that the virus is weaker as far as damage done but spreads more rapidly and if thats the case. The info that we had before is null and void because it changed somehow. I'm not going to argue with a scientist but im not going to listen to how people think the protests have zero effect on the widespread of this virus. It takes one person to go to a protest that is infected and you know how it works after that.

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BudDupree48 posted...

. It takes one person to go to a protest that is infected and you know how it works after that.

You don't know how it goes if they're wearing masks, as protesters almost universally were

https://apnews.com/ae9f6976abdf5442f4d1c998808a54ba
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shockthemonkey posted...

lmao just flailing around saying nu uh

Nah that was actually a pretty good, logical explanation even for you and others have said that the data keeps changing. The numbers keep changing. The "scientists" still aren't sure. Open your eyes. Or don't and remain ignorant. It doesn't bother me

I'm done here. Atleast everyone isn't lost

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kyujo posted...

Another brave scientist cancelled

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BudDupree48 posted...

The "scientists" still aren't sure.

Science is never sure.

This is a big thing that people with bad intentions latch on to. But it's the intrinsic nature of science.

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BudDupree48 posted...

Its common knowledge that we don't know shit about the virus and that 14 day incubation period might have been true then but who says its true now?

We are learning more about the virus every day with people working their asses off to get this information, so you can cram your "we don't know shit" comment directly where the sun don't shine.

im not going to listen to how people think the protests have zero effect on the widespread of this virus.

Not a single person in this topic has said this, despite what you and others are claiming.

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BudDupree48 posted...

Nah that was actually a pretty good, logical explanation even for you and others have said that the data keeps changing. The numbers keep changing. The "scientists" still aren't sure. Open your eyes. Or don't and remain ignorant. It doesn't bother me

I'm done here. Atleast everyone isn't lost

agree with my sourceless and dataless claims or remain ignorant idc

i just cut myself on the edge

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Also there is reason to believe the virus doesn't spread as well outdoors. Jacksonville famously reopened it's beaches in mid-April, and a lot of people looked at the photos of that crowd with dread. But Florida's spike didn't come for another two months, after bars and restaurants were opened.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/18/hundreds-flood-florida-beach-as-florida-reopens-some-parks/

On Memorial Day weekend, everybody freaked about that pool in Missouri. But when the tests came in...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/no-new-coronavirus-cases-lake-of-the-ozarks-pool-parties
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I'm really glad this argument is a US thing compared to life up here.

It's like watching 2 religious groups going to bat with tangential evidence about which of their deities is the best.

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I guess my topic asking why we had spikes stopped getting enough posts so TC started his own topic to troll

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Kildread posted...

I'm really glad this argument is a US thing compared to life up here.

It's like watching 2 religious groups going to bat with tangential evidence about which of their deities is the best.

Our political parties basically are religious groups at this point. It was bound to happen when you only have two major parties and when the majority of people cant think for themselves. Not sure why its so hard to understand that neither party has the peoples best interest at heart.

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Good job tc

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archedsoul posted...

Why did everyone ignore the links I posted explaining that even experts aren't sure? It consolidates all the other studies and has several experts chiming in and also explaining several things like how contact tracing is difficult. Also the problem with contact tracing in the very community that's protesting.

On here, everybody seems definitive in their opinion one way or the other. Some of you are starting to sound like DeSantis in April. "Nothing points to us becoming the next Italy or NYC"

*2 months later*

If you look at Florida and Texas, they started reopening by the end of April into May.

Major spikes started 2 weeks ago. The virus arrived in NYC in January. It didn't started getting out of control till April. There's a lag and I suspect it retuning to NY eventually. It has already been upgraded back to yellow from green since yesterday.

It'll take a few months to have better data. There's been a 100% flip flop on everything right now, so anybody taking a side is being disingenuous.

I mean, by the time we have that data, it'll be easy to see if the NY predictions are right. But this isn't a bad take.

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BudDupree48 posted...

You mean all the sources that keeps changing? Nah couldn't be those

Which of those sources changed?
Also, you stated contact tracing doesn't work - do you have a source that proves this or just a "gut feeling"?

Ruvan22 posted...

Which of those sources changed?
Also, you stated contact tracing doesn't work - do you have a source that proves this or just a "gut feeling"?

These are the people we're up against

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It didn't help I'm sure. We just need to stop gathering close together for at least the rest of the year and just fucking deal with it. Bunch of goddamn petulant children in America

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Im just glad the virus doesnt affect the protesters

it allows me to maintain my righteousness easier than if it did

nemu posted...

I'm sure it didn't help things, but the major spikes are obviously from opening up. What the protests likely did was allow for farther spread due to people from various areas coming together. Both likely hurt things, but opening was worse.

This. No pointing fingers and besides, places opened up long before protests and that's a fact.


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Romes187 posted...

Im just glad the virus doesnt affect the protesters

it allows me to maintain my righteousness easier than if it did

Lol

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BudDupree48 posted...

Lol

I thought you said you were done here?

My post was too funny sorry bruh

Teenman posted...

Our political parties basically are religious groups at this point. It was bound to happen when you only have two major parties and when the majority of people cant think for themselves. Not sure why its so hard to understand that neither party has the peoples best interest at heart.

Everyone's too busy trying to paint 'the other' as the stupidest one of the bunch.

This thread is chockful of zealotry --- most of them on the subject are and it's rarely different people.

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Let this topic be a reminder that many of the conservatives and centrists posting here don't care about facts, science, logic, or reason at all. They are nothing more than convenient tools to use against strawman versions of liberals and leftists. The strategy of appealing to science is about making their opponents look unreasonable, it has nothing to do with the facts. As soon as all actual evidence goes against them, they'll switch to making unfalsifiable claims about scientists lying, being biased, scared, or being lied to by others. And if that doesn't work, they'll fall back to "common sense" and "it's just gotta be true." And when that doesn't work, they'll just fall back to saying you're biased or say that you believe the disease magically doesn't affect those with the right political views.

The actual evidence supports the idea that if you're outside, with high mask usage, the virus doesn't spread easily. It basically has a hard time spreading outside in general. The super spreader events we've seen have almost all been from indoor locations like bars, conferences, and work places. And this applies regardless of the reason people are outside. There haven't been super spreading events from the beach pictures everyone (including me) freaked out about. There haven't been events from the pool pictures that I crapped all over people for attending. And there haven't even been super spreading events that I'm aware of from the anti-mask/shutdown protests and I think those are the stupidest, most counterproductive things I've ever seen. So if I can admit what's going on here, why can't all of you?

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You think wrong. The police and right wing people caused a spike in them, but the protestors themselves were generally wearing masks and distancing where they could.

I skipped to the end of this topic. What's the tl;Dr?

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Mezcla posted...

I skipped to the end of this topic. What's the tl;Dr?

RadiantAdolin posted...

You think wrong. The police and right wing people caused a spike in them, but the protestors themselves were generally wearing masks and distancing where they could.

Mezcla posted...

I skipped to the end of this topic. What's the tl;Dr?

Tl;dr

I definitely have breast cancer.
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Im just glad the virus doesnt affect the protesters

it allows me to maintain my righteousness easier than if it did

legendary_zell posted...

Let this topic be a reminder that many of the conservatives and centrists posting here don't care about facts, science, logic, or reason at all. They are nothing more than convenient tools to use against strawman versions of liberals and leftists. The strategy of appealing to science is about making their opponents look unreasonable, it has nothing to do with the facts. As soon as all actual evidence goes against them, they'll switch to making unfalsifiable claims about scientists lying, being biased, scared, or being lied to by others. And if that doesn't work, they'll fall back to "common sense" and "it's just gotta be true." And when that doesn't work, they'll just fall back to saying you're biased or say that you believe the disease magically doesn't affect those with the right political views.

The actual evidence supports the idea that if you're outside, with high mask usage, the virus doesn't spread easily. It basically has a hard time spreading outside in general. The super spreader events we've seen have almost all been from indoor locations like bars, conferences, and work places. And this applies regardless of the reason people are outside. There haven't been super spreading events from the beach pictures everyone (including me) freaked out about. There haven't been events from the pool pictures that I crapped all over people for attending. And there haven't even been super spreading events that I'm aware of from the anti-mask/shutdown protests and I think those are the stupidest, most counterproductive things I've ever seen. So if I can admit what's going on here, why can't all of you?

The right has done an insanely good job convincing their followers not to believe in science


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Mezcla posted...

I skipped to the end of this topic. What's the tl;Dr?

"The protests helped spread covid."

"No they did not, here are some links."

"This evidence is dubious."

"No, it's not, you're dumb --- here, have a picture stereotyping your presumed side."

"Why does no one listen to FACTS and LOGIC?!?"

TL;DR, no one really knows, majority seem content to hunt down confirmation bias on the internet and use it as irrefutable proof.


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Kildread posted...

"The protests helped spread covid."

"No they did not, here are some links."

"This evidence is dubious."

"No, it's not, you're dumb --- here, have a picture stereotyping your presumed side."

"Why does no one listen to FACTS and LOGIC?!?"

TL;DR, no one really knows, majority seem content to hunt down confirmation bias on the internet and use it as irrefutable proof.

Prolly the least biased tl;dr anyone will get.

Now where are the heavily biased ones?
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Kildread posted...

no one really knows,

No, we definitely do know protestors didn't cause a spike.

RadiantAdolin posted...

No, we definitely do know protestors didn't cause a spike.

There it is!
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Slayer_22 posted...

Prolly the least biased tl;dr anyone will get.

Now where are the heavily biased ones?

Give it a bit, they'll come.

RadiantAdolin posted...

No, we definitely do know protestors didn't cause a spike.

I did mention zealotry earlier...


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helping spread a brutal virus that disproportionately affects black people to own the cops

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Slayer_22 posted...

There it is!

Yup, there's the fact

Yeah all the pics I saw of protestors were that they were handing out masks and everything.

I do remember seeing Trump rallies with no masks and then I heard about Herman cain. Oops

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ledbowman posted...

helping spread a brutal virus that disproportionately affects black people to own the cops

When did you shift to pure shitposting?

Don't seem to remember you being like this.

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RadiantAdolin posted...

Yup, there's the fact

No, there's the heavily biased response I was expecting.
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Slayer_22 posted...

No, there's the heavily biased response I was expecting.

Not biased, just correct

Protestors were mostly using masks, and distancing where they could. Any spikes from protests came from police and right wing extremists, both of which refused masks.

COVxy posted...

When did you shift to pure shitposting?

Don't seem to remember you being like this.

the shift was you covxy ole boy

too much time spent in those halls of academia, not enough time going outside, getting a girlfriend, having a life, etc lmbo

RadiantAdolin posted...

Not biased, just correct

Protestors were mostly using masks, and distancing where they could. Any spikes from protests came from police and right wing extremists, both of which refused masks.

Did you read the discussion/conclusions sections of the posted studies? There are too many variables to control for to definitively state whether there was an impact, and if there was how much of an impact.

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refmon posted...

It would be career suicide for any scientist. Why do people keep forgetting this?

If a scientist faked a study to make protests look bad, conservative pigs would feed them for the rest of their life.

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