Board 8 > Settle a debate between my wife and I

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User728
12/21/19 9:28:46 AM
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Pick Answer 1 or Answer 2


Story: People put in for vacation time at work. The vacation time is accepted. Then suddenly the office closes one of the days due to inclement weather, or perhaps a surprise day off near a holiday.

A. The employees who put in their days get the vacation day returned to them as the office was closed anyway.

B. The employees who put in their days do not get a refund on the vacation day since they were going to be off anyway.
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foolm0r0n
12/21/19 9:45:08 AM
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Why the hell would it ever be B?

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User728
12/21/19 9:46:52 AM
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foolm0r0n posted...
Why the hell would it ever be B?
3 people so far on this board (plus my wife) picked B. So did my employer. A few of my friends got screwed.
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Bane_Of_Despair
12/21/19 10:29:56 AM
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Pretty sure it's B at my job, depends on how much of a corporation the place wants to be really

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Bartzyx
12/21/19 10:40:02 AM
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C. The employees are expected to work remotely on inclement weather days

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PrinceReva
12/21/19 10:59:38 AM
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In our current capitalist hellworld, companies looking for any way to spare an expense will think B is fine, as will the people conditioned to think this is normal. The layman commoner with a normal sense of humanity and compassion would think A is the logical choice because duh.

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Surskit
12/21/19 11:02:14 AM
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I mean, if you have early release on Christmas Eve, for example, but you took that day off as annual leave, I don't think you'd get a 0.5 day of annual leave back. In that sense, I understand it?

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Drakeryn
12/21/19 11:10:44 AM
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If the company wants to be a jerk, they can do B (for exempt workers, anyway). They can even force employees with PTO (who weren't planning to use it) to take a day for a snow day. It's pretty dumb.

But anyone with any decency would do A.
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Nelson_Mandela
12/21/19 11:13:44 AM
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It's B at my company, but I'd be inclined to just bill my time as a snow day instead of a vacation day for that one day. The policy serves no function other than to minimize losses from inclement weather, but that's not really my problem.

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foolm0r0n
12/21/19 12:48:21 PM
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B would be like if you took 10 days of vacation on June 1 and the company shut down on June 2 so then you don't get any of your vacation paid out because you "used" it already

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ShatteredElysium
12/21/19 1:29:10 PM
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Realistically it should be A but most companies will go with B.

It probably also partially depends on how the company treats an inclemental weather day in regards to being payable. At my company sometimes they are paid days off, sometimes they are not. When they are not then employees are given the option to burn a days holiday in order to get paid.
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banananor
12/21/19 1:32:20 PM
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Bartzyx posted...
C. The employees are expected to work remotely on inclement weather days


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SantaRPidgey
12/21/19 2:53:01 PM
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I'm probably the most anti-labor force union president that's ever existed

but if admin tried to pull b they'd end up buried under our soccer field

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linid0t
12/21/19 2:58:54 PM
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User728 posted...
3 people so far on this board (plus my wife) picked B. So did my employer. A few of my friends got screwed.

I picked B.

Its like buying stocks, you dont get a refund if one suddenly plummeted today because suddenly you vastly overpaid yeatersay. You booked vacation days, which are guaranteed. If something happens and the rest of the company is off, that was a spontaneous event that others couldn't plan for. Your days were secured from the start - I dont believe there needs to exist an insurance policy where you got all your vacation days but we need to tally up any unexpected events and divide unfairly or poorly planned vacation time for refunds.

This is like getting a 30 minute scheduled break for lunch then being upset because someone elses lunch was extended 10 minutes due to a fire drill.
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SantaRPidgey
12/21/19 3:38:10 PM
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linid0t posted...
Its like buying stocks

I'm going to stop you right here

no it's not

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foolm0r0n
12/21/19 4:22:14 PM
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lmao please work for me lidi0t, I'll gladly cut your pay randomly and blame you for poorly planning your salary

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Mac Arrowny
12/21/19 4:29:56 PM
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B makes sense if people who didn't book vacation don't get paid and those who did book vacation do.
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linid0t
12/21/19 4:47:07 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
lmao please work for me lidi0t, I'll gladly cut your pay randomly and blame you for poorly planning your salary

If I get 14 paid vacation days, same as everyone else, you're willing to compensate me if I somehow booked one on a day the company has to take off because of power failure?
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Kenri
12/21/19 5:01:12 PM
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linid0t posted...
Its like buying stocks, you dont get a refund if one suddenly plummeted today because suddenly you vastly overpaid yeatersay.
It's more like buying stocks except you don't get any stocks but they take your money anyway.

I'm not sure how this is even a question.

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Cavedweller2000
12/21/19 5:17:03 PM
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Surskit posted...
I mean, if you have early release on Christmas Eve, for example, but you took that day off as annual leave, I don't think you'd get a 0.5 day of annual leave back. In that sense, I understand it?
That's exactly what I was thinking

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linid0t
12/21/19 5:27:04 PM
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Kenri posted...
It's more like buying stocks except you don't get any stocks but they take your money anyway.

I'm not sure how this is even a question.

Fair enough my comparison was atrocious

But option B is still the correct one. Nobody gets vacation time back because of circumstances beyond the companies control.
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TomNook
12/21/19 5:37:31 PM
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B is correct, but it triggers FOMO in some people.

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foolm0r0n
12/21/19 5:39:10 PM
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linid0t posted...
If I get 14 paid vacation days, same as everyone else, you're willing to compensate me if I somehow booked one on a day the company has to take off because of power failure?
If you have 14 paid vacation days then I have already compensated you 14 free days. If I take one back because I'm a shit boss then that's stealing.

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MoogleKupo141
12/21/19 5:48:57 PM
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linid0t posted...


Fair enough my comparison was atrocious

But option B is still the correct one. Nobody gets vacation time back because of circumstances beyond the companies control.


but if no one is going into work that day anyway, youre not really using the vacation day. The employee is paying for a service that he doesnt actually receive, its basically stealing
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User728
12/21/19 5:49:49 PM
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My wife and I are enjoying the discussion.
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foolm0r0n
12/21/19 6:16:18 PM
#26:


Tell your wife she sucks ass

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Paratroopa1
12/21/19 6:45:30 PM
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B is theft, plain and simple.
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skullbone
12/21/19 7:05:36 PM
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The employer should ask the person what they want to do honestly

I can understand B because the guy is still getting paid for the day off. The boss should say, "hey do you want to use your vacation day and get paid or save the day and not get paid

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linid0t
12/21/19 7:27:36 PM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
but if no one is going into work that day anyway, youre not really using the vacation day. The employee is paying for a service that he doesnt actually receive, its basically stealing

So... if I go and buy something for $1 then convince you its worth $100 and you buy it from me... am I stealing from you or are you a moron.

Sure if the company planned to take the day off and didnt tell you that you booked a vacation day during that time then sure i get your side, but if something spontaneous happens (power outage for example) and they send everyone home, that's just tough shit man.
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foolm0r0n
12/21/19 8:40:52 PM
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Dude practice your analogies. But yes we get that you think using vacation days is some form of lottery. We're telling you you're wrong. A vacation day is a contract that gives you 8 hours of salary for free, with some restrictions. That's why when the company goes under they still have to pay it out.

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KamikazePotato
12/21/19 8:42:45 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
A vacation day is a contract that gives you 8 hours of salary for free, with some restrictions.

Bold to assume that company is offering paid vacation days instead of "this is how many times you can not show up before we start docking your pay" days

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Corrik7
12/21/19 8:46:40 PM
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linid0t posted...
If I get 14 paid vacation days, same as everyone else, you're willing to compensate me if I somehow booked one on a day the company has to take off because of power failure?
I voted A but in this scenario it is B.

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Colegreen_c12
12/21/19 8:47:54 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
Dude practice your analogies. But yes we get that you think using vacation days is some form of lottery. We're telling you you're wrong. A vacation day is a contract that gives you 8 hours of salary for free, with some restrictions. That's why when the company goes under they still have to pay it out.


This actually isn't true in every state.

Vacation laws at a federal level are pretty awful, a lot of states make them somewhat sane.

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foolm0r0n
12/21/19 8:52:53 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Bold to assume that company is offering paid vacation days instead of "this is how many times you can not show up before we start docking your pay" days
That's an option too but it's effectively the same. If you leave the company you cash out your vacation.

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tyder21
12/21/19 8:58:24 PM
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B is actually horrendous - I would be irate. It feels like so many companies have such a poor handle of employee morale.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/21/19 9:05:13 PM
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How do companies typically handle a person cancelling a vacation day and just coming in to work? Where I work I would get the vacation day back even if on short notice but I'm guessing that's atypical?
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MoogleKupo141
12/21/19 9:06:12 PM
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So... if I go and buy something for $1 then convince you its worth $100 and you buy it from me... am I stealing from you or are you a moron.


depends on how you convinced me. maybe Im a moron or maybe you committed fraud. Either way I dont think its quite comparable to what were talking about here.

imagine you pre-ordered a game, then the day before the game is set to release the publisher announces its actually going to be free to play. I think gamers would rise up if their pre-orders werent refunded.

Sure if the company planned to take the day off and didnt tell you that you booked a vacation day during that time then sure i get your side, but if something spontaneous happens (power outage for example) and they send everyone home, that's just tough s*** man.


I thought this was about preemptively cancelling a day rather than sending people home in the middle of one. If its just part of a day that gets cancelled I can understand not giving back the vacation day.
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User728
12/21/19 9:07:14 PM
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In case you guys want to see how PotD felt about this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78271684#32
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MoogleKupo141
12/21/19 9:35:21 PM
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User728 posted...
In case you guys want to see how PotD felt about this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78271684#32


unsurprising that they had far more wrong answers
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Corrik7
12/22/19 12:16:07 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
B is theft.

I work in lab animal medicine at an ivy league university though, and Im considered essential staff on top of that, AND I live ten minutes away. This would never come up for me, because the lab has something like 20 different failsafe backups for inclement weather.

ie, if I put in for vacation there is no way for it to be affected. They take very, very good care of us.
B isn't theft in most situations.

If the office closes down and everyone is paid as if there, you should get your day back. If the office closes down and the people who didn't use a vacation day aren't paid and you were, then it was valid.

You should be able to change your mind and come in if it's a single vacation day. That isn't gonna fly if you put a week in and it is one of those days.


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ChaosTonyV4
12/22/19 12:32:43 AM
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Corrik7 posted...
If the office closes down and everyone is paid as if there, you should get your day back. If the office closes down and the people who didn't use a vacation day aren't paid and you were, then it was valid.

What if everyone is salaried?

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Corrik7
12/22/19 1:16:38 AM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
What if everyone is salaried?
Then they were still paid for the day, thus you should get the day back.

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TheCodeisBosco
12/22/19 1:41:18 AM
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Voted for "A" because seriously, it would cost so little to pay the affected employees mind.

Of course, that wouldn't stop plenty of companies from balking at it anyway...

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