Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 309: Putin a lifetime bounty

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Everyone at that age thinks that THEY know how to make it work
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Alternately, it clearly worked ON HIM
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Lol my self-proclaimed leftist cousin posts on Facebook today "I would like a list of how many historical statues the US has toppled in other countries. I remember seeing them pulling down a Saddam one myself".

I post "there was another country that destroyed their history in a pretty famous time of their history. Called the Cultural Revolution of China. I am sure that will tickle your leftist fancies"

He responds "get stupid whataboutism the fuck out of here"...

Haha. His literal initial post is a whataboutism. Lmfao.

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https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/explosion-heard-at-a-power-plant-in-ahvaz-iran-633841

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https://twitter.com/USAbrandsbiz/status/1279525711225786368

I honestly can't think of any politician in the country who is more universally hated right now.

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test

not that many posts

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If you ever wanted to see how disingenuous the media is...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-protesters-seattle-seriously-injured-when-hit-car-closed-highway-n1232907

Now every article regarding police immediately has races mentioned almost immediately. I checked like 5 sources and none of them mention races on this.

So... A white jaguar on an interstate barreled into protestors yesterday. The protestors were illegally shutting down the interstate. The white jaguar basically does not slow down at all but does swerve to try and avoid protestors into another group in the middle of the road. They go flying. (There is video of them getting hit from afar and a girl who got hit having video from herself also).

The man drove for an undetermined amount of time but did stop. A protestor tried to pull him out of the car while others shot bullets at him. He then drove off.

The two protestors hit were white women at the BLM illegal protest. The driver was a black man.

Two white women protesting that BLM illegally will likely end up sending a black man to jail likely for years.

= /

Media of course that is so quick to cause race issues pointing out race is not reporting races here because it goes against narrative. Dishonest media.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Kaepernick7/status/1279463720318570497

You know what's weird is that somehow people argue that Kaepernick wasn't anti-America all the time. I mean, I was pretty positive very early on that they asked why he was doing what he was doing during the anthem and he said because the country was against them in some fashion. I forget the exact quote.

It is hard to argue the Kaepernick is not purposely disrespecting the flag and our country with his words themself.

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https://twitter.com/katiejmbaker/status/1279392894512705537

Buzzfeed seems to unironically believe that every meal you eat causes four people to die from COVID. How this doesn't result in the prompt extinction of the human race is not quite explained...

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It's incredible you made a post trying to call out reporting for being disingenuous then make a post making it blatantly clear you've never even made the slightest effort in understanding Kaepernick's intent despite posting constantly about it for literal years.


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SmartMuffin posted...

https://twitter.com/katiejmbaker/status/1279392894512705537

Buzzfeed seems to unironically believe that every meal you eat causes four people to die from COVID. How this doesn't result in the prompt extinction of the human race is not quite explained...

It's a dumb article, but obviously the 4 people who died for your plate would have been part of a mass production and also died for the others plate also. Noy 4 per. But 4 for.

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CoolCly posted...

It's incredible you made a post trying to call out reporting for being disingenuous then make a post making it blatantly clear you've never even made the slightest effort in understanding Kaepernick's intent despite posting constantly about it for literal years.

So you agree about media's narrative spinning and agree Kaepernick is full of shit? Like, what's you goal in this post?

He literally called celebrating the 4th of July as a white supremacist celebration.

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The medias job is to spin narratives

America was indeed founded on white supremacy
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Jakyl25 posted...

The medias job is to spin narratives

America was indeed founded on white supremacy

You aren't American, but I highly doubt many Americans feel the 4th of July is a white supremacist celebration.

https://i.imgur.com/ev2iJWp.jpg

Lol.


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Im American by citizenship because of the circumstances of my birth, though, like most of us
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Also why does it matter what many people feel?

If you want to argue that Kaepernick is full of shit, youre gonna have to bring better stuff than 9 years ago he celebrated the 4th of July and now he doesnt.

Was he kneeling during the anthem before then? Then you might have an argument that he was a hypocrite.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also why does it matter what many people feel?

If you want to argue that Kaepernick is full of shit, youre gonna have to bring better stuff than 9 years ago he celebrated the 4th of July and now he doesnt.

Was he kneeling during the anthem before then? Then you might have an argument that he was a hypocrite.

That's not the argument at all. The argument that he isn't anti-America or had intent to disrespect the flag is bullshit because he is literally disrespecting the independence day of our nation and calling those who celebrate it as celebrating white supremacy. That's case closed on it. No coming back from that.

The cause of taking a knee for police brutality/systemic racism is fine. (I think it is disrespectful to do during the anthem though). But, the argument has always been Colin himself wasn't disrespecting the flag and our nation by doing what he was doing. Yet, his words today make it painfully clear what his intent has always been.

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https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1279555471750254592?s=21

Low energy Trump! Sleepy Don!
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I mean if you think criticism necessarily means disrespect then of course he was disrespecting the country.
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Corrik7 posted...

That's not the argument at all. The argument that he isn't anti-America or had intent to disrespect the flag is bullshit because he is literally disrespecting the independence day of our nation and calling those who celebrate it as celebrating white supremacy. That's case closed on it. No coming back from that.

The cause of taking a knee for police brutality/systemic racism is fine. (I think it is disrespectful to do during the anthem though). But, the argument has always been Colin himself wasn't disrespecting the flag and our nation by doing what he was doing. Yet, his words today make it painfully clear what his intent has always been.

Sure, Colin Kaepernick doesnt respect America or its foundation as a slave state that it has never recovered from

Would you take him on the Steelers if hes still good enough?
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http://stonetoss.com/comic/breathe-easy/

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SmartMuffin posted...

http://stonetoss.com/comic/breathe-easy/

Do criminals lives not matter to ole Stonetoss?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Sure, Colin Kaepernick doesnt respect America or its foundation as a slave state that it has never recovered from

Would you take him on the Steelers if hes still good enough?

Would I take him? I'm not an owner. Do you mean would I watch him if the Steelers decided he was good enough to be on the team? I mean, I'm not really a Steelers fan, but I generally separate product from views. I'm not a boycott/cancel person. It always kills me when I see someone say they really like something but they can't support it because so and so has a certain viewpoint. That is dumb to me.

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but I generally separate product from views. I'm not a boycott/cancel person.

and this is why you lose literally every battle

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SmartMuffin posted...

and this is why you lose literally every battle

I am not losing a battle. I would argue the people who are missing out on things they enjoy because they can't separate products from views are missing out.

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My apologies; I assumed you were a Steelers fan

Can you understand that for some people, respect for the flag is so paramount that it means more to them to not support someone who disrespects it than it does to get entertainment?

That goes for any boycott reason really. Why would you want to support a person or company who uses your support to facilitate causes that you despise on a level bigger than yourself?

Does your own pleasure override a larger sense of morality and ideals? Honest question
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Like lets make a really basic hypothetical example that everyone can get behind

What if ISIS made the best potato chips in the world. Would you buy them?
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SmartMuffin posted...

http://stonetoss.com/comic/breathe-easy/

I am once again stating my very reasonable request to at least refrain from posting content from literal neonazis in this topic series

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I thought the argument is that Kaep isn't trying to disrespect the troops, which at least made sense to me as something to get offended about since it'd be disrespecting real people

but man between the flag and the statues and independence day I just cannot give a shit and it's wild to me that conservative friends will expect me to be outraged over symbolic gesture when all they preach about is toughness. fucking boo hoo he dissed the flag, get some thicker skin
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Corrik7 posted...

The argument that he isn't anti-America or had intent to disrespect the flag is bullshit because he is literally disrespecting the independence day of our nation and calling those who celebrate it as celebrating white supremacy.

kaepernick was going to protest by sitting on the bench and then was told by nate boyer that kneeling was a more respectful way of protesting and thus he kneeled before the flag. just because he's anti-america doesn't mean literally everything he does should be interpreted as being anti-american.

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I don't know what exact arguments the usual suspects are trying to make, but July 4th sucks and I haven't celebrated or acknowledged it once since I lived with my parents.

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Jakyl25 posted...

My apologies; I assumed you were a Steelers fan

Can you understand that for some people, respect for the flag is so paramount that it means more to them to not support someone who disrespects it than it does to get entertainment?

That goes for any boycott reason really. Why would you want to support a person or company who uses your support to facilitate causes that you despise on a level bigger than yourself?

Does your own pleasure override a larger sense of morality and ideals? Honest question

I can easily separate a product from a person. I am not gonna not use an electric car if I think Elon Musk is an idiot. I am not gonna not use a trump hotel if that's my best option if I think he is an idiot. I am not gonna not play a game I like because the company does something I don't agree with.

Like I see all the nonsense virtue signalling going on and it's weird (I also think a lot of people lie about it).

I am not gonna buy Last of Us because of crunch!

I am not gonna buy Cyberpunk because CDPR made a assuming my gender joke!

I am not gonna buy Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft consoles because they are made in China, questionably by forced labor.

I am not gonna buy Nike stuff because it is made in sweat shops.

I am not gonna read Harry Potter because JK Rowling's doesn't have the same views as me on transgender issues.

Like, the list honestly is long, exhausting, and frankly dumb.

I have zero doubt a good chunk of those people are full of shit with their boycotts, and are also hypocrites with boycotts when it comes to their convenience.

Living your life that way is frankly dumb.

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Corrik7 posted...

I can easily separate a product from a person. I am not gonna not use an electric car if I think Elon Musk is an idiot. I am not gonna not use a trump hotel if that's my best option if I think he is an idiot. I am not gonna play a game I like because the company does something I don't agree with.

Like I see all the nonsense virtue signalling going on and it's weird (I also think a lot of people lie about it).

I am not gonna buy Last of Us because of crunch!

I am not gonna buy Cyberpunk because CDPR made a assuming my gender joke!

I am not gonna buy Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft consoles because they are made in China, questionably by forced labor.

I am not gonna buy Nike stuff because it is made in sweat shops.

I am not gonna read Harry Potter because JK Rowling's doesn't have the same views as me on transgender issues.

Like, the list honestly is long, exhausting, and frankly dumb.

I have zero doubt a good chunk of those people are full of shit with their boycotts, and are also hypocrites with boycotts when it comes to their convenience.

Living your life that way is frankly dumb.

Is there any cause that you would fight for that doesnt involve you personally?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Is there any cause that you would fight for that doesnt involve you personally?

What do you mean?

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Like my example earlier

Jakyl25 posted...

Like lets make a really basic hypothetical example that everyone can get behind

What if ISIS made the best potato chips in the world. Would you buy them?

Like is ISISs cause bad enough that you would refuse to fund them even if you loved these hypothetical potato chips they make to accrue money?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Like my example earlier

Like is ISISs cause bad enough that you would refuse to fund them even if you loved these hypothetical potato chips they make to accrue money?

It's a stupid equation. You are asking if I would fund literally fucking terrorism. There is no way that product would ever feasibly exist to be bought.

Like, if that's your question it is a waste of time.

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Its an extreme hypothetical because Im trying to find where your line of values is

I know you care about things that directly affect you. Like I doubt you would continue to buy Nike products if they had YOUR son working in a sweat shop.

But apparently terrorism is a bad enough cause that you would not fund it, even if it personally benefitted you. Thats something! Im trying to understand your threshold for foregoing personal enjoyment for a better cause even if that cause doesnt affect you at all.
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And just to be clear, Im not coming at you from some moral high ground like Im better or not a hypocrite in this regard. I still occasionally watch WWE and subscribe to their streaming service, which supports some pretty awful people and causes. But I definitely understand why people boycott things if they believe that their money would be used to fund deplorable things
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1279575273365594112

All hail president ye?

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in honor of America day, I engaged in a statue debate with an unknown friend of a facebook friend who I haven't spoken to in years

felt good

he really owned me when he repeated himself over and over while dodging all my points like Neo

which side of the debate were you on
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I don't claim to be an expert on U.S. history, (got a 2 on the AP US History exam because I was perfectly fine skating by with a B- in that class) but I challenged him to articulate in specific terms how removing a statue actually results in history being erased and he eventually stopped replying after running out of irrelevant sidebars to distract with

that said, the night is young! he may make a resurgence lol

(he was doing the "I'm done now, bye" then reappearing 2 minutes later thing. which I know I'm not the only one here who is guilty of that)

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1279404329124986886?s=21

Guilfoyle is Don Jr.s girlfriend (and Gavin Newsoms ex)

Noem is the governor of SD, who recently said that they would not be social distancing at the Mount Rushmore fireworks display.

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https://twitter.com/scottgairdner/status/1279573499367976960

oh man why would anyone point the mic to this crowd, it's hilarious

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Grimlyn posted...

https://twitter.com/scottgairdner/status/1279573499367976960

oh man why would anyone point the mic to this crowd, it's hilarious

Or the camera
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turbopuns3 posted...

I don't claim to be an expert on U.S. history, (got a 2 on the AP US History exam because I was perfectly fine skating by with a B- in that class) but I challenged him to articulate in specific terms how removing a statue actually results in history being erased and he eventually stopped replying after running out of irrelevant sidebars to distract with

Because it is a dumb question with no actual relevance.

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He asserts history is being erased, I say defend your assertion, he tucks tail and shuts up. I mean, feel free to defend it for him in a way that isn't just petty meaningless insults.

Corrik7 posted...

Because it is a dumb question with no actual relevance.

That's literally the argument a lot of people are making, that getting rid of statues "erases history."

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