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ctesjbuvf 05/16/20 11:45:36 AM #52:	Round 1 Division 2 Day 4 Bloodborne 80.53% Call of Duty: Black Ops 19.47% Prediction Percentage 77.04% In a division full of huge blowouts, Bloodborne sought out to overperform the most. It fell just short of DOOM, but man does it look good here. Theres a lot to be said about Call of Duty these days (and Ill get there), but its hard to think this would be the same Bloodborne as five years ago. Unlike a good bunch of the other +80% winners this so far, Bloodborne was not against a no name. Every single person voting know what Call of Duty is. Its the first sign of the strength the FromSoftware games had achieved. Sekiro did not exactly look all too good at first, but Bloodborne went out the gates clearly wanting to bath in the first half of its name. Whether it was Souldborne generally rising or simply the contest title helping out here was not yet certain, but if you picked Bloodborne to round 3 as one of your risks, then what a happy day this must be. Not a single person in the oracle expected this big a blowout. The closest was still more than 3% off. I was in fourth being 7% off. Thats very telling. I had not expected it would be this much better than last time, but I did go high because I absolutely expected Call of Duty to be this bad. The huge result is undoubtfully a combination of one being better than expected and the other one being worse. I expected and had validated that Call of Duty has fallen considerably more than we already knew. Lets recap for a bit. Call of Duty has won a Game of the Year award here in the past back in 2009. It looked good in Best Game Ever II and Game of the Decade I in 2009 and 2010 respectively. Fast forward five years and Call of Duty had been met with the criticism of favoring quantity over quality when making games. They werent as great as Modern Warfare. Black Ops is probably among the least disliked, but this caused a backlash on the franchise as a whole. I dont blame you if you cant remember Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare actually made it into the 2015 contest, but it did. It was a #14 seed. Im sure you remember Super Metroid that contest. Well, CoD4 was the game that Super Metroid destroyed in round 1 by breaking 80%. I expected this trend to have continued. It would decline further. Not as much as it did between our previous two games contests, but still decline. It wasnt facing as strong an opponent this time, but it also wasnt as strong a Call of Duty game. I expected the opponent to matter more though, because Call of Duty will get anti-voted to some extend no matter which entry it is. Well, I had the right idea, but I underestimated Bloodborne a bit. Back then I wasnt sure if I just overestimated Call of Duty despite expecting it to be worse than most, but on this side of the contest, I can see that I had underestimated Bloodborne a bit. At this point, it became clear that wed see a lot of blowouts this contest. Something we had almost none of last character battle. Round 1 had a lot of fodder due to the contest having a series cap and only recent games. From this day forward it was time to expect them more than we had done, even if this division had the most. Division 2 had a very boring round 1 with the best losing game in terms of percentage only barely breaking 40%, but round 2 was exciting. Wed have four matches that seemingly could go either way. I know some people thought some of the matches were obvious, but all of them had people on both sides. Thats quite rare! --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939245707] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 2 Day 4 Bloodborne 80.53% Call of Duty: Black Ops 19.47% Prediction Percentage 77.04% In a division full of huge blowouts, Bloodborne sought out to overperform the most. It fell just short of DOOM, but man does it look good here. Theres a lot to be said about Call of Duty these days (and Ill get there), but its hard to think this would be the same Bloodborne as five years ago. Unlike a good bunch of the other +80% winners this so far, Bloodborne was not against a no name. Every single person voting know what Call of Duty is. Its the first sign of the strength the FromSoftware games had achieved. Sekiro did not exactly look all too good at first, but Bloodborne went out the gates clearly wanting to bath in the first half of its name. Whether it was Souldborne generally rising or simply the contest title helping out here was not yet certain, but if you picked Bloodborne to round 3 as one of your risks, then what a happy day this must be. Not a single person in the oracle expected this big a blowout. The closest was still more than 3% off. I was in fourth being 7% off. Thats very telling. I had not expected it would be this much better than last time, but I did go high because I absolutely expected Call of Duty to be this bad. The huge result is undoubtfully a combination of one being better than expected and the other one being worse. I expected and had validated that Call of Duty has fallen considerably more than we already knew. Lets recap for a bit. Call of Duty has won a Game of the Year award here in the past back in 2009. It looked good in Best Game Ever II and Game of the Decade I in 2009 and 2010 respectively. Fast forward five years and Call of Duty had been met with the criticism of favoring quantity over quality when making games. They werent as great as Modern Warfare. Black Ops is probably among the least disliked, but this caused a backlash on the franchise as a whole. I dont blame you if you cant remember Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare actually made it into the 2015 contest, but it did. It was a #14 seed. Im sure you remember Super Metroid that contest. Well, CoD4 was the game that Super Metroid destroyed in round 1 by breaking 80%. I expected this trend to have continued. It would decline further. Not as much as it did between our previous two games contests, but still decline. It wasnt facing as strong an opponent this time, but it also wasnt as strong a Call of Duty game. I expected the opponent to matter more though, because Call of Duty will get anti-voted to some extend no matter which entry it is. Well, I had the right idea, but I underestimated Bloodborne a bit. Back then I wasnt sure if I just overestimated Call of Duty despite expecting it to be worse than most, but on this side of the contest, I can see that I had underestimated Bloodborne a bit. At this point, it became clear that wed see a lot of blowouts this contest. Something we had almost none of last character battle. Round 1 had a lot of fodder due to the contest having a series cap and only recent games. From this day forward it was time to expect them more than we had done, even if this division had the most. Division 2 had a very boring round 1 with the best losing game in terms of percentage only barely breaking 40%, but round 2 was exciting. Wed have four matches that seemingly could go either way. I know some people thought some of the matches were obvious, but all of them had people on both sides. Thats quite rare! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/17/20 9:15:16 AM #53:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 82.98% Tekken 7 17.02% Prediction Percentage 93.92% Prior to the contest, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was considered by many to be either the second or third best game here. It was obviously behind Breath of the Wild, but a fear amount of people considered it second. Skyrim was before the contest mostly considered the potential second ahead of Ultimate, but a few other games were in consideration too. Wherever we predicted it to be exactly, we all agreed that it was among the very best. Nintendo is so big these days with the huge success of the Switch. It had to be up there. Most people expected it to have a really boring contest run because the Nintendo hierarchy would mean it had a free pass to the semifinals before being fed to Breath of the Wild. The biggest case against Ultimates strength was its final Game of the Year poll against God of War. It was only a little more than year ago, so likely still in full relevance. It only won with just less than 55%. A reaction to that was considering God of War to be a top game here. Another was the thought that perhaps Smash Bros has stronger hype that games. I dont think anyone here will deny that the Smash Bros franchise can boost things prerelease more than anything else. Weve seen characters clearly boosting significantly due to be revealed for Smash. Weve even seen that happen mid-contest before with Sonic being the key example. Even so, theres a good case to be made for Brawl and Melee to be the strongest games last decade, even if Majora ending up getting past Brawl in the final with a bandwagon. That was a while after the release of even Brawl. Theres also the argument that the site has shifted away from multiplayer games. While Smash has had good single player, its always a multiplayer game first and foremost. We dont really see games that are primarily multiplayer doing well here much anymore. Ultimate is considered a celebration of gaming more than its considered a fighting game by Mr. Sakurai himself, and theres something to it. Fighting games and multiplayer games have had a clear roof in these contests, which Smash has always been quite a bit better than everything else in those categories. But maybe it still hurt it a bit as well. It was most likely put in this half of the bracket to avoid a pure Nintendo finals, but some regulars were using this multiplayer decline to argue that it wouldnt have stood much a chance in the lower half either, perhaps not even getting past the critically acclaimed Super Mario Odyssey in round 4. Despite most of us thinking Ultimate had the most predictable path possible, it had to prove itself to a good bunch of it. Getting 83% against anything can hardly be considered a bad result, but its also extremely unreliable. Tekken 7 is all the things we talked about before, so it doesnt really tell us much in itself. However, seeing as Super Mario Odyssey was facing Mortal Kombat 11, there was a good way to compare them through those. I never thought its a good measure for predicting the division finals, but it gave us something to discuss at least. The main reason I never thought so is that I could not see Ultimate vs. Odyssey coming down to what game is stronger indirectly, unless one of them was way ahead, which I dont think anyone thought. Ultimate also has some overlap with Tekken 7, making the uncertainties even greater. Finally, when something gets percentages this high, the uncertainties are already so great that its tough to conclude anything from, so wed just have to wait for now. Lets talk a little bit about Tekken 7 first though. Most people believed Mortal Kombat 11 to be the stronger of the two, because Mortal Kombat has always been better than Tekken here. The debut of both series all the way back in our original character battle saw Scorpion slaughter Kazuya and thats a perfect picture of how theyve done since. Scorpion is decent here and Sub-Zero has showed some really good results. Three characters from Tekken have made the field and there was no point of them returning. The best result was when Yoshimitsu actually won a match in 2013 before dying in round 2, but that was lucky bracket placement more than anything. Despite that, I honestly wouldnt be surprise if Tekken 7 was slightly stronger at least indirectly. We cant tell for certain, because most matches to base things on are unreliable. I expect the gap to have closed quite a bit since our first contests. Sub-Zero will still be good most likely, but anything released in the past chunk of years from the franchise likely would not. Its far past its prime. Tekken 7 however is actually rather good! I wasnt a big fan of the story mode ending, but it wouldnt surprise me if I was in a small minority and story mode has never been Tekkens selling point anyway. The real reason for Tekken 7 doing better than Mortal Kombat 11 is probably most of all that Ultimate is a bit less respected than Odyssey, which matters at those percentages, but I wont rule out that the gap between those fighting games have closed! --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939287911] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 82.98% Tekken 7 17.02% Prediction Percentage 93.92% Prior to the contest, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was considered by many to be either the second or third best game here. It was obviously behind Breath of the Wild, but a fear amount of people considered it second. Skyrim was before the contest mostly considered the potential second ahead of Ultimate, but a few other games were in consideration too. Wherever we predicted it to be exactly, we all agreed that it was among the very best. Nintendo is so big these days with the huge success of the Switch. It had to be up there. Most people expected it to have a really boring contest run because the Nintendo hierarchy would mean it had a free pass to the semifinals before being fed to Breath of the Wild. The biggest case against Ultimates strength was its final Game of the Year poll against God of War. It was only a little more than year ago, so likely still in full relevance. It only won with just less than 55%. A reaction to that was considering God of War to be a top game here. Another was the thought that perhaps Smash Bros has stronger hype that games. I dont think anyone here will deny that the Smash Bros franchise can boost things prerelease more than anything else. Weve seen characters clearly boosting significantly due to be revealed for Smash. Weve even seen that happen mid-contest before with Sonic being the key example. Even so, theres a good case to be made for Brawl and Melee to be the strongest games last decade, even if Majora ending up getting past Brawl in the final with a bandwagon. That was a while after the release of even Brawl. Theres also the argument that the site has shifted away from multiplayer games. While Smash has had good single player, its always a multiplayer game first and foremost. We dont really see games that are primarily multiplayer doing well here much anymore. Ultimate is considered a celebration of gaming more than its considered a fighting game by Mr. Sakurai himself, and theres something to it. Fighting games and multiplayer games have had a clear roof in these contests, which Smash has always been quite a bit better than everything else in those categories. But maybe it still hurt it a bit as well. It was most likely put in this half of the bracket to avoid a pure Nintendo finals, but some regulars were using this multiplayer decline to argue that it wouldnt have stood much a chance in the lower half either, perhaps not even getting past the critically acclaimed Super Mario Odyssey in round 4. Despite most of us thinking Ultimate had the most predictable path possible, it had to prove itself to a good bunch of it. Getting 83% against anything can hardly be considered a bad result, but its also extremely unreliable. Tekken 7 is all the things we talked about before, so it doesnt really tell us much in itself. However, seeing as Super Mario Odyssey was facing Mortal Kombat 11, there was a good way to compare them through those. I never thought its a good measure for predicting the division finals, but it gave us something to discuss at least. The main reason I never thought so is that I could not see Ultimate vs. Odyssey coming down to what game is stronger indirectly, unless one of them was way ahead, which I dont think anyone thought. Ultimate also has some overlap with Tekken 7, making the uncertainties even greater. Finally, when something gets percentages this high, the uncertainties are already so great that its tough to conclude anything from, so wed just have to wait for now. Lets talk a little bit about Tekken 7 first though. Most people believed Mortal Kombat 11 to be the stronger of the two, because Mortal Kombat has always been better than Tekken here. The debut of both series all the way back in our original character battle saw Scorpion slaughter Kazuya and thats a perfect picture of how theyve done since. Scorpion is decent here and Sub-Zero has showed some really good results. Three characters from Tekken have made the field and there was no point of them returning. The best result was when Yoshimitsu actually won a match in 2013 before dying in round 2, but that was lucky bracket placement more than anything. Despite that, I honestly wouldnt be surprise if Tekken 7 was slightly stronger at least indirectly. We cant tell for certain, because most matches to base things on are unreliable. I expect the gap to have closed quite a bit since our first contests. Sub-Zero will still be good most likely, but anything released in the past chunk of years from the franchise likely would not. Its far past its prime. Tekken 7 however is actually rather good! I wasnt a big fan of the story mode ending, but it wouldnt surprise me if I was in a small minority and story mode has never been Tekkens selling point anyway. The real reason for Tekken 7 doing better than Mortal Kombat 11 is probably most of all that Ultimate is a bit less respected than Odyssey, which matters at those percentages, but I wont rule out that the gap between those fighting games have closed! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/17/20 10:00:04 AM #54:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds 63.50% Bayonetta 36.50% Prediction Percentage 70.35% Heres a battle of two games contending for the title of who got screwed over by bracket placement the most? One of them is a previous Game of the Year winner and a Zelda game on top of that. Im not doubting Allen screwed that one over on purpose. Bayonetta Im not as sure if it was intended, but it sure happened. Its easily the most unfortunate franchise in the bracket, because both games could be worth something and they got to face A Link Between Worlds and Automata respectively. The Mario also has a case going of it, especially with how good both games look in the x-stats, but at least Mario got to be in a debatable match. Not a single serious person could see Bayonetta winning. Im not sure why Allen bothered to include both games when he so clearly wanted to represent as many franchises as possible when he would just fed them both to top games anyway, but maybe it was random. Seriously though, Bayonetta wins against a lot of the #8 seeds if not all of them. The one Id hesitate to pick Bayonetta against is Mass Effect 3 and I probably still would honestly. This isnt even the first time Bayonetta has had the most ridiculous luck. The previous contest saw only the second game make the field despite being a Wii U exclusive at the time. Then the first game gets the worst possible draw relative to the seeding this time around. Its a shame we couldnt give it a victory somewhere. It would lose to any #1 seed anyways. Yes, most likely also GTAV though Im sure that would have some people pulling the upset. If Bayonetta 3 has had another update next games contest that is not just Nintendo telling us theyre aware of it existing, then perhaps the games will have even better chances of winning a round 1 match than it already had. Hopefully it has been released and well regarded, so its something to fear in the future. At least the character was has been allowed to show off before, most notably exposing Riku of being terrible these days. A Link Between Worlds also has just about no luck in contests, but this time it got in and got to win a match. Youd also have to seriously rig the bracket for it not to win a match, however. Or we couldve nominated it more I suppose. It got a tough an opponent as it could basically and still won with ease. It actually underperformed about 5% relative to what the oracles expected of it though. It might not be as good as it wouldve been back when it was new. Everyone liked it, but its rather forgettable. For a while it was not because it was the first Zelda game in quite a few everyone seemed to like. Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass were not too popular. Twilight Princess, Wind Waker and Majoras Mask were, but they have their haters too. It was also a return to 2D and more importantly a return to Zelda being non-linear. The reason it didnt make it into the 2015 contest was most likely that while everyone liked it, its no ones favorite. Then Breath of the Wild came and we forgot about it completely, unfortunately. I think the main reason it got into this contest above Skyward Sword other than Skyward Sword not being popular is that it was snubbed last time and board 8 thought it deserved to get into a contest. Board 8 influences nominations a lot these days, I could see that having made a strong push. Id also argue it would be a shame not to have all 10 Game of the Year winners make it into a Game of the Decade contest, but Smash 4 already made that not happen, so it probably wasnt its main drive. When all that is said and we can agree A Link Between Worlds probably isnt as good as it wouldve been in 2015, I also think Bayonetta is just legit and that this match had no SFF, which Im sure some were expecting. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939289185] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds 63.50% Bayonetta 36.50% Prediction Percentage 70.35% Heres a battle of two games contending for the title of who got screwed over by bracket placement the most? One of them is a previous Game of the Year winner and a Zelda game on top of that. Im not doubting Allen screwed that one over on purpose. Bayonetta Im not as sure if it was intended, but it sure happened. Its easily the most unfortunate franchise in the bracket, because both games could be worth something and they got to face A Link Between Worlds and Automata respectively. The Mario also has a case going of it, especially with how good both games look in the x-stats, but at least Mario got to be in a debatable match. Not a single serious person could see Bayonetta winning. Im not sure why Allen bothered to include both games when he so clearly wanted to represent as many franchises as possible when he would just fed them both to top games anyway, but maybe it was random. Seriously though, Bayonetta wins against a lot of the #8 seeds if not all of them. The one Id hesitate to pick Bayonetta against is Mass Effect 3 and I probably still would honestly. This isnt even the first time Bayonetta has had the most ridiculous luck. The previous contest saw only the second game make the field despite being a Wii U exclusive at the time. Then the first game gets the worst possible draw relative to the seeding this time around. Its a shame we couldnt give it a victory somewhere. It would lose to any #1 seed anyways. Yes, most likely also GTAV though Im sure that would have some people pulling the upset. If Bayonetta 3 has had another update next games contest that is not just Nintendo telling us theyre aware of it existing, then perhaps the games will have even better chances of winning a round 1 match than it already had. Hopefully it has been released and well regarded, so its something to fear in the future. At least the character was has been allowed to show off before, most notably exposing Riku of being terrible these days. A Link Between Worlds also has just about no luck in contests, but this time it got in and got to win a match. Youd also have to seriously rig the bracket for it not to win a match, however. Or we couldve nominated it more I suppose. It got a tough an opponent as it could basically and still won with ease. It actually underperformed about 5% relative to what the oracles expected of it though. It might not be as good as it wouldve been back when it was new. Everyone liked it, but its rather forgettable. For a while it was not because it was the first Zelda game in quite a few everyone seemed to like. Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass were not too popular. Twilight Princess, Wind Waker and Majoras Mask were, but they have their haters too. It was also a return to 2D and more importantly a return to Zelda being non-linear. The reason it didnt make it into the 2015 contest was most likely that while everyone liked it, its no ones favorite. Then Breath of the Wild came and we forgot about it completely, unfortunately. I think the main reason it got into this contest above Skyward Sword other than Skyward Sword not being popular is that it was snubbed last time and board 8 thought it deserved to get into a contest. Board 8 influences nominations a lot these days, I could see that having made a strong push. Id also argue it would be a shame not to have all 10 Game of the Year winners make it into a Game of the Decade contest, but Smash 4 already made that not happen, so it probably wasnt its main drive. When all that is said and we can agree A Link Between Worlds probably isnt as good as it wouldve been in 2015, I also think Bayonetta is just legit and that this match had no SFF, which Im sure some were expecting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/17/20 2:10:29 PM #55:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 Marvels Spider-Man 69.93% Dead Space 2 30.07% Prediction Percentage 78.22% I was pretty excited to see Marvels Spider-Man in a contest because I thought it had great potential. The game was well received and sold extremely well. The Batman games have recent here and Spider-Man has actually been in good movies recently. I would be a lot more excited if Spider-Man didnt have a pretty predictable path. I picked it to win two rounds without thinking and never looked back, but I still had some enjoyment in following it. Most of that is in the other two matches, however. I must admit had to look up Dead Space 2 to remember what it was other than some horror game. It was well enough received sure, but its not something that we care a lot about here and Im sure Im not the only one to have forgotten about it. Dead Space 3 did happen, but it wasnt as popular and the company that made them has shut down since then. Dead Space 2 came out back when the whole world was incredibly excited about horror. We are that a lot less today. It had a lot of things going against it, but it wouldnt have won either way. The first game got nowhere near beaten San Andreas a decade ago, a result that looked fine until Golden Sun made the upset the following round. The second appears to be the most popular so maybe it couldve done alright if it was in a contest 8 years ago. All things considered, breaking 30% here was the best it could realistically hope for. It was below expectations, but Spider-Man ended up looking better than people thought, so this was honestly good for it. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939298412] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 Marvels Spider-Man 69.93% Dead Space 2 30.07% Prediction Percentage 78.22% I was pretty excited to see Marvels Spider-Man in a contest because I thought it had great potential. The game was well received and sold extremely well. The Batman games have recent here and Spider-Man has actually been in good movies recently. I would be a lot more excited if Spider-Man didnt have a pretty predictable path. I picked it to win two rounds without thinking and never looked back, but I still had some enjoyment in following it. Most of that is in the other two matches, however. I must admit had to look up Dead Space 2 to remember what it was other than some horror game. It was well enough received sure, but its not something that we care a lot about here and Im sure Im not the only one to have forgotten about it. Dead Space 3 did happen, but it wasnt as popular and the company that made them has shut down since then. Dead Space 2 came out back when the whole world was incredibly excited about horror. We are that a lot less today. It had a lot of things going against it, but it wouldnt have won either way. The first game got nowhere near beaten San Andreas a decade ago, a result that looked fine until Golden Sun made the upset the following round. The second appears to be the most popular so maybe it couldve done alright if it was in a contest 8 years ago. All things considered, breaking 30% here was the best it could realistically hope for. It was below expectations, but Spider-Man ended up looking better than people thought, so this was honestly good for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/17/20 4:58:14 PM #56:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 Minecraft 75.71% Dota 2 24.29% Prediction Percentage 89.25% I do wish Dota 2 would have faced something other than Minecraft. Not because it would have won in many matches, but because its always fun to see casual bait lose a match against something far less known. Dota 2 is the type of game that would do that but look at what it faced. Minecraft. The biggest casual game ever, perhaps only rivaled by Wii Sports. Although Minecraft is probably slightly more cared about on a site like this. The prediction percentage against Dota is extremely high, so the casuals got this one right too. Minecraft looks pretty good today, but its hard to make much of it facing a game that probably gets its share of anti-votes. The true testament of its strength would come next round. Last contest it looked decent enough against the original Halo before Halo died against Final Fantasy VII the following round. Those are all games with some share of anti-votes probably, but I dont think its a lot in Minecrafts case, which is part of the reason it won so easily. It might just be the true neutral. No one has strong opinions about it at all, but everyone knows what it is and were fine with it. There has been talks about Minecrafts eligibility in the contest because the classic version was made available in 2009. The full game was however was released in 2011, which is why it was allowed in. Most of the people complaining seem to complain because League of Legends was not allowed in while being in a similar situation. Ive seen the same people claim both that Minecraft shouldnt have been allowed and League of Legends should, which is a weird stance, but perhaps just a wish for consistency. If Allen told us that he just specifically targeted League of Legends I wouldnt be terribly surprised. He specifically made Ocarina of Time and Majoras Masks 3D version ineligible while allowing Persona 4 Golden and theres not much consistency in that. I would also honestly believe him if he had told us it just didnt receive enough nominations, but Dota 2 being in makes it seem likely it would have. Its quite ironic in this Minecraft / League of Legends controversy, that Minecraft got to slaughter the game in the bracket League of Legends is most similar too. My own stance? I said before League of Legends was in a similar situation and similar is the key word there. Its not the same and I dont think it makes much sense to include Minecraft in the complains about League of Legends honestly. Just because both initial releases have been called alpha does not make them the same. The League of Legends we had in 2009 was an actual release, even though it was not out everywhere, and theyve worked on it since. Basically, every place will list 2009 as the release year of League of Legends. Minecraft will be split between 2009 and 2011, but the ones saying 2009 probably acknowledges that the official release was in 2011. Of course, it sucks for League of Legends in terms of a contest like this that its release went the way it did, where some technicality means it couldnt really compete in either Game of the Decade contest. I would not have minded it being allowed in because of this. It wouldve been an exception, but it wouldve been fair enough given the circumstances. I just wanted to point out I dont think Minecraft should have been disallowed and I dont think the decision on League of Legends should have anything to do with the decision on Minecraft. Besides, League of Legends wouldve been killed in round 1 in similar fashion to Dota 2, although probably worse because we bear a grudge on it here, so its not like were missing out on anything. Minecraft showed in this match that its worth having it in. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939305670] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 5 Minecraft 75.71% Dota 2 24.29% Prediction Percentage 89.25% I do wish Dota 2 would have faced something other than Minecraft. Not because it would have won in many matches, but because its always fun to see casual bait lose a match against something far less known. Dota 2 is the type of game that would do that but look at what it faced. Minecraft. The biggest casual game ever, perhaps only rivaled by Wii Sports. Although Minecraft is probably slightly more cared about on a site like this. The prediction percentage against Dota is extremely high, so the casuals got this one right too. Minecraft looks pretty good today, but its hard to make much of it facing a game that probably gets its share of anti-votes. The true testament of its strength would come next round. Last contest it looked decent enough against the original Halo before Halo died against Final Fantasy VII the following round. Those are all games with some share of anti-votes probably, but I dont think its a lot in Minecrafts case, which is part of the reason it won so easily. It might just be the true neutral. No one has strong opinions about it at all, but everyone knows what it is and were fine with it. There has been talks about Minecrafts eligibility in the contest because the classic version was made available in 2009. The full game was however was released in 2011, which is why it was allowed in. Most of the people complaining seem to complain because League of Legends was not allowed in while being in a similar situation. Ive seen the same people claim both that Minecraft shouldnt have been allowed and League of Legends should, which is a weird stance, but perhaps just a wish for consistency. If Allen told us that he just specifically targeted League of Legends I wouldnt be terribly surprised. He specifically made Ocarina of Time and Majoras Masks 3D version ineligible while allowing Persona 4 Golden and theres not much consistency in that. I would also honestly believe him if he had told us it just didnt receive enough nominations, but Dota 2 being in makes it seem likely it would have. Its quite ironic in this Minecraft / League of Legends controversy, that Minecraft got to slaughter the game in the bracket League of Legends is most similar too. My own stance? I said before League of Legends was in a similar situation and similar is the key word there. Its not the same and I dont think it makes much sense to include Minecraft in the complains about League of Legends honestly. Just because both initial releases have been called alpha does not make them the same. The League of Legends we had in 2009 was an actual release, even though it was not out everywhere, and theyve worked on it since. Basically, every place will list 2009 as the release year of League of Legends. Minecraft will be split between 2009 and 2011, but the ones saying 2009 probably acknowledges that the official release was in 2011. Of course, it sucks for League of Legends in terms of a contest like this that its release went the way it did, where some technicality means it couldnt really compete in either Game of the Decade contest. I would not have minded it being allowed in because of this. It wouldve been an exception, but it wouldve been fair enough given the circumstances. I just wanted to point out I dont think Minecraft should have been disallowed and I dont think the decision on League of Legends should have anything to do with the decision on Minecraft. Besides, League of Legends wouldve been killed in round 1 in similar fashion to Dota 2, although probably worse because we bear a grudge on it here, so its not like were missing out on anything. Minecraft showed in this match that its worth having it in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Averia 05/17/20 5:26:43 PM #57:	I mean, even if League of Legends had participated it would have done anything more than Dota 2. Unless you had a Dota 2 vs League R1 match ,which might be the only think that could have dragged their subreddit into caring about this contest ! (highest votal match of the contest ?) Also funnily, those two communities are still far more powerful and bigger than Gamefaqs (if anything, Gamefaqs declined while their subreddits are still growing or at least conserving active user numbers), it's lucky they banned rallies. <cite>Averia posted [p:939306880] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I mean, even if League of Legends had participated it would have done anything more than Dota 2. Unless you had a Dota 2 vs League R1 match ,which might be the only think that could have dragged their subreddit into caring about this contest ! (highest votal match of the contest ?) Also funnily, those two communities are still far more powerful and bigger than Gamefaqs (if anything, Gamefaqs declined while their subreddits are still growing or at least conserving active user numbers), it's lucky they banned rallies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/17/20 6:05:04 PM #58:	Yeah, exactly. There are probably tons of communities capable of doing that if they wanted to... --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939308548] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, exactly. There are probably tons of communities capable of doing that if they wanted to... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Averia 05/17/20 6:36:17 PM #59:	I think it's really because Gamefaqs is no longer that big of a name that they don't do it. People says rallies died because of double votes or multi votes but with the decline in voting, the votes total of the recent contests were actually lower than 2013 or 2015 with the double votes. As for multi votes, it's only taking a few seconds, I don't think this would deter many people. So I think it's really mostly a lack of caring, Fortnite could have won this contest with the support of any big streamer. <cite>Averia posted [p:939309954] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I think it's really because Gamefaqs is no longer that big of a name that they don't do it. People says rallies died because of double votes or multi votes but with the decline in voting, the votes total of the recent contests were actually lower than 2013 or 2015 with the double votes. As for multi votes, it's only taking a few seconds, I don't think this would deter many people. So I think it's really mostly a lack of caring, Fortnite could have won this contest with the support of any big streamer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MechanicalWall 05/17/20 8:32:46 PM #60:	Yah I would have loved seeing Dota lose to like, idk Trails in the Sky and watch the avalanche of 'this is why GameFAQs is a joke' posts roll through. Silly casuals. GameFAQs is a joke for MANY reason, but our voting habits aren't one of them. --- If you're only on this board to whine about "SJWs", please redirect whatever you type on to the nearest trash can. And hop in after it. <cite>MechanicalWall posted [p:939314781] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Yah I would have loved seeing Dota lose to like, idk Trails in the Sky and watch the avalanche of 'this is why GameFAQs is a joke' posts roll through. Silly casuals. GameFAQs is a joke for MANY reason, but our voting habits aren't one of them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperNiceDog 05/17/20 11:54:50 PM #61:	good topic! --- Azuarc is the 2020 Guru GOTD 2 Contest Champion! <cite>SuperNiceDog posted [p:939323311] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>good topic! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 3:08:42 AM #62:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Undertale 46.71% Octopath Traveler 53.29% Prediction Percentage 21.58% The biggest upset of round 1, at least if you go by prediction percentage, sees previous Best Game Ever III winner lose to a Switch exclusive RPG that people had mixed feelings about. Unlike the other big upsets of round 1, this one also cost a lot of people 3 points. It was bigger in every way. There were even a very few people taking it further than that due to its previous result, but all experts knew Super Mario Odyssey was out of reach. A few people predicted Undertale to lose today, but it was the clear favorite with most people picking rather high percentages for it too. The ones that thought it would be anti-voted picked Shovel Knight to beat it in round 2 instead. What happened here is a mix of a bunch of things that was the perfect cocktail for getting Undertale out early. The initial reaction was a huge number of anti-votes. Last contest we saw Amerterasu absolutely kill Draven in a contest that saw few blowouts. Draven was naturally weak, we knew that, but that result was out of proportions. Sans himself also looked very bad though not as bad. We have also seen various Poll of the Day questions show that we dont forget the contest invasions and are bitter ever after. Most people did not expect it to mean Undertale would lose to Octopath Traveler of all things, but that anti-votes came surprised no one. In truth its probably not that bad. I dont doubt that there were anti-votes for a second, but they probably dont harm Undertale much worse than however much its boosted from the exposure last contest gave it. Weve seen bandwagons lasting over several contests in the past. L-Block is the key example of this. While using a 4-way match to beat Link was a one-time opportunity, L-Block was significantly stronger in future contests than it started out being in 2007. Undertale is not a joke entry in the same way, but a bunch of our regulars played it because of the attention it got. Undertale is a perfect game to take advantage of such since its cheap and short. This result looked extremely weird at the time, but Undertale ends up landing almost right where its supposed to. The adjusted x-stats have Shovel Knight barely beating it. Obviously, those have as much uncertainty as you get, but everything is in line here. It then comes down to the severe underestimation of Octopath Traveler. As someone who expected Undertale to underperform and picked Shovel Knight to beat it, I did not expend Octopath Traveler to take enough advantage of it to win. The game was quite hyped before release. Being revealed at the first true Switch presentation, it had a lot of attention for its traditional RPG elements and graphics. It was aimed at people like us. However, while the game did fine, it wasnt spectacular by any means. I have not gotten around to play it myself yet, but the eight stories of the game made it repetitive and most characters werent very interesting, certainly not enough to compensate. I wonder how big it couldve been here if that was more popular. Because Square RPG on a Nintendo console is among the best criteria you can have on this site. Chrono Trigger is the best example obviously, but there are others. Look at how well Bravely Default ends up looking, we didnt realize it yet, but this match had a lot to do with us just caring about Octopath. It would show next round. Tales of Symphonia is another good comparison. Its not a Square RPG, but a RPG on a Nintendo console that lacks big RPGs. Symphonia was almost unanimously liked, but the Gamecube wasnt too popular. The Switch is however, so Octopath had the perfect console to get exposure. The part of the reason that people predicted big percentages was the huge indie hype round 1 had. It was thought that Undertale just didnt get to boost from it due to anti-votes, but it looks decent enough and couldve won a lot of round 1 matches. Its draw was rather unfortunate, we just hadnt realized yet. Its probably still a hindrance being an indie game. Not because of the fact that theyre indie games of course, just that indie games require word of mouth to become big, while something like Octopath is riding high on its developer name. Finally, I usually dont express bitterness towards what happened in 2015, I mostly just express nothing. Im not vengeful and do not judge Undertale differently because of it. I played it because of the contest too! It was quite enjoyable. I will however use this match as an opportunity to laugh at all the many people claiming that their love for Undertale was endless and that they truly did believe it was the greatest game ever made instead of being the hot new flavor of the time. Seriously, its one of the biggest moments of what did we tell you?. I didnt mind using a flavor of the month kind of logic to vote in the contest, but the people saying so look so silly looking back. Almost none of them truly believed that, but just couldnt realize it when confronted about it back then. Undertale is not the phenomenon the internet allowed it to be briefly, its not an all time great and its not the best game ever made anywhere. Its just a pretty good and creative indie game with solid replay value. In that regard, its a shame it couldnt get a winnable match when so many indie games could, but it had its fun last time. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939328598] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Undertale 46.71% Octopath Traveler 53.29% Prediction Percentage 21.58% The biggest upset of round 1, at least if you go by prediction percentage, sees previous Best Game Ever III winner lose to a Switch exclusive RPG that people had mixed feelings about. Unlike the other big upsets of round 1, this one also cost a lot of people 3 points. It was bigger in every way. There were even a very few people taking it further than that due to its previous result, but all experts knew Super Mario Odyssey was out of reach. A few people predicted Undertale to lose today, but it was the clear favorite with most people picking rather high percentages for it too. The ones that thought it would be anti-voted picked Shovel Knight to beat it in round 2 instead. What happened here is a mix of a bunch of things that was the perfect cocktail for getting Undertale out early. The initial reaction was a huge number of anti-votes. Last contest we saw Amerterasu absolutely kill Draven in a contest that saw few blowouts. Draven was naturally weak, we knew that, but that result was out of proportions. Sans himself also looked very bad though not as bad. We have also seen various Poll of the Day questions show that we dont forget the contest invasions and are bitter ever after. Most people did not expect it to mean Undertale would lose to Octopath Traveler of all things, but that anti-votes came surprised no one. In truth its probably not that bad. I dont doubt that there were anti-votes for a second, but they probably dont harm Undertale much worse than however much its boosted from the exposure last contest gave it. Weve seen bandwagons lasting over several contests in the past. L-Block is the key example of this. While using a 4-way match to beat Link was a one-time opportunity, L-Block was significantly stronger in future contests than it started out being in 2007. Undertale is not a joke entry in the same way, but a bunch of our regulars played it because of the attention it got. Undertale is a perfect game to take advantage of such since its cheap and short. This result looked extremely weird at the time, but Undertale ends up landing almost right where its supposed to. The adjusted x-stats have Shovel Knight barely beating it. Obviously, those have as much uncertainty as you get, but everything is in line here. It then comes down to the severe underestimation of Octopath Traveler. As someone who expected Undertale to underperform and picked Shovel Knight to beat it, I did not expend Octopath Traveler to take enough advantage of it to win. The game was quite hyped before release. Being revealed at the first true Switch presentation, it had a lot of attention for its traditional RPG elements and graphics. It was aimed at people like us. However, while the game did fine, it wasnt spectacular by any means. I have not gotten around to play it myself yet, but the eight stories of the game made it repetitive and most characters werent very interesting, certainly not enough to compensate. I wonder how big it couldve been here if that was more popular. Because Square RPG on a Nintendo console is among the best criteria you can have on this site. Chrono Trigger is the best example obviously, but there are others. Look at how well Bravely Default ends up looking, we didnt realize it yet, but this match had a lot to do with us just caring about Octopath. It would show next round. Tales of Symphonia is another good comparison. Its not a Square RPG, but a RPG on a Nintendo console that lacks big RPGs. Symphonia was almost unanimously liked, but the Gamecube wasnt too popular. The Switch is however, so Octopath had the perfect console to get exposure. The part of the reason that people predicted big percentages was the huge indie hype round 1 had. It was thought that Undertale just didnt get to boost from it due to anti-votes, but it looks decent enough and couldve won a lot of round 1 matches. Its draw was rather unfortunate, we just hadnt realized yet. Its probably still a hindrance being an indie game. Not because of the fact that theyre indie games of course, just that indie games require word of mouth to become big, while something like Octopath is riding high on its developer name. Finally, I usually dont express bitterness towards what happened in 2015, I mostly just express nothing. Im not vengeful and do not judge Undertale differently because of it. I played it because of the contest too! It was quite enjoyable. I will however use this match as an opportunity to laugh at all the many people claiming that their love for Undertale was endless and that they truly did believe it was the greatest game ever made instead of being the hot new flavor of the time. Seriously, its one of the biggest moments of what did we tell you?. I didnt mind using a flavor of the month kind of logic to vote in the contest, but the people saying so look so silly looking back. Almost none of them truly believed that, but just couldnt realize it when confronted about it back then. Undertale is not the phenomenon the internet allowed it to be briefly, its not an all time great and its not the best game ever made anywhere. Its just a pretty good and creative indie game with solid replay value. In that regard, its a shame it couldnt get a winnable match when so many indie games could, but it had its fun last time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keltiq 05/18/20 4:21:53 AM #63:	Undertale is still my favourite game of all time. --- Heap your praises upon the Guru of Gurus, azuarc! Ultimate champion of Game of the Decade 2! <cite>Keltiq posted [p:939329900] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Undertale is still my favourite game of all time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 4:54:15 AM #64:	Yeah, I put "almost" there for a reason, and respect to the people that meant it! It's just clearly not many, alhough I'm sure a lot of them would not admit so if asked. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939330343] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I put "almost" there for a reason, and respect to the people that meant it! It's just clearly not many, alhough I'm sure a lot of them would not admit so if asked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/18/20 4:55:06 AM #65:	I admit Octopath Traveler is one of the many games in this contest which had I known more about it, I might have picked differently. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939330351] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I admit Octopath Traveler is one of the many games in this contest which had I known more about it, I might have picked differently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 6:13:56 AM #66:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Shovel Knight 64.40% Dragons Dogma 35.60% Prediction Percentage 76.67% In a round where indie games were hyped to be as beastly as they were, this match should have served as a warning to us. We did expect worse of Shovel Knight on average though, so it probably only made the belief stronger, if it made any difference at all. Most were under the impression it was mostly indie games from the latter half of the decade that benefit, so what Shovel Knight did probably didnt matter much to our overall view. Dragons Dogma is also an unknown quantity so the result would have to be extreme to change any overall views. Im sure most of the people predicting a lower result simply ended up thinking that Dragons Dogma was a bit weaker than expected. The match should have served as an indie of just about how high an indie game could hope to reach. We were a bit back and forwards about what indie game was strongest. Everyone could agree that Shovel Knight was among the top, because of all the exposure and releases it has had. The best they could hope for were a doubling of Dragons Dogma. You can hear that doesnt sound too good, no one gave Dragons Dogma any chances today. The game was fine, but we wouldve probably forgotten about it if it hadnt gotten released on current generation consoles by now. I doubt it did the game many favors being released at a time where Devil May Cry was not thought the best of, when its basically Devil May Cry in disguise. Being able to beat it is not the most impressive feat. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939331457] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Shovel Knight 64.40% Dragons Dogma 35.60% Prediction Percentage 76.67% In a round where indie games were hyped to be as beastly as they were, this match should have served as a warning to us. We did expect worse of Shovel Knight on average though, so it probably only made the belief stronger, if it made any difference at all. Most were under the impression it was mostly indie games from the latter half of the decade that benefit, so what Shovel Knight did probably didnt matter much to our overall view. Dragons Dogma is also an unknown quantity so the result would have to be extreme to change any overall views. Im sure most of the people predicting a lower result simply ended up thinking that Dragons Dogma was a bit weaker than expected. The match should have served as an indie of just about how high an indie game could hope to reach. We were a bit back and forwards about what indie game was strongest. Everyone could agree that Shovel Knight was among the top, because of all the exposure and releases it has had. The best they could hope for were a doubling of Dragons Dogma. You can hear that doesnt sound too good, no one gave Dragons Dogma any chances today. The game was fine, but we wouldve probably forgotten about it if it hadnt gotten released on current generation consoles by now. I doubt it did the game many favors being released at a time where Devil May Cry was not thought the best of, when its basically Devil May Cry in disguise. Being able to beat it is not the most impressive feat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 9:31:33 AM #67:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Devil May Cry 5 57.41% Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 42.59% Prediction Percentage 70.37% Im honestly still surprised that this match went this way given recent contests and this one too. Devil May Cry 5 was supposed to win this match, the prediction percentage shows that most casual brackets agree. Being supposed to win the match has never stopped anything from dropping said match before, however. Board 8 expected that to happen here. It was close, but Tropical Freeze was the favorite to win and for good reason! Yet it just didnt come close, and it ends up looking really bad no matter how you spin things. It was in the match for just about 15 minutes, but that appeared to just be the board vote favoring it, perhaps because we thought it would win. Donkey Kong is known for being a choke artist. Not that its actually an ability. Yet last contest Donkey Kong made two consecutive upsets in his best attempt to throw that title away before doing slightly better on Vivi in their third match. While that was Donkey Kongs third loss, doing slightly better meant a lot. Vivi is clearly stronger than he used to be, partly because Final Fantasy IX is a lot more well remembered today than it used to be, but he was almost riding high on the Mario upset in 2013. Almost everything from Smash Bros had boosted that contest. Tropical Freeze was initially a Wii U game, but it was very popular and believed to be among the best Donkey Kong Country had offered after a previous disappointing title. Being a Wii U exclusive is no good, but it had been ported to Switch, so it shouldnt matter anymore that it used to be only on Wii U. Devil May Cry 5 was the best thing to come out of the franchise in many years, so people expected a close match, but picking the Switch game just seemed like the right idea in such a match. Not only was it not the right idea, the match wasnt even close! Not that its a huge win, but for a debated match, its not a good result. Was Devil May Cry 5 that good? Did we underestimate it? Dante has always been pretty good in these contests. The first and third games are great, most of us agree. It was the best idea for what happened here at the time that Devil May Cry 5 was simply pretty good. It doesnt look like it now unless you believe Super Mario Odyssey is indirectly stronger than Ultimate and there was a lot of rSFF in that match. Tropical Freeze is just bad, thats all there is to it. Then why is Tropical Freeze that bad? Nintendo was criticized for charging full price for the rerelease with basically no updates, so maybe it didnt help it as much as it should. I still dont think its the full explanation. Ive also heard people say that being a Wii U game is going to hurt you and no rerelease can help that. Bayonetta 2 is the other game where this is used as an explanation, but then just how beastly do you imagine Mario Kart 8 is if its hindered by being a Wii U game at first? It clearly is not. Unless you think Mario Kart games are similar enough to the point where one of them proxies the franchise, then the argument doesnt explain everything. Its still possible I suppose, but I think were left with Donkey Kong Country just being really bad, and that we clearly overestimated the strength of that franchise today because Donkey Kong isnt trash anymore. That Donkey Kong Country needs to be on SNES to be worth anything. The best of them is just alright here. Donkey Kong being iconic and boosting from Smash Bros doesnt mean his games are any better. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939335397] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Devil May Cry 5 57.41% Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 42.59% Prediction Percentage 70.37% Im honestly still surprised that this match went this way given recent contests and this one too. Devil May Cry 5 was supposed to win this match, the prediction percentage shows that most casual brackets agree. Being supposed to win the match has never stopped anything from dropping said match before, however. Board 8 expected that to happen here. It was close, but Tropical Freeze was the favorite to win and for good reason! Yet it just didnt come close, and it ends up looking really bad no matter how you spin things. It was in the match for just about 15 minutes, but that appeared to just be the board vote favoring it, perhaps because we thought it would win. Donkey Kong is known for being a choke artist. Not that its actually an ability. Yet last contest Donkey Kong made two consecutive upsets in his best attempt to throw that title away before doing slightly better on Vivi in their third match. While that was Donkey Kongs third loss, doing slightly better meant a lot. Vivi is clearly stronger than he used to be, partly because Final Fantasy IX is a lot more well remembered today than it used to be, but he was almost riding high on the Mario upset in 2013. Almost everything from Smash Bros had boosted that contest. Tropical Freeze was initially a Wii U game, but it was very popular and believed to be among the best Donkey Kong Country had offered after a previous disappointing title. Being a Wii U exclusive is no good, but it had been ported to Switch, so it shouldnt matter anymore that it used to be only on Wii U. Devil May Cry 5 was the best thing to come out of the franchise in many years, so people expected a close match, but picking the Switch game just seemed like the right idea in such a match. Not only was it not the right idea, the match wasnt even close! Not that its a huge win, but for a debated match, its not a good result. Was Devil May Cry 5 that good? Did we underestimate it? Dante has always been pretty good in these contests. The first and third games are great, most of us agree. It was the best idea for what happened here at the time that Devil May Cry 5 was simply pretty good. It doesnt look like it now unless you believe Super Mario Odyssey is indirectly stronger than Ultimate and there was a lot of rSFF in that match. Tropical Freeze is just bad, thats all there is to it. Then why is Tropical Freeze that bad? Nintendo was criticized for charging full price for the rerelease with basically no updates, so maybe it didnt help it as much as it should. I still dont think its the full explanation. Ive also heard people say that being a Wii U game is going to hurt you and no rerelease can help that. Bayonetta 2 is the other game where this is used as an explanation, but then just how beastly do you imagine Mario Kart 8 is if its hindered by being a Wii U game at first? It clearly is not. Unless you think Mario Kart games are similar enough to the point where one of them proxies the franchise, then the argument doesnt explain everything. Its still possible I suppose, but I think were left with Donkey Kong Country just being really bad, and that we clearly overestimated the strength of that franchise today because Donkey Kong isnt trash anymore. That Donkey Kong Country needs to be on SNES to be worth anything. The best of them is just alright here. Donkey Kong being iconic and boosting from Smash Bros doesnt mean his games are any better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arti 05/18/20 9:32:14 AM #68:	Octopath Traveler was also released for PC! It's no longer Switch exclusive. --- http://backloggery.com/articuno2001/sig.gif azuarc may not know the strength of songs in VGMC, but he conquered the guru in Game of the Decade 2! Congrats! <cite>Arti posted [p:939335417] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Octopath Traveler was also released for PC! It's no longer Switch exclusive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 10:23:59 AM #69:	Somehow that went past my head! I doubt it made that much of a difference here though. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939336916] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Somehow that went past my head! I doubt it made that much of a difference here though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 10:34:28 AM #70:	Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Super Mario Odyssey 85.97% Mortal Kombat 11 14.03% Prediction Percentage 91.57% Forget about almost everything else, this here is a good contender for weirdest result of the contest. We dont talk about it a lot, because the match was never in doubt and Super Mario Odyssey was expected to win big, but it has 86%! Thats an insane percentage in any match, but this match has just about no overlap between the games. Theyre as different as it gets. Furthermore, while we saw similar percentages elsewhere, that was against games no one knows about. This is against a Mortal Kombat game. Shouldnt they do a little bit better than this regardless of where the franchise is today? Only a single oracle predicted a better percentage for Odyssey that what it got, and he was in second. This is just beastly beyond sense. This match began the hype of Odyssey possibly upsetting Ultimate. They faced similar games, but Super Mario Odyssey faced the historically bigger franchise and did better. That opened peoples eyes. Prior to the contest, most people recalled how the Smash Bros game has been better than the Mario game on every single console except for N64 and didnt think more of it. Lets break this down for good measure. Super Mario is among the best games on the site and leagues ahead of the original Smash Bros, which isnt that great a game, but just a tease of the good things to come. Super Mario 64 is in all likelihood better than all Smash Games, but its also from a console and time we value higher. Melee are leagues ahead of Super Mario Sunshine, most of which can be credited to the mixed feelings about Sunshine. We can debate forever about how strong the following Smash games are because theyve become mostly obsolete and we will most likely never see them again. Regardless, at the time of being the most recent game in the franchise, Brawl was way better than Super Mario Galaxy despite the latter being decent, and Smash 4 was way better than 3D World, which we will never see in a contest now that it was excluded from this one. Also, all the Smash games wouldve beaten all the Mario games just mentioned except Super Mario 64. Odyssey did however have its small amount of support with most of them being among our best experts. A lot of this had to do with speculation and doubt about Ultimate, but it was also that Super Mario Odyssey is most likely the strongest game since Super Mario 64, similar to how Breath of the Wild is since Ocarina of Time. It was completely overshadowed by Breath of the Wild in all Game of the Year polls, but we also saw Super Mario 64 getting murdered by Ocarina of Time in 2004 before coming back to beat Chrono Trigger in 2009 despite another Mario game being in the poll. Fans are extremely passionate about Super Mario Odyssey and it shows. Theres a lot more to say about Ultimate vs. Odyssey in future matches, but its hard to argue Super Mario Odyssey did not have the better round 1. When that is said, we also need the friendly reminder of how little worth there is in comparing matches that are blowouts as big as these. Finally, back to Mortal Kombat 11. What in the world happened here? The x-stats have it at near bottom. The unadjusted stats are obviously worse to it because of the layers of SFF it got buried under, which leaves at it at second to last ahead of only INSIDE, but even being kind in adjustments puts it below every single game we know what is, including disliked stuff such as Dota 2 and Fortnite. It folded so badly. I know that Mortal Kombat is far from what it used to be, but its not disliked as severely as this suggests. Did almost everyone just stop caring about it? Super Mario Odyssey is very well respected, it likely has close to no one voting against it because they dislike it, but it appears here that roughly 14% of the site care more about Mortal Kombat than Mario and that every single person that cares about both or neither prefers Mario. Ill be scared of picking a Mortal Kombat character to win much in the future of the franchise name couldnt save it from this enormous embarrassment. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939337238] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 3 Day 6 Super Mario Odyssey 85.97% Mortal Kombat 11 14.03% Prediction Percentage 91.57% Forget about almost everything else, this here is a good contender for weirdest result of the contest. We dont talk about it a lot, because the match was never in doubt and Super Mario Odyssey was expected to win big, but it has 86%! Thats an insane percentage in any match, but this match has just about no overlap between the games. Theyre as different as it gets. Furthermore, while we saw similar percentages elsewhere, that was against games no one knows about. This is against a Mortal Kombat game. Shouldnt they do a little bit better than this regardless of where the franchise is today? Only a single oracle predicted a better percentage for Odyssey that what it got, and he was in second. This is just beastly beyond sense. This match began the hype of Odyssey possibly upsetting Ultimate. They faced similar games, but Super Mario Odyssey faced the historically bigger franchise and did better. That opened peoples eyes. Prior to the contest, most people recalled how the Smash Bros game has been better than the Mario game on every single console except for N64 and didnt think more of it. Lets break this down for good measure. Super Mario is among the best games on the site and leagues ahead of the original Smash Bros, which isnt that great a game, but just a tease of the good things to come. Super Mario 64 is in all likelihood better than all Smash Games, but its also from a console and time we value higher. Melee are leagues ahead of Super Mario Sunshine, most of which can be credited to the mixed feelings about Sunshine. We can debate forever about how strong the following Smash games are because theyve become mostly obsolete and we will most likely never see them again. Regardless, at the time of being the most recent game in the franchise, Brawl was way better than Super Mario Galaxy despite the latter being decent, and Smash 4 was way better than 3D World, which we will never see in a contest now that it was excluded from this one. Also, all the Smash games wouldve beaten all the Mario games just mentioned except Super Mario 64. Odyssey did however have its small amount of support with most of them being among our best experts. A lot of this had to do with speculation and doubt about Ultimate, but it was also that Super Mario Odyssey is most likely the strongest game since Super Mario 64, similar to how Breath of the Wild is since Ocarina of Time. It was completely overshadowed by Breath of the Wild in all Game of the Year polls, but we also saw Super Mario 64 getting murdered by Ocarina of Time in 2004 before coming back to beat Chrono Trigger in 2009 despite another Mario game being in the poll. Fans are extremely passionate about Super Mario Odyssey and it shows. Theres a lot more to say about Ultimate vs. Odyssey in future matches, but its hard to argue Super Mario Odyssey did not have the better round 1. When that is said, we also need the friendly reminder of how little worth there is in comparing matches that are blowouts as big as these. Finally, back to Mortal Kombat 11. What in the world happened here? The x-stats have it at near bottom. The unadjusted stats are obviously worse to it because of the layers of SFF it got buried under, which leaves at it at second to last ahead of only INSIDE, but even being kind in adjustments puts it below every single game we know what is, including disliked stuff such as Dota 2 and Fortnite. It folded so badly. I know that Mortal Kombat is far from what it used to be, but its not disliked as severely as this suggests. Did almost everyone just stop caring about it? Super Mario Odyssey is very well respected, it likely has close to no one voting against it because they dislike it, but it appears here that roughly 14% of the site care more about Mortal Kombat than Mario and that every single person that cares about both or neither prefers Mario. Ill be scared of picking a Mortal Kombat character to win much in the future of the franchise name couldnt save it from this enormous embarrassment. </quote> ... 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LinkMarioSamus 05/18/20 10:43:21 AM #71:	Devil May Cry 5 was my gut pick to win that match because direct extrapolation has Dante beating DK by a narrow margin and they were in the same division, but then I realized that Dante's reputation as a choker means DK would probably be the board favorite to win that. Plus I didn't want to underestimate DK for a third contest in a row (though I did have DKC2 > Xenoblade and DK > Tidus). --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939337555] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Devil May Cry 5 was my gut pick to win that match because direct extrapolation has Dante beating DK by a narrow margin and they were in the same division, but then I realized that Dante's reputation as a choker means DK would probably be the board favorite to win that. Plus I didn't want to underestimate DK for a third contest in a row (though I did have DKC2 > Xenoblade and DK > Tidus). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swirIdude 05/18/20 10:58:20 AM #72:	Requiring votes in every match really helped big name games like Odyssey against fodder games that the apathetic voter definitely did not care about. --- Azuarc is my favorite arc of the Game of the Decade 2020 anime. <cite>swirIdude posted [p:939338081] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Requiring votes in every match really helped big name games like Odyssey against fodder games that the apathetic voter definitely did not care about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MechanicalWall 05/18/20 11:03:28 AM #73:	swirIdude posted... Requiring votes in every match really helped big name games like Odyssey against fodder games that the apathetic voter definitely did not care about. Yah if the required vote thing ever gets ditched I can see a lot of the x-stats we have right now being rendered obsolete; maybe not at the higher levels, but definitely at the bottom and middle. Quick, if you haven't played either game, do you vote for the universally derided Mass Effect 3, or the massively beloved Witcher 3? --- If you're only on this board to whine about "SJWs", please redirect whatever you type on to the nearest trash can. And hop in after it. <cite>MechanicalWall posted [p:939338274] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>swirIdude posted... </cite> <quote>Requiring votes in every match really helped big name games like Odyssey against fodder games that the apathetic voter definitely did not care about.</quote>Yah if the required vote thing ever gets ditched I can see a lot of the x-stats we have right now being rendered obsolete; maybe not at the higher levels, but definitely at the bottom and middle. Quick, if you haven't played either game, do you vote for the universally derided Mass Effect 3, or the massively beloved Witcher 3? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 11:10:50 AM #74:	I'm just surprised at how much it does. Like, basically all voters that care for neither game seemed to prefer Super Mario Odyssey there. It's an extreme case, when the losing game is something everyone knows what is. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939338517] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I'm just surprised at how much it does. Like, basically all voters that care for neither game seemed to prefer Super Mario Odyssey there. It's an extreme case, when the losing game is something everyone knows what is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZenOfThunder 05/18/20 1:10:59 PM #75:	i think it's a case of smartvoterfaqs too, people really took into account the GotD title, so if you're going to be asked to pick between one of the (if not THE) best mario games of all time OR one of THREE nearly identical MK games from this decade which one are you going to vote for? --- (\|\| ' ' \|\|) drooling while eating . /\|_\|\ [azuarc] <cite>ZenOfThunder posted [p:939343629] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>i think it's a case of smartvoterfaqs too, people really took into account the GotD title, so if you're going to be asked to pick between one of the (if not THE) best mario games of all time OR one of THREE nearly identical MK games from this decade which one are you going to vote for? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 1:55:23 PM #76:	Good point too. I'll edit some of the points I missed into the write-ups on the wiki at some point. I've written a small list, so do keep making them! --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939345688] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Good point too. I'll edit some of the points I missed into the write-ups on the wiki at some point. I've written a small list, so do keep making them! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 1:55:44 PM #77:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Grand Theft Auto V 79.27% Baba is You 20.73% Prediction Percentage 95.06% Considering Grand Theft Auto V was a #1 seed in Best Game Ever, it should surprise absolutely no one that it would also be that in Game of the Decade. Once again, its a recipe for disaster, because its not one of the 8 strongest games in the bracket and not close to either. Its division looked to be among the worst. Of course, thats partly because of itself being the #1 seed. Yet it was enough for a a fair share of people picking it to win the division. The far most popular opinion however was that the Nintendo game coming out of the lower half would beat it, if Persona 4 Golden or maybe even Read Dead Redemption didnt get to do the honor first. Even Cuphead had been a fun little upset worth taking for a few people before the contest. Indie games were seemingly on a new level this contest and many expected Cuphead to be the best of them. All three winning games today both looked pretty good today facing similar fodder. It appeared GTAV would be in trouble if it could not impress against Baba is You. I think it looks pretty good all things today. Most people likely dont recall it doing well, because GTA has just about as bad a board vote as it gets. If you have that and the match isnt close, people are unlikely to come back and notice how much you rose over the course of the day. It had only 71% at the freeze. Cuphead had 74% at the freeze and was expected to be facing the better game. Even though GTAV rose to heaven from there and Cuphead dropped quite a bit, people were still hyped about the possible upset for days to come until the word that the percentages changed significantly had spread enough at least. Baba is You ends up being near bottom of the x-stats to the surprise of not a single person. Even so, I think getting almost 80% on something when youre as disliked at GTA is pretty great. Baba is You is probably also among the hardest fodder for GTAV to look great against, simply because its as different from it as it gets. The simple design catches your eye almost immediately among these 8 games, surely more so if Cuphead wasnt next to it. Im surprised it made it in, though it was of course only barely. I played the game during the contest because of seeing it here and because of its name. Ive been nicknamed Baba in real life a few places before and I had enough coins on Nintendo Switch to get almost free, so I gave it a go. Unless you use guides in which case its obviously super easy, its probably one of the contenders for most difficult game in the bracket. This is the only one Ive played so far because of the contest, but I mention it because its a small side effect of these contests Ive always really liked. When we spontaneously try out and enjoy games because they were in the contest, that we mightve played otherwise. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939345705] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Grand Theft Auto V 79.27% Baba is You 20.73% Prediction Percentage 95.06% Considering Grand Theft Auto V was a #1 seed in Best Game Ever, it should surprise absolutely no one that it would also be that in Game of the Decade. Once again, its a recipe for disaster, because its not one of the 8 strongest games in the bracket and not close to either. Its division looked to be among the worst. Of course, thats partly because of itself being the #1 seed. Yet it was enough for a a fair share of people picking it to win the division. The far most popular opinion however was that the Nintendo game coming out of the lower half would beat it, if Persona 4 Golden or maybe even Read Dead Redemption didnt get to do the honor first. Even Cuphead had been a fun little upset worth taking for a few people before the contest. Indie games were seemingly on a new level this contest and many expected Cuphead to be the best of them. All three winning games today both looked pretty good today facing similar fodder. It appeared GTAV would be in trouble if it could not impress against Baba is You. I think it looks pretty good all things today. Most people likely dont recall it doing well, because GTA has just about as bad a board vote as it gets. If you have that and the match isnt close, people are unlikely to come back and notice how much you rose over the course of the day. It had only 71% at the freeze. Cuphead had 74% at the freeze and was expected to be facing the better game. Even though GTAV rose to heaven from there and Cuphead dropped quite a bit, people were still hyped about the possible upset for days to come until the word that the percentages changed significantly had spread enough at least. Baba is You ends up being near bottom of the x-stats to the surprise of not a single person. Even so, I think getting almost 80% on something when youre as disliked at GTA is pretty great. Baba is You is probably also among the hardest fodder for GTAV to look great against, simply because its as different from it as it gets. The simple design catches your eye almost immediately among these 8 games, surely more so if Cuphead wasnt next to it. Im surprised it made it in, though it was of course only barely. I played the game during the contest because of seeing it here and because of its name. Ive been nicknamed Baba in real life a few places before and I had enough coins on Nintendo Switch to get almost free, so I gave it a go. Unless you use guides in which case its obviously super easy, its probably one of the contenders for most difficult game in the bracket. This is the only one Ive played so far because of the contest, but I mention it because its a small side effect of these contests Ive always really liked. When we spontaneously try out and enjoy games because they were in the contest, that we mightve played otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gall 05/18/20 2:04:46 PM #78:	Funny thing is, I gave Dragon's Dogma a lot of credit. Enough credit where I thought it would win its fourpack. So at the time, I saw Shovel Knight handily beating it as more fuel for the "indies are strong" train. Is it really like Devil May Cry? Because I've never even played it, but I was under the impression that it was like a western RPG. I do know it has a dedicated fanbase that's been playing for years, but they obviously didn't show up to vote. --- Toss a win to your azuarc O guru of GotD <cite>Gall posted [p:939346150] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Funny thing is, I gave Dragon's Dogma a lot of credit. Enough credit where I thought it would win its fourpack. So at the time, I saw Shovel Knight handily beating it as more fuel for the "indies are strong" train. Is it really like Devil May Cry? Because I've never even played it, but I was under the impression that it was like a western RPG. I do know it has a dedicated fanbase that's been playing for years, but they obviously didn't show up to vote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/18/20 2:05:09 PM #79:	I played SOTC because of GOTD. I regret nothing. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939346162] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I played SOTC because of GOTD. I regret nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 2:54:02 PM #80:	Gall posted... Funny thing is, I gave Dragon's Dogma a lot of credit. Enough credit where I thought it would win its fourpack. So at the time, I saw Shovel Knight handily beating it as more fuel for the "indies are strong" train. Is it really like Devil May Cry? Because I've never even played it, but I was under the impression that it was like a western RPG. I do know it has a dedicated fanbase that's been playing for years, but they obviously didn't show up to vote. I haven't played it either, so I'm not sure how alike they are, but they're similar and made by the same people. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939348530] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Gall posted... </cite> <quote>Funny thing is, I gave Dragon's Dogma a lot of credit. Enough credit where I thought it would win its fourpack. So at the time, I saw Shovel Knight handily beating it as more fuel for the "indies are strong" train. Is it really like Devil May Cry? Because I've never even played it, but I was under the impression that it was like a western RPG. I do know it has a dedicated fanbase that's been playing for years, but they obviously didn't show up to vote.</quote> I haven't played it either, so I'm not sure how alike they are, but they're similar and made by the same people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 2:54:16 PM #81:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Cuphead 68.28% XCOM 2 31.72% Prediction Percentage 77.96% Cuphead was very well received upon release, being among the leading contenders for strongest indie game in the bracket. Unfortunately, it had a pretty predictable path, but there were a group of people that took the upset against GTAV in the following round. The number ended up being smaller in the oracle than in the guru, but if we had a tally the day before the round 1 matches, Im sure it would be higher. Indie games had been huge and had been winning matches they were not expecting to. Being an #8 seed, that task was tougher for Cuphead, but at least it got the one #1 seed that could hoped to be beaten already. Cuphead itself looked a fine deal better than what was expected of it. It had easily the smallest blowout of the day, but most people agreed it was facing the strongest of the losing games, which on this side of the contest look to be true. Not that XCOM 2 is worth much mind you, we just had a solid amount of fodder going out today. Round 1 was a lot about taking out the trash and today is one of the most extreme cases if that, as 31% was the highest a losing game got. Im not saying anything is wrong with XCOM, its just not exactly the type of game we care very much. Itd probably do better if it had been released on Switch before the contest and not shortly afterwards, but it still wouldnt have made a difference in many matches, certainly not this one. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939348544] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Cuphead 68.28% XCOM 2 31.72% Prediction Percentage 77.96% Cuphead was very well received upon release, being among the leading contenders for strongest indie game in the bracket. Unfortunately, it had a pretty predictable path, but there were a group of people that took the upset against GTAV in the following round. The number ended up being smaller in the oracle than in the guru, but if we had a tally the day before the round 1 matches, Im sure it would be higher. Indie games had been huge and had been winning matches they were not expecting to. Being an #8 seed, that task was tougher for Cuphead, but at least it got the one #1 seed that could hoped to be beaten already. Cuphead itself looked a fine deal better than what was expected of it. It had easily the smallest blowout of the day, but most people agreed it was facing the strongest of the losing games, which on this side of the contest look to be true. Not that XCOM 2 is worth much mind you, we just had a solid amount of fodder going out today. Round 1 was a lot about taking out the trash and today is one of the most extreme cases if that, as 31% was the highest a losing game got. Im not saying anything is wrong with XCOM, its just not exactly the type of game we care very much. Itd probably do better if it had been released on Switch before the contest and not shortly afterwards, but it still wouldnt have made a difference in many matches, certainly not this one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 3:34:04 PM #82:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Persona 4 Golden 77.77% FTL: Faster Than Light 22.23% Prediction Percentage 88.36% Persona 4 Golden was probably one of the most exciting entrants to the contest in every sense. How would it boost from the huge success of Persona 5? How much would it matter that its a remake? On top of that its a remake of a game that was released before this decade and thus its eligibility is up for debate? How much would it matter that its a Vita exclusive, when the Vita is a good contender for last console you want to be exclusive to? The range of contest strength we believed it could be in was bigger than what most games had, and it had the perfect bracket placement for its run to be as exciting as it gets too. It was never going to lose in round 1, even if all the things that I mentioned before went against it as much as possible. However, you could make a case for it losing in rounds 2, 3, 4 and 5. For how many games can you make reasonable different brackets that has it losing in so many different rounds. We often see an early match that is important because we know the winner will advance several times. This isnt even that! It could reasonably lose in any of those rounds and its a good reason as to why division 4 was perhaps the most important division in the bracket and the most difficult one to get perfect. It was hard to determine much of Persona 4s future in the contest from this match though. Read Dead Redemption delivered a similar blowout. You could argue which losing game is better, but at these percentages that barely matters. Both games also had reasons for potential anti-votes. For P4G that would be the aforementioned status as a remake that a lot fewer people played than the original. FTL is exclusive to PC, which is also something you really dont want to be exclusive to in a GameFAQs contest. Unlike our Vita exclusive, its also not a genre we particularly care for. Its fine, but it was no surprise to see it end up as badly as it did. I sure hope that there are people appreciating all these fodder games got in, because these are the kind of matches were getting as a result. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939350504] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Persona 4 Golden 77.77% FTL: Faster Than Light 22.23% Prediction Percentage 88.36% Persona 4 Golden was probably one of the most exciting entrants to the contest in every sense. How would it boost from the huge success of Persona 5? How much would it matter that its a remake? On top of that its a remake of a game that was released before this decade and thus its eligibility is up for debate? How much would it matter that its a Vita exclusive, when the Vita is a good contender for last console you want to be exclusive to? The range of contest strength we believed it could be in was bigger than what most games had, and it had the perfect bracket placement for its run to be as exciting as it gets too. It was never going to lose in round 1, even if all the things that I mentioned before went against it as much as possible. However, you could make a case for it losing in rounds 2, 3, 4 and 5. For how many games can you make reasonable different brackets that has it losing in so many different rounds. We often see an early match that is important because we know the winner will advance several times. This isnt even that! It could reasonably lose in any of those rounds and its a good reason as to why division 4 was perhaps the most important division in the bracket and the most difficult one to get perfect. It was hard to determine much of Persona 4s future in the contest from this match though. Read Dead Redemption delivered a similar blowout. You could argue which losing game is better, but at these percentages that barely matters. Both games also had reasons for potential anti-votes. For P4G that would be the aforementioned status as a remake that a lot fewer people played than the original. FTL is exclusive to PC, which is also something you really dont want to be exclusive to in a GameFAQs contest. Unlike our Vita exclusive, its also not a genre we particularly care for. Its fine, but it was no surprise to see it end up as badly as it did. I sure hope that there are people appreciating all these fodder games got in, because these are the kind of matches were getting as a result. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 3:49:26 PM #83:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Red Dead Redemption 78.87% Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective 21.13% Prediction Percentage 94.77% Red Dead Redemption was an exciting entry to have back again. It looked fine in 2015 all things considered, and it recently got a very well received sequel which could boost the franchise name. Unlike in 2015, it did not have a predictable a path. Any possible Rockstar hierarchy is not something we have seen before as the games usually dont get far enough to meet. Before that there was Persona 4 Golden to worry about. P4G vs. RDR was one of the most discussed round 2 matches both before and during the contest, though most of the discussion centered around the potential P4G had. Today they had similar enough high percentages against super weak games for us to not be any closer to a conclusion of that match. The board vote today was of course nothing short of hilarious. On one side we have a Rockstar game, which is not board 8s cup of tea. On the other side, we have a game from the developer of Ace Attorney in the same genre, which is as much board 8s cup of tea as it possible gets. It has always been amusing how it is so. Perhaps there is some overlap between interest in contests and interest in those games. Of course, Ghost Trick is not as big, but its still right down our ballpark. Ghost Trick has the honor of being one of only three games from the DS to make the bracket, the other ones being Pokemon HGSS, which is a remake and from 2009 in Japan, and Call of Duty: Black Ops which I can say with certainly that not a single person nominated because of its DS port and Im sure it being released on DS is news to some people too. So congratulations to Ghost Trick I suppose! The DS is a wonderful console no doubt, but its a long time ago by now. Even the representation of the 3DS is quite limited. Its not like were missing out on much. 2010 was the last year of DS before the 3DS released. The biggest snub is easily generation 5 Pokemon, which couldve made it in. Then theres a Golden Sun and a Harvest Moon, but Im not surprised they didnt make it. The real surprise to me is that there is no Ace Attorney game in the bracket with Ghost Trick being the closest thing to a representative. Did we forget or what happened? Board 8 controls the nomination to such a big extend that it sure feels weird. Metacritic matters too, but games of worse critics have made it in. I have never played Ace Attorney myself despite being here for so long, so I dont know much about them. It might simply be that the more recent ones arent as well liked, so we did not care enough for them, but I still cant help but be a bit surprised. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939351294] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 7 Red Dead Redemption 78.87% Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective 21.13% Prediction Percentage 94.77% Red Dead Redemption was an exciting entry to have back again. It looked fine in 2015 all things considered, and it recently got a very well received sequel which could boost the franchise name. Unlike in 2015, it did not have a predictable a path. Any possible Rockstar hierarchy is not something we have seen before as the games usually dont get far enough to meet. Before that there was Persona 4 Golden to worry about. P4G vs. RDR was one of the most discussed round 2 matches both before and during the contest, though most of the discussion centered around the potential P4G had. Today they had similar enough high percentages against super weak games for us to not be any closer to a conclusion of that match. The board vote today was of course nothing short of hilarious. On one side we have a Rockstar game, which is not board 8s cup of tea. On the other side, we have a game from the developer of Ace Attorney in the same genre, which is as much board 8s cup of tea as it possible gets. It has always been amusing how it is so. Perhaps there is some overlap between interest in contests and interest in those games. Of course, Ghost Trick is not as big, but its still right down our ballpark. Ghost Trick has the honor of being one of only three games from the DS to make the bracket, the other ones being Pokemon HGSS, which is a remake and from 2009 in Japan, and Call of Duty: Black Ops which I can say with certainly that not a single person nominated because of its DS port and Im sure it being released on DS is news to some people too. So congratulations to Ghost Trick I suppose! The DS is a wonderful console no doubt, but its a long time ago by now. Even the representation of the 3DS is quite limited. Its not like were missing out on much. 2010 was the last year of DS before the 3DS released. The biggest snub is easily generation 5 Pokemon, which couldve made it in. Then theres a Golden Sun and a Harvest Moon, but Im not surprised they didnt make it. The real surprise to me is that there is no Ace Attorney game in the bracket with Ghost Trick being the closest thing to a representative. Did we forget or what happened? Board 8 controls the nomination to such a big extend that it sure feels weird. Metacritic matters too, but games of worse critics have made it in. I have never played Ace Attorney myself despite being here for so long, so I dont know much about them. It might simply be that the more recent ones arent as well liked, so we did not care enough for them, but I still cant help but be a bit surprised. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 4:53:58 PM #84:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Xenoblade Chronicles 78.43% Splatoon 2 21.57% Prediction Percentage 77.66% In a contest where everything released in 2017 manages to look good in the end, even things like Resident Evil 7 and Ys VIII that had all odds against them, Splatoon 2 sure just rolled over and died. I mean sure, this is a SFF beatdown, and sure, Xenoblade Chronicles turned out to be very good, but this still looks bad on the other side of the contest unless there is A LOT of SFF. Splatoon isnt exactly the franchise that is in line with GameFAQs the most. Its respected to some extend for being a decent new IP. The sequel is basically just the first game with continued updates because they needed it on Switch instead. Story Mode is fun in both games, but its mostly just more of the same. Even so, the original Splatoon managed to hold Metal Gear Solid below 80% last contest. Its difficult for me to see the second one being any worse than that. At worst, it would be the same, but I have a really hard time seeing being released on Switch and getting Smash representation not doing the name any favors. This could be Zelda levels of SFF then, and it might be hard at first to think Xenoblade could be capable of that given that it has been a bit niche even though loved by most that played it. However, Splatoon is exactly the type of game you should extend to roll over and die when facing SFF. Nintendo fans like it well enough, but its no ones favorite. At least not on our site. As soon as it faces something people have strong feelings for, everyone will turn to the other game. Xenoblade also isnt as niche as it used to be since it got Smash representation and spawned more games. Its also coming on Switch very soon! Regardless of any SFF, Xenoblade instantly became the favorite to win the division. A lot of people thought the winner of Xenoblade and Three Houses would go the final 8. The match against a potential Rockstar game reminded everyone of San Andreas against Golden Sun a decade ago and we know what to pick now. Three Houses was the favorite because of a combination of two things. Xenoblade and Fire Emblem: Awakening lost to the same opponent by an almost equal amount in 2015, and everyone expected Three Houses to be stronger than Awakening. Today, Xenoblade exceeded expectations by quite a lot. Three Houses also underperformed a bit, but that wasnt enough for Xenoblade. Obviously, an SFF match is never the best way to measure anything, but it was already hard to argue Xenoblade took the title as favorite instantly. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939354231] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Xenoblade Chronicles 78.43% Splatoon 2 21.57% Prediction Percentage 77.66% In a contest where everything released in 2017 manages to look good in the end, even things like Resident Evil 7 and Ys VIII that had all odds against them, Splatoon 2 sure just rolled over and died. I mean sure, this is a SFF beatdown, and sure, Xenoblade Chronicles turned out to be very good, but this still looks bad on the other side of the contest unless there is A LOT of SFF. Splatoon isnt exactly the franchise that is in line with GameFAQs the most. Its respected to some extend for being a decent new IP. The sequel is basically just the first game with continued updates because they needed it on Switch instead. Story Mode is fun in both games, but its mostly just more of the same. Even so, the original Splatoon managed to hold Metal Gear Solid below 80% last contest. Its difficult for me to see the second one being any worse than that. At worst, it would be the same, but I have a really hard time seeing being released on Switch and getting Smash representation not doing the name any favors. This could be Zelda levels of SFF then, and it might be hard at first to think Xenoblade could be capable of that given that it has been a bit niche even though loved by most that played it. However, Splatoon is exactly the type of game you should extend to roll over and die when facing SFF. Nintendo fans like it well enough, but its no ones favorite. At least not on our site. As soon as it faces something people have strong feelings for, everyone will turn to the other game. Xenoblade also isnt as niche as it used to be since it got Smash representation and spawned more games. Its also coming on Switch very soon! Regardless of any SFF, Xenoblade instantly became the favorite to win the division. A lot of people thought the winner of Xenoblade and Three Houses would go the final 8. The match against a potential Rockstar game reminded everyone of San Andreas against Golden Sun a decade ago and we know what to pick now. Three Houses was the favorite because of a combination of two things. Xenoblade and Fire Emblem: Awakening lost to the same opponent by an almost equal amount in 2015, and everyone expected Three Houses to be stronger than Awakening. Today, Xenoblade exceeded expectations by quite a lot. Three Houses also underperformed a bit, but that wasnt enough for Xenoblade. Obviously, an SFF match is never the best way to measure anything, but it was already hard to argue Xenoblade took the title as favorite instantly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/18/20 5:16:04 PM #85:	I figured Xenoblade would have improved in stature since 2015, but I might just hear a lot about the game because I watch so much of The Runaway Guys. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939355257] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I figured Xenoblade would have improved in stature since 2015, but I might just hear a lot about the game because I watch so much of The Runaway Guys. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 5:21:28 PM #86:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Overwatch 55.90% Death Stranding 44.10% Prediction Percentage 72.66% This was a fun match in the sense that both games had a chance of being really bad on this site. It was essentially a matter of what game would be anti-voted the least, neither is particularly liked here. Its been a long time since anything from Blizzard had success here. The only real success anything had is probably when Diablo reached the semi-finals of the contest. The games have never been fodder here, theyve just not been as good as theyve on a lot of other sides, despite stuff like World of Warcraft having some of our most popular FAQs. Both Overwatch and Death Stranding did just alright in their respective Game of the Year polls. Not fantastic, but both looked like something that could win a match if they got the right one. Overwatch just barely beat DOOM, which looked like a beast not many days prior, but was also fresh off the release of DOOM Eternal. Both of them were behind Final Fantasy XV, Uncharted 4 and Pokemon Sun and Moon, which doesnt sound too great. Death Stranding was just behind Bloodstained and just ahead of Devil May Cry 5, which by their recent results looks good enough. It was then behind Sekiro and Resident Evil 2. The polls suggested that would be somewhat close, so you had to go with your gut feeling of how theyd do in a contest setting. Theyre both games that Id expect to do better in multi-ways polls, because they have their supporters, its just not that many. The percentages seem to agree. Overwatch is past the days where it got all too much attention, its probably not disliked too much at this point if it ever were. Death Stranding is a lot more recent, but it also a lot more our type of game. It can be argued that the match came down to something like Death Stranding being disliked more, but I dont think thats what it is. Look at the prediction percentage? It came down to bracket votes. I dont think Overwatch being the top option mattered any, that wouldve only mattered when making the bracket since the games are side by side now. Overwatch was probably favored by quite a bit because its the more known name. The match is close enough and the votals low enough. I think bracket votes decided this one and it doesnt matter all that much, because the winner was never getting past Xenoblade even before Xenoblade exceeded expectations. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939355492] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Overwatch 55.90% Death Stranding 44.10% Prediction Percentage 72.66% This was a fun match in the sense that both games had a chance of being really bad on this site. It was essentially a matter of what game would be anti-voted the least, neither is particularly liked here. Its been a long time since anything from Blizzard had success here. The only real success anything had is probably when Diablo reached the semi-finals of the contest. The games have never been fodder here, theyve just not been as good as theyve on a lot of other sides, despite stuff like World of Warcraft having some of our most popular FAQs. Both Overwatch and Death Stranding did just alright in their respective Game of the Year polls. Not fantastic, but both looked like something that could win a match if they got the right one. Overwatch just barely beat DOOM, which looked like a beast not many days prior, but was also fresh off the release of DOOM Eternal. Both of them were behind Final Fantasy XV, Uncharted 4 and Pokemon Sun and Moon, which doesnt sound too great. Death Stranding was just behind Bloodstained and just ahead of Devil May Cry 5, which by their recent results looks good enough. It was then behind Sekiro and Resident Evil 2. The polls suggested that would be somewhat close, so you had to go with your gut feeling of how theyd do in a contest setting. Theyre both games that Id expect to do better in multi-ways polls, because they have their supporters, its just not that many. The percentages seem to agree. Overwatch is past the days where it got all too much attention, its probably not disliked too much at this point if it ever were. Death Stranding is a lot more recent, but it also a lot more our type of game. It can be argued that the match came down to something like Death Stranding being disliked more, but I dont think thats what it is. Look at the prediction percentage? It came down to bracket votes. I dont think Overwatch being the top option mattered any, that wouldve only mattered when making the bracket since the games are side by side now. Overwatch was probably favored by quite a bit because its the more known name. The match is close enough and the votals low enough. I think bracket votes decided this one and it doesnt matter all that much, because the winner was never getting past Xenoblade even before Xenoblade exceeded expectations. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_SecretSquirrel 05/18/20 5:37:14 PM #87:	I saw Overwatch vs. Death Stranding as being nearly identical to D'Va vs. Aloy from 2018. GameFAQs doesn't completely hate Overwatch, and will cast an apathy vote for it in fodder vs. fodder matches. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! <cite>_SecretSquirrel posted [p:939356153] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I saw Overwatch vs. Death Stranding as being nearly identical to D'Va vs. Aloy from 2018. GameFAQs doesn't completely hate Overwatch, and will cast an apathy vote for it in fodder vs. fodder matches. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anclation 05/18/20 5:40:56 PM #88:	ctesjbuvf posted... The real surprise to me is that there is no Ace Attorney game in the bracket with Ghost Trick being the closest thing to a representative. Did we forget or what happened? I guess Ace Attorney was among the games sacrificed to make room for laughably weak indie games with higher Metacritic scores (because gaming journalism isn't a total joke or anything). The series is certainly not dead, and I for one loved Spirit of Justice. --- Yeah... Sorry. <cite>Anclation posted [p:939356304] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite> <quote>The real surprise to me is that there is no Ace Attorney game in the bracket with Ghost Trick being the closest thing to a representative. Did we forget or what happened?</quote>I guess Ace Attorney was among the games sacrificed to make room for laughably weak indie games with higher Metacritic scores (because gaming journalism isn't a total joke or anything). The series is certainly not dead, and I for one loved Spirit of Justice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 6:27:18 PM #89:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Dragon Age: Inquisition 48.09% Ori and the Blind Forest 51.91% Prediction Percentage 38.19% This is one of the most hilarious matches of the whole round. It was not the most exciting contest round to be fair, but this one still fully delivered. Almost no one saw this coming before the contest began. There were some gurus that went ahead with the upset, but it wasnt a popular pick. Despite the success of indies so far, only two people had this in the oracle, and this match eliminated all but four remaining people in last man standing. The upset had been considered a bit during the contest, but we had seen indie games doing better than we expected them to, yet no one could really believe Ori was within striking distance in this match. Partly because Ori is from the middle of the decade and not from the last years, which seemed to be the best thing. Mostly because the match just wasnt expected to be close. The match was close within the first five minutes, but that was a huge sign that wed see an unexpected result. Ori was ahead at the freeze while being the underdog. The next update had everyone pretty excited, but it shouldnt have come as a surprise when Ori then jumped up quite a bit. It did the same thing the next update, and despite the match being close, it was never in doubt, and Ori never looked back. Dragon Age: Origins did pretty good in its Game of the Year poll and in the previous Game of the Decade. Nothing fantastic but enough to win a match like this for sure. It disappointed a bit against Super Mario Galaxy in 2015, but that was completely overshadowed by the fact that Super Metroid > Super Mario Galaxy suddenly became the clear result. It also wasnt enough to make much of it, but perhaps it was a small warning sign of decline. Dragon Age: Inquisition was never going to be as good as Origins, but man its still a hard fall. Ori and the Blind Forest was a for a while considered a contender for best indie game. It wasnt initially, but this surprised us all enough for it to be. It should be mentioned that I think its status as an indie game is a bit in grey. It started out as that, but Microsoft backed them for three of their four years of development. It had a lot of exposure at E3 before release. Most indie games just hope to be included in some montage. It doesnt make this result less impressive though! Dragon Age: Inquisition finished second in the 2014 Game of the Year polls behind only Smash 4. That means that judging from those, it should be the strongest 2014 representative in the contest. That means nothing though. 2014 is probably the worst year of the decade overall and I have a hard time seeing it beat Bravely Default or Bayonetta 2 today. Even South Park: The Stick of Truth looks to be within striking distance judging from this fourpack. It also obviously loses to Mario Kart 8, but they didnt share a poll then. I dont know what happened to Dragon Age, but it apparently fell off a huge cliff. Unless something big happens to that franchise, we should not have it coming back again. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939358298] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Dragon Age: Inquisition 48.09% Ori and the Blind Forest 51.91% Prediction Percentage 38.19% This is one of the most hilarious matches of the whole round. It was not the most exciting contest round to be fair, but this one still fully delivered. Almost no one saw this coming before the contest began. There were some gurus that went ahead with the upset, but it wasnt a popular pick. Despite the success of indies so far, only two people had this in the oracle, and this match eliminated all but four remaining people in last man standing. The upset had been considered a bit during the contest, but we had seen indie games doing better than we expected them to, yet no one could really believe Ori was within striking distance in this match. Partly because Ori is from the middle of the decade and not from the last years, which seemed to be the best thing. Mostly because the match just wasnt expected to be close. The match was close within the first five minutes, but that was a huge sign that wed see an unexpected result. Ori was ahead at the freeze while being the underdog. The next update had everyone pretty excited, but it shouldnt have come as a surprise when Ori then jumped up quite a bit. It did the same thing the next update, and despite the match being close, it was never in doubt, and Ori never looked back. Dragon Age: Origins did pretty good in its Game of the Year poll and in the previous Game of the Decade. Nothing fantastic but enough to win a match like this for sure. It disappointed a bit against Super Mario Galaxy in 2015, but that was completely overshadowed by the fact that Super Metroid > Super Mario Galaxy suddenly became the clear result. It also wasnt enough to make much of it, but perhaps it was a small warning sign of decline. Dragon Age: Inquisition was never going to be as good as Origins, but man its still a hard fall. Ori and the Blind Forest was a for a while considered a contender for best indie game. It wasnt initially, but this surprised us all enough for it to be. It should be mentioned that I think its status as an indie game is a bit in grey. It started out as that, but Microsoft backed them for three of their four years of development. It had a lot of exposure at E3 before release. Most indie games just hope to be included in some montage. It doesnt make this result less impressive though! Dragon Age: Inquisition finished second in the 2014 Game of the Year polls behind only Smash 4. That means that judging from those, it should be the strongest 2014 representative in the contest. That means nothing though. 2014 is probably the worst year of the decade overall and I have a hard time seeing it beat Bravely Default or Bayonetta 2 today. Even South Park: The Stick of Truth looks to be within striking distance judging from this fourpack. It also obviously loses to Mario Kart 8, but they didnt share a poll then. I dont know what happened to Dragon Age, but it apparently fell off a huge cliff. Unless something big happens to that franchise, we should not have it coming back again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 6:39:54 PM #90:	Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Fire Emblem: Three Houses 66.66% South Park: The Stick of Truth 33.34% Prediction Percentage 80.49% The red flag was up when Awakening had its match, but on top of Xenoblade overperforming, Three Houses looked nothing like a division winner now. I mean, full respect for going for the exact doubling. The percentages are there, it was just a few votes away. Thats satisfying. It was an underperformance however and Three Houses needed the opposite of that to still be considered the favorite to make it out of round 3 when Xenoblade was looking so good in the other match. Everyone knows what South Park is. The games are also well-liked enough. Theyre nothing big though, the seeding and the lack of the other one makes that clear. You should not believe it to be riding super high on the name alone, just because people know it. Everyone here knows Fire Emblem too so the forced voting shouldnt make much of a difference. Three Houses had to hope that somehow South Park was significantly better than expected or that Xenoblade SFFd Splatoon more than the already expected high amount. It didnt seem great for it. This match was another loss for 2019. Every game from that year looked off, except for remake of a 1998 game, which has a clear explanation for being a possible exception. Perhaps were too slow to try out new games these days. Thats certainly not something that would surprise me. Its also possible it was just a bad year, but relative to Resident Evil 2, the other things looked further away that the Game of the Year polls indicated. Perhaps Three Houses had some level of anti-votes behind it. The Smash Bros fanbase consists of some of the most whiny, greedy, and impatient people on the planet. Byleth, the main character of Three Houses, being revealed for Ultimate was not taken well among the fanbase. Fire Emblem had already been hated on for having too many representatives compared to what people thought it deserved and theyre also quite similar many of them. Then Byleth was the fifth character in a fighters pass that otherwise had only third party stuff. You can see where the disappointment comes from, but Smash fans dont get disappointed, they riot. I think its entirely possible that Three Houses was anti-voted because of it, but it had to be a bit for it to make a difference in the Xenoblade match as things looked now. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939358885] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 4 Day 8 Fire Emblem: Three Houses 66.66% South Park: The Stick of Truth 33.34% Prediction Percentage 80.49% The red flag was up when Awakening had its match, but on top of Xenoblade overperforming, Three Houses looked nothing like a division winner now. I mean, full respect for going for the exact doubling. The percentages are there, it was just a few votes away. Thats satisfying. It was an underperformance however and Three Houses needed the opposite of that to still be considered the favorite to make it out of round 3 when Xenoblade was looking so good in the other match. Everyone knows what South Park is. The games are also well-liked enough. Theyre nothing big though, the seeding and the lack of the other one makes that clear. You should not believe it to be riding super high on the name alone, just because people know it. Everyone here knows Fire Emblem too so the forced voting shouldnt make much of a difference. Three Houses had to hope that somehow South Park was significantly better than expected or that Xenoblade SFFd Splatoon more than the already expected high amount. It didnt seem great for it. This match was another loss for 2019. Every game from that year looked off, except for remake of a 1998 game, which has a clear explanation for being a possible exception. Perhaps were too slow to try out new games these days. Thats certainly not something that would surprise me. Its also possible it was just a bad year, but relative to Resident Evil 2, the other things looked further away that the Game of the Year polls indicated. Perhaps Three Houses had some level of anti-votes behind it. The Smash Bros fanbase consists of some of the most whiny, greedy, and impatient people on the planet. Byleth, the main character of Three Houses, being revealed for Ultimate was not taken well among the fanbase. Fire Emblem had already been hated on for having too many representatives compared to what people thought it deserved and theyre also quite similar many of them. Then Byleth was the fifth character in a fighters pass that otherwise had only third party stuff. You can see where the disappointment comes from, but Smash fans dont get disappointed, they riot. I think its entirely possible that Three Houses was anti-voted because of it, but it had to be a bit for it to make a difference in the Xenoblade match as things looked now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/18/20 7:00:49 PM #91:	ctesjbuvf posted... The real surprise to me is that there is no Ace Attorney game in the bracket with Ghost Trick being the closest thing to a representative. Did we forget or what happened? Board 8 controls the nomination to such a big extend that it sure feels weird. Metacritic matters too, but games of worse critics have made it in. I have never played Ace Attorney myself despite being here for so long, so I dont know much about them. It might simply be that the more recent ones arent as well liked, so we did not care enough for them, but I still cant help but be a bit surprised. i think the ace attorney fans couldn't come to a consensus on which game to nominate, which resulted in none of the games getting enough nominations to make the bracket. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939359775] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite> <quote>The real surprise to me is that there is no Ace Attorney game in the bracket with Ghost Trick being the closest thing to a representative. Did we forget or what happened? Board 8 controls the nomination to such a big extend that it sure feels weird. Metacritic matters too, but games of worse critics have made it in. I have never played Ace Attorney myself despite being here for so long, so I dont know much about them. It might simply be that the more recent ones arent as well liked, so we did not care enough for them, but I still cant help but be a bit surprised.</quote> i think the ace attorney fans couldn't come to a consensus on which game to nominate, which resulted in none of the games getting enough nominations to make the bracket. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/18/20 7:08:54 PM #92:	That marks the halfway point of round 1 and a quarter of everything. Any overall comments or suggestions so far? Not much of round 1 was very exciting, it was mostly just hyping future marches. I try to give an impression of how the board was thinking at the time versus what we know now actually happened in most matches. In some cases the latter is better served for a later match. I try to talk a bit about both games in the matches, mostly look at the losing game see if there's something there to be said. I also try not to derail from things relevant to the match very much. Occasionally, there's an opinion on a game to add some personality, and sometimes I discuss something I feel is worth discussing but isn't directly related to the match yet does not have a more obvious time and place. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939360089] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>That marks the halfway point of round 1 and a quarter of everything. Any overall comments or suggestions so far? Not much of round 1 was very exciting, it was mostly just hyping future marches. I try to give an impression of how the board was thinking at the time versus what we know now actually happened in most matches. In some cases the latter is better served for a later match. I try to talk a bit about both games in the matches, mostly look at the losing game see if there's something there to be said. I also try not to derail from things relevant to the match very much. Occasionally, there's an opinion on a game to add some personality, and sometimes I discuss something I feel is worth discussing but isn't directly related to the match yet does not have a more obvious time and place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_SecretSquirrel 05/18/20 7:21:47 PM #93:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i think the ace attorney fans couldn't come to a consensus on which game to nominate, which resulted in none of the games getting enough nominations to make the bracket. Yeah, this was already an issue for Ace Attorney in the past couple games contests with PW1 and PW3 scoring a 16 and a 15 seed in 2015. Now you decrease the popularity of the two games vying for the bracket, and increase the saturation of VNs competitng for the finite amount of nominations from people willing to nominate anything from the genre, and it's not that hard to see them missing the cut. Also, we only had 10 nominations, as opposed to 15 in the past, and I think that didn't help matters for DD and SoJ. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! <cite>_SecretSquirrel posted [p:939360613] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>i think the ace attorney fans couldn't come to a consensus on which game to nominate, which resulted in none of the games getting enough nominations to make the bracket.</quote>Yeah, this was already an issue for Ace Attorney in the past couple games contests with PW1 and PW3 scoring a 16 and a 15 seed in 2015. Now you decrease the popularity of the two games vying for the bracket, and increase the saturation of VNs competitng for the finite amount of nominations from people willing to nominate anything from the genre, and it's not that hard to see them missing the cut. Also, we only had 10 nominations, as opposed to 15 in the past, and I think that didn't help matters for DD and SoJ. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceOfKoopas 05/18/20 7:48:11 PM #94:	I dunno, I nominated both just fine...! --- For the best videogame commentary story on the Internet (sometimes featuring GameFAQs poll of the days and contest discussion) visit https://www.koopatv.org <cite>PrinceOfKoopas posted [p:939361784] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I dunno, I nominated both just fine...! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_SecretSquirrel 05/18/20 7:58:50 PM #95:	PrinceOfKoopas posted... I dunno, I nominated both just fine...! I nominated Spirit of Justice, but I would have need another five to find a spot for DD. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! <cite>_SecretSquirrel posted [p:939362224] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>PrinceOfKoopas posted... </cite> <quote>I dunno, I nominated both just fine...!</quote>I nominated Spirit of Justice, but I would have need another five to find a spot for DD. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/19/20 4:02:58 AM #96:	What happened to Dragon Age? BioWare's fall from grace is what happened. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939379460] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>What happened to Dragon Age? BioWare's fall from grace is what happened. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/19/20 4:45:26 AM #97:	That might well be it. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939380201] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>That might well be it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/19/20 5:02:43 AM #98:	Apparently even the staff at BioWare wish that Inquisition wasn't a hit, because it seemed to validate all the company's worst excesses to them. How harsh. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939380459] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Apparently even the staff at BioWare wish that Inquisition wasn't a hit, because it seemed to validate all the company's worst excesses to them. How harsh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Safer_777 05/19/20 5:20:24 AM #99:	I reallly liked DA 3 myself. Big open world and a lot of stuff to do. --- So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing? Azuarc the best Guru of the 2020 Contest! Nice job man! <cite>Safer_777 posted [p:939380753] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>I reallly liked DA 3 myself. Big open world and a lot of stuff to do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/19/20 6:10:32 PM #100:	new page --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939410428] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>new page </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/19/20 6:10:43 PM #101:	Round 1 Division 5 Day 9 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 84.07 Assassins Creed Odyssey 15.93% Prediction Percentage 92.23% The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt was one of the most hyped returning contestants from the 2015 contest. The game has become a huge phenomenon, widely regarding as being one of the best games of the decade anywhere, which has only increased since release. In 2015 it did not look all that great, being a bit behind GTAV. You had to bank on it increasing from there to keep it far, and some did! Taking it as far as the finals. The Witcher 3 is also being remembered for the comment on the contest CD Projekt Red made when being contacted in a rally attempt. They didnt notice it in time because of thanksgiving and wouldve liked to have been noticed further in advance so they could do something. That stuck with us. The Witcher 3 had some serious rally potential. Not that it would be needed today. Assassins Creed is way past its peak and Odyssey is easily the weakest of them to make the bracket. It was clear in 2015 that the franchise had fallen from grace by being trash in 2015. Ezio also looked way better in his debut than he did last time. They pumped out too many half-assed games too quickly and not even fans could keep up. Ive never played past the Ezio trilogy personally and it wasnt just because of lack of interest. One of the games would have to be seriously well received if I were to give it another go. I expected Assassins Creed to look absolutely terrible here. I remember when predicting percentage that I just kept going lower and lower on it and it just didnt seem right. The serious doesnt have many people caring about it any longer and I could see almost no one vote for it above The Witcher 3, one of the games that are always brought up anywhere when discussing Game of the Decade. Furthermore, Odyssey actually drew some inspiration from Witcher, causing them to be similar in some ways. The SFF hammer was in the hands of Geralt, and man, did it hit. Even if you expected anything Assassins Creed to be complete trash these days, this was a good performance. You could certainly be happy if you picked Witcher 3 to go far at this point. Though we still needed to see the other top finalist contenders in the bottom half. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:939410437] in ~~ Ctes' P... [t:78685615]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Division 5 Day 9 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 84.07 Assassins Creed Odyssey 15.93% Prediction Percentage 92.23% The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt was one of the most hyped returning contestants from the 2015 contest. The game has become a huge phenomenon, widely regarding as being one of the best games of the decade anywhere, which has only increased since release. In 2015 it did not look all that great, being a bit behind GTAV. You had to bank on it increasing from there to keep it far, and some did! Taking it as far as the finals. The Witcher 3 is also being remembered for the comment on the contest CD Projekt Red made when being contacted in a rally attempt. They didnt notice it in time because of thanksgiving and wouldve liked to have been noticed further in advance so they could do something. That stuck with us. The Witcher 3 had some serious rally potential. Not that it would be needed today. Assassins Creed is way past its peak and Odyssey is easily the weakest of them to make the bracket. It was clear in 2015 that the franchise had fallen from grace by being trash in 2015. Ezio also looked way better in his debut than he did last time. They pumped out too many half-assed games too quickly and not even fans could keep up. Ive never played past the Ezio trilogy personally and it wasnt just because of lack of interest. One of the games would have to be seriously well received if I were to give it another go. I expected Assassins Creed to look absolutely terrible here. I remember when predicting percentage that I just kept going lower and lower on it and it just didnt seem right. The serious doesnt have many people caring about it any longer and I could see almost no one vote for it above The Witcher 3, one of the games that are always brought up anywhere when discussing Game of the Decade. Furthermore, Odyssey actually drew some inspiration from Witcher, causing them to be similar in some ways. The SFF hammer was in the hands of Geralt, and man, did it hit. Even if you expected anything Assassins Creed to be complete trash these days, this was a good performance. You could certainly be happy if you picked Witcher 3 to go far at this point. Though we still needed to see the other top finalist contenders in the bottom half. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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