Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 240: Slow News Week

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Amber Guyger found guilty of murder.

Rare footage of the system actually working.

...Trump's gonna pardon her, isn't he.

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I like Krystal Ball
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Apparently she admitted that when she entered the apartment (that she allegedly thought was her own), she already intended to kill the "intruder" inside. That makes it outright murder.

Fucking scumbag. This is how our cops think, go in guns blazing every time and be a hero.

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Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Amber Guyger found guilty of murder.

No link because the last two I clicked were doing that stupid subscribe thing, so I don't have the details.

Surprised. No idea how she was convicted of first degree murder.

Where have you found out what degree it was? I agree first degree murder would be an incorrect verdict but I cant find that news anywhere
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47 min ago
The jury began deliberating Monday
From CNN's Ashley Killough

The jury began deliberating in the murder trial of former police officer Amber Guyger on Monday.
The jury was instructed to decide whether Guyger is guilty of first-degree murder. If found not guilty, the jury should then consider a lesser charge of manslaughter.
The defense also rested its case Monday in Guyger's trial for killing Botham Jean in his Dallas apartment in 2018.

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Okay well if those are the only options, first degree is more accurate than manslaughter
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Jakyl25 posted...

Okay well if those are the only options, first degree is more accurate than manslaughter

Not really. But, from what I understand they are saying she let him die by not using her first aid kit and giving enough aid. Thus, it was intentional? Idk. First degree murder doesn't make a lot of sense tho.

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Apparently Texas does not use the terms "first degree" and "second degree" murder. First degree is called capital murder and second degree is called murder. It looks like that's what she was convicted here.
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red sox 777 posted...

Apparently Texas does not use the terms "first degree" and "second degree" murder. First degree is called capital murder and second degree is called murder. It looks like that's what she was convicted here.

I see. Well, okay. She clearly did murder the guy, accidentally. CNN with the wrong info yet again.

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Cops only shoot to kill right? Thats what we are always told, that shooting to wound them is impractical which is why they dont do that. If she shot her gun, it was intended to kill.
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The Difference Between Manslaughter And Murder In Texas
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When one person dies as a result of another persons actions, that is always considered a homicide. However, there are various kinds of homicide, not all of which are illegal (i.e. self-defense), with varying degrees of repercussions.
Criminal homicide cases are divided into two different charges: murder and manslaughter.
To help you understand the difference in Texas, weve detailed each below:
Murder

Murder charges are further divided based on the severity and other circumstances surrounding the crime. While many states separate murder charges into first and second degree murder, Texas law makes a distinction between capital murder and murder.
In order to be charged with murder, the defendant must have knowingly and willingly caused the death of another person. The biggest distinguishing factor between murder and manslaughter involves the intent of the perpetrator. If the defendant intended to cause serious bodily harm or death, or intended to commit a felony other than manslaughter that resulted in death, he or she can be charged with murder.

Manslaughter
Many states have two different forms of manslaughter: voluntary and involuntary. Texas, however, combines these two charges into one and has enhanced penalties for certain aggravating factors.
To be convicted of manslaughter, a defendant must be proven beyond reasonable doubt to have recklessly caused the death of another person. As opposed to murder, intent does not need to be proven in order to convict someone of manslaughter.

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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1178989254309011456?s=21

Trump tweeted a fake 2016 map.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Okay well if those are the only options, first degree is more accurate than manslaughter

For reference, Texas doesn't have first/second/third degree murder. It has Murder, Manslaughter, and Capital Murder, where Capital Murder applies when the victim is an LEO, general "Felony Murder" situations, the perp was paid for the murder, murder of somebody under 10 years old, and a few other conditions I'm too lazy to double check at the moment.

All of that said, holy shit the system works for once. God fucking bless that jury doing the right thing.

That's hella tricky. She obviously meant to kill the person. But, she meant to kill the person due to accidental reasons.

Manslaughter here seems to fit the best. Recklessly causing the loss of life.

On the other side, it's messed up for someone obviously to lose their life just sitting at home doing nothing wrong but watching TV. A punishment is definitely required, but I would think it makes more sense to not ruin 2 lives over 1 accidental mistake also. So, I would expect a more lenient sentencing on the murder charge, if possible.

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Corrik7 posted...

She clearly did murder the guy, accidentally

She was accidentally in the wrong apartment. Once there, she murdered the man intentionally
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Wow, Corrik going utilitarian
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1178989254309011456?s=21

Trump tweeted a fake 2016 map.

Dude is literally sharing a meme taunting people to impeach him.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Cops only shoot to kill right? Thats what we are always told, that shooting to wound them is impractical which is why they dont do that. If she shot her gun, it was intended to kill.

Right but even in castle doctrine in Texas the use of deadly force has to be both reasonable and necessary. You have to establish self-defense, which also means not being the instigating party. So without any de-escalation or reasonable threat, the intent to kill is just murder.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dude is literally sharing a meme taunting people to impeach him.

Thanks, captain obvious. We were unsure of what he was literally doing there.

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Also, while I'm in a good mood, this is a reminder that if Guyger wasn't a cop, this would've certainly been a cut and dry murder conviction with nobody really trying to argue manslaughter, let alone an acquittal.

Which is absurd, because cops should be held to higher standards, but I'll take the victories we can get. Especially when they're local to me.

Reg posted...

Also, while I'm in a good mood, this is a reminder that if Guyger wasn't a cop, this would've certainly been a cut and dry murder conviction with nobody really trying to argue manslaughter, let alone an acquittal.

Which is absurd, because cops should be held to higher standards, but I'll take the victories we can get. Especially when they're local to me.

Maybe its because she was off-duty

Imagine if she had killed someone in the wrong apartment on duty
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Jakyl25 posted...

Imagine if she had killed someone in the wrong apartment on duty

A month of paid leave until DPD announces "we investigated ourselves and found no evidence we did anything wrong"?

Yeah, the legal question seemed to be whether incorrectly believing yourself to be in your own is enough to invoke the castle doctrine

It's like self defense clauses. When you kill someone in self defense, it's still murder. You're not contesting that. The onus is then on you to prove the murder was justified, and different states have different criteria for that

The jury has to interpret any force used as reasonable unless the state proves it otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt, said Pete Schulte, a Dallas-based lawyer.

According to Schulte and Fort Worth law firm Barnett Howard & Williams, a person can claim self-defense if:

- They believed someone was on their property illegally.
- They reasonably believed the deadly force was immediately necessary.
- They did not provoke the person against which the deadly force was used.
- They werent engaged in criminal activity (other than a minor traffic offense) at the time the deadly force was used.

Honestly, I think the jury went down the list and found her guilty by the letter of the law.

I'm aware there is racial subtext, but I believe the jury was doing their best to be impartial
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Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dude is literally sharing a meme taunting people to impeach him.

Thanks, captain obvious. We were unsure of what he was literally doing there.

Some people dont click Twitter links, and I was commenting in disbelief.

You ok?
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Someone should tell Trump that dirt doesnt vote. You cant just color red on bits and think it gives you more votes.

Jakyl25 posted...

Trump tweeted a fake 2016 map.

Someone should probably show him Nixon's 1972 Map.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179023001989373952

I still have no idea for what Trump thinks quotation marks are supposed to be used

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Old people use quotes for emphasis, in the way that we might use asterisks or tildes (in the absence of italics, bold, or underline capabilities).

It makes me cringe every time our vp of sales sends emails thanking us for our "hard work" and dedication to "integrity".
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/maybe-its-a-little-early-to-write-off-bernie-sanders/

That sure is some headline.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179023001989373952

I still have no idea for what Trump thinks quotation marks are supposed to be used

I also have no clue why he thinks apostrophes are hyphens
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Peace___Frog posted...

Old people use quotes for emphasis, in the way that we might use asterisks or tildes (in the absence of italics, bold, or underline capabilities).

It makes me cringe every time our vp of sales sends emails thanking us for our "hard work" and dedication to "integrity".

I wonder if that was the proper way to do it on typewriters.

Im old enough to have used a typewriter to write up something for school but I have no idea
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Some people dont click Twitter links, and I was commenting in disbelief.

You ok?

I am quite fine. Jakyl also said it was a fake map when it is an accurate county by county result map.

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It isn't, but go off lol
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Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Some people dont click Twitter links, and I was commenting in disbelief.

You ok?

I am quite fine. Jakyl also said it was a fake map when it is an accurate county by county result map.

Correct, it is an accurate county by county result map

of the 2004 Presidential election, lmao.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Correct, it is an accurate county by county result map

of the 2004 Presidential election, lmao.

I just linked you to an article saying it is accurate.

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From CNN
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Jakyl25 posted...

From CNN

Yes. Some sites say it was before the results were finalized which accounts for some differences, especially in Alaska, but I have never seen anywhere say it is a map from 2004 at any point.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#/media/File%3A2016_Presidential_Election_by_County.svg

The actual map

Im not really sure about Trumps either way to be honest. Its so blurry you cant see a lot of the small blue isolated counties (also the letters are obscuring some of them)
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And oh yeah his is massively off on Alaska
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I dunno, to me it looks like a heavily edited version of this map to make it more misleading

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/07/30/presenting-the-least-misleading-map-of-the-2016-election/

Tbqh I like the popular vote map proposed in the article, seems most accurate

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Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Correct, it is an accurate county by county result map

of the 2004 Presidential election, lmao.

I just linked you to an article saying it is accurate.

Where is this link? Am I blind?

Regardless, there are a ton of counties that went blue that are red on his map.

It is wrong.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/01/four-simple-reasons-that-trumps-impeach-this-map-doesnt-make-any-sense/

#4 on this list shows specific (big) counties that are red on his map and went to Hillary.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Where is this link? Am I blind?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/01/politics/donald-trump-map-2016-election/index.html

Forgot I deleted it cuz I misresponded to peaf.

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Chris Cilizza is a well known tool
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https://twitter.com/kevinmkruse/status/1178830367840772096?s=21

lmao

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Rare good point from Tulsi:

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1178751950524829696?s=21

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what candidates are actually doing that
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How do you even fundraise off impeachment?
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Like if you arent in the House or Senate, theres no say you have in the process, so please dont fundraise around it
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Announce you support it publicly while also fundraising?
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Are any of them actually doing this or is this just Tulsi trying to go "Look how much the others suck, centrists! Let's go centrists, yeah!" again?
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