Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 276: We Hold These Truths to Be Slelf-Evident

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Like there's been a significant increase in black people registering as independents because now they're being forced to choose between the racist party or the party that wants to expand something they don't like.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Like there's been a significant increase in black people registering as independents because now they're being forced to choose between the racist party or the party that wants to expand something they don't like.

Lmao please don't make this about race, that is a stupid take.

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's why, rather than being for Medicare for All, you tell them were gonna bring back strong unions that will get them great benefits.

a smart thing Sanders canvassers have done is correctly tie both of these together - universal healthcare strengthens unions as it allows them to fight other important battles.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Like there's been a significant increase in black people registering as independents because now they're being forced to choose between the racist party or the party that wants to expand something they don't like.

Bernie has consistently been the #2 candidate with black people, and is the #1 candidate with Black people under 40 by an absurd margin.

As Chris said:
DoomTheGyarados posted...

Lmao please don't make this about race, that is a stupid take.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

I'll talk to old people over my dead body, thank you very much.

If the Coronavirus wipes them all out before the general, does this help Trump or Biden?

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Corrik7 posted...

If the Coronavirus wipes them all out before the general, does this help Trump or Biden?

Wouldnt they both be dead?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Bernie has consistently been the #2 candidate with black people, and is the #1 candidate with Black people under 40 by an absurd margin.

Yes because the other options are the racist mayor of New York, the racist mayor of South Bend, or the lady that looks like the Karen who called the police because they were outside barbecuing.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Yes because the other options are the racist mayor of New York, the racist mayor of South Bend, or the lady that looks like the Karen who called the police because they were outside barbecuing.

Uh, holy shit I hope you realize you are taking away agency from possibly millions of African Americans to fuel your point. Get a grip, man.

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one thing we'll agree on, rock:

Warren is definitely the #1 choice for Karens.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Yes because the other options are the racist mayor of New York, the racist mayor of South Bend, or the lady that looks like the Karen who called the police because they were outside barbecuing.

this is super condensing

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Wanglicious posted...

one thing we'll agree on, rock:

Warren is definitely the #1 choice for Karens.

Not over Trump
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Or I'm pointing out how Dems have hung black people out to dry for years with terrible candidates and so with limited choices they generally pick certain candidates. Because they largely have no choice.

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why would a karen like trump? they're the ones in pantsuits.


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TheRock1525 posted...

Or I'm pointing out how Dems have hung black people out to dry for years with terrible candidates and so with limited choices they generally pick certain candidates. Because they largely have no choice.

I have no idea what this has to do with Bernie Sanders, who again through 4 states (including South Carolina) M4A has polled as acceptable.

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friend just showed me this.
i don't know if it's true. i see a checkmark so it's at least a real group.
currently laughing.

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1234647331804450817

if this is the state of #nevertrump lord save me before i choke on my own spit.

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Given the name I assume it is a joke.

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Wanglicious posted...

friend just showed me this.
i don't know if it's true. i see a checkmark so it's at least a real group.
currently laughing.

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1234647331804450817

if this is the state of #nevertrump lord save me before i choke on my own spit.

It's three kids in a trenchcoat

(I'm barely joking, Mike Gravel had some teens run a twitter account for him basically to bash the Democratic establishment)

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I'm looking at a poll where black voters preferred a public option over M4A something like 58% to 23%.

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And I am willing to bet that breakdown is more about age than race.


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i briefly looked into it thinking it's possibly a joke but uh...

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/08/mike-gravel-teens-2020-campaign

Former Democratic Alaska senator Mike Gravel and his extremely online presidential campaign are tragically no more. The 89-year-old confirmed Wednesday thatdespite having met the 65,000-donor threshold to qualify for this weeks Democratic debateshis inability to meet the 1 percent polling requirement for an onstage appearance would mark the end of his campaign.

The DNC kept us off the stage tonight even though we qualified, but the #Gravelanche is not over. We're gonna keep going, Gravel's campaign announced over Twitter, simultaneously clarifying that his remaining campaign funds would either be donated to charity, or to set up new think tank the Gravel Institute. As the campaign ends, we're going to help build institutions on the left which can grow power, shape policy, and create strong activists for the long haul.

Gravels candidacy was most notable for the participation of teenagers David Oks and Henry Williams, who operated a Twitter account in Gravels name while the former senator himself opted to sit on my patio, and see what happens. The account frequently offered direct, sardonic commentary on major issues, and often replied directly to users mentioning the account. The two teens will move onto a fellowship at the socialist-leaning Jacobin, hoping to keep up Mike's fight until the wars are over, until no one is too poor to live, until the people's voice is heard.

According to the account, the Gravel Institute think tank will write leftist policy papers focused on ending the American empire, reforming our Democracy and inviting direct action by elected officials to end injustice and suffering. Meanwhile, Gravelwho served in the senate from 1969 to 1981 and sought the Democratic and Libertarian nominations in 2008suggested the Democratic National Committee was intimidated by his unorthodox rise.

Theres no question that they conspired to make sure that I didnt get into the debates, Gravel told Hill TV in a Friday interview. Im not terribly disturbed over that. We received a lot of attention because of the uniqueness of two teenagers running a presidential campaign of the person whos the oldest person running for president in American history.

this is being played straight.
poe's law is in full effect.

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The twitter account literally says it's a joke in the replies.

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thank god.


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Ok this is old and not politics related, but we could use a little levity and I just found out about it:

https://www.businessinsider.my/should-professors-be-able-to-assign-their-own-books-2019-10



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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Ok this is old and not politics related, but we could use a little levity and I just found out about it:

https://www.businessinsider.my/should-professors-be-able-to-assign-their-own-books-2019-10

"For privacy's sake let's call her Lisa S. No, that's too obvious... let's say L. Simpson."

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MichelBollinger posted...

Better Trump just so that the DNC will finally learn their lesson? 4 more years of suffering for potentially better results in the future? This is really tough thing for me to deal with.

Yes. Screw women's rights. Screw LGBT rights. Screw unions. Screw education. We need to teach the DNC a lesson by giving conservatives a super majority on the supreme court for the next 40 years! A lesson they'll surely learn this time!

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Dancedreamer posted...

Yes. Screw women's rights. Screw LGBT rights. Screw unions. Screw education. We need to teach the DNC a lesson by giving conservatives a super majority on the supreme court for the next 40 years! A lesson they'll surely learn this time!

If they won't learn then all of those things will come to pass and it will be because of their failure. They can't bury their heads in the sand and perpetually tell voters to vote for them just one more election, and then they'll change.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

"For privacy's sake let's call her Lisa S. No, that's too obvious... let's say L. Simpson."

this is a good ref, but I think the joke is that this person is definitely not named Ligma, its a ligma balls thing
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although in a sort of similar situation, sometimes the trump emails have like a fake little donor wall image with YOUR NAME among the names and its all first name, last initial but some of the first names were so abnormal that I was able to find their social media profiles

turns out theres not a lot of people named Yanping L. in America
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Ok this is old and not politics related, but we could use a little levity and I just found out about it:

https://www.businessinsider.my/should-professors-be-able-to-assign-their-own-books-2019-10

Oh yeah definitely remember college. Had to buy plenty of the professors own books for classes where they ended up never making us open up the book.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Yes because the other options are the racist mayor of New York, the racist mayor of South Bend, or the lady that looks like the Karen who called the police because they were outside barbecuing.

Welcome to liberals. Holy fuck.

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https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1234573252221120513?s=20

Second one. First one is pointless.

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So wait this Chris Mathews dude resigned out of nowhere on live TV and alluded to sexual misconduct as well while doing it. MSNBC wasn't even aware of his resigning?

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Data for progress poll of all Super Tuesday states conducted over the past five days: (rated B/C on 538).

https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1234742957779177473

Don't know what, if any, bias they typically have. Looks quite good for Biden; also has Warren(!) up in MA!

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https://twitter.com/alexkotch/status/1234588735335018497?s=21

This is minor in the grand scheme, but still. This sucks, man.

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LotM your boy is literally going senile.

https://twitter.com/elongreen/status/1234455097079422984

Your next nominee.

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Late but worth addressing:

red13n posted...

Isn't Europe all moving far right?

Not at all. The only European country where the far right is a significant threat is Italy. Even there, they have declined significantly from their peak. In the vast majority of Europe the far right is either on the decline or has stalled.

In the UK, the far right has ironically been completely killed off by brexit. In France, despite the best possible conditions, Le Pens party is exactly where it was. In Germany, the AFD have not moved at all from the 12-15% zone in years despite the establishment failing, and they just got shut out in the Hamburg elections. In Austria where the far right has cone the closest to power and has been in coalition, the far right FPO lost a colossal amount of seats after a scandal involving - you guessed it - Russia. In last years Danish elections the far-right Danish Peoples Party lost two thirds of their vote. In Ireland the far right completely bombed at the election last month, while the left parties had the popular vote for the first time ever. The only place where they really have momentum is Sweden and they will never get in. Even Turkey, arguably the first example of the modern wave of right wing populism, is seeing Erdogans rightwing ruling party and their far right coalition partners start to lose ground for the first time since they came to power.

The media has acted completely shamefully on this issue, giving extremists a platform they have no right to have. The actual story in Europe is the rise of the Greens across the continent, but you dont hear a peep of that from the media.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Late but worth addressing:

Not at all. The only European country where the far right is a significant threat is Italy. Even there, they have declined significantly from their peak. In the vast majority of Europe the far right is either on the decline or has stalled.

In the UK, the far right has ironically been completely killed off by brexit. In France, despite the best possible conditions, Le Pens party is exactly where it was. In Germany, the AFD have not moved at all from the 12-15% zone in years despite the establishment failing, and they just got shut out in the Hamburg elections. In Austria where the far right has cone the closest to power and has been in coalition, the far right FPO lost a colossal amount of seats after a scandal involving - you guessed it - Russia. In Ireland the far right completely bombed at the election last month, while the left parties had the popular vote for the first time ever. The only place where they really have momentum is Sweden and they will never get in. Even Turkey, arguably the first example of the modern wave of right wing populism, is seeing Erdogans rightwing ruling party and their far right coalition partners start to lose ground for the first time since they came to power.

The media has acted completely shamefully on this issue, giving extremists a platform they have no right to have. The actual story in Europe is the rise of the Greens across the continent, but you dont hear a peep of that from the media.

Pretty sure you left out a couple of countries that are right.

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Yeah things are messed up in Poland and Hungary Im not denying it. I was mainly thinking about western Europe then figured whats going on in Turkey was significant. Of course, the ruling Polish and Hungarian parties came to power on a centrist platform...

Edit: Fideszs international affiliate is linked to the US Democratic Party. That should say something about where the US is relative to Europe!

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Also, part of the far right in Europe is only right-wing concerning immigration, lgbt issues, abortion and their anti-EU stances. A lot of their other policies are socialist/left-wing in nature. (just only for people already living in their country, no solidarity with other people)

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Lightning Strikes posted...

The media has acted completely shamefully on this issue, giving extremists a platform they have no right to have. The actual story in Europe is the rise of the Greens across the continent, but you dont hear a peep of that from the media.

https://files.catbox.moe/s6bsug.m4a

LordoftheMorons posted...

Data for progress poll of all Super Tuesday states conducted over the past five days: (rated B/C on 538).

https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1234742957779177473

Don't know what, if any, bias they typically have. Looks quite good for Biden; also has Warren(!) up in MA!

These uh... sure changed the 538 model (along with another set of all state polls)

No one/Biden/Bernie now at 62/30/8, Biden/Bernie/Bloomberg plurality at 65/34/1.

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Biden has a mini-stroke every time he opens his mouth these days.

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Voted in my new town, definitely a change of pace from central Mass. Way less angry dudes wearing sunglasses.

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Man if Biden's new numbers are correct, I have to respect the fuck out of the Democrat Machine. To overturn momentum and the will of the voters that rapidly is damn impressive.

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If I had more faith in them, I would have put money on Biden after NH and made an ulti-level return

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Okay this is at least the third time Trump has tweeted chocker:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1234834982033612802?s=21

Guess he really thinks thats how its spelled??

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No LotM, he says it is a choke shocker. He is expanding your vocabulary.

tbh I suspect that if today goes poorly for Bernie I am probably just going to detox from politics for a bit. Like, nothing wrong with people choosing who they want I just have to pray that the moderate wing of the democratic party is more correct than I am. I will say, betting against myself over the past 5 years would not have returned much investment, but hey

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So what are the chances Bloomberg/Warren stay after today. At this point, Gabbard either ends it today or she's staying until the end.

Obvious both are playing to control the narrative rather than outright win. Bloomberg probably needs to be viable in a few states to stay. The other option would be if Biden gets more delegates than Sanders. This is a more Sanders tilted day (thanks to California) and if Biden can win then Bloomberg probably feels confident that he can carry himself.

While Warren would like to win her home state I feel her hopes rely on staying viable in California, the state alone would give her enough reason to stay and play for a brokered convention. Of course being viable in other states would be helpful or this would just be a delay of the inevitable.

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Another set of new polls:

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1234842522813435904

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