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coh
10/19/19 5:26:46 AM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/19/19 5:28:30 AM
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I honestly think this will be pretty great but it's going to suffer from the Sims issue.
It has so many features and expansion packs that the new one won't have them all yet and it will seem barebones or greedy for not putting out a "full" game.

Paradox might be scum but it's going to be unfairly bashed
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DEKMStephens
10/19/19 5:30:32 AM
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Why is paradox scum I haven't been paying attention

and yeah I like Crusader Kings 2 a lot but I imagine the base game would be boring af, and I assume CK3 will be like an enchanced base game at release

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/19/19 5:32:30 AM
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DEKMStephens posted...
Why is paradox scum I haven't been paying attention

garbo dlc policies, ignores any complains about the massive opimization issues. Their last game, Rome was slammed on release for good reason. So CK3 could go the same way
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coh
10/19/19 5:36:27 AM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
garbo dlc policies, ignores any complains about the massive opimization issues. Their last game, Rome was slammed on release for good reason. So CK3 could go the same way
I love Paradox and think most of the hate for Imperator was just bandwagoning tbh.

I've had no complaints with them.
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Crazyman93
10/19/19 5:39:59 AM
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I'd rather a Vicky sequel with a less black box economy.
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Bad_Mojo
10/19/19 5:41:37 AM
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What is the most evil music clip of all time to you? Play that in your head right now. That's the theme song of my first Duke. May every god known to man pray for the souls of anyone in my path

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coh
10/19/19 9:31:39 AM
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bump
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MudKip_Master
10/19/19 9:32:05 AM
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About time
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dr_marble
10/19/19 9:35:11 AM
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MudKip_Master posted...
About time

This, and yet also this:
DEKMStephens posted...
yeah I like Crusader Kings 2 a lot but I imagine the base game would be boring af, and I assume CK3 will be like an enchanced base game at release

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ElatedVenusaur
10/19/19 10:18:29 AM
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I love that their chosen trailer is some dude murdering a baby. They understand their game.
In any case, it will be interesting to see how they manage this. EU4 was pretty much EU3+ on release(in the good sense) but it will be much harder to top CK2. Im skeptical.
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BignutzisBack
10/19/19 10:19:47 AM
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UnholyMudcrab
10/19/19 10:26:29 AM
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How many companies out there except Paradox can advertise their new game using infant murder?
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Stagmar
10/19/19 10:30:23 AM
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Damnit, I just finished buying the expansions to CKII in the current sale.
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Doe
10/19/19 10:37:34 AM
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I honestly don't mind this because CK2 gets huge praise, but there is so much vast DLC that the games tutorial doesnt even function anymore
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ElatedVenusaur
10/19/19 11:01:43 AM
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ASithLord7
10/19/19 11:06:27 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/10/19/crusader-kings-3-is-happening-heres-ten-things-we-know-so-far/
Apparently they're adding RPG elements and more robust genetics.

Huh, probably gonna piss off some assholes for something as simple as removing deus vult but good on them

Edit: yikes, thread about this on the CK subreddit is full of seething racist assholes
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UnholyMudcrab
10/19/19 1:24:52 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/10/19/crusader-kings-3-is-happening-heres-ten-things-we-know-so-far/
Apparently they're adding RPG elements and more robust genetics.

Huh, probably gonna piss off some assholes for something as simple as removing deus vult but good on them

Edit: yikes, thread about this on the CK subreddit is full of seething racist assholes

It's really disappointing how many of those types Paradox games tend to attract
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Pogo_Marimo
10/19/19 1:43:06 PM
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Damn that's an interesting choice.
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thronedfire2
10/19/19 1:44:38 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/10/19/crusader-kings-3-is-happening-heres-ten-things-we-know-so-far/
Apparently they're adding RPG elements and more robust genetics.

Huh, probably gonna piss off some assholes for something as simple as removing deus vult but good on them

Edit: yikes, thread about this on the CK subreddit is full of seething racist assholes

It's really disappointing how many of those types Paradox games tend to attract


Not many games let you build a white Christian ethnostate if you want
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DEKMStephens
10/19/19 5:21:21 PM
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Man I just like playing custom games and spreading unusual faiths/heresies where they weren't historically, do legit racists really like the game that much lol

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UnholyMudcrab
10/19/19 5:25:15 PM
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DEKMStephens posted...
Man I just like playing custom games and spreading unusual faiths/heresies where they weren't historically, do legit racists really like the game that much lol

Not really CK. They usually flock to Vicky and HoI.
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ElatedVenusaur
10/19/19 5:25:48 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/10/19/crusader-kings-3-is-happening-heres-ten-things-we-know-so-far/
Apparently they're adding RPG elements and more robust genetics.

Huh, probably gonna piss off some assholes for something as simple as removing deus vult but good on them

Edit: yikes, thread about this on the CK subreddit is full of seething racist assholes

It's really disappointing how many of those types Paradox games tend to attract


Not many games let you build a white Christian ethnostate if you want

Yeah, historically-grounded games are basically always going to attract nationalists and racists of all stripes, but Paradox deserves credit for actively policing them and going out of its way to avoid indulging their tropes.

It sounds like CK3 is aiming at making characters the center of your experience. As some one who bought CK2 at launch, I can say that that's something that CK2 wasn't well-equipped to do: they kind of had that insight after-the-fact and built it in. It feels like the right direction to go in and they can build the game around that from the get-go. I can't really afford to be buying games at launch anymore, but I think it's a certainity that CK3 will, sooner or later, leave its predecessor in the dust.

As far as what else came out of PDXcon: they announced a Lithoids species pack and a Federations expansion for Stellaris. Apparently, lithoids will actually play differently from organics. And diplomacy is definitely the weakest aspect of Stellaris currently, so it's nice to see them finally overhauling it.
Apparently, the Lithoids are dropping this Thursday alongside a patch.
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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 5:39:45 PM
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DEKMStephens posted...
Why is paradox scum I haven't been paying attention

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TheDreadedWave
10/19/19 5:40:29 PM
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Oh boy I can't wait to pay $300 for the complete game

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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 5:42:55 PM
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also CKIII before Victoria III fuck those swedes
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/19/19 5:43:00 PM
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TheDreadedWave posted...
Oh boy I can't wait to pay $300 for the complete game

More like 500 actually unless you wait for sales
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ElatedVenusaur
10/19/19 5:48:25 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
DEKMStephens posted...
Why is paradox scum I haven't been paying attention

wG1sSpv

You straight-up don't need anything that isn't labeled an expansion, unless unit models and advisor art are important to you.

As far as the expansions are concerned, the Immersion Packs aren't very compelling(Golden Century is the only that's maybe okay). You definitely want Art of War, Common Sense, and Mandate of Heaven. Dharma is also really good. No need to bother with Conquest of Paradise or El Dorado unless you really like playing colonizers. Cradle of Civilization is good for the Middle East, Res Publica is nice if you care about the Dutch. You can and should straight-up ignore Mare Nostrum.

Also, it must be stated that you still get all the patches regardless of what expansions you have.
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TheDreadedWave
10/19/19 5:56:02 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Also, it must be stated that you still get all the patches regardless of what expansions you have.
Paradox implemented the development system in EUIV whether you had the expansion that introduced it or not, the problem is you couldn't actually increase development in your provinces unless you had the expansion.

So basically development impacted the game with or without the expansion but the player had no ability to use the system unless they bought the expansion.

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JE19426
10/19/19 6:00:23 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
DEKMStephens posted...
Why is paradox scum I haven't been paying attention

wG1sSpv


I don't see how having a bunch of DLC makes a company scum.

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
More like 500 actually unless you wait for sales


I don't see why you are paying 500 for a "complete game". You don't need any where near that much, even outside of sales.
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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 6:02:27 PM
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JE19426 posted...
I don't see how having a bunch of DLC makes a company scum.

TheDreadedWave posted...
Paradox implemented the development system in EUIV whether you had the expansion that introduced it or not, the problem is you couldn't actually increase development in your provinces unless you had the expansion.

So basically development impacted the game with or without the expansion but the player had no ability to use the system unless they bought the expansion.


also, the expansions are all way overpriced
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DarthAragorn
10/19/19 6:03:49 PM
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Just don't buy all the expansions

They release over a span of years anyway, they really aren't expensive relative to how much gameplay you can get
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TheDreadedWave
10/19/19 6:03:50 PM
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JE19426 posted...
I don't see how having a bunch of DLC makes a company scum.
Because they introduce the features said DLC adds to the game whether you have the expansion or not but make you pay for the ability to manipulate said features.

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JE19426
10/19/19 6:05:48 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
also, the expansions are all way overpriced


You don't need Common Sense to use development anymore, and you haven't for quite some time.
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DEKMStephens
10/19/19 6:06:33 PM
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tbh EUIV kinda died to me when they added forts. It was a terrible feature that made the game unfun.

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TheDreadedWave
10/19/19 6:06:56 PM
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JE19426 posted...
You don't need Common Sense to use development anymore, and you haven't for quite some time.
Yeah it only took like 3 years lol

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JE19426
10/19/19 6:07:53 PM
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TheDreadedWave posted...
Yeah it only took like 3 years lol


And?
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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 6:08:14 PM
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JE19426 posted...
And?


lol
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JE19426
10/19/19 6:09:05 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
lol


Do you guys have point or something?
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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 6:09:49 PM
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I hope they're paying you for this.
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JE19426
10/19/19 6:10:38 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
I hope they're paying you for this.


Why they need to pay me to point out people aren't being honest?
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TheDreadedWave
10/19/19 6:29:26 PM
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JE19426 posted...
And?
And it doesn't bother you that they withheld a key game component behind a paywall for 3 years?

Imagine if MK11 kept blocking behind a DLC for 3 years, the PC could use it just you couldn't

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JE19426
10/19/19 6:37:06 PM
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TheDreadedWave posted...
And it doesn't bother you that they withheld a key game component behind a paywall for 3 years?


I think it was stupid of them to do so. The fact they didn't leave it permanently leads me to believe it was out of incompetence, than of scumishness.
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ElatedVenusaur
10/19/19 6:50:53 PM
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JE19426 posted...
TheDreadedWave posted...
And it doesn't bother you that they withheld a key game component behind a paywall for 3 years?


I think it was stupid of them to do so. The fact they didn't leave it permanently leads me to believe it was out of incompetence, than of scumishness.

I agree: stuff like development and estates didn't belong as expansion-locked features, and leaving them that way for so long prevented them from iterating on those features in interesting ways sooner.
Stellaris is actually pretty good about that though, so I do think they're learning.
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BignutzisBack
10/19/19 7:03:55 PM
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holy s*** so it's finally coming to console I see it's going to release on Xbox
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 6:25:39 AM
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Multiplayer and online

We're not even going to be able to talk about it on CE since we will be saying all sorts of horrible things related to [string of bleeps thanks to the Mods] to advance our campaign against one another

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ASithLord7
10/20/19 11:51:47 AM
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Pdx dlc goes on sale often and they even had a humble bundle recently, plus 2 is now free. Chill
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solosnake
10/20/19 12:56:52 PM
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They literally just finished with CK2 less than a year ago.

This is way too soon.
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Leanaunfurled
10/20/19 1:12:31 PM
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Oo makes sense why II went free, now. Guessing it's permanently free.

I still haven't played II ^_^;;
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 3:03:15 PM
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Leanaunfurled posted...
Oo makes sense why II went free, now. Guessing it's permanently free.

I still haven't played II ^_^;;


Its a real fun game, but can be very intimidating

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