Poll of the Day > Watching this guy's podcast and youtube took it down while it was going on.

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Judgmenl
11/10/19 9:40:57 PM
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This guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/LibraryOfCODRage/videos
He has a 150+ Episode podcast and youtube just cut the feed mid-podcast.
And they removed the previous week's podcast.
What a fucking world we live in.
I don't believe in 100% of what they say but at least let them say it. thousands of people watch the podcast every week.
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wwinterj25
11/10/19 9:47:38 PM
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Pity post.
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Lokarin
11/10/19 9:57:42 PM
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The Vetinari method of being an essential tyrant
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OhhhJa
11/10/19 10:03:46 PM
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Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment
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GMArcturus
11/10/19 11:15:02 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.
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dedbus
11/10/19 11:18:25 PM
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GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.

Now now private organization. If you don't like it surely there is another alternative. Somewhere? Anywhere? Oh.
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Lokarin
11/10/19 11:19:28 PM
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dedbus posted...
GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.

Now now private organization. If you don't like it surely there is another alternative. Somewhere? Anywhere? Oh.


Doesn't apply - a publisher cannot take platform protections and vice-versa
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Krazy_Kirby
11/10/19 11:25:23 PM
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GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.


on a private website...
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darkknight109
11/10/19 11:40:28 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.


on a private website...

This.

You have no freedom of speech on a private platform. The only thing that "freedom of speech" guarentees you is that the government won't punish you for what you say and cannot compel speech from you (and even those have exceptions). Private entities, including corporation, can react to your speech however they please within the bounds of the law (including banning you from their platform).
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Mead
11/10/19 11:48:38 PM
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How did he look exactly like I thought he would before I clicked the link
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OhhhJa
11/10/19 11:49:22 PM
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GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.

Oh, you interpreted as them having my support. Not at all. Big tech and government work together to silence people and use media to validate it. I think we should all be fighting hard against big tech censorship
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aDirtyShisno
11/11/19 12:01:54 AM
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Lokarin posted...
dedbus posted...
GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.

Now now private organization. If you don't like it surely there is another alternative. Somewhere? Anywhere? Oh.


Doesn't apply - a publisher cannot take platform protections and vice-versa

Nobodys bothered responding to that argument since nobody seems to understand that, especially since the companies take both all the time whenever it suits them.
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Locke90
11/11/19 12:03:32 AM
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Lokarin posted...
The Vetinari method of being an essential tyrant

one man one vote hes one man and hes got the vote/ paraphrased of course.
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Destiny
11/11/19 1:57:26 AM
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this just sounds like artificial drama so he can get more views

looking through his videos and youtube ought to just ban him because he really doesn't need to be in their platform
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Sarcasthma
11/11/19 2:08:06 AM
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GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.

This fucking post.
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Destiny
11/11/19 2:13:21 AM
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it's super wrong and I bet that dude was like all "hah I fuckin GOT EM" smug
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Kungfu Kenobi
11/11/19 3:56:25 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
You have no freedom of speech on a private platform.

For now.

I can see this changing, and yes, that would be constitutional.

As it is, you could never compel a platform to curate or not curate certain content. That's a constitutional non-starter. You can restrict their immunity to liability for content delivered through their service. Section 230 can be repealed or modified, and I see growing political will to do so. If we added a requirement that platforms must behave impartially to material that doesn't break the law in order to maintain their immunity from liability, we would see one of two things happen: freedom of expression would be the defacto standard on all internet platforms, or all platforms would become heavily curated "walled-gardens" with zero user content: which would be the end of all social media. I don't see the social media genie going back in the bottle.
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Bulbasaur
11/11/19 4:15:16 AM
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...
For now.

I can see this changing, and yes, that would be constitutional.

no

no it wouldn't be
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Nichtcrawler X
11/11/19 6:02:34 AM
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...
As it is, you could never compel a platform to curate or not curate certain content.


I think the EU was changing that, which would inevitably suck for Youtube if the US explicitly forbids it.
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darkknight109
11/11/19 6:42:45 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
GMArcturus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Well, looking through his videos, it's obvious why he's targeted. He's very anti establishment

You're point? Freedom of speech, motherfucker.

Oh, you interpreted as them having my support. Not at all. Big tech and government work together to silence people and use media to validate it. I think we should all be fighting hard against big tech censorship

You don't have to fight it at all.

Don't like Youtube's policies? You are completely free to start your own video sharing website and make up whatever rules you want for it. If Youtube's censorship is truly as onerous as you're implying, the free market should support you all the way.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...
For now.

I can see this changing, and yes, that would be constitutional.

No, it wouldn't be, because it would likely violate the First Amendment.

Part of the First Amendment's protection is that the government cannot compel speech from you. If I do not want my platform used to magnify certain messages, the government cannot force me to air those messages over my own objections.

Notably, this has business implications beyond the liability you're zeroing in on. Let's say I'm Google and I'm in a battle for eyeballs against other tech giants. Suddenly, a group of white supremacists start using my site to air their shitty views and word of that gets out to the media. At that point, I have two options - kick the fuckers off my site, or tolerate them and risk having the rest of my non-shitty users switch over to a different platform that is more willing to keep white supremacists and other forms of human trash away.

If the government forces me to keep those people around, it's going to hurt my bottom line. As a business owner, I should not suffer because the government wants me to broadcast messages I do not support and which are actively harmful to my business.
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Mead
11/11/19 9:37:43 AM
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Zangulus posted...
My favorite part about the OP is that he has lots of viewers so he should be heard. Fucking rofl.


thousands of people cant be wrong
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OhhhJa
11/11/19 10:07:52 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
You don't have to fight it at all.

Don't like Youtube's policies? You are completely free to start your own video sharing website and make up whatever rules you want for it. If Youtube's censorship is truly as onerous as you're implying, the free market should support you all the way.

Google is more than just a private company at this point. You'd have to be a fool to think it isnt
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Kyuubi4269
11/11/19 10:17:45 AM
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The issue with Youtube is their size dominating the market creating a monopoly. Anti-consumer laws are designed to deal with companies that have too much control over their market.
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Mead
11/11/19 10:20:18 AM
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Google is more than just a private company at this point.


Youre perfectly free to not use google or its services.
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ParanoidObsessive
11/11/19 11:24:54 AM
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Mead posted...
Google is more than just a private company at this point.

Youre perfectly free to not use google or its services.

While technically true, this also borders on being functionally bullshit.
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Mead
11/11/19 11:49:20 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
technically true


The best kind of true
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Hop103
11/11/19 12:48:14 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
The issue with Youtube is their size dominating the market creating a monopoly. Anti-consumer laws are designed to deal with companies that have too much control over their market.


Not to mention Youtube breaking the law and thinking they can get away with it (violating COPPA for example). They are corporate tyrants.
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OrangeDawn
11/11/19 12:52:56 PM
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Mead posted...
How did he look exactly like I thought he would before I clicked the link

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darkknight109
11/12/19 5:19:03 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
darkknight109 posted...
You don't have to fight it at all.

Don't like Youtube's policies? You are completely free to start your own video sharing website and make up whatever rules you want for it. If Youtube's censorship is truly as onerous as you're implying, the free market should support you all the way.

Google is more than just a private company at this point. You'd have to be a fool to think it isnt

So you're saying they're a public utility then? Doesn't that mean the government's going to have to nationalize them?

Sounds like an awfully left-wing idea coming from you.

Anyways, unless and until that happens, yes, Google is a private company and nothing more. They owe no greater commitments to their consumers than any other private company. Their terms of service are quite clearly spelled out, and you clicked the "I agree" button when you scrolled past them while creating your account. I have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone who loses their Youtube privileges for ignoring those rules and getting the consequences that they were explicitly told about when they signed up for the 100% free service.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
The issue with Youtube is their size dominating the market creating a monopoly.

They're not really a monopoly, though. There's plenty of other video sharing sites out there, including Facebook - not exactly a small company themselves. If you don't like Youtube, you're free to use any of the others.

A massively successful company is not the same thing as a monopoly.
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