Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 283: I Don't Take Responsibility At All

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Espeon
03/16/20 9:53:11 AM
#401:


Obama in 2012, according to most people.

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Jakyl25
03/16/20 9:54:38 AM
#402:


I dont know how you can shit on Tim Kaine if you love Biden
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Dancedreamer
03/16/20 10:11:03 AM
#403:


Grimlyn posted...
exactly, 24 years ago! just about a quarter century!

That sounds like a lot, until you realize that only 3 VP candidates have been chosen since then.

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Grimlyn
03/16/20 10:19:50 AM
#404:


... technically Biden could've been switched out for 2012!

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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 10:21:37 AM
#405:


and Bush in 04!

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ChaosTonyV4
03/16/20 10:22:59 AM
#406:


Grimlyn posted...
I'll never understand the top Elections Fairness politician caping for money in politics. God that hurts Stacey a lot for me.

Seeing her campaign with Bloomberg for this puts her firmly in the poison pill category

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SmartMuffin
03/16/20 10:26:55 AM
#407:


It's utterly amazing to me that after Hillary and Bloomberg, people still believe "money in politics" is a thing worth worrying about.

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Jakyl25
03/16/20 10:27:51 AM
#408:


Dancedreamer posted...


That sounds like a lot, until you realize that only 3 VP candidates have been chosen since then.


4

Lieberman, Edwards, Biden, Kaine
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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 10:34:01 AM
#409:


I will say Biden is the best of those four for sure.

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Jakyl25
03/16/20 10:35:25 AM
#410:


As long as we can all agree Lieberman was the worst
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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 10:35:44 AM
#411:


I mean Edwards might actually take that.

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TotallyNotMI
03/16/20 10:36:46 AM
#412:


Tony hates Abrams too?

Why does this not surprise me.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 10:37:23 AM
#413:


TotallyNotMI posted...
Tony hates Abrams too?

Why does this not surprise me.

You confuse hate with severe disappointment over policy issues.

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Nelson_Mandela
03/16/20 10:39:49 AM
#414:


If Biden picks Abrams (noted race baiter, conspiracy theorist, liar, scumbag, loser), I will no longer consider this election a win-win for the nation.

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Corrik7
03/16/20 10:40:45 AM
#415:


No reason to pick Abrams. She has no appeal besides "African American"

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Jakyl25
03/16/20 10:44:46 AM
#416:


Seph what are your power rankings for Cheney/Palin/Ryan/Pence
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Nelson_Mandela
03/16/20 10:47:43 AM
#417:


Jakyl25 posted...
Seph what are your power rankings for Cheney/Palin/Ryan/Pence

  1. Cheney (probably the greatest and most capable VP in American history if HW didn't exist)
  2. Pence (shockingly adept)
  3. Ryan (disappointing given his intelligence and credentials)
  4. Palin (woman)

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Jakyl25
03/16/20 10:57:19 AM
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Crossfiyah
03/16/20 11:06:34 AM
#419:


Grimlyn posted...
when was the last time dems had a good VP pick tho

....Joe Biden?

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ChaosTonyV4
03/16/20 11:07:24 AM
#420:


TotallyNotMI posted...
Tony hates Abrams too?

Why does this not surprise me.

what does this even mean

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FFDragon
03/16/20 11:08:18 AM
#421:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/chrislu44/status/1239550877867937793?s=21

What a chump

Boy it really seems like that 1.5 trillion was spent just so Trump could sign that chart.

Because it looks like it's doing fuck-all right now.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 11:09:07 AM
#422:


BuT wE cAnT HaVe SoCiaLiSm

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red sox 777
03/16/20 11:36:32 AM
#423:


The market is 450 points above where it closed on Thursday right now. It's higher than where it was before the Fed announced that 1.5 trillion on Thursday. So it's not doing nothing. But it also can't stop the economy from suffering real, major, losses.

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Jakyl25
03/16/20 12:21:29 PM
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ChaosTonyV4
03/16/20 12:24:40 PM
#425:


Fuck yes pls UBI me up

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Wanglicious
03/16/20 12:41:14 PM
#426:


Tulsi said it and was introducing legislature.
i think some other dem said it.
you already know Yang has said it.
now Romney.

BIPARTISANSHIP IS GO.
that and rent freezes are necessary. as a basic game of logic and numbers, you cannot just throw money into a market to fix it, you need people to be functioning in the market to fix it.


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Mr Lasastryke
03/16/20 12:46:39 PM
#427:


right-wing people being in favor of UBI isn't new but you usually hear it from the libertarian side (foolmo: "UBI is hyper-libertarian" lol). hearing a similar idea from romney is pretty hilarious.

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Corrik7
03/16/20 12:52:21 PM
#428:


I am for anything that is given to everyone regardless of class.

That said, a $1,000 a month ubi for just a single month for all adults would cost like $300 billion dollars.

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Wanglicious
03/16/20 12:55:57 PM
#429:


that's $1000 that would instantly go into the economy though, it ain't getting put in savings for anyone. money out, money spent.


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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 12:56:16 PM
#430:


210 billion

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ChaosTonyV4
03/16/20 12:57:08 PM
#431:


Corrik7 posted...
I am for anything that is given to everyone regardless of class.

$1000 to a millionaire is equivalent to $50 for someone making $50,000 a year.

Whats the point?

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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 12:58:16 PM
#432:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
$1000 to a millionaire is equivalent to $50 for someone making $50,000 a year.

Whats the point?

Means testing sucks is the point.

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ChaosTonyV4
03/16/20 1:01:43 PM
#433:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Means testing sucks is the point.

Im asking for Corriks nuanced opinion, because I guarantee he supports means testing for traditional welfare.


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SmartMuffin
03/16/20 1:01:53 PM
#434:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
right-wing people being in favor of UBI isn't new but you usually hear it from the libertarian side (foolmo: "UBI is hyper-libertarian" lol). hearing a similar idea from romney is pretty hilarious.

This is false.

The sort of UBI that right-wingers/libertarians favor isn't even close to the sort of one that mainstream politicians ever propose.

It's another thing where they've just changed the word to mean something different than it originally did.

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ChaosTonyV4
03/16/20 1:03:13 PM
#435:




No Medical4all

Medicare4thisillness

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Mr Lasastryke
03/16/20 1:05:04 PM
#436:


SmartMuffin posted...
The sort of UBI that right-wingers/libertarians favor isn't even close to the sort of one that mainstream politicians ever propose.

which is why libertarians shouldn't call it "UBI" tbqh, because it just makes it confusing as hell to the rest of us. better to use a different term than to go "oh no MY definition is correct everyone else is wrong!!"


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Jakyl25
03/16/20 1:06:10 PM
#437:


Corrik7 posted...

That said, a $1,000 a month ubi for just a single month for all adults would cost like $300 billion dollars.


We just wasted $500 billion trying and failing to stop the market from crashing. Were good for it
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SmartMuffin
03/16/20 1:07:19 PM
#438:


which is why libertarians shouldn't call it "UBI" tbqh, because it just makes it confusing as hell to the rest of us. better to use a different term than to go "oh no MY definition is correct everyone else is wrong!!"

Whatever it is we start calling it, they'll then start calling their thing that too, so that they can keep saying "See! Right wing libertarians favor this too!"

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DoomTheGyarados
03/16/20 1:09:21 PM
#439:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Im asking for Corriks nuanced opinion, because I guarantee he supports means testing for traditional welfare.
I will say corrik in the past has been open to safety nets with no means testing

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red sox 777
03/16/20 1:24:06 PM
#440:


Jakyl25 posted...
We just wasted $500 billion trying and failing to stop the market from crashing. Were good for it

If that plan to give everyone $1000 is announced I would be quite confident the market rises by more than $300 billion in value within 15 minutes.

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Maniac64
03/16/20 1:28:12 PM
#441:


red sox 777 posted...
If that plan to give everyone $1000 is announced I would be quite confident the market rises by more than $300 billion in value within 15 minutes.
Sounds like we should have just done $2000 to every adult instead of just putting money into the stock market.

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Peace___Frog
03/16/20 1:28:24 PM
#442:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Im asking for Corriks nuanced opinion, because I guarantee he supports means testing for traditional welfare.
He did in the recent past, and iirc didn't even understand the term

Edit - maybe Chris is right, or maybe corrik's beliefs are more fluid than I'm giving him credit for

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Not_an_Owl
03/16/20 1:38:38 PM
#443:


Peace___Frog posted...
maybe corrik's beliefs are more fluid than I'm giving him credit for
In that they change every time Trump opens his mouth, yes.

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red sox 777
03/16/20 1:41:09 PM
#444:


Maniac64 posted...
Sounds like we should have just done $2000 to every adult instead of just putting money into the stock market.

Yeah, the reason this can work is that a lot of businesses are highly leveraged. They have a lot of value if they survive but if they go under in the next month then they don't. Casino operators are a good example - Caesars for instance is down 25% today. Because it is so highly leveraged that shutting down its casinos for a month might make it unable to make the interest payments on its loans and force it into another bankruptcy.

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ChaosTonyV4
03/16/20 1:44:50 PM
#445:


https://twitter.com/mattzeitlin/status/1239560332596609027?s=21

Neat

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ExThaNemesis
03/16/20 1:51:40 PM
#446:


My casino is native american owned and i'm p sure we aren't going to go with cuomo's shut down request but it's only a matter of time before someone steps in federally I think

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Jakyl25
03/16/20 2:08:32 PM
#447:


ExThaNemesis posted...
My casino is native american owned and i'm p sure we aren't going to go with cuomo's shut down request but it's only a matter of time before someone steps in federally I think


What is it with Native Americans and foreign diseases
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Leafeon13N
03/16/20 2:13:49 PM
#448:


ExThaNemesis posted...
My casino is native american owned and i'm p sure we aren't going to go with cuomo's shut down request but it's only a matter of time before someone steps in federally I think
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03/16/20 2:14:45 PM
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ExThaNemesis
03/16/20 2:16:23 PM
#450:


Jakyl25 posted...
What is it with Native Americans and foreign diseases

lmao

it's more-so they're sovereign and the gov't telling them to do something rubs them the wrong way

even if in this case the gov't is probably right and they know it.

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