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yutterh
11/21/19 1:57:20 PM
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So pretty much UBI will be 3 trillion, but according to yang it actually won't cost anything. This video has him explain how it pays for itself.

https://youtu.be/VfIXZMvinTw

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Mead
11/21/19 2:04:14 PM
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There are plenty of ways to criticize Yang but if you try arguing that his data or numbers are wrong youre gonna lose

What is that tub of goo even still doing on television
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RoboXgp89
11/21/19 2:13:12 PM
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our own gov't would attack the guy before he even took office

people can't even try socialism in other countries without our gov't stepping in and staging a coup to get more resources

it would never happen
people with stocks in real estate etc wouldn't let it happen

it would basically end up being a way to make the middle and lower classes be the same
rich people don't get taxed period
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nogaems
11/21/19 2:23:03 PM
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only real one running for prez

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BeerOnTap
11/21/19 3:59:53 PM
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Theft and coercion by force followed by redistributing to anyone and everyone for doing absolutely nothing to earn it.

How could anyone be against the boot of government like that?
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Noop_Noop
11/21/19 4:15:12 PM
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You do realize that all of the rich people he intends put this burden on will be gone long before he takes office, right?
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Mead
11/21/19 4:23:41 PM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Theft and coercion by force followed by redistributing to anyone and everyone for doing absolutely nothing to earn it.

How could anyone be against the boot of government like that?
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The real thieves are corporations reaping the wealth of our nation and not contributing their fair share back into the economy

Human centered capitalism is the only way forward that actually makes sense. Anything else will collapse in on itself.
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Lokarin
11/21/19 4:29:01 PM
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The problem isn't the rich making money, but the rich not spending money

There doesn't need to be an earnings cap, but a spendings minimum... billionaries NEED to buy 100 cars to fuel the economy

unless, like, you wanna build an economy based on something other than consumerism
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Mead
11/21/19 4:35:10 PM
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Lokarin posted...
The problem isn't the rich making money, but the rich not spending money

There doesn't need to be an earnings cap, but a spendings minimum... billionaries NEED to buy 100 cars to fuel the economy

unless, like, you wanna build an economy based on something other than consumerism


Or ya know they could pay taxes like everyone else
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Lokarin
11/21/19 4:36:08 PM
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Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
The problem isn't the rich making money, but the rich not spending money

There doesn't need to be an earnings cap, but a spendings minimum... billionaries NEED to buy 100 cars to fuel the economy

unless, like, you wanna build an economy based on something other than consumerism


Or ya know they could pay taxes like everyone else


For some reason the Christians have an ethical issue with taxes... so call it a mandatory donation.
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RoboXgp89
11/21/19 4:44:38 PM
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once they become big enough they ship jobs overseas

all of the economic growth goes to other countries with lax laws

they don't pay taxes here, etc.
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Mead
11/21/19 4:50:59 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
once they become big enough they ship jobs overseas

all of the economic growth goes to other countries with lax laws

they don't pay taxes here, etc.


Thats where value added taxes come into play

If theyre making money in the US they should be paying US taxes
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RoboXgp89
11/21/19 10:20:11 PM
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you're not going to pay them to get re-elected to do that!
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Mead
11/21/19 10:35:45 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
you're not going to pay them to get re-elected to do that!


What are you even saying
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RoboXgp89
11/21/19 10:38:22 PM
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things are going to get worse and worse until finnally we're forced to give people UBI (welfare) because everything will be automated for the least jobs possible
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Mead
11/21/19 10:40:34 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
things are going to get worse and worse until finnally we're forced to give people UBI (welfare) because everything will be automated for the least jobs possible


UBI isnt welfare

Welfare is for poor people in need. UBI is a way to recognize the basic value of each citizen.
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RoboXgp89
11/21/19 10:58:34 PM
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Mead posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
things are going to get worse and worse until finnally we're forced to give people UBI (welfare) because everything will be automated for the least jobs possible


UBI isnt welfare

Welfare is for poor people in need. UBI is a way to recognize the basic value of each citizen.


that's not going to happen
again there are people out there worth 1 million times a citizen and they are going to keep it that way and so will the people in the gov't

there are no free hand outs in a country like this, as big as this, the people here do not feel any trust with one another
ubi could work in a small european country or something, not here

UBI would inflate everything until we all get the same product, then we'd have communism, people not doing their jobs because they receive more UBI then everyone else, so on ...
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LinkPizza
11/21/19 11:05:36 PM
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Mead posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
things are going to get worse and worse until finnally we're forced to give people UBI (welfare) because everything will be automated for the least jobs possible


UBI isnt welfare

Welfare is for poor people in need. UBI is a way to recognize the basic value of each citizen.

I think he's also saying that eventually, UBI will be a necessity because nobody will be able to work anymore when our robot overlords do all the work for us...
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yutterh
11/21/19 11:57:26 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
that's not going to happen
again there are people out there worth 1 million times a citizen and they are going to keep it that way and so will the people in the gov't

there are no free hand outs in a country like this, as big as this, the people here do not feel any trust with one another
ubi could work in a small european country or something, not here

UBI would inflate everything until we all get the same product, then we'd have communism, people not doing their jobs because they receive more UBI then everyone else, so on ...


UBI is a opt in thing. If someone is already receiving aid through disability or something they cant get ubi. Also ubi only $1000, you cant live off of that but if your working it adds a little bit more cushion and it helps business since they dont have to increase wages and more people will but their product. I dont really see inflation spiking, maybe a extra bump but not a hell of a lot. Besides Alaska already does ubi, it is very successful there apparently.

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Mead
11/22/19 12:29:52 AM
#20:


LinkPizza posted...
Mead posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
things are going to get worse and worse until finnally we're forced to give people UBI (welfare) because everything will be automated for the least jobs possible


UBI isnt welfare

Welfare is for poor people in need. UBI is a way to recognize the basic value of each citizen.

I think he's also saying that eventually, UBI will be a necessity because nobody will be able to work anymore when our robot overlords do all the work for us...


I think there will always be jobs for people who want to work
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LinkPizza
11/22/19 12:35:04 AM
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Mead posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Mead posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
things are going to get worse and worse until finnally we're forced to give people UBI (welfare) because everything will be automated for the least jobs possible


UBI isnt welfare

Welfare is for poor people in need. UBI is a way to recognize the basic value of each citizen.

I think he's also saying that eventually, UBI will be a necessity because nobody will be able to work anymore when our robot overlords do all the work for us...


I think there will always be jobs for people who want to work

There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...
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yutterh
11/22/19 1:06:10 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

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LinkPizza
11/22/19 1:10:50 AM
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yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...
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HelIWithoutSin
11/22/19 1:18:35 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...


But the robot demand for human prostitutes is gonna skyrocket.
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Mead
11/22/19 2:00:01 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...


A lot of new jobs will be created too
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BeerOnTap
11/22/19 6:17:49 AM
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Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
The problem isn't the rich making money, but the rich not spending money

There doesn't need to be an earnings cap, but a spendings minimum... billionaries NEED to buy 100 cars to fuel the economy

unless, like, you wanna build an economy based on something other than consumerism


Or ya know they could pay taxes like everyone else


The rich pay the overwhelming majority of taxes in America. What are you even talking about? Also corporations are where a large chuck of Americans are employed, for those of you saying they do nothing good with their money. Do you guys have to wipe your mouth after all this s*** falls out of it?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2015/04/15/how-much-do-the-top-1-percent-pay-of-all-taxes/
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LinkPizza
11/22/19 6:33:27 AM
#27:


Mead posted...
LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...


A lot of new jobs will be created too

But those new jobs will probably be highly specialized... Which doesnt help the average person who lost their job...
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Kyuubi4269
11/22/19 7:22:52 AM
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BeerOnTap posted...

The rich pay the overwhelming majority of taxes in America.

And proportionately they earn overwhelmingly more than their tax burden.

BeerOnTap posted...
Also corporations are where a large chuck of Americans are employed, for those of you saying they do nothing good with their money.

They replace pre-existing companies that are smaller and more invested in their country/state/locale, they're not making jobs that wouldn't already exist.

Personally I don't see why taxes can't be just handled like a tax rebate i.e. a person without income has a $1000 rebate they can claim on filing. You can rework the tax system so it still taxes mid tier people the same as now but if they're fired, they lose a significant tax burden.
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RoboXgp89
11/22/19 8:10:30 AM
#29:


BeerOnTap posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
The problem isn't the rich making money, but the rich not spending money

There doesn't need to be an earnings cap, but a spendings minimum... billionaries NEED to buy 100 cars to fuel the economy

unless, like, you wanna build an economy based on something other than consumerism


Or ya know they could pay taxes like everyone else


The rich pay the overwhelming majority of taxes in America. What are you even talking about? Also corporations are where a large chuck of Americans are employed, for those of you saying they do nothing good with their money. Do you guys have to wipe your mouth after all this s*** falls out of it?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2015/04/15/how-much-do-the-top-1-percent-pay-of-all-taxes/


a rich person isn't going to lose their house, business by paying taxes
it isn't even comparable to say they pay taxes
for many of them it probably feels like to them they don't pay taxes
where as for many of us at least 25%-45% of our paycheck goes to taxes
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Krazy_Kirby
11/22/19 9:03:59 AM
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only idiots think social/communism is good
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RoboXgp89
11/22/19 9:54:50 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
only idiots think social/communism is good


which is what we have now for people who are rich and work for the town/govt
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Kyuubi4269
11/22/19 10:07:18 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
only idiots think social/communism is good

It is good, just not for a large governmental system. You can have a communist family, you can have a socialist district, but you can only have a capitalist country.
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Noop_Noop
11/22/19 12:19:17 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Mead posted...
LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...


A lot of new jobs will be created too

But those new jobs will probably be highly specialized... Which doesnt help the average person who lost their job...


so then the average person needs to become more specialized. isn't that the point? aren't we supposed to get better with time? aren't we supposed to advance as a species?
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LinkPizza
11/22/19 12:39:14 PM
#34:


Noop_Noop posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Mead posted...
LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...


A lot of new jobs will be created too

But those new jobs will probably be highly specialized... Which doesnt help the average person who lost their job...


so then the average person needs to become more specialized. isn't that the point? aren't we supposed to get better with time? aren't we supposed to advance as a species?

Yeah. But unlike other parts of the world, the US system doesnt always care for its people. For certain specializations, you need schooling. And in the US, college is expensive. So, they would need money to pay for it. But its money they dont have because they dont have a job. And they cant get a job until they have that specialized training. Which they cant get without money. So, they end up in a vicious cycle...
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KnoxKorner
11/22/19 12:40:35 PM
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If you need any evidence that he is a fifth column Chinese agent look at his stance on decriminalizing opioids. Then understand the concept of the Century of Humiliation.
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Lokarin
11/22/19 12:44:40 PM
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KnoxKorner posted...
decriminalizing


I support the decriminalizing of all teh drugs.

I don't use, but drugs kill people and I don't like people.
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Kyuubi4269
11/22/19 1:00:27 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Yeah. But unlike other parts of the world, the US system doesnt always care for its people.

This is a reason for the US to rejoin the Empire, not an argument against UBI.
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Mead
11/22/19 1:07:23 PM
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KnoxKorner posted...
If you need any evidence that he is a fifth column Chinese agent look at his stance on decriminalizing opioids. Then understand the concept of the Century of Humiliation.


Further evidence that your username is missing a K
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LinkPizza
11/22/19 1:24:08 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Yeah. But unlike other parts of the world, the US system doesnt always care for its people.

This is a reason for the US to rejoin the Empire, not an argument against UBI.

It wasnt an argument against UBI, though. I was saying UBI would become a necessity...
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KnoxKorner
11/22/19 1:30:24 PM
#40:


Mead posted...
KnoxKorner posted...
If you need any evidence that he is a fifth column Chinese agent look at his stance on decriminalizing opioids. Then understand the concept of the Century of Humiliation.


Further evidence that your username is missing a K


Not an argument.

Lokarin posted...
I don't use, but drugs kill people and I don't like people.


Man, this user is like a pizza slicer. All edge, no point.
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Mead
11/22/19 1:45:24 PM
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KnoxKorner posted...
Not an argument.


Not gonna waste my time arguing against a baseless conspiracy theory
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yutterh
11/22/19 4:46:42 PM
#42:


KnoxKorner posted...
If you need any evidence that he is a fifth column Chinese agent look at his stance on decriminalizing opioids. Then understand the concept of the Century of Humiliation.


His point is to help people that get addicted to these drugs. If your a dealer you will still go to prison. This way if someone gets addicted to a drug they can safely get help without having to worry about getting locked up.

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RoboXgp89
11/23/19 12:44:27 PM
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the century of humiliation is propaganda
the west specifically europe and the usa was always ahead of China
it's just a way to downplay the industrial revolution
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11/29/19 10:04:59 AM
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our own gov't would attack the guy before he even took office

people can't even try socialism in other countries without our gov't stepping in and staging a coup to get more resources

it would never happen
people with stocks in real estate etc wouldn't let it happen

it would basically end up being a way to make the middle and lower classes be the same
rich people don't get taxed period

People in America need to understand one thing, America has always had socialism for White people.

That's what the Homestead Acts in the 1860s/1870s were in which millions of acres of land and the tools and seeds to work that land West of the Mississippi was doled out to newly arriving poor penniless Europeans immigrants and Black people and Indians were excluded. The US Government undergirded these people an economic base and floor to get their farm-based businesses started and they never did that for non-Whites EVER.

Fast forward to the early to mid 20th century, and FDR's New Deal programs *Social Security, FHA Home Loan Program, HOL (Homeowners Loan Act). CCC, TVA, Unemployment Insurance, Workman's Compensation, AND THE G.I. BILL", etc, were all rooted in socialist ideals and it made it possible for working-class WHITES TO ATTAIN WEALTH AND to attain some modicum of wealth-building VIA HOME BUYING WHICH PRIOR HAD NEVER EXISTED FOR WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE and that was all off-limits to non-Whites. I am surprised people do not know about this stuff. When non-Whites began accessing Gov Programs in the 1960s, they weren't offered an opportunity to buy homes. They were herded into Public Housing which doesn't accrue in wealth therefore you can't sell or borrow money against the equity in a Public Housing project. Food stamps also do not accrue in wealth as well. The New Green Deal that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez proposed is doable but it will NOT see the light of day because it includes non-Whites and historically Whites frown on Gov tax dollars being used to help non-Whites which is what the GOP does when they refer to Black single moms on welfare as "Welfare Queens" etc they rile people up and portray these single moms as welfare cheats, lazy, no-good bums who ant to use White taxpayer money to take care of them and people buy it.

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Lokarin
11/29/19 3:20:30 PM
#45:


KnoxKorner posted...
Man, this user is like a pizza slicer. All edge, no point.


Since I was making a declarative, there is no need for a point.

Just like how an interrogative can be neither true nor false.
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Mead
11/29/19 3:22:52 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Since I was making a declarative, there is no need for a point.


Thats fucking dumb dude
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DirtBasedSoap
11/29/19 3:27:14 PM
#47:


Yangs ideas might actually work but the average person in this country is absolutely mortified by the thought of anything in their lives changing even if its for the better.
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Aaantlion
12/01/19 8:15:54 PM
#48:


LinkPizza posted...
Mead posted...
LinkPizza posted...
yutterh posted...
LinkPizza posted...
There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...


A lot of new jobs will be created too

But those new jobs will probably be highly specialized... Which doesnt help the average person who lost their job...


Because apparently a person can't be trained to do something.
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12/01/19 8:21:27 PM
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There's another problem, though. It's if they can do the jobs that are left for them to work. Some people only know how to do one thing. It would suck if there was nothing they could do, even if they wanted to...


Sometimes a normal job isn't what people want. Someone could start a youtube channel, someone can back to school, someone can fuck their life way, but I bet on humanity wanting to work and provide work in their own way or their own field. It does what it is called "freedom divedent" gives people the option to choose how they want to contribute to society.

Except a lot of jobs may disappear with automaton...


A lot of new jobs will be created too

But those new jobs will probably be highly specialized... Which doesnt help the average person who lost their job...


Because apparently a person can't be trained to do something.

Not everyone can. Especially at certain points in your life. Especially if theyve always done one specific thing. It definitely can be hard to teach an old dog new tricks...
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Mead
12/01/19 8:26:58 PM
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Fucker just raised $2 million in a week from small donations

No stopping the YangWave
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