Poll of the Day > The Kanto Pokérap: Galarian Edition

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aDirtyShisno
11/10/19 5:46:28 PM
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This video has been censored by *GameFreak for your viewing pleasure.

https://youtu.be/aa1RZTuXOWc

*Video not actually literally censored by GameFreak, but you get the point.
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 5:49:19 PM
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I think I saw these on CE a few hours ago... Though, it was a little different. They just cut out the blank parts. Or cut out the ones that weren't in the new games...
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Sarcasthma
11/10/19 5:50:01 PM
#3:


Gotta catch some of em!
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 5:51:27 PM
#4:


Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQu2Z-Kauj8&feature=emb_title
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Sarcasthma
11/10/19 5:52:38 PM
#5:


LinkPizza posted...
Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQu2Z-Kauj8&feature=emb_title

That versions a lot less funny than TCs.
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DirtBasedSoap
11/10/19 5:53:41 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78146001
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Sarcasthma
11/10/19 5:55:05 PM
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PyroBlade1985 posted...
Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about this controversy?

Yes, youre the only one.

How does it feel?
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 5:57:27 PM
#9:


Sarcasthma posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQu2Z-Kauj8&feature=emb_title

That versions a lot less funny than TCs.

I just found it on CE. It's not mine...

PyroBlade1985 posted...
Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about this controversy?

I don't. I don't even understand the actual problem. I don't think all the games alwys had all of them. So, it confuses me... Like, I don't even think Sun and Moon had all the Kanto pokemon, right?
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Sarcasthma
11/10/19 5:58:58 PM
#11:


LinkPizza posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQu2Z-Kauj8&feature=emb_title

That versions a lot less funny than TCs.

I just found it on CE. It's not mine...

Irrelevant
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DirtBasedSoap
11/10/19 6:28:50 PM
#12:


LinkPizza posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQu2Z-Kauj8&feature=emb_title

That versions a lot less funny than TCs.

I just found it on CE. It's not mine...

PyroBlade1985 posted...
Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about this controversy?

I don't. I don't even understand the actual problem. I don't think all the games alwys had all of them. So, it confuses me... Like, I don't even think Sun and Moon had all the Kanto pokemon, right?

they might not have all been catchable in-game but you could always just trade from a different version/older game if your favorite wasnt catchable.
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T0ffee
11/10/19 6:44:12 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
I don't. I don't even understand the actual problem. I don't think all the games alwys had all of them. So, it confuses me... Like, I don't even think Sun and Moon had all the Kanto pokemon, right?


In Sun/Moon you could trade/transfer in any pokemon from any gen and you could use them in-game. And that's because every pokemon has full models and animations in the game data.

In Sword/Shield, you're limited to ONLY the pokemon found in the Galar region pokedex and that's it. The ones who aren't in the pokedex don't even have models, animations, moveset data, etc. So you can't use them at all. Period.
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 6:53:22 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
they might not have all been catchable in-game but you could always just trade from a different version/older game if your favorite wasnt catchable.


T0ffee posted...
In Sun/Moon you could trade/transfer in any pokemon from any gen and you could use them in-game. And that's because every pokemon has full models and animations in the game data.

In Sword/Shield, you're limited to ONLY the pokemon found in the Galar region pokedex and that's it. The ones who aren't in the pokedex don't even have models, animations, moveset data, etc. So you can't use them at all. Period.

Ok. But that still doesnt explain why people are making such a big deal about it. Play the older games if you want the older Pokmon. The newer games were made while thinking of newer Pokmon. I feel that would be the draw rather than playing with the same ones from other games. If they just kept remaking the same old game with the same Pokmon, that wouldnt be fun.
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aurick79
11/10/19 7:43:14 PM
#15:


LinkPizza posted...
DirtBasedSoap posted...
they might not have all been catchable in-game but you could always just trade from a different version/older game if your favorite wasnt catchable.


T0ffee posted...
In Sun/Moon you could trade/transfer in any pokemon from any gen and you could use them in-game. And that's because every pokemon has full models and animations in the game data.

In Sword/Shield, you're limited to ONLY the pokemon found in the Galar region pokedex and that's it. The ones who aren't in the pokedex don't even have models, animations, moveset data, etc. So you can't use them at all. Period.

Ok. But that still doesnt explain why people are making such a big deal about it. Play the older games if you want the older Pokmon. The newer games were made while thinking of newer Pokmon. I feel that would be the draw rather than playing with the same ones from other games. If they just kept remaking the same old game with the same Pokmon, that wouldnt be fun.


Theres a number of reasons:

* Ribbon Masters (collecting ribbons from Gen 3 all the way through newest games - some of those pokemon are not available anymore - and it can be a lot of work lost)
* Competitive Games (the reduced dex is like playing in a standard tournament for Magic, while the full dex is like playing in legacy/Type 1)
* Breeding (When new pokemon are released, sometimes breeding with older pokemon is an efficient way to teach some of the egg moves from older pokemon)
* Nostaliga (Some players just like having adventures with pokemon that they have an attachment to for whatever reason - I for example have a Mightyena named after a dog that I have since put down)
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 8:00:12 PM
#16:


aurick79 posted...
Theres a number of reasons:

* Ribbon Masters (collecting ribbons from Gen 3 all the way through newest games - some of those pokemon are not available anymore - and it can be a lot of work lost)
* Competitive Games (the reduced dex is like playing in a standard tournament for Magic, while the full dex is like playing in legacy/Type 1)
* Breeding (When new pokemon are released, sometimes breeding with older pokemon is an efficient way to teach some of the egg moves from older pokemon)
* Nostaliga (Some players just like having adventures with pokemon that they have an attachment to for whatever reason - I for example have a Mightyena named after a dog that I have since put down)

I have no idea why a ribbon is. But the work wouldnt be lost. A lot of them would still have ribbons from others game, right? I feel like I need to know what these ribbons are to understand.
I think it will be better and more fun without people using the same 6 Pokmon theyve been using in every game since it started. Its almost feel like everyone builds the same exact team as every other player because its the strongest team. And then it gets boring. This is probably one of the reasons I like it not being the whole dex, tbh...
Eh, I think as long as they can learn certain moves, it should be fine. With TMs and HMs, you can learn a lot of moves. And breeding them with other Pokmon in game should allow them to learn the moves you need...
Nostalgia all good and well. But playing the older games can let you still have that nostalgia. You dont need every Pokmon game to give you that feeling. As a matter of fact, I know people that dont play Pokmon because it feels like they dont change...
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aDirtyShisno
11/10/19 8:03:15 PM
#17:


LinkPizza posted...
Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQu2Z-Kauj8&feature=emb_title

The one I posted was what someone created as a response to a comment for the video you posted. I didnt create it or make the comment, I just thought the video was funny.
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DirtBasedSoap
11/10/19 10:57:30 PM
#18:


@LinkPizza my favorites arent even in the game and the new ones look really bad so idk why were paying $20 more for these games than the last ones with less than half the content. Theyre lazy devs, plain and simple.
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 11:08:19 PM
#19:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
@LinkPizza my favorites arent even in the game and the new ones look really bad so idk why were paying $20 more for these games than the last ones with less than half the content. Theyre lazy devs, plain and simple.

Well, the $20 more comes from the fact that it's a switch game. If it came out on 3DS, it would be cheaper. The fact that it's out for switch makes the price $60 instead of $40. As for the less Pokemon, it's their choice. If you don't want it because you're favorites aren't in it, then don't buy it. It sounds like you wouldn't like it, so why waste money. And as people seem to say, "vote with your wallet" or whatever. If it really isn't what people want, then they shouldn't buy it. And if the sales aren't as high as they want, then they'll put all 1 million pokemon is the next game for the people that need to spend hundreds of hour catching everything. And waste thousands more trading the others into the game for some weird reason. If you really don't think there's enough content (which there most likely is...), then don't waste your money on it and wait for something you want to play. You can call them lazy all you want, but I don't think they care, really...
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DirtBasedSoap
11/10/19 11:10:07 PM
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Ive already said multiple times Im not buying it, Im just explaining why people are so upset by Dexit. Honestly one of the few times a whiny fanbase is actually in the right.
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 11:11:17 PM
#21:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
Ive already said multiple times Im not buying it, Im just explaining why people are so upset by Dexit. Honestly one of the few times a whiny fanbase is actually in the right.

I don't see how they are "right", still. But I guess it really doesn't matter in the end...
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GMArcturus
11/10/19 11:13:42 PM
#22:


LinkPizza posted...
aurick79 posted...
Theres a number of reasons:

* Ribbon Masters (collecting ribbons from Gen 3 all the way through newest games - some of those pokemon are not available anymore - and it can be a lot of work lost)
* Competitive Games (the reduced dex is like playing in a standard tournament for Magic, while the full dex is like playing in legacy/Type 1)
* Breeding (When new pokemon are released, sometimes breeding with older pokemon is an efficient way to teach some of the egg moves from older pokemon)
* Nostaliga (Some players just like having adventures with pokemon that they have an attachment to for whatever reason - I for example have a Mightyena named after a dog that I have since put down)

I have no idea why a ribbon is. But the work wouldnt be lost. A lot of them would still have ribbons from others game, right? I feel like I need to know what these ribbons are to understand.
I think it will be better and more fun without people using the same 6 Pokmon theyve been using in every game since it started. Its almost feel like everyone builds the same exact team as every other player because its the strongest team. And then it gets boring. This is probably one of the reasons I like it not being the whole dex, tbh...
Eh, I think as long as they can learn certain moves, it should be fine. With TMs and HMs, you can learn a lot of moves. And breeding them with other Pokmon in game should allow them to learn the moves you need...
Nostalgia all good and well. But playing the older games can let you still have that nostalgia. You dont need every Pokmon game to give you that feeling. As a matter of fact, I know people that dont play Pokmon because it feels like they dont change...

Yo Link, my dude, your objections are literally just your opinion that no one gives two shits about. GameFreak is creatively bankrupt. If you can't see it then you have less intelligence than your average rock.
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LinkPizza
11/10/19 11:19:50 PM
#23:


GMArcturus posted...
LinkPizza posted...
aurick79 posted...
Theres a number of reasons:

* Ribbon Masters (collecting ribbons from Gen 3 all the way through newest games - some of those pokemon are not available anymore - and it can be a lot of work lost)
* Competitive Games (the reduced dex is like playing in a standard tournament for Magic, while the full dex is like playing in legacy/Type 1)
* Breeding (When new pokemon are released, sometimes breeding with older pokemon is an efficient way to teach some of the egg moves from older pokemon)
* Nostaliga (Some players just like having adventures with pokemon that they have an attachment to for whatever reason - I for example have a Mightyena named after a dog that I have since put down)

I have no idea why a ribbon is. But the work wouldnt be lost. A lot of them would still have ribbons from others game, right? I feel like I need to know what these ribbons are to understand.
I think it will be better and more fun without people using the same 6 Pokmon theyve been using in every game since it started. Its almost feel like everyone builds the same exact team as every other player because its the strongest team. And then it gets boring. This is probably one of the reasons I like it not being the whole dex, tbh...
Eh, I think as long as they can learn certain moves, it should be fine. With TMs and HMs, you can learn a lot of moves. And breeding them with other Pokmon in game should allow them to learn the moves you need...
Nostalgia all good and well. But playing the older games can let you still have that nostalgia. You dont need every Pokmon game to give you that feeling. As a matter of fact, I know people that dont play Pokmon because it feels like they dont change...

Yo Link, my dude, your objections are literally just your opinion that no one gives two shits about. GameFreak is creatively bankrupt. If you can't see it then you have less intelligence than your average rock.

And the rest are your opinions that no one gives a shit about, as well. Everyone has different opinions. I don't think anyone is really right or wrong. People like what they like. Honestly, you can sit here and insult me all you want because you have no argument (as that's what people start to do when they don't have one), but it doesn't matter. There are many people who apparently still like pokemon and plan to get the game. They figured they'll still get the game even though it doesn't have all 800+ pokemon in one game. To me, it just sounds like the fans are greedy. Go make a better game if you want. In the end, what I said is my opinion, but so is everything everyone else said, as well...
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Krazy_Kirby
11/10/19 11:21:34 PM
#24:


LinkPizza posted...
I think I saw these on CE a few hours ago... Though, it was a little different. They just cut out the blank parts. Or cut out the ones that weren't in the new games...


it was in one of the pokemon topics here yesterday or day before
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aDirtyShisno
11/10/19 11:58:10 PM
#25:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
@LinkPizza my favorites arent even in the game and the new ones look really bad so idk why were paying $20 more for these games than the last ones with less than half the content. Theyre lazy devs, plain and simple.

I only learned today, from this video that both Squrtile and Bulbasaur are out, which confounds me to no end, especially since Charmander is still in the roster. Wartortle is my absolute favorite gen 1 Pokemon and I always enjoy having one in my party, even more than having a Blastoise, and thanks to the anime I always give him black glasses for the lulz. I wont be able to do that in this game.

I literally have no interest in buying this game. Thisll be the first Pokemon game that Im not buying at launch, and I didnt even play the last 2 generations despite buying them day 1! I might still get this game much later, maybe used so GameFreak wont make any money on the purchase, or maybe if they announce them fixing Dexit in a patch or something.
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LinkPizza
11/11/19 12:03:54 AM
#26:


aDirtyShisno posted...
DirtBasedSoap posted...
@LinkPizza my favorites arent even in the game and the new ones look really bad so idk why were paying $20 more for these games than the last ones with less than half the content. Theyre lazy devs, plain and simple.

I only learned today, from this video that both Squrtile and Bulbasaur are out, which confounds me to no end, especially since Charmander is still in the roster. Wartortle is my absolute favorite gen 1 Pokemon and I always enjoy having one in my party, even more than having a Blastoise, and thanks to the anime I always give him black glasses for the lulz. I wont be able to do that in this game.

I literally have no interest in buying this game. Thisll be the first Pokemon game that Im not buying at launch, and I didnt even play the last 2 generations despite buying them day 1! I might still get this game much later, maybe used so GameFreak wont make any money on the purchase, or maybe if they announce them fixing Dexit in a patch or something.

I didn't even know who from the previous games were out. Not that it matters much to me, I guess. When a new game comes out that I get, I usually catch at least one of everything in the game, but usually use the new ones, as what's the point of the game if I don't use them. Though, I usually don't waste time trading a bunch from other past games, as I don't see the point. I think the only one from the past games I got was a Gible from my roommate in X. But since I never had a Garchomp, I wanted one. I didn't even know what the egg was, tbh... It was on one of my main teams...
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DirtBasedSoap
11/11/19 1:26:34 AM
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https://m.imgur.com/Fh7damZ

damn the graphics look really good
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Kyuubi4269
11/11/19 1:36:25 AM
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Gotta love how they try to save a game dying of gimmicks by removing its unique elements for more one game gimmicks.
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Sarcasthma
11/11/19 1:41:58 AM
#29:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
https://m.imgur.com/Fh7damZ

damn the graphics look really good

Shit, I didnt know they already released RDR3.
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Bulbasaur
11/11/19 4:12:40 AM
#30:


GMArcturus posted...
LinkPizza posted...
aurick79 posted...
Theres a number of reasons:

* Ribbon Masters (collecting ribbons from Gen 3 all the way through newest games - some of those pokemon are not available anymore - and it can be a lot of work lost)
* Competitive Games (the reduced dex is like playing in a standard tournament for Magic, while the full dex is like playing in legacy/Type 1)
* Breeding (When new pokemon are released, sometimes breeding with older pokemon is an efficient way to teach some of the egg moves from older pokemon)
* Nostaliga (Some players just like having adventures with pokemon that they have an attachment to for whatever reason - I for example have a Mightyena named after a dog that I have since put down)

I have no idea why a ribbon is. But the work wouldnt be lost. A lot of them would still have ribbons from others game, right? I feel like I need to know what these ribbons are to understand.
I think it will be better and more fun without people using the same 6 Pokmon theyve been using in every game since it started. Its almost feel like everyone builds the same exact team as every other player because its the strongest team. And then it gets boring. This is probably one of the reasons I like it not being the whole dex, tbh...
Eh, I think as long as they can learn certain moves, it should be fine. With TMs and HMs, you can learn a lot of moves. And breeding them with other Pokmon in game should allow them to learn the moves you need...
Nostalgia all good and well. But playing the older games can let you still have that nostalgia. You dont need every Pokmon game to give you that feeling. As a matter of fact, I know people that dont play Pokmon because it feels like they dont change...

Yo Link, my dude, your objections are literally just your opinion that no one gives two shits about. GameFreak is creatively bankrupt. If you can't see it then you have less intelligence than your average rock.

yo gma, my dude, your objections are literally just your opinion that no one gives two shits about. gamefreak is creatively fine. if you can't see it then you have less intelligence than your average rock.

jfc dude shut the fuck up
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SilentSeph
11/11/19 7:22:45 AM
#31:


Yeah, I think I'm done with Pokemon games now. Originally, I would've been ok with dex cuts if the rest of the game was stellar, but absolutely nothing I've seen so far seems to suggest that. Then the actual cuts are leaked and it's worse than I thought it'd be.
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aurick79
11/11/19 8:13:30 AM
#32:


LinkPizza posted...

I have no idea why a ribbon is. But the work wouldnt be lost. A lot of them would still have ribbons from others game, right? I feel like I need to know what these ribbons are to understand.
I think it will be better and more fun without people using the same 6 Pokmon theyve been using in every game since it started. Its almost feel like everyone builds the same exact team as every other player because its the strongest team. And then it gets boring. This is probably one of the reasons I like it not being the whole dex, tbh...
Eh, I think as long as they can learn certain moves, it should be fine. With TMs and HMs, you can learn a lot of moves. And breeding them with other Pokmon in game should allow them to learn the moves you need...
Nostalgia all good and well. But playing the older games can let you still have that nostalgia. You dont need every Pokmon game to give you that feeling. As a matter of fact, I know people that dont play Pokmon because it feels like they dont change...


* Ribbons are basically badges or achievemens that you earn on a pokemon. They can be from something like being a part of the team that made it all the way through the Elite 4 (main game content), Beat the Battle Tower (end game content), or do the various "Dog show" style games (Side content) - there are other things like maxing out all the special show attributes, walking so many steps with the pokemon on the team, or straight up spending $1,000,000 in game. A Ribbon Master pokemon is a single pokemon that has been taken from XD or Colloseum from game cube, brought through every generation since, and has every possible ribbon. This takes considerable time and planning since at times you have to keep it under a certain level or teach it moves to get through one show, then teach it new moves to get a different type of show.

Now, with the dex cut, if your ribbon master was not one of the ones that made the cut - your ribbon master is incomplete, and can never be complete.

* I disagree, while this might shake up the meta in the interim, just like with MTG it's going to fall into the same new meta. But now we are limiting people in other types of tournaments - like the tournaments that only use the pre-evolution pokemon, or tournaments that rely on certain types - it greatly reduces the pool, or in some cases make certain teams impossible (not enough dog type pokemon anymore to have a dog team). In any case, this didn't "fix" anything competitively, and in fact probably made it worse.

* This actually hurts competetive. A smaller move pool of teachable moves, as well as taking away some of the moves that were unique to older generations that are no longer teachable now. This makes competetive more predictable. No longer can you see an articuno and be surprised by a heal bell (which could only be learned from previous generations) Egg moves were a surprise that you could bring into competetive, we no longer have that which even further means that "rogue tech" can't surprise meta games.

* Maybe nostaliga was the wrong word, maybe "bond" is better - some people had bonded with certain pokemon and brought them forward gen after gen and are no longer able to do so, I mean think of how many people love Squirtle or Bulbasaur and now they can't use them.
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LinkPizza
11/11/19 8:57:12 AM
#34:


* I don't see why it wouldn't be complete, though. The ribbon wouldn't exist for that Pokemon, right? So, in that case, you would still have every ribbon possible with that one Pokemon. Tbh, it seems it saves you a lot of trouble.

* I don't think it fixed things, but I also don't think it made things worse. My brother use to tell me about the competitive scene. And it kind of sounded boring. Not just because competitive isn't my thing. But because it sounded like most people were making the same type of team. And the same exact team, from what I heard. While limiting normally sucks, I don't mid if it gets people to make different teams. Might bring some new excitement to it, tbh. Plus, people might actually use the new pokemon instead of just bringing in their team from the previous games that they've used in every tournament so they have no new pokemon from the new game that they are playing. Like I said, this is probably one of the reasons I really like the dex cut.

* Is it a smaller move pool, though. I mean, in the end, you still only have a max of 24 moves (4 per pokemon, 6 pokemon per team) every battle, right? And as long as you can get the moves you want for your team, it still works. I'm not sure if that really makes it more predictable. And they may have made it so you can still breed certain pokemon with other pokemon that will give you the moves you want. It may take learning about the new pokemon, but that's part of the fun, I would think...

And I'm not sure if anybody would really be surprised by anything like that. Most of the competitive players probably know all the weird moves certain pokemon can learn. And when they see certain pokemon, know that there are certain moves which make them better. The only ones who would probably be surprised are people new to competitive.

* Which sucks, but is probably their intention. Maybe they feel like they're wasting their time when they spend all that time creating new Pokemon, but then everybody just plays with Pokemon from gen 1 or whatever. They probably want people to go on new adventures with the new Pokemon they created instead of playing with the same exact team every game. Possibly. Which makes sense. Or they can just stop making new Pokemon and keep remaking the old ones, if people don't want the new ones. What's the point of making new Pokemon if no one plays with them...
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Kyuubi4269
11/11/19 9:16:13 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
They probably want people to go on new adventures with the new Pokemon they created instead of playing with the same exact team every game.

They should probably stop making garbage designs for adverts targeted at 5 year olds and gimmicky trash.

LinkPizza posted...
Or they can just stop making new Pokemon and keep remaking the old ones, if people don't want the new ones.

This is preferable. New pokemon games for new areas and new mechanics and balance. Nobody wants Zubat, let alone Zubat clone #11.
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keyblader1985
11/11/19 12:54:41 PM
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I have to agree that cutting out so many species, with no way to access them, is bullshit. Aside from rendering the series catch phrase null and void, you can't bring along your favorites that you've been working with for potentially decades - IIRC up until now you could transfer Pokemon from as far back as the original games with the right equipment. Whether you want them for sentimental connection, battling, breeding or other reasons, that's all out the window as of this game.

As for everyone using the same old Pokemon (which not *everyone* does), if new species were actually relevant for competitive play then they would get used. The reason most species aren't seen more often is because they just don't cut it. The solution isn't to just cut out the top veterans - that just means most Shield/Sword players will have the same few teams from what's available to them. Less options doesn't create more variety.

If their goal was to make a standalone title unconnected to the others, then they could say so and market it as such.
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Caroniver
11/11/19 2:57:11 PM
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I have no idea why a ribbon is. But the work wouldnt be lost. A lot of them would still have ribbons from others game, right? I feel like I need to know what these ribbons are to understand.

Ribbons, like pretty much everything else in Pokemon, are a completionist thing. By clearing certain conditions with a Pokemon, it would get an award on its stat page. If you transfer Pokemon from older games, then that same Pokemon could work and obtain a bunch of ribbons from each region. But if your favorite Pokemon Ribbon collector is a Jigglypuff? They're never gonna have the chance to get Gen 8 ribbons, because there's a travel ban on Jigglypuffs and 400+ other Pokemon.

LinkPizza posted...
I think it will be better and more fun without people using the same 6 Pokmon theyve been using in every game since it started. Its almost feel like everyone builds the same exact team as every other player because its the strongest team. And then it gets boring. This is probably one of the reasons I like it not being the whole dex, tbh...

If a Pokemon is too high level, it won't listen to you unless your trainer in the new game has bonded with it or has a lot of badges. Transferring your favorite Pokemon isn't some shortcut that lets you steamroll through the game.

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Nostalgia all good and well. But playing the older games can let you still have that nostalgia. You dont need every Pokmon game to give you that feeling. As a matter of fact, I know people that dont play Pokmon because it feels like they dont change...

Nostalgia in this case means taking an old friend who's been with you for years through another adventure. If you fell in love with Piplup all the way back in Diamond, sent him to Soul Silver, carried him into Black and Black 2 for some more adventures, then transferred him into Y, Omega Ruby, Moon, and Ultra Sun, he's now at a dead end. He's not allowed in Sword. You have to leave your best friend behind.

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Go make a better game if you want

Fans have made a bunch of games better than main Pokemon games. Then they receive Cease and Desists from GameFreak and get in a bunch of trouble.

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jfc dude shut the fuck up

How does it feel knowing that when Masuda was throwing darts at a board he missed you, so now you're banned from the newest adventure despite being one of the most iconic Pokemon ever made?
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LinkPizza
11/11/19 4:14:34 PM
#38:


For the second one, I was talking about competitive rather than single player...

Though, for single player, you still
Could technically steamroll the game as long as the ones you used were at. A certain level. But thats a whole other thing...

Its just one adventure he wont be able to go on. Though, that brings the question of if they are just there, or if youre using them...

For the cease and desist order, thats because your using their IPs. You have to get around it by using different characters. Like how Digimon is similar, but still quite different. Change the character designs and names, add a few types, etc... That should be a good enough work around. You can make it similar, but different enough that it becomes its own game... You cant just steal the IPs, though...
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11/11/19 4:39:55 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Go make a better game if you want.
PSA: "Let's see you do better" is never a good argument. By it's logic, almost nobody can criticize anything. It's a just a cheap attempt to shut down criticism.

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LinkPizza
11/11/19 4:41:03 PM
#40:


GanonsSpirit posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Go make a better game if you want.
PSA: "Let's see you do better" is never a good argument. By it's logic, almost nobody can criticize anything. It's a just a cheap attempt to shut down criticism.

Im not saying that cant criticize, though. They can criticize and create a better one...
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aurick79
11/11/19 7:03:56 PM
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* I don't see why it wouldn't be complete, though. The ribbon wouldn't exist for that Pokemon, right? So, in that case, you would still have every ribbon possible with that one Pokemon. Tbh, it seems it saves you a lot of trouble.


It's not complete compared to other ribbon masters. I just "chose" wrong. My mightyena can't be a ribbon master, but other ones could (Such as Sudowoodo).

It just sucks.

* I don't think it fixed things, but I also don't think it made things worse. My brother use to tell me about the competitive scene. And it kind of sounded boring. Not just because competitive isn't my thing. But because it sounded like most people were making the same type of team. And the same exact team, from what I heard. While limiting normally sucks, I don't mid if it gets people to make different teams. Might bring some new excitement to it, tbh. Plus, people might actually use the new pokemon instead of just bringing in their team from the previous games that they've used in every tournament so they have no new pokemon from the new game that they are playing. Like I said, this is probably one of the reasons I really like the dex cut.


then we will get new teams, and they will all be the same teams. Different pokemon, same problem. People were using the new pokemon in tournaments - in USUM people were using the Tapu and the ultra beasts, as well as some of the other newer ones.

they could have shaken up the tournmanet scene without having to cut the pokemon.

* Is it a smaller move pool, though. I mean, in the end, you still only have a max of 24 moves (4 per pokemon, 6 pokemon per team) every battle, right? And as long as you can get the moves you want for your team, it still works. I'm not sure if that really makes it more predictable. And they may have made it so you can still breed certain pokemon with other pokemon that will give you the moves you want. It may take learning about the new pokemon, but that's part of the fun, I would think...


It does make it predictable, it's an issue that happens in MTG. You have to choose 24 moves out of a pool of 1000 vs. choosing 24 moves out of a pool of 5000. Now in both cases there are bad moves, but the number of possible ones that were useful are now smaller. It makes it easier to predict your oppoents actions, especially when there are less pokemon.

and I'm not sure if anybody would really be surprised by anything like that. Most of the competitive players probably know all the weird moves certain pokemon can learn. And when they see certain pokemon, know that there are certain moves which make them better. The only ones who would probably be surprised are people new to competitive.


you'd be surprised, it's always been a fun MTG tournament when a player came in with the random rogue deck that had cards players knew but didn't have answers for. With less possible moves, its easier to plan for solutions.

Less is bad, which is why MTG has to have new sets released every year

* Which sucks, but is probably their intention. Maybe they feel like they're wasting their time when they spend all that time creating new Pokemon, but then everybody just plays with Pokemon from gen 1 or whatever. They probably want people to go on new adventures with the new Pokemon they created instead of playing with the same exact team every game. Possibly. Which makes sense. Or they can just stop making new Pokemon and keep remaking the old ones, if people don't want the new ones. What's the point of making new Pokemon if no one plays with them...


People played with the new pokemon, you have to. You can't control pokemon that you aren't the original trainer for.
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aurick79
11/11/19 7:08:44 PM
#42:


LinkPizza posted...
GanonsSpirit posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Go make a better game if you want.
PSA: "Let's see you do better" is never a good argument. By it's logic, almost nobody can criticize anything. It's a just a cheap attempt to shut down criticism.

Im not saying that cant criticize, though. They can criticize and create a better one...


If it requires the skill to create something to criticize, then it would also require the skill to praise something - because in either case you would not be in a position to speak about it.

This is an appeal to authority fallacy.
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Sarcasthma
11/11/19 7:20:12 PM
#43:


LinkPizza posted...
GanonsSpirit posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Go make a better game if you want.
PSA: "Let's see you do better" is never a good argument. By it's logic, almost nobody can criticize anything. It's a just a cheap attempt to shut down criticism.

Im not saying that cant criticize, though. They can criticize and create a better one...

Just stop.
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LinkPizza
11/11/19 11:10:29 PM
#44:


aurick79 posted...
It's not complete compared to other ribbon masters. I just "chose" wrong. My mightyena can't be a ribbon master, but other ones could (Such as Sudowoodo).

It just sucks.

I guess I can kind of see how that sucks... Sort of...

aurick79 posted...
then we will get new teams, and they will all be the same teams. Different pokemon, same problem. People were using the new pokemon in tournaments - in USUM people were using the Tapu and the ultra beasts, as well as some of the other newer ones.

they could have shaken up the tournmanet scene without having to cut the pokemon.

I feel the teams will start to all become the same again. But I think it will take time to get there. When trying out new Pokmon, I think people would do a lot of testing while making new teams. I do think having certain conditions on battles would be fun, though...

aurick79 posted...
It does make it predictable, it's an issue that happens in MTG. You have to choose 24 moves out of a pool of 1000 vs. choosing 24 moves out of a pool of 5000. Now in both cases there are bad moves, but the number of possible ones that were useful are now smaller. It makes it easier to predict your oppoents actions, especially when there are less pokemon.

Again, I think it something that will get predictable over time. At first, people
May try out different builds and different move sets. And eventually, it will become predictable. But at first, not so much. I know my brother has guessed moves when watching them before. Now, hes not 100% correct, but still correct most of the time. And would even explain why.

I think it would get predictable after a little while, though.

aurick79 posted...
you'd be surprised, it's always been a fun MTG tournament when a player came in with the random rogue deck that had cards players knew but didn't have answers for. With less possible moves, its easier to plan for solutions.

Less is bad, which is why MTG has to have new sets released every year

I see those as two different things, though. IIRC, in MtG, you have a deck of 60. Where I Pokmon, you have 6 Pokmon with 4 moves each. I feel it would be easier to guess Pokmon than the rest of the deck. Especially after you know one of the Pokmon or a move it has.

That being said, I do think as the match goes on, both start to become predictable based on what kind of build they have.

As for the releases, they also release differently. Pokmon only releases new stuff every game, where MtG is doing it every year. Not to mention, people actually seem to use a lot of the new cards. If Pokmon released new Pokmon every year to add to whatever game was out, then Im probably compare them more...

aurick79 posted...
People played with the new pokemon, you have to. You can't control pokemon that you aren't the original trainer for.

I normally do. They dont always listen, but thats usually when the level is too high...
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11/11/19 11:10:36 PM
#45:


aurick79 posted...
If it requires the skill to create something to criticize, then it would also require the skill to praise something - because in either case you would not be in a position to speak about it.

This is an appeal to authority fallacy.

Nah. It doesnt require skill to criticize. But I also dont think people should try to make a game company bend to their will, tbh... If I dont like a game, I just dont buy it. But I also wouldnt try to make them do something they didnt because I want it a different way. Basically, if I wanted a game a certain way, Id learn the skill and make it a certain way. I just play what I am given.

Sarcasthma posted...
Just stop.

Ill stop when I want to. But I dont think I want to yet...
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Caroniver
11/11/19 11:57:00 PM
#46:


LinkPizza posted...
If Pokmon released new Pokmon every year to add to whatever game was out, then Im probably compare them more

This is essentially what they've been doing. Every 2 years, they came out with a new batch of Pokemon. If all you care about is competitive play, then you just play through the new game and get the new Pokemon. Then you change up your team to try out the new stuff. Often, some of the new stuff will be much better and you keep it.
Now imagine if Magic put out a new set of cards, but suddenly banned half of the old cards for completely arbitrary and unspecified reasons.
Now imagine that every other year, they put out another bunch of cards, and then switched up which half of the old cards were banned, leaving your deck from the previous year quite likely completely unusable.

That's Pokemon's plan going forward.

Oh, and also imagine if Magic introduced a new mechanic every expansion which no one liked, and then completely removed it next expansion.
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LinkPizza
11/12/19 12:09:27 AM
#47:


Id probably be fine with that, tbh. It would get me to switch up my deck and try new cards more often. I also dont see the problem with removing the gimmick. They like to try new gimmicks. And people seem to sometimes hate them. So, removing it seems like the right idea. Though, I dont think new Pokmon come out that fast.
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Krazy_Kirby
11/12/19 12:38:27 AM
#48:


if they let you use pokebank it would solve the problem.

still not getting it because of new mechanics though
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LinkPizza
11/12/19 12:57:15 AM
#49:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
if they let you use pokebank it would solve the problem.

still not getting it because of new mechanics though

What are the new mechanics. I think I heard something about big pokemon or something?
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DirtBasedSoap
11/12/19 1:03:53 AM
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Im so glad they cut more than half the Pokdex so they could have time to perfect the animations. Looks so realistic!!!

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DirtBasedSoap
11/12/19 1:17:22 AM
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Apparently they forgot to put music in the post game lol wtf
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