Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 240: Slow News Week

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Reg
10/01/19 4:05:32 PM
#455:


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Like if you arent in the House or Senate, theres no say you have in the process, so please dont fundraise around it

Sanders, Warren, Harris, Booker, Gabbard and Klobuchar are the only debate-qualified candidates in either chamber.

Are any of them actually doing this? I would be varying levels of surprised to hear any of them were.
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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 4:13:34 PM
#456:


Should have checked before posting that. Sorry.

Looks like Biden, Harris, and Bullock are kinda doing it by asking people to sign a petition, which then links to a donation page:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-2020-democrats-impeachment-drum-fundraising-support/story?id=65836390

Trump, of course, is explicitly fundraising off of it.

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Reg
10/01/19 4:15:34 PM
#457:


Harris was the one I considered explicitly calling out as probably doing it, but I didn't know for sure so I held my tongue.

Fuck all three of them, though.
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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 4:18:41 PM
#458:


Another question I had: is the Trump campaign even legally allowed to spend money on impeachment defense?

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Jakyl25
10/01/19 4:19:55 PM
#459:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Another question I had: is the Trump campaign even legally allowed to spend money on impeachment defense?


What are they gonna do about it, impeach him?
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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 4:22:44 PM
#460:


Well, the Trump campaign is a different entity than Donald Trump, so they could presumably be sued!

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/01/19 4:32:11 PM
#461:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Should have checked before posting that. Sorry.

Looks like Biden, Harris, and Bullock are kinda doing it by asking people to sign a petition, which then links to a donation page:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-2020-democrats-impeachment-drum-fundraising-support/story?id=65836390

Trump, of course, is explicitly fundraising off of it.


Honest question, how is this any different from how they fundraise off literally any other issue? Draw attention to an issue they support, get engagement, ask for money. They don't seem to be literally asking for money to affect the issue (which Trump IS doing for his "defense force") so I don't even see the big deal. This just seems like the normal garbage of money in politics and not a special case worth singling out from the whole thing.

Also you left out Warren, who the article also mentions is running ads promoting impeachment.

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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 4:37:10 PM
#462:


It is better that theyre not directly fundraising off of impeachment, but the general point is that you dont want to give oxygen to the idea that impeachment is being done for political advantage. Its being done because Trump has abused the power of his office, forcing Congress to remove him.

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Reg
10/01/19 4:40:50 PM
#463:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Honest question, how is this any different from how they fundraise off literally any other issue?

In addition to what LotM said that, using impeachment as the issue to drum up support over is basically a "hey I'm not Donald Trump" argument, and fuck that.

And obviously anybody directly raising money for the process itself a la Trump is dozens of times worse.
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HeroDelTiempo17
10/01/19 4:45:32 PM
#464:


Alright, that all makes sense to me looking at the messaging aspect. I guess I'm just jaded.

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Reg
10/01/19 4:49:45 PM
#465:


Keep in mind I do strongly agree with the idea of eliminating money in politics. I just can't ignore that until something actually changes on that front, we have what we have.
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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 4:52:32 PM
#466:


Speaking of which...: https://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP/status/1179134205760016391

This is a huge advantage for Trump relative to 2016.

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Corrik7
10/01/19 4:53:08 PM
#467:


Why would Trump even need money to defend against impeachment? Surely that just uses government funds to do so.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/01/19 4:54:28 PM
#468:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Speaking of which...: https://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP/status/1179134205760016391

This is a huge advantage for Trump relative to 2016.


I shared the article earlier, but Bernie alone raised 25 million in the 3rd quarter. He also hit 1 million unique donors, at the fastest rate its ever been done.
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skullbone
10/01/19 4:55:58 PM
#469:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Speaking of which...: https://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP/status/1179134205760016391

This is a huge advantage for Trump relative to 2016.


Top reply on that tweet:

"From what countries?"

LOOOOL
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SmartMuffin
10/01/19 7:07:19 PM
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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 7:34:46 PM
#471:


This could be something:

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1179158728031035392

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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 7:42:16 PM
#472:


https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1179156540835500032

Im told that Pompeos office in recent days asked State Department HR/IG if they could discipline officers for failure to follow direction if they cooperate with Congress.


This is following reports that Volker and Yovanovitch were going to testify despite Pompeo's efforts

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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 8:04:46 PM
#473:


Speaking of Trumps impeachable offenses...
https://twitter.com/ianbassin/status/1179117225602682880?s=21

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Reg
10/01/19 8:26:46 PM
#474:


LordoftheMorons posted...
This could be something:

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1179158728031035392

Reeks of the State Department trying to destroy evidence, tbh
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xp1337
10/01/19 8:56:22 PM
#475:


Reg posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
This could be something:

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1179158728031035392

Reeks of the State Department trying to destroy evidence, tbh

This is DOJ so it may (probably) not be directly related, but it reminds me of this other story from today: https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1179162833055027202

tl;dr: A watchdog group filed a lawsuit back in May accusing the Trump administration of failing to create and properly save records of Trump's conversations with foreign leaders, well before any of this became front and center. That group requested an emergency order requiring the White House to preserve records of all of Trump's calls with foreign leaders today because y'know it suddenly became a lot more relevant.

DOJ was hedging hard and was repeatedly questioned by the judge why they couldn't simply give voluntary assurance that they wouldn't destroy the records as opposed to the alternative where she'd be forced to rule on the order.
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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 9:19:55 PM
#476:


Pompeo pushed out Volker:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pompeo-pushed-out-his-own-ukraine-representative-kurt-volker-to-quiet-a-growing-scandal

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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 11:00:23 PM
#477:


More fucked up shit:
https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/1179154071476830208

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Kenri
10/01/19 11:08:26 PM
#478:


Definitely messed up, but the aesthetics are very good. Very supervillain.

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xp1337
10/01/19 11:23:32 PM
#479:


I still almost can't believe that wasn't from The Onion.
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red sox 777
10/01/19 11:44:09 PM
#480:


A moat with snakes and alligators will stop the immigrants from coming. We might also need roving bands of trained sharks to patrol the coasts off of San Diego. Sure, Americans won't be able to use the beaches, but most of them in California voted for Hillary, so they deserve it.

Off the Texas coast, we'll have a welcome center for immigrants where they will receive an acre of federal land, a mule, $1,000 a month per family member, a Make America Great Again hat for each family member, membership in the Republican Party, and provisional citizenship that automatically terminates when Trump is no longer president.
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LordoftheMorons
10/01/19 11:45:08 PM
#481:


Trump's afraid of sharks, though

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red sox 777
10/01/19 11:46:17 PM
#482:


And, it's time to admit that asking Mexico to pay for the wall was a mistake. Mexico is a poor country that doesn't have a lot of money to spare. We need to go after those with the means to pay - liberals!

We need internal tariffs against California and New York (except for Trump businesses). Make the liberals pay for the Wall!
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Panthera
10/02/19 4:20:11 AM
#483:


Why not just get Russia to pay for the wall? Sounds like a solution that would make everyone happy.
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Corrik7
10/02/19 11:11:56 AM
#484:


Bernie basically had a heart attack I guess.

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Metal_DK
10/02/19 11:14:44 AM
#485:


Get well soon bernie.

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HashtagSEP
10/02/19 11:18:39 AM
#486:


New polls show 60% of Tulsi Gabbard's constituents want her to drop out of the Presidential race, and 50% of Democrats want to see a primary challenger for the House

Tulsi's own people hate Tulsi
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NFUN
10/02/19 11:19:27 AM
#487:


tulsi is the savior of mankind
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Jakyl25
10/02/19 11:26:32 AM
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NFUN
10/02/19 11:27:01 AM
#489:


because posting context is apparently difficult:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-78-canceled-events-notice-hospitalized/story?id=66003850
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The Mana Sword
10/02/19 11:29:10 AM
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Reg
10/02/19 11:39:50 AM
#491:


Sounds like it's minor and he should be back up and running within a week or so
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kevwaffles
10/02/19 11:45:52 AM
#492:


It could still be enough to tank his support. Closer to primaries and I'd say definitely, but the voters have short memories.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/02/19 11:46:41 AM
#493:


Makes me love him all the more
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Grimlyn
10/02/19 11:53:12 AM
#494:


Reminder the next debate is in 2 weeks
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Corrik7
10/02/19 1:10:16 PM
#495:


Trump is blasting that alligator and snake filled moat report lol. Says media has gone crazy.

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banananor
10/02/19 1:18:38 PM
#496:


This has to be the end of Bernie's campaign

Unless he comes out next week and slam dunks a basketball

It was a big deal when Hillary was tired one day
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banananor
10/02/19 1:19:57 PM
#497:


Corrik7 posted...
Trump is blasting that alligator and snake filled moat report lol. Says media has gone crazy.

Yeah, if I were playing a game of mafia and I was the mafia, that's how I would react to leaked night transcripts!
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HeroDelTiempo17
10/02/19 1:20:48 PM
#498:


Corrik7 posted...
Trump is blasting that alligator and snake filled moat report lol. Says media has gone crazy.


Same thing he did when it came out he wanted to look into bombing hurricanes so unsurprising.

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GildedFool
10/02/19 1:40:21 PM
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GildedFool
10/02/19 1:41:07 PM
#500:


Also, calling it the Times of London is so Americo-centric.

It's just The Times.

NY Times, Times of India, etc. just aped it's name.
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