Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 270: Bloomberg/Clinton 2020 Campaign HQ

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welp see you guys next topic.

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new topic new bloomberg sucks article. this time featuring his immense love of China and squashing a story by a woman who didn't even work for the company.

https://theintercept.com/2020/02/18/mike-bloomberg-lp-nda-china/

I AM ONE of the many women Mike Bloombergs company tried to silence through nondisclosure agreements. The funny thing is, I never even worked for Bloomberg.

But my story shows the lengths that the Bloomberg machine will go to in order to avoid offending Beijing. Bloombergs company, Bloomberg LP, is so dependent on the vast China market for its business that its lawyers threatened to devastate my family financially if I didnt sign an NDA silencing me about how Bloomberg News killed a story critical of Chinese Communist Party leaders. It was only when I hired Edward Snowdens lawyers in Hong Kong that Bloomberg LP eventually called off their hounds after many attempts to intimidate me.

other fun parts include the man himself lying about the story considering it was ran by the NYT two years later. so good news! that narrative of Trump/Russia which has many holes to it? it's nothing compared to the Bloomberg/Xi situation. not in scope, money involved, knee bending, and especially not in how big a threat they are.


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There's something about this topic I don't like, but I just can't put my finger on it.

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Kenri posted...

There's something about this topic I don't like, but I just can't put my finger on it.

that two new yorkers on the ticket would mean electors in the electoral college could not vote for both under the constitution since they're from the same state likely leading to a Bloomberg/Pence administration if that actually came to pass.

wow the electoral college is even ruining jakyl's topic titles

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https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1230207126808735745?s=21

Step 1: jump into the race late in an already overcrowded moderate lane

Step 2: spend hundreds of millions of dollars getting halfway to being competitive with Sanders, but still being in a much weaker position than Biden was before you siphoned off almost half his votes

Step 3: beg all other moderates including Biden to drop out now that youve almost guaranteed that Sanders win

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He is probably more electable than Biden at this point.

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New poll has Biden and Sanders tied in SC with steyer in 3rd just 3% behind.

Biden's campaign is about done at this rate.

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https://twitter.com/amy_siskind/status/1230188309588172802?s=21

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Biden is still on track to pick up a bunch of Super Tuesday delegates, maybe more if he successfully knocks Bloomberg down, and Bernie is leading but not totally dominating yet. That's not really finished. If nothing changes at all we could still go to a contested convention.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Biden is still on track to pick up a bunch of Super Tuesday delegates, maybe more if he successfully knocks Bloomberg down, and Bernie is leading but not totally dominating yet. That's not really finished. If nothing changes at all we could still go to a contested convention.

Sanders is surging where he shouldn't be for Biden to not be dead. It's just gonna avalanche

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Trump must feel he is gonna lose the election. Why else would be be doing all these pardons now.

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probably because it was just demonstrated to the nation that he is beyond any accountability

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/amy_siskind/status/1230188309588172802?s=21

If true, this is worse in my eyes that the Ukraine quid pro quo. There he was asking a not very credible source to say they were conducting an investigation in conduct that definitely at least looked suspicious. Here he's apparently asked a credible source (Assange) to lie.

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Corrik7 posted...

Trump must feel he is gonna lose the election. Why else would be be doing all these pardons now.

Or really confident. Presidents usually do it as a lame duck when it can't hurt their chances or those of their party.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/amy_siskind/status/1230188309588172802?s=21

This sure looks like supporting evidence for this being true:

https://twitter.com/funder/status/1230212104499728395

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I think we go to a brokered convention at this point. Sanders just needs to have enough of a lead that the DNC doesnt screw him. I'm not sure what lead would need to be though.

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KamikazePotato posted...

I think we go to a brokered convention at this point. Sanders just needs to have enough of a lead that the DNC doesnt screw him. I'm not sure what lead would need to be though.

The 100% of delegates needed

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https://mobile.twitter.com/organizingpower/status/1225458615735193606?s=21

Just turn this into an ad

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Biden is still on track to pick up a bunch of Super Tuesday delegates, maybe more if he successfully knocks Bloomberg down, and Bernie is leading but not totally dominating yet. That's not really finished. If nothing changes at all we could still go to a contested convention.

Yeah, at worst Biden comes out of Super Tuesday in a solid third place and that's if Bloomberg's support remains strong between now and then. Besides winning South Carolina his next important step is to stay viable in California (or hope two other candidates are viable) to prevent a near Sanders sweep of the state.

After that, his objective is to finish at least a close enough second behind Sanders to justify coming from behind in a brokered convention

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KamikazePotato posted...

I think we go to a brokered convention at this point. Sanders just needs to have enough of a lead that the DNC doesnt screw him. I'm not sure what lead would need to be though.

He probably needs something like a 10+ point lead and have at least 40% of the delegates. Once you get into the 30s it's a lot easier to argue that he doesn't have clear support.

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Would Bernie run as indy if denied at brokered convention?

Could have a Biden-Bloomberg-Bernie-Donald 4 way slugfest.

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Corrik7 posted...

Would Bernie run as indy if denied at brokered convention?

I doubt it unless he's full of shit about Trump being the biggest threat to the country in our lifetimes. That would guarantee a Trump win.

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charmander6000 posted...

He probably needs something like a 10+ point lead and have at least 40% of the delegates. Once you get into the 30s it's a lot easier to argue that he doesn't have clear support.

How could you argue that someone with less than 30 does?

LordoftheMorons posted...

I doubt it unless he's full of shit about Trump being the biggest threat to the country in our lifetimes. That would guarantee a Trump win.

A guaranteed Trump win is Bernie having the most delegates and not getting the nomination.

If Bernie doesnt get the most delegates, he will 100% support the nominee just like he did in 2016.

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charmander6000 posted...

He probably needs something like a 10+ point lead and have at least 40% of the delegates. Once you get into the 30s it's a lot easier to argue that he doesn't have clear support.

If Sanders has a 10 point lead, I don't really think his percentage matters much. Sanders having that kind of lead with a lower percentage implies the votes split too many ways for anyone else to emerge from the other candidates. Like if Sanders finishes at 30% and nobody else even hits 20%, how can anyone else complain about how his lack of support when there isn't a clear alternative?
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Xeybozn posted...

If Sanders has a 10 point lead, I don't really think his percentage matters much. Sanders having that kind of lead with a lower percentage implies the votes split too many ways for anyone else to emerge from the other candidates. Like if Sanders finishes at 30% and nobody else even hits 20%, how can anyone else complain about how his lack of support when there isn't a clear alternative?

The argument is that all of the establishment Dems with a combined majority of the vote have more of a collective mandate than a marxist non-Democrat with only 35% of the votes.

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Seeing people just totally rail against Bernie on MSNBC right now and how absolutely "horrible" things like M4A are makes it clear to me more than ever that the Democratic party and the Republican party as we know them are the exact same thing and ultimately want the same things. One is just much more open about it while the other hides behind platitudes.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

The argument is that all of the establishment Dems with a combined majority of the vote have more of a collective mandate than a marxist non-Democrat with only 35% of the votes.

Yes, but which establishment Dem do they rally behind? If 65% of the delegates are split among candidates with less than 25% each, then there at least two candidates fighting over which of them is the "real" choice the people want. It's not just Bernie fans who end up upset in this scenario; it'd be just about everybody but the relatively small base of the eventual nominee. I can't say for sure that the Democrats wouldn't do it anyway, but it'd probably kill their chances of winning in November.
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Xeybozn posted...

Yes, but which establishment Dem do they rally behind? If 65% of the delegates are split among candidates with less than 25% each, then there at least two candidates fighting over which of them is the "real" choice the people want. It's not just Bernie fans who end up upset in this scenario; it'd be just about everybody but the relatively small base of the eventual nominee. I can't say for sure that the Democrats wouldn't do it anyway, but it'd probably kill their chances of winning in November.

Just playing devil's advocate, but that's what the brokered convention is for. Assuming the Party believes that Bernie has been rejected by "only" receiving a plurality of votes, the delegates are there to debate who the centrist standard-bearer gets to be.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Seeing people just totally rail against Bernie on MSNBC right now and how absolutely "horrible" things like M4A are makes it clear to me more than ever that the Democratic party and the Republican party as we know them are the exact same thing and ultimately want the same things. One is just much more open about it while the other hides behind platitudes.

This is extreme and a bad take imo.

Both sides are not the same policywise on like 80% of things.

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I mean the objections to M4A from Democrats and Republicans are pretty damn different

The vast majority of Democrats want universal coverage and disagree on how to best get there. Contrast this to Republicans who tried to kill Obamacare and replace it with TBD

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It's not too late for Hillary to unite the Democrats

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

The argument is that all of the establishment Dems with a combined majority of the vote have more of a collective mandate than a marxist non-Democrat with only 35% of the votes.

When Bernie is the 2nd choice of Biden and Warren voters, and Biden is the 2nd choice of Pete and Klobuchar voters, how do you determine what groups to combine?

I really wish people like LotM would stop assuming every vote thats not Bernie is literally anyone but Bernie without giving every vote thats not another candidate the same consideration.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Seeing people just totally rail against Bernie on MSNBC right now and how absolutely "horrible" things like M4A are makes it clear to me more than ever that the Democratic party and the Republican party as we know them are the exact same thing and ultimately want the same things. One is just much more open about it while the other hides behind platitudes.

False

The centrist Democrats want to mostly maintain the status quo while doing the bare minimum social and economic reforms to placate voters and keep them in office. Meanwhile the Republican party is utterly dedicated to instituting a system of single-party rule so they can exaggerate the status quo in their favor and maintain power. Democrats are not nearly as ruthless or ideological, they're just playing along because a "balanced" system would benefit them.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

When Bernie is the 2nd choice of Biden and Warren voters, and Biden is the 2nd choice of Pete and Klobuchar voters, how do you determine what groups to combine?

I really wish people like LotM would stop assuming every vote thats not Bernie is literally anyone but Bernie without giving every vote thats not another candidate the same consideration.

Bernie is the only openly socialist candidate (proudly!) and the only one who is not a Democrat. I think there is a decent argument that any non-Bernie vote is a vote against Bernie, especially at this point.

Will be interesting to see. I know a lot of Dems IRL who aren't willing to vote for him in the general, even with Trump in office.

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Also its ridiculous that Bernie Sanders is refusing to release his medical records months after having a heart attack and saying that he would.

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need to dig out my post from like a year ago about hillary interrupting the convention to air bud her way to a win. maybe give it a remix.

Scene: The 2020 Democratic National Convention

Bernie Sanders is taking the stage after having secured the necessary delegates. He is greeted with thunderous applause as the Democratic Party realizes, if nothing else, they have to put on a united face for this speech at least. Sanders calls for the audience to die down and is about to begin his acceptance speech. Just as he gets his first few words out however a strange noise sounds in the distance, not unlike that of a radio - its sound muffled by distance and walls. After a very brief moment, too brief to really ascertain what exactly it was, it goes quiet. Sanders pauses at this strange disruption but quickly recovers and begins to resume. However, yet again, only a few words in the sound is heard once again, louder this time and slightly more distinct. Some in the audience murmur to each other that they thought they heard a voice, probably female, but couldn't really make out the words.

The agitation is beginning to become evident on Sanders's face. Is this some disgruntled member of the Buttigieg campaign trying to undercut him in this moment out of pure pettiness? It seems unlikely but what else could it be? A sound room error? But surely that can't be it, the noise is distant - such a control room error would be piping the noise into the stadium wouldn't it? Well, it's a question to be answered after this speech, his people can ask the DNC and get to the bottom of this. This is to be a moment of celebration after a hard fought campaign. He once more resumes his speech to much acclaim, it was a soaring a success but it is now winding down to that moment of paegentry where he will officially accept the nomination.

"And now," he begins, "I will gratefully accept the 2020 Democratic Nomination for-"

What follows would have beggared belief mere moments before. The stadium which had been silent as all waited in anticipation to erupt in cheers at the acceptance is filled with the clamor of the doors being thrown open and with it the blaring sound that had puzzled them all minutes earlier.

"This is my fight song! Take back my life song!"

Hillary Clinton had arrived.

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seriously stop trying to make this a thing guys. she's not running.

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Left-leaning media is pretty horrendous though. Totally in love with Bloomberg

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definitely going to rub it in when we know for sure hillary isn't running.

the smugness of all the people who constantly kept going "YUP HILLARY IS TOTALLY RUNNING, IT'S OVER, TRUMP 2020" was sickening.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How could you argue that someone with less than 30 does?

I'm not saying that they do, just that with so many unattached votes, things could split to not-Sanders.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Also its ridiculous that Bernie Sanders is refusing to release his medical records months after having a heart attack and saying that he would.

I mean what is that going to do? There's nothing on medical records that quantifies likelihood of dying from a heart attack.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I mean the objections to M4A from Democrats and Republicans are pretty damn different

The vast majority of Democrats want universal coverage and disagree on how to best get there. Contrast this to Republicans who tried to kill Obamacare and replace it with TBD

The truth is that without some pressure on them, the Democrats are never going to agree on how to get to universal coverage. Killing Obamacare and replacing it with TBD is exactly the kind of action you need to take to force them to come together and figure out a solution. That's the kind of visionary thinking we expect from the Republican Party and love.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Also its ridiculous that Bernie Sanders is refusing to release his medical records months after having a heart attack and saying that he would.

https://twitter.com/awgaffney/status/1230107999668244481

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KamikazePotato posted...

Left-leaning media is pretty horrendous though. Totally in love with Bloomberg

"Left wing" media is a business. Fox news basically is the Republican party. There is a big difference here.

Fox basically has stake in the Republican party doing well. Most left wing outlets don't necessarily give a shit as long they have money rolling in(Hence 24/7 Trump coverage, extra Bloomberg coverage).

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Also its ridiculous that Bernie Sanders is refusing to release his medical records months after having a heart attack and saying that he would.

He released three separate medical reports with his cholesterol numbers, echo report, blood pressure, and more, literally everything relevant.

What exactly is the criticism here? What other candidates have released more?

Did you know Bloomberg had the exact same stent procedure in 2001? What about Bidens records after his eye literally filled with blood during a Town Hall?

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I mean the objections to M4A from Democrats and Republicans are pretty damn different

The vast majority of Democrats want universal coverage and disagree on how to best get there. Contrast this to Republicans who tried to kill Obamacare and replace it with TBD

This is what I'm starting to question.

These panelists were basically sitting there going "Private insurance is fantastic and sexy and hip and cool and everybody loves it and Bernie is trying to illegally murder it and nobody wants that save us moderates we need to keep private insurance and private insurance only"

EDIT: Like, before, Bernie's plan specifically was the boogieman. Now universal coverage at all is becoming the boogieman and what why

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

He released three separate medical reports with his cholesterol numbers, echo report, blood pressure, and more, literally everything relevant.

What exactly is the criticism here? What other candidates have released more?

Did you know Bloomberg had the exact same stent procedure in 2001? What about Bidens records after his eye literally filled with blood during a Town Hall?

Sanders released doctors notes, not actual medical records (Trump released a doctors note that the doctor later admitted was dictated to him by Trump; its not the same as actually releasing records of a physical etc). And having a stent put in isnt the same thing as having a heart attack.

And yes, all candidates should release medical records.

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I think they want universal coverage but they just don't want to overturn the private insurance industry to accomplish it. There are various theories for why: they're bought, they think it would end them/the party politically, they think they'll do more damage in the disruption of the system than good in changing it, or they just genuinely believe that the private insurance company industry is superior.

I don't really think the candidates are out there thinking they don't want to achieve universal coverage. Depending on their reason I may strongly disagree with them but I think there are a wide range of views they could genuinely hold that lead them there ranging from corrupt, to defeatist, to being truly genuine.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Also its ridiculous that Bernie Sanders is refusing to release his medical records months after having a heart attack and saying that he would.

Others have said it already, but this is plainly bullshit and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.