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Corrik7
09/25/19 6:13:49 PM
#103:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
How often do you think people dont get 400 million dollars in aid they were promised and just sort of shrug their shoulders and think or do literally nothing about it?
They were undergoing a change of government.

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HashtagSEP
09/25/19 6:25:56 PM
#104:


Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) said Wednesday that the partial transcript of President Trump's call with Ukraines president released by the Trump administration doesnt show a compelling case for impeachment.

Most people reading through that transcript are not going to find that extremely compelling cause to throw out a president that won an election in 2016, the Democratic presidential candidate told Hill.TV during an appearance on Rising.

The Hawaii representative maintained that impeachment will only deepen the hyperpartisan divides, and argued that most people will only see it as another politically-motivated move by Democrats to oust Trump.


Tulsi Gabbard is pandering trash if there was anybody remaining who didn't realize it
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Peace___Frog
09/25/19 6:27:58 PM
#105:


WaPo reporting that the Ukrainian administration believed the call to have been a quid pro quo agreement.

If they believed it to be so, it was probably intended to be communicated that way.
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NFUN
09/25/19 6:31:43 PM
#106:


@Jakyl25 just block corrik at this point
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Grimlyn
09/25/19 6:38:48 PM
#107:


what a perfect week for Tulsi to have qualified for the october debate
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Jakyl25
09/25/19 6:41:17 PM
#108:


NFUN posted...
@Jakyl25 just block corrik at this point


Thats not how it works. He has to block me
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Corrik7
09/25/19 6:42:49 PM
#109:


Jakyl25 posted...
Thats not how it works. He has to block me
For what

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Grimlyn
09/25/19 6:43:59 PM
#110:


Jakyl25 posted...
Thats not how it works. He has to block me

wut

you blocking corrik or corrik blocking you would lead to the same effect - neither of you seeing each other's posts (you have to Ignore in order to Block)

source: blocking corrik
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NFUN
09/25/19 6:52:22 PM
#111:


Jakyl25 posted...
NFUN posted...
@Jakyl25 just block corrik at this point


Thats not how it works. He has to block me

It is how it works
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Corrik7
09/25/19 6:53:39 PM
#112:


Peace___Frog posted...
WaPo reporting that the Ukrainian administration believed the call to have been a quid pro quo agreement.

If they believed it to be so, it was probably intended to be communicated that way.
See that nowhere on their website or via any googles.

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MalcolmMasher
09/25/19 6:54:09 PM
#113:


you blocking corrik or corrik blocking you would lead to the same effect - neither of you seeing each other's posts (you have to Ignore in order to Block)

I believe the difference is: if Corrik blocks Jakyl25, then Corrik stops being able to see the Politics Containment Topics (since Jakyl25 typically creates them.)
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ChaosTonyV4
09/25/19 6:55:39 PM
#114:


You can keep people you block from seeing your topics and posts now, I believe.
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Corrik7
09/25/19 6:56:28 PM
#115:


MalcolmMasher posted...
you blocking corrik or corrik blocking you would lead to the same effect - neither of you seeing each other's posts (you have to Ignore in order to Block)

I believe the difference is: if Corrik blocks Jakyl25, then Corrik stops being able to see the Politics Containment Topics (since Jakyl25 typically creates them.)
No. Works the same either way.

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NFUN
09/25/19 6:58:16 PM
#116:


MalcolmMasher posted...
you blocking corrik or corrik blocking you would lead to the same effect - neither of you seeing each other's posts (you have to Ignore in order to Block)

I believe the difference is: if Corrik blocks Jakyl25, then Corrik stops being able to see the Politics Containment Topics (since Jakyl25 typically creates them.)

No. Works the same either way. And that's the point; I don't even have Corrik blocked
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Forceful_Dragon
09/25/19 6:58:32 PM
#117:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
You can keep people you block from seeing your topics and posts now, I believe.


Can confirm.

Ignore is the feature we have had for awhile that stops you from seeing their posts.

Block is the new feature that takes it a step further and prevents that person from seeing your posts too.

Source: Ulti blocked me because I used math to explain why he doesn't know what he's talking about in the hearthstone topic. This resulted in all his posts/topics disappearing for me.

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Peace___Frog
09/25/19 6:58:56 PM
#118:


You have to actually read to find it.

Zelenskys entire administration was concerned that the aid that was being cut off to Ukraine by the president was a consequence for their unwillingness, at the time, to investigate the Bidens, Murphy said, citing his interactions with numerous Ukrainian officials during an early September trip there. Murphy said he heard directly from Zelensky about his concern about why the aid was being cut off to Ukraine, though the Ukraines new president did not specifically broach the subject of a quid pro quo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/ 2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html
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Corrik7
09/25/19 7:02:41 PM
#119:


Peace___Frog posted...
You have to actually read to find it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/ 2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html
That doesn't really say what you mean though does it?

It says they didn't know why and were concerned it could be.

That if anything seems to point against it being a quid pro quo. At least one being pushed and made by Trump.

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Corrik7
09/25/19 7:09:29 PM
#120:




https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukrainians-understood-biden-probe-condition-trump-zelensky-phone/story?id=65863043

Here you go, Peaf.

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Maniac64
09/25/19 7:11:20 PM
#121:


I mean it sounds like an unsuccessful attempt at quid pro quo. The deal was offered, Ukraine refused to do what Trump wanted so he didnt give them the money. Then when they thought it might come back on them they released the funds.

Edit: that article doesnt mention the money at all so I'm not sure why you brought it up to peaf. Ukraine says they were not pushed but also that any communication with the WH required discussion of investigating Biden which Ukraine saw as interfering in the US elections. Seems like a wash at best.
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Reg
09/25/19 7:16:15 PM
#122:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Source: Ulti blocked me

badge of honor tbqh

Maniac64 posted...
I mean it sounds like an unsuccessful attempt at quid pro quo. The deal was offered, Ukraine refused to do what Trump wanted so he didnt give them the money. Then when they thought it might come back on them they released the funds.

Pretty much, yeah. And if you don't think that's at the very least a gross misuse and abuse of power, then I dunno what you're on but I'd like some.
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Grimlyn
09/25/19 7:18:46 PM
#123:


the issue people are caught on is that if someone is blocked they might still be able to be linked to the topic even if they still can't see your posts (thus the OP)

like if someone linked me to a Corrik topic, I'd still see the rest of the posts that aren't ignored/blocked for me, and I'd still be able to post in the topic

although if everyone blocks you, you might find an entirely blank topic! so uh if there's nothing you see to respond to it's hard to make a post
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Jakyl25
09/25/19 7:20:17 PM
#124:


Ulti also has me blocked on his main account because he thinks I mark all his posts or something

In reality Ive maybe marked 10 of them ever
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Corrik7
09/25/19 7:20:25 PM
#125:


Maniac64 posted...
I mean it sounds like an unsuccessful attempt at quid pro quo. The deal was offered, Ukraine refused to do what Trump wanted so he didnt give them the money. Then when they thought it might come back on them they released the funds.

Edit: that article doesnt mention the money at all so I'm not sure why you included it. Ukraine says they were not pushed but also that any communication with the WH required discussion of investigating Biden which Ukraine saw as interfering in the US elections. Seems like a wash at best.
I posted it because that is a more direct news story in which Trump supposedly was dealing with foreign nations differently depending on how they operated in regards to Biden.

I am not sure it is a crime, but if he actually wouldn't have diplomatic relations with a country just because they wouldn't investigate a political opponent, that is actually pretty troubling.

That said, it seems a lot of the mess will need to be sorted through here in the end.

We have a CNN report saying that the republican senator who read the report saying it is "troubling".

Another Republican saying she read it and to declassify it and get it out to the American public asap because there is nothing to impeach over.

So, we will see what that report says.

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Maniac64
09/25/19 7:24:42 PM
#126:


Got it. Thought you were posting it as a counter argument. My misunderstanding.
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ChaosTonyV4
09/25/19 7:42:28 PM
#127:


https://www.axios.com/zelensky-ukraine-trump-phone-call-biden-case-907c2ff6-5017-454c-a671-85077fc4025a.html

It was clear that Trump will only have communications if they will discuss the Biden case. This issue was raised many times. I know that Ukrainian officials understood."
Serhiy Leshchenko

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Corrik7
09/25/19 8:22:29 PM
#128:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://www.axios.com/zelensky-ukraine-trump-phone-call-biden-case-907c2ff6-5017-454c-a671-85077fc4025a.html

It was clear that Trump will only have communications if they will discuss the Biden case. This issue was raised many times. I know that Ukrainian officials understood."
Serhiy Leshchenko
Literally already linked, bud.

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Reg
09/25/19 8:39:52 PM
#129:


https://twitter.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status/1177000181629423616

Just read the Whistleblower report.

This thing is bigger that I thought.


Relatedly, Trump has "retroactively classified" whistleblower report.
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PerfectChaosZ
09/25/19 9:03:58 PM
#130:


I have blocked Corrik before but I think its a different account -_-
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Corrik7
09/25/19 9:11:37 PM
#131:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
I have blocked Corrik before but I think its a different account -_-
I have not had a different account since blocking went into effect.

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LordoftheMorons
09/25/19 9:23:54 PM
#132:


Some news on Trumps earlier (April) phone call with Zelensky!

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1177029787006787585?s=21
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red sox 777
09/25/19 9:28:01 PM
#133:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Some news on Trumps earlier (April) phone call with Zelensky!

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1177029787006787585?s=21


He told the Ukrainian president they should work together to root out corruption? How upstanding of him!
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PerfectChaosZ
09/25/19 9:29:55 PM
#134:


Well it sure didnt have a 7 on it.
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Jakyl25
09/25/19 9:32:05 PM
#135:


https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177?s=21

Oh nothing, just the president of the United States announcing that Nancy Pelosi is no longer Speaker of the House.


Ive seen some mockery of this (and will no doubt see more from the TV comedians) but COME ON guys.

EVEN *I* understood what he meant here, and I rarely give him the benefit of the doubt
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Jakyl25
09/25/19 9:45:14 PM
#136:


https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1177015195958423552?s=21

A senior Trump admin. official tells @NBCNews that Giulianis claim that the State Dept. asked me to look into Ukraine or initiated his interactions with Ukraines government is false.


The rats are eating themselves
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Jakyl25
09/25/19 9:47:03 PM
#138:


Also with regard to that:

https://twitter.com/philiprucker/status/1176961188804083713?s=21

Trump says Congress should ask for VP Pence's conversations with Zelensky.


He assured us that those calls were all wonderful too but why even bring it up unless youre trying to throw him under the bus
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red sox 777
09/25/19 9:48:50 PM
#139:


So assuming the House impeaches, the Senate should use this opportunity to root out corruption. Subpoena Bill and Hillary, James Comey, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Joe Biden, Loretta Lynch, all of them. Grill them on their corruption. They can plead the 5th if they want.
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skullbone
09/25/19 9:55:27 PM
#140:


red sox 777 posted...
So assuming the House impeaches, the Senate should use this opportunity to root out corruption. Subpoena Bill and Hillary, James Comey, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Joe Biden, Loretta Lynch, all of them. Grill them on their corruption. They can plead the 5th if they want.


You are an insane person. What happened to you to make you this way?
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LordoftheMorons
09/25/19 10:26:54 PM
#141:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Some news on Trumps earlier (April) phone call with Zelensky!

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1177029787006787585?s=21

thread on this:
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1177040729010593792
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Jakyl25
09/25/19 10:32:33 PM
#142:


LordoftheMorons posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Some news on Trumps earlier (April) phone call with Zelensky!

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1177029787006787585?s=21

thread on this:
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1177040729010593792


Is the House competent enough to do a similar level of investigating? <_<
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xp1337
09/25/19 10:37:30 PM
#143:


I just hope the House is competent enough to realize they should be having actual lawyers do the questioning like they finally did at the end of the Lewandowski hearing instead of the usual "5 minutes of trying to look tough" thing for each member.
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TheRock1525
09/25/19 10:38:06 PM
#144:


Jakyl25 posted...
Is the House competent enough


No.
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LordoftheMorons
09/25/19 10:40:03 PM
#145:


xp1337 posted...
I just hope the House is competent enough to realize they should be having actual lawyers do the questioning like they finally did at the end of the Lewandowski hearing instead of the usual "5 minutes of trying to look tough" thing for each member.

Yes, definitely. Much more effective and focused.
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xp1337
09/25/19 10:55:17 PM
#146:


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-whistleblower.html

"The intelligence officer who filed a whistle-blower complaint against President Trump's interactions with the leader of Ukraine raised alarms not only about what the two men said in a phone call, but also how the White House handled records of the conversation"

oh my god

I posted, yesterday...
To continue on some "stupid Watergate" parallels.

The Watergate burglars actually got away with it the first time. It was only when one of the transmitters was defective and they went back the second time that they got caught.

Also Nixon announced he'd release the tapes... in what turned out to be a heavily misleading release.

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Nelson_Mandela
09/25/19 10:58:20 PM
#147:


This is giving me flashbacks to kavanaugh

Immediate visceral reactions to overblown media reports > Dems preemptively celebrating > evidence slowly emerging > conservatives disseminating counterpoints > public turning against initial reactions > conservatives winning the debate and the actual vote > Democrats looking like complete boobs > public remembering that the media is not to be trusted

I think we're at the fourth to last stage now

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xp1337
09/25/19 11:15:55 PM
#148:


Also apparently the whistleblower complaint has been declassified (after being "retroactively classified")

what a mess
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TheRock1525
09/25/19 11:19:31 PM
#149:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
This is giving me flashbacks to kavanaugh

Immediate visceral reactions to overblown media reports > Dems preemptively celebrating > evidence slowly emerging > conservatives disseminating counterpoints > public turning against initial reactions > conservatives winning the debate and the actual vote > Democrats looking like complete boobs > public remembering that the media is not to be trusted

I think we're at the fourth to last stage now


How are you even posting after that stupid comment about Biden's sons?
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xp1337
09/25/19 11:22:47 PM
#150:


tbqh that chain is missing the final stage which was "democrats win 40 seats in the house"
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red sox 777
09/25/19 11:40:28 PM
#151:


xp1337 posted...
tbqh that chain is missing the final stage which was "democrats win 40 seats in the house"


What does the House have to do with Kavanaugh? Republicans gained in the Senate.
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Forceful_Dragon
09/25/19 11:42:06 PM
#152:


And I'm sure you feel the Senate map that was in play in 2018 had nothing to do with that.

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Jakyl25
09/25/19 11:43:42 PM
#153:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
This is giving me flashbacks to kavanaugh


A lot of women at his college would say thats a bad thing
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