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LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 1:52:55 AM #351:	I would never want to count on Florida And the Dems shouldn't; in 2018 it basically didn't shift at all despite Dems making huge gains everywhere else. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931785998] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>I would never want to count on Florida And the Dems shouldn't; in 2018 it basically didn't shift at all despite Dems making huge gains everywhere else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 1:55:30 AM #352:	FL is like the least elastic state ever. You could travel back in time from 2021 and tell me the Democrats won Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Iowa, Ohio, and Alaska and I would still feel the need to ask "...So what happened with Florida?" it's the living embodiment of lucy pulling the football away --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931786058] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>FL is like the least elastic state ever. You could travel back in time from 2021 and tell me the Democrats won Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Iowa, Ohio, and Alaska and I would still feel the need to ask "...So what happened with Florida?" it's the living embodiment of lucy pulling the football away </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 1:58:50 AM #353:	Obama won it twice and it's a goldmine of EVs. I suppose I generally agree with you though. But if you don't get Florida, you need 3 out of 4 of PA, MI, WI, and NC, which are probably going to be the swingiest Trump 2016 states other than FL. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931786142] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Obama won it twice and it's a goldmine of EVs. I suppose I generally agree with you though. But if you don't get Florida, you need 3 out of 4 of PA, MI, WI, and NC, which are probably going to be the swingiest Trump 2016 states other than FL. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 2:02:46 AM #354:	CaptainOfCrush posted... Trump's been President for three years and the country hasn't burned to ashes in a smoldering fire, the economy - regardless of your metrics - hasn't collapsed, and we haven't entangled ourselves in any new wars that have resulted in the deaths of thousands of young Americans. Enough of the country has been conditioned to accept this pathetically lowered standard, and because of that, he'll be tougher to beat in 2020 even if he faces a stronger opponent than Hillary. The incumbent's advantage won't simply disappear. Speaking more specifically, I still believe this election is overwhelmingly about the Midwest, and if anything I feel Trump will be stronger there than last time. He won't be ceding WI, MI, IA, and PA so easily (and OH is red). I think this is right. The economy has been so strong, there's been no new wars, our international standing as a tough, self-interested, negotiator has improved. Incumbents rarely lose. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931786250] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>CaptainOfCrush posted... </cite> <quote>Trump's been President for three years and the country hasn't burned to ashes in a smoldering fire, the economy - regardless of your metrics - hasn't collapsed, and we haven't entangled ourselves in any new wars that have resulted in the deaths of thousands of young Americans. Enough of the country has been conditioned to accept this pathetically lowered standard, and because of that, he'll be tougher to beat in 2020 even if he faces a stronger opponent than Hillary. The incumbent's advantage won't simply disappear. Speaking more specifically, I still believe this election is overwhelmingly about the Midwest, and if anything I feel Trump will be stronger there than last time. He won't be ceding WI, MI, IA, and PA so easily (and OH is red).</quote> I think this is right. The economy has been so strong, there's been no new wars, our international standing as a tough, self-interested, negotiator has improved. Incumbents rarely lose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 2:10:03 AM #355:	Well, Im certainly not saying to ignore Florida! I just have no faith in them. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931786441] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Well, Im certainly not saying to ignore Florida! I just have no faith in them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 12/19/19 2:10:13 AM #356:	red sox 777 posted... I think this is right. The economy has been so strong, there's been no new wars, our international standing as a tough, self-interested, negotiator has improved. Incumbents rarely lose. Don't forget everyone has a gold toilet. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:931786446] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>I think this is right. The economy has been so strong, there's been no new wars, our international standing as a tough, self-interested, negotiator has improved. Incumbents rarely lose.</quote> Don't forget everyone has a gold toilet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 2:11:17 AM #357:	Yeah, don't ignore Florida, but if at any point your electoral strategy relies on Florida... fire your strategist and get a new one because that's a problem. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931786476] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, don't ignore Florida, but if at any point your electoral strategy relies on Florida... fire your strategist and get a new one because that's a problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 2:16:38 AM #358:	And I tend to see NC and GA as sort of pipe dreams. The Democrats only won NC in 2008 and didn't win GA even in that landslide year. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931786581] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>And I tend to see NC and GA as sort of pipe dreams. The Democrats only won NC in 2008 and didn't win GA even in that landslide year. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/19/19 2:22:27 AM #359:	https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/echrdd/this_politican_during_the_impeachment_trial/ Sorry for the reddit link, but it was the best way of sharing the full picture (more in the comments). Rep Billy Long of Missouri apparently always carries fake 45 dollar bills that have Trumps face on them, visibly in his breast pocket. This is fucking wild --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931786701] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/echrdd/this_politican_during_the_impeachment_trial/ Sorry for the reddit link, but it was the best way of sharing the full picture (more in the comments). Rep Billy Long of Missouri apparently always carries fake 45 dollar bills that have Trumps face on them, visibly in his breast pocket. This is fucking wild </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/19/19 4:16:03 AM #360:	KamikazePotato posted... Reminder that Trump does not win without the media jumping on the 'return' of the emails story a week before election, which was released by Comey in an attempt to cover his own ass (and then was then fired by Trump, lmao) This is just a theory btw. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931788854] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>Reminder that Trump does not win without the media jumping on the 'return' of the emails story a week before election, which was released by Comey in an attempt to cover his own ass (and then was then fired by Trump, lmao)</quote>This is just a theory btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/19/19 4:16:34 AM #361:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Who says it is a good economy? Average worker hasn't seen a raise in 40 years. I reject the notion that this economy is "strong" for the average working class family. That sounds false also. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931788870] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Who says it is a good economy? Average worker hasn't seen a raise in 40 years. I reject the notion that this economy is "strong" for the average working class family.</quote>That sounds false also. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/19/19 4:21:17 AM #362:	Nanis23 posted... The idea that all democarts voted to impeach Trump and all Replubicians voted against is fucking stupid Whether someone fits to be a president or not is not supposed to be based on political stance Neither is whether someone comitted a crime or not I am not going to judge which party is at fault here, but one party is clearly wrong. Think about what you said here and your conclusion. They are not in sync. CaptainOfCrush posted... Trump's been President for three years and the country hasn't burned to ashes in a smoldering fire, the economy - regardless of your metrics - hasn't collapsed, and we haven't entangled ourselves in any new wars that have resulted in the deaths of thousands of young Americans. Enough of the country has been conditioned to accept this pathetically lowered standard, and because of that, he'll be tougher to beat in 2020 even if he faces a stronger opponent than Hillary. The incumbent's advantage won't simply disappear. Speaking more specifically, I still believe this election is overwhelmingly about the Midwest, and if anything I feel Trump will be stronger there than last time. He won't be ceding WI, MI, IA, and PA so easily (and OH is red). Iowa is pretty much guarantees red at this point also. Michigan and PA are the likeliest to go Blue out of those you listed. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931788949] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Nanis23 posted... </cite> <quote>The idea that all democarts voted to impeach Trump and all Replubicians voted against is fucking stupid Whether someone fits to be a president or not is not supposed to be based on political stance Neither is whether someone comitted a crime or not I am not going to judge which party is at fault here, but one party is clearly wrong.</quote>Think about what you said here and your conclusion. They are not in sync. CaptainOfCrush posted... </cite> <quote>Trump's been President for three years and the country hasn't burned to ashes in a smoldering fire, the economy - regardless of your metrics - hasn't collapsed, and we haven't entangled ourselves in any new wars that have resulted in the deaths of thousands of young Americans. Enough of the country has been conditioned to accept this pathetically lowered standard, and because of that, he'll be tougher to beat in 2020 even if he faces a stronger opponent than Hillary. The incumbent's advantage won't simply disappear. Speaking more specifically, I still believe this election is overwhelmingly about the Midwest, and if anything I feel Trump will be stronger there than last time. He won't be ceding WI, MI, IA, and PA so easily (and OH is red).</quote>Iowa is pretty much guarantees red at this point also. Michigan and PA are the likeliest to go Blue out of those you listed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/19/19 4:23:43 AM #363:	red sox 777 posted... And I tend to see NC and GA as sort of pipe dreams. The Democrats only won NC in 2008 and didn't win GA even in that landslide year. Trump has a better chance of flipping both Maine and NH than the democrat has of flipping NC. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931788978] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>And I tend to see NC and GA as sort of pipe dreams. The Democrats only won NC in 2008 and didn't win GA even in that landslide year.</quote>Trump has a better chance of flipping both Maine and NH than the democrat has of flipping NC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 12/19/19 4:44:09 AM #364:	i just now read trump's angry letter to pelosi. uh yeah, lol @ red sox calling it "completely reasonable." by starting an impeachment inquiry, pelosi "declared open war on american democracy"? what? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:931789255] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>i just now read trump's angry letter to pelosi. uh yeah, lol @ red sox calling it "completely reasonable." by starting an impeachment inquiry, pelosi "declared open war on american democracy"? what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/19/19 4:45:00 AM #365:	Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1207508280207011841?s=19 Republicans are so good at politics. They had this message planned months in advance. Where do the Dems go from here? What do they campaign on now? Should have made Pelosi or Obama the scary shadow figure IMO. Having it be Trump is kinda weird --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:931789270] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1207508280207011841?s=19 Republicans are so good at politics. They had this message planned months in advance. Where do the Dems go from here? What do they campaign on now? </quote> Should have made Pelosi or Obama the scary shadow figure IMO. Having it be Trump is kinda weird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/19/19 4:47:11 AM #366:	Corrik7 posted... That sounds false also. And yet, it isn't. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:931789294] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>That sounds false also.</quote> And yet, it isn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 8:29:18 AM #367:	So, there was an interesting point raised by Chris Hayes last night as the impeachment was happening contrasting how the grassroots bases of both parties reacted to impeachment when it happened to them. During the Clinton impeachment, the Democratic grassroots - then MoveOn - was calling for the censure of Clinton. A clear recognition that they knew and believed he had done wrong. Flash forward to today, could you even imagine the grassroots of the Republican Party calling for the censure of Trump? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931792960] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>So, there was an interesting point raised by Chris Hayes last night as the impeachment was happening contrasting how the grassroots bases of both parties reacted to impeachment when it happened to them. During the Clinton impeachment, the Democratic grassroots - then MoveOn - was calling for the censure of Clinton. A clear recognition that they knew and believed he had done wrong. Flash forward to today, could you even imagine the grassroots of the Republican Party calling for the censure of Trump? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/19/19 8:38:17 AM #368:	xp1337 posted... the grassroots of the Republican Party The what? <cite>Reg posted [p:931793197] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>the grassroots of the Republican Party</quote>The what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 8:43:03 AM #369:	Reg posted... The what? oh you --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931793328] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Reg posted... </cite> <quote>The what?</quote>oh you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 12/19/19 8:51:11 AM #370:	That's because of the same thing I mentioned before. If you're a Republican who supports impeachment then you're not a Republican anymore. It's a tautology. That wasn't the case with Clinton. It's a big gamble by the Republicans to shed all non-trumpers like this but it's probably the right move in the short term. Long term they seem fucked either way (unless the trumpers get their dictatorship) but who knows. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:931793538] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>That's because of the same thing I mentioned before. If you're a Republican who supports impeachment then you're not a Republican anymore. It's a tautology. That wasn't the case with Clinton. It's a big gamble by the Republicans to shed all non-trumpers like this but it's probably the right move in the short term. Long term they seem fucked either way (unless the trumpers get their dictatorship) but who knows. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/19/19 8:54:42 AM #371:	xp1337 posted... oh you No, I'm totally serious here. When was the last time the Republicans had an actual grassroots, and not a Koch/Murdoch/etc operation masquerading as one? <cite>Reg posted [p:931793622] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>oh you</quote>No, I'm totally serious here. When was the last time the Republicans had an actual grassroots, and not a Koch/Murdoch/etc operation masquerading as one? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 8:56:24 AM #372:	I couldn't actually answer you! Substitute base if you must! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931793660] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>I couldn't actually answer you! Substitute base if you must! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/19/19 8:58:49 AM #373:	xp1337 posted... I couldn't actually answer you! Substitute base if you must! Good enough for me. Regardless, the point you're making really highlights how the Republicans have essentially degenerated into a cult who will walk off whatever cliff the aforementioned Koch/Murdoch/etc tell them to <cite>Reg posted [p:931793737] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>I couldn't actually answer you! Substitute base if you must!</quote>Good enough for me. Regardless, the point you're making really highlights how the Republicans have essentially degenerated into a cult who will walk off whatever cliff the aforementioned Koch/Murdoch/etc tell them to </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 12/19/19 9:09:46 AM #374:	I know plenty of local Republican activists who go around door knocking and such and completely shut down and ignore any mention of federal politics because they don't want to acknowledge what their party has become --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:931794018] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>I know plenty of local Republican activists who go around door knocking and such and completely shut down and ignore any mention of federal politics because they don't want to acknowledge what their party has become </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/19/19 9:59:16 AM #375:	So at Trump's rally last night he made a comment suggesting John Dingell was in hell. This is the man that conservatives will die for. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:931795479] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>So at Trump's rally last night he made a comment suggesting John Dingell was in hell. This is the man that conservatives will die for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 12/19/19 10:04:17 AM #376:	Dancedreamer posted... So at Trump's rally last night he made a comment suggesting John Dingell was in hell. This is the man that conservatives will die for. People ITT are really proving how out of touch they are if they don't think the average American believes most politicians go to hell. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:931795622] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>So at Trump's rally last night he made a comment suggesting John Dingell was in hell. This is the man that conservatives will die for.</quote>People ITT are really proving how out of touch they are if they don't think the average American believes most politicians go to hell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kingfrost 12/19/19 10:11:28 AM #377:	Nelson_Mandela posted... People ITT are really proving how out of touch they are if they don't think the average American believes most politicians go to hell. Who cares what people believe. It's still fucking disrespectful. I mean you can believe whatever fairy tales you want, but that doesn't make it any less disrespectful. <cite>Kingfrost posted [p:931795838] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted... </cite> <quote>People ITT are really proving how out of touch they are if they don't think the average American believes most politicians go to hell.</quote> Who cares what people believe. It's still fucking disrespectful. I mean you can believe whatever fairy tales you want, but that doesn't make it any less disrespectful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/19/19 10:29:49 AM #378:	Kingfrost posted... Who cares what people believe. It's still fucking disrespectful. I mean you can believe whatever fairy tales you want, but that doesn't make it any less disrespectful. You have to remember that the conservative platform of hating political correctness means youre allowed to be disrespectful to anyone except them --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:931796397] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Kingfrost posted...</cite> <quote> Who cares what people believe. It's still fucking disrespectful. I mean you can believe whatever fairy tales you want, but that doesn't make it any less disrespectful. </quote> You have to remember that the conservative platform of hating political correctness means youre allowed to be disrespectful to anyone except them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 10:32:37 AM #379:	Jakyl25 posted... You have to remember that the conservative platform of hating political correctness means youre allowed to be disrespectful to anyone except them If you hear someone use the term snowflake you should believe them because they are speaking from experience! --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931796501] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>You have to remember that the conservative platform of hating political correctness means youre allowed to be disrespectful to anyone except them</quote> If you hear someone use the term snowflake you should believe them because they are speaking from experience! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 12/19/19 11:22:18 AM #380:	Reg posted... No, I'm totally serious here. When was the last time the Republicans had an actual grassroots, and not a Koch/Murdoch/etc operation masquerading as one? Are you counting the anti-abortion fanatics? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:931798260] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Reg posted... </cite> <quote>No, I'm totally serious here. When was the last time the Republicans had an actual grassroots, and not a Koch/Murdoch/etc operation masquerading as one?</quote>Are you counting the anti-abortion fanatics? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 12/19/19 11:29:26 AM #381:	Reg posted... When was the last time the Republicans had an actual grassroots, and not a Koch/Murdoch/etc operation masquerading as one? ...Would Trump supporters during the 2016 primaries count? If I remember right, pretty much all the established GOP powers were strongly anti-Trump until it was clear he would get the nomination. --- Congrats to 2019 Guru champ Advokaiser! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:931798524] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>When was the last time the Republicans had an actual grassroots, and not a Koch/Murdoch/etc operation masquerading as one?</quote> ...Would Trump supporters during the 2016 primaries count? If I remember right, pretty much all the established GOP powers were strongly anti-Trump until it was clear he would get the nomination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/19/19 11:52:33 AM #382:	Xeybozn posted... ...Would Trump supporters during the 2016 primaries count? If I remember right, pretty much all the established GOP powers were strongly anti-Trump until it was clear he would get the nomination. I'd be much more inclined to say yes if the established GOP powers didn't line up behind him and co-opt everything the second it became clear he would, but if nothing else I'm pretty sure this is the closest answer we'll see going back 25 years or so. <cite>Reg posted [p:931799390] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>...Would Trump supporters during the 2016 primaries count? If I remember right, pretty much all the established GOP powers were strongly anti-Trump until it was clear he would get the nomination.</quote>I'd be much more inclined to say yes if the established GOP powers didn't line up behind him and co-opt everything the second it became clear he would, but if nothing else I'm pretty sure this is the closest answer we'll see going back 25 years or so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 12/19/19 11:57:43 AM #383:	Kingfrost posted... Who cares what people believe. It's still fucking disrespectful. I mean you can believe whatever fairy tales you want, but that doesn't make it any less disrespectful. You can have your self-respect. I'll take my electoral victories! --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:931799603] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Kingfrost posted... </cite> <quote>Who cares what people believe. It's still fucking disrespectful. I mean you can believe whatever fairy tales you want, but that doesn't make it any less disrespectful.</quote>You can have your self-respect. I'll take my electoral victories! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 12/19/19 12:07:59 PM #384:	Dancedreamer posted... So at Trump's rally last night he made a comment suggesting John Dingell was in hell. This is the man that conservatives will die for. well, there are worse conservative comments out there... today https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/18/radio-show-host-chuck-boniwell-impeachment-school-shooting-knus/ --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:931799990] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>So at Trump's rally last night he made a comment suggesting John Dingell was in hell. This is the man that conservatives will die for.</quote>well, there are worse conservative comments out there... today https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/18/radio-show-host-chuck-boniwell-impeachment-school-shooting-knus/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 12:23:02 PM #385:	Xeybozn posted... ...Would Trump supporters during the 2016 primaries count? If I remember right, pretty much all the established GOP powers were strongly anti-Trump until it was clear he would get the nomination. Yes, and they are in fact one of the few grassroots movements that have actually succeeded. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931800607] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>...Would Trump supporters during the 2016 primaries count? If I remember right, pretty much all the established GOP powers were strongly anti-Trump until it was clear he would get the nomination.</quote> Yes, and they are in fact one of the few grassroots movements that have actually succeeded. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/19/19 12:36:32 PM #386:	Grimlyn posted... well, there are worse conservative comments out there... today https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/18/radio-show-host-chuck-boniwell-impeachment-school-shooting-knus/ I'm sure we'll get conservatives defending this. "FREE SPEECH" they'll shout while protesting ads with a lesbian couple. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:931801120] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted... </cite> <quote>well, there are worse conservative comments out there... today https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/18/radio-show-host-chuck-boniwell-impeachment-school-shooting-knus/</quote> I'm sure we'll get conservatives defending this. "FREE SPEECH" they'll shout while protesting ads with a lesbian couple. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 12:39:16 PM #387:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i just now read trump's angry letter to pelosi. uh yeah, lol @ red sox calling it "completely reasonable." by starting an impeachment inquiry, pelosi "declared open war on american democracy"? what? It's Trump. You have to tone down all rhetoric by 90%. So replace "declared open war" with "sent a letter threatening to sue in small claims court." --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931801233] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>i just now read trump's angry letter to pelosi. uh yeah, lol @ red sox calling it "completely reasonable." by starting an impeachment inquiry, pelosi "declared open war on american democracy"? what?</quote> It's Trump. You have to tone down all rhetoric by 90%. So replace "declared open war" with "sent a letter threatening to sue in small claims court." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 12/19/19 12:43:17 PM #388:	Turns out if you replace all the insane things Trump said with reasonable things then you get a letter that is more reasonable. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:931801370] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Turns out if you replace all the insane things Trump said with reasonable things then you get a letter that is more reasonable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 12/19/19 1:30:23 PM #389:	lmfao at pelosi thinking she's cunning enough to play games with the senate trial what an unmitigated disaster --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:931803013] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>lmfao at pelosi thinking she's cunning enough to play games with the senate trial what an unmitigated disaster </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 2:03:45 PM #390:	https://twitter.com/markszaidesq/status/1207669072504246273?s=21 Jesus --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931804287] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/markszaidesq/status/1207669072504246273?s=21 Jesus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/19/19 2:06:50 PM #391:	Its TMZ so grain of salt, but https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/18/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-attempt-surveillance-footage-missing/ uh --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931804404] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Its TMZ so grain of salt, but https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/18/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-attempt-surveillance-footage-missing/ uh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicSpiderPig 12/19/19 2:37:15 PM #392:	Nelson_Mandela posted... You can have your self-respect. I'll take my electoral victories! If nothing else, the Trump years have made the crowd's reaction to Edea's speech in FFVIII finally make sense to me. --- Congrats on Advokaiser for winning the 2018 Guru Contest! Yesmar <cite>HeroicSpiderPig posted [p:931805520] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted... </cite> <quote>You can have your self-respect. I'll take my electoral victories!</quote> If nothing else, the Trump years have made the crowd's reaction to Edea's speech in FFVIII finally make sense to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 2:43:34 PM #393:	pyresword posted... Turns out if you replace all the insane things Trump said with reasonable things then you get a letter that is more reasonable. Everyone should be doing this. If Democrats finally learn how to Trump will no longer be president. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931805727] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted... </cite> <quote>Turns out if you replace all the insane things Trump said with reasonable things then you get a letter that is more reasonable.</quote> Everyone should be doing this. If Democrats finally learn how to Trump will no longer be president. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 12/19/19 2:56:53 PM #394:	red sox 777 posted... Everyone should be doing this. If Democrats finally learn how to Trump will no longer be president. That's dumb --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:931806199] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Everyone should be doing this. If Democrats finally learn how to Trump will no longer be president.</quote>That's dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 3:41:20 PM #395:	Didnt really see any purpose to the delay sending the articles to the Senate move, but... https://twitter.com/timodc/status/1207719217677496320?s=21 baiting Trump into doing something stupid isnt an angle I had considered! --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931807895] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Didnt really see any purpose to the delay sending the articles to the Senate move, but... https://twitter.com/timodc/status/1207719217677496320?s=21 baiting Trump into doing something stupid isnt an angle I had considered! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/19/19 3:46:40 PM #396:	Ha! Thats pretty fun --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:931808117] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Ha! Thats pretty fun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicSpiderPig 12/19/19 3:48:52 PM #397:	I'm having trouble understanding Van Drew's political calculus here. By all accounts he's said multiple times Trump is crazy, so in order to avoid a Republican primary challenge from his right, he'd have to lie and (probably) make votes he doesn't believe in. But if that's something he's willing to do, why not just do the same for Democrats and vote for impeachment? His opposition to it was allegedly based on strategy reasons, not because he thought Trump was innocent of the crimes, so there's no moral dilemma there. I guess he's just banking on Republicans being so grateful for the good news that they'll help him fight off a primary challenge? --- Congrats on Advokaiser for winning the 2018 Guru Contest! Yesmar <cite>HeroicSpiderPig posted [p:931808205] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>I'm having trouble understanding Van Drew's political calculus here. By all accounts he's said multiple times Trump is crazy, so in order to avoid a Republican primary challenge from his right, he'd have to lie and (probably) make votes he doesn't believe in. But if that's something he's willing to do, why not just do the same for Democrats and vote for impeachment? His opposition to it was allegedly based on strategy reasons, not because he thought Trump was innocent of the crimes, so there's no moral dilemma there. I guess he's just banking on Republicans being so grateful for the good news that they'll help him fight off a primary challenge? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 3:53:05 PM #398:	Yeah Van Drews play here has been weird as fuck. My best guess: He does dislike Trump but thought impeachment would backfire politically He cares more about his own political fate than that of the party as a whole. He therefore decided to publicly bash impeachment and vote against the inquiry. This backfired on him hard, and his polling showed him he was likely going to fail to be renominated Again caring about his career more than any principles, he decides to gamble on switching parties Very pathetic any way you slice it --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931808375] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Yeah Van Drews play here has been weird as fuck. My best guess: He does dislike Trump but thought impeachment would backfire politicallyHe cares more about his own political fate than that of the party as a whole. He therefore decided to publicly bash impeachment and vote against the inquiry.This backfired on him hard, and his polling showed him he was likely going to fail to be renominatedAgain caring about his career more than any principles, he decides to gamble on switching parties Very pathetic any way you slice it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 4:13:25 PM #399:	LordoftheMorons posted... Didnt really see any purpose to the delay sending the articles to the Senate move, but... https://twitter.com/timodc/status/1207719217677496320?s=21 baiting Trump into doing something stupid isnt an angle I had considered! If the House seriously takes the position that it doesn't have to send articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial, then the Senate will be able to easily take the position that it doesn't need to consider any such articles if they are sent later. The 6th Amendment guarantees defendants the right to a speedy trial if they so choose, and the Senate could easily just adopt that. As for as delaying the trial, the motivation is obvious. The Democrats don't want to lose at trial. I think it's quite clever - trying to get the benefit of impeaching Trump for the election, without suffering the loss they'll take when he's acquitted. Props to Nancy Pelosi for thinking of it. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931809141] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Didnt really see any purpose to the delay sending the articles to the Senate move, but... https://twitter.com/timodc/status/1207719217677496320?s=21 baiting Trump into doing something stupid isnt an angle I had considered!</quote> If the House seriously takes the position that it doesn't have to send articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial, then the Senate will be able to easily take the position that it doesn't need to consider any such articles if they are sent later. The 6th Amendment guarantees defendants the right to a speedy trial if they so choose, and the Senate could easily just adopt that. As for as delaying the trial, the motivation is obvious. The Democrats don't want to lose at trial. I think it's quite clever - trying to get the benefit of impeaching Trump for the election, without suffering the loss they'll take when he's acquitted. Props to Nancy Pelosi for thinking of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 4:16:12 PM #400:	But procedurally it looks horrible. Especially since the Republicans have been harping on about not being allowed to call their witnesses for ages, and now it looks like the Democrats don't want a trial because the Republican witnesses would finally be allowed to testify. It would be like if the Trump DOJ charged Hillary Clinton with a bunch of crimes and then refused to prosecute her, trying to give her the permanent status of an indicted person. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931809256] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>But procedurally it looks horrible. Especially since the Republicans have been harping on about not being allowed to call their witnesses for ages, and now it looks like the Democrats don't want a trial because the Republican witnesses would finally be allowed to testify. It would be like if the Trump DOJ charged Hillary Clinton with a bunch of crimes and then refused to prosecute her, trying to give her the permanent status of an indicted person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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