Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 309: Putin a lifetime bounty

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Trump and GOP are again coming out against unemployment boost extensions. They are ping ponging back and forth and it is nerve wracking.

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I appreciate how Republicans were fine with everything until they weren't allowed to go to bars.

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Corrik7 posted...

Trump and GOP are again coming out against unemployment boost extensions. They are ping ponging back and forth and it is nerve wracking.

It's almost like the GOP don't give a shit about people. Honestly I think the only way they actually approve them is if they think they lose the senate in november if they do nothing. But if they think they hold the senate no matter what and can just continue to not vote on things for another 2 years especially during a dem presidency then nothing will get passed.

Seriously, fuck the GOP.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont get it.

Youve never heard of the film Mutiny on the Bounty?
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Suprak posted...

Current dem votes: 528213
Estimated percent of total votes: 94%
Projected final total: 577,46

Current rep votes: 388499
Estimated percent of total votes: 74%
Projected final total: 524,999

turbopuns3 posted...

Oh I hadn't even realized how much the republicans were dragging ass on counting. Guess the turnout difference wasn't as big as I thought. We'll see where they end up I guess.

Just to follow up, yeah my instinct was more accurate than those projected numbers. Republicans ended up with only 414,921 votes compared to 544,062 for Democrats. 130,000 is a big difference.

Though, doesn't much matter I guess. I was just checking the counts from the 2016 Senate election...

Republicans only had 200,000 votes in the primary compared to Democrats' 400,000, but in the general Rand Paul (R) got over a million votes to Jim Gray's (D) 800,000.

Well, the best news is lots more people are voting regardless.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-drug-overdose/

lockdowns will kill more than they save

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Wrong, next.

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muffin: i recognize that covid is an extremely deadly pandemic
also muffin: lockdowns kill more than they save

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is this a cry for help
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Epstein's piece of shit accomplice has finally been arrested:

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/1278680896460242944

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Epstein's piece of shit accomplice has finally been arrested:

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/1278680896460242944

I hate that I am already thinking "dont let this end like Epstein"
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

muffin: i recognize that covid is an extremely deadly pandemic
also muffin: lockdowns kill more than they save

these are not logically inconsistent at all
both could very easily be true

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Epstein's piece of shit accomplice has finally been arrested:

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/1278680896460242944

Word on the street is that this guy has been invited to bezos' place a lot

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Peace___Frog posted...

Word on the street is that this guy has been invited to bezos' place a lot

Pretty unreliable word if they think she's a guy.

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think you might want to double-check your info on this "guy"

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SmartMuffin posted...

these are not logically inconsistent at all
both could very easily be true

they COULD both be true but i find it hard to believe that hundreds of thousands of americans are committing suicide because of covid, personally

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SmartMuffin posted...

lockdowns will kill more than they save

I think Muffin might actually not be completely wrong about this, at least for the US. Given that we have made virtually no progress controlling the virus during the lockdown period, it's entirely possible that they won't end up saving any lives at all. Granted, that speaks more to total incompetence on the Trump administration's part, but we should have known to expect that going in. Doing nothing about the virus would have had horrifying results, but there's a decent chance we'll end up with the same outcome anyway. If that's the case, maybe we should have let it happen sooner.
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Xeybozn posted...

Given that we have made virtually no progress controlling the virus during the lockdown period,

how do you know? we have no access to an alternative universe where there has been no lockdown in the US.

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The US government is not incapable of controlling the disease. The Trump administration has chosen not to.
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love to see politicians and media outlets celebrating a huge reduction in unemployment by 1% as cases rise

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I wouldn't say we've made no progress, it's just because the Trump administration wavers between "not helping" to "actively worsening" you just have to look at it more as 50 different areas battling the virus mostly independently.

Some are doing better than others, even if the surges in other states have the national numbers trending back up dangerously. I do think the push for reopening early is going to make things a lot worse for everyone overall because you can't expect it to stay contained in just those states forever.

You look at the graphs for other countries dealing with this though and it's just embarrassing seeing how the US has utterly failed.

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I only read the name and misgendered. Thanks for the correction!

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

love to see politicians and media outlets celebrating a huge reduction in unemployment by 1% as cases rise

It's the single biggest increase in jobs in a month in US history. And by biggest, I mean it's bigger than the next 5 combined.

turbopuns3 posted...

Suprak posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Just to follow up, yeah my instinct was more accurate than those projected numbers. Republicans ended up with only 414,921 votes compared to 544,062 for Democrats. 130,000 is a big difference.

Though, doesn't much matter I guess. I was just checking the counts from the 2016 Senate election...

Republicans only had 200,000 votes in the primary compared to Democrats' 400,000, but in the general Rand Paul (R) got over a million votes to Jim Gray's (D) 800,000.

Well, the best news is lots more people are voting regardless.

oh awesome thanks for that context. This helps reinforce it as being pretty hopeless regardless

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I mean, he was up for election in 2008 and won and while IIRC it was his closest election it still wasn't like he was in serious peril.

think that tells you all you need to know really

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Well it is strange times. You never know!

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Honestly if the Republicans are doing badly enough to lose Kentucky, Mitch wouldn't be majority leader even if he won because the Republicans wouldn't have a majority. It's a good thing for the GOP that the national Dems appear to be about to spend major resources trying to win in Kentucky, Texas, Georgia, etc. again. The national Dem party support also is probably not going to help local Dem candidates in those states, who are probably better off if they can distance themselves from the national party.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

how do you know? we have no access to an alternative universe where there has been no lockdown in the US.

No, but we can compare various US states that have had more or less severe lockdowns, and we can compare the US to other countries that have had more or less severe lockdowns.

If you spend like five minutes doing this it becomes immediately obvious that there is pretty much no correlation whatsoever between "lockdown severity" and "covid deaths"

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SmartMuffin posted...

No, but we can compare various US states that have had more or less severe lockdowns, and we can compare the US to other countries that have had more or less severe lockdowns.

If you spend like five minutes doing this it becomes immediately obvious that there is pretty much no correlation whatsoever between "lockdown severity" and "covid deaths"

Compare the EU and US graphs. They have very different shapes.

(Of course, wave 2 is probably going to happen in the EU eventually, and wave 3 and 4, etc. until they either get a vaccine or get to herd immunity).

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red sox 777 posted...

Compare the EU and US graphs. They have very different shapes.

(Of course, wave 2 is probably going to happen in the EU eventually, and wave 3 and 4, etc. until they either get a vaccine or get to herd immunity).

You cannot compare areas that never had exponential growth to areas that did. Or lump those areas together to compare to another country.

Compare New York to Italy or whatever. However lumping all of the United States when most didn't even have a real first wave before locking down is a fool's errand. A lot of these states people are worried about are having their first wave now not their second.

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Compare the EU and US graphs. They have very different shapes.

(Of course, wave 2 is probably going to happen in the EU eventually, and wave 3 and 4, etc. until they either get a vaccine or get to herd immunity).

Compare deaths per capita and they aren't. More specifically, compare specific states to specific EU countries.

Every US state had different lockdown policy. Every EU country had different lockdown policy. Many of the worst performing US states had very restrictive lockdowns. Many of the best performing US states had little to no lockdowns at all. Same for EU.

There is little to no actual evidence (as in, looking at actual outcomes that have already happened) that lockdowns are effective at all. Any and all arguments that lockdowns have "saved lives" are based entirely on estimates, predictions, hypotheticals, and computer models.

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Was just informed at work that there's a national shortage of coins? What? How does that happen?

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SmartMuffin posted...

There is little to no actual evidence (as in, looking at actual outcomes that have already happened) that lockdowns are effective at all. Any and all arguments that lockdowns have "saved lives" are based entirely on estimates, predictions, hypotheticals, and computer models.

Once you start comparing lockdown variations and population density it shows that they very much work.

Hell the science(this is based on... Evidence) alone tells you they work.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Was just informed at work that there's a national shortage of coins? What? How does that happen?

Not so much a shortage so much as circulation issues since people are spending coins less due to covid.

People see the register as hazard and want to leave asap.

This Trump press conference this morning is hilarious. He's just bragging about the stock market and jobs numbers.

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Leafeon13N posted...

Once you start comparing lockdown variations and population density it shows that they very much work.

Hell the science(this is based on... Evidence) alone tells you they work.

This is absolutely false.

Japan is over twice as dense as New York State (863 vs 421 people per square mile) and has had minimal lockdowns. They have eight deaths per million. New York state has 1,652 deaths per million.

NY has over 200x as many deaths per capita as Japan despite half the density and stricter lockdowns.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Youve never heard of the film Mutiny on the Bounty?

Nope!

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Nope!

How about the actual mutiny on the HMS Bounty?

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there's actually three mutiny on the bounty films! only two of them are called "mutiny on the bounty," though.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Japan is over twice as dense as New York State (863 vs 421 people per square mile) and has had minimal lockdowns.

They declared a state of emergency. Did that not include lockdowns?
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Ok so it looks like they didnt have to lock people down because the populace took it seriously and voluntarily avoided crowds and always wore masks
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1278754079414587392?s=21

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Jakyl25 posted...

Ok so it looks like they didnt have to lock people down because the populace took it seriously and voluntarily avoided crowds and always wore masks

also, didn't japan just close their borders very early?

seems like comparing islands to normal countries (or parts of countries) when it comes to covid doesn't really work. new zealand has had almost no covid deaths. pretty sure the dutch islands have had almost no (if any) covid infections.

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Manhattan is also an island <_<

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SmartMuffin posted...

This is absolutely false.

Japan is over twice as dense as New York State (863 vs 421 people per square mile) and has had minimal lockdowns. They have eight deaths per million. New York state has 1,652 deaths per million.

NY has over 200x as many deaths per capita as Japan despite half the density and stricter lockdowns.

So what is your stance on what the US should have done since you appear to be both against masks and lockdowns? What is it that you think Japan did right here?

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So what is your stance on what the US should have done

Absolutely nothing.

What is it that you think Japan did right here?

I have no idea. All I know is that lockdowns and masks are clearly and obviously NOT the answer.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Absolutely nothing.

I have no idea. All I know is that lockdowns and masks are clearly and obviously NOT the answer.

lmao

ok then

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SmartMuffin posted...

I have no idea. All I know is that lockdowns and masks are clearly and obviously NOT the answer.

Wait how do you all of a sudden include masks if everyone in Japan is wearing them
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Honest question Muffin: are you under the impression that if the country had done literally nothing, the death toll would largely be the same?

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SmartMuffin posted...

All I know is that lockdowns and masks are clearly and obviously NOT the answer.

uh, not sure how you came to this conclusion when all the data posted in this topic "clearly and obviously" says otherwise.

and in case your "but manhattan is also an island!!" post wasn't a joke, that's obviously not an island in the same way japan is.

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