Board 8 > Zelda plays Danganronpa for the first time (spoilers)

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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:12:32 AM
#252:


#4 Genocide Jill

GJ is ranked separately from Toko because I think merging the two just to place them in the middle is a poor way to show the whole picture.

Like Celestia, this character is all design, and even more extremely than Celestia. GJ is one of the most awesome ideas this game had. Suddenly that girl who sucks is the Ultimate Serial Killer, and now she is hanging out with the other kids, boasting about scissors and murders and blood. It's surreal. It's delicious. It's one of those legendary meme moments, like interrogating a parrot.

And her dialogue.... is absolutely hilarious. She randomly goes on about how fun killing people is, then about how she loves Byakuya and/or wants to stab him to death (even Byakuya can't hide he's scared of her), then she goes pornographic, but not too much to overstay her welcome like Toko.

And she never kills or is killed, so she just stays there, as the friendly neighborhood serial killer. And to top it all, you learn she never had her memory wiped out, but she didn't say anything because nobody asked. She probably remembers all of the last 2 years. That raises a lot of questions.

She is just in to enjoy herself, maybe kill a pretty boy or two, and scare the shit out of everyone. You can't help but smile every time she's on the screen. She makes Case 2 from what could have been the weakest case into a very memorable one. She is a joke character, but a very good one.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:13:43 AM
#253:


swordz9 posted...
Most of your top characters are gonna be ones I rank at the bottom. DR1s cast was really poor. Like I think I even ranked Makoto high just because he wasnt an unlikable prick or super dumb/annoying lol


I agree DR1 cast is weak, but it's more because I think too many of them are super bland and cliche. I already ranked all of those. The characters they actually bother to write as three-dimensonal I enjoyed.
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Xiahou Shake
09/02/19 2:58:15 PM
#254:


Byakuya up high means this is a good ranking, ^5
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Mewtwo59
09/02/19 3:18:39 PM
#255:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
#6 Sayaka Maizono

The Ace Attorney series has a rule: whenever the protagonist thinks someone is innocent, they are. Phoenix and co. have undying faith in their clients, and will never give up on defending them. It's common for the client to be a close friend of theirs, usually a girl, who they will defend because they know the girl is innocent. In 6 games, I've never seen the series have the balls to break that rule.


Did you just forget Farewell, My Turnabout? It broke that rule pretty hard.

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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 3:34:39 PM
#257:


Mewtwo59 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
#6 Sayaka Maizono

The Ace Attorney series has a rule: whenever the protagonist thinks someone is innocent, they are. Phoenix and co. have undying faith in their clients, and will never give up on defending them. It's common for the client to be a close friend of theirs, usually a girl, who they will defend because they know the girl is innocent. In 6 games, I've never seen the series have the balls to break that rule.


Did you just forget Farewell, My Turnabout? It broke that rule pretty hard.


Nope. I just don't count it because it's not a case of Phoenix believing in his defendant. The game had to blackmail him into doing the job. If anything it proves the rule because it had to come up with an excuse to justify defending a guilty guy.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 3:49:40 PM
#258:


#3 Byakuya Togami

Let's make it clear: Byakuya is an asshole. I won't try to redeem him. He is this high on pure "Love to Hate" status.

And he pulls it off well. The guy is a complete psycho. He sets up a murder scene on Case 2 just because it is fun. He loses his shit in Case 4 just because he is not the one solving the murder. And in both of those occasions he convinces you he is a likely killer, because it's hard to proccess the fact he's just that much of a dick. I think the first time he ever mellows out is in the ending scene, where he says if you call him for help he might listen. Before that he never drops his attitude, that he's doing everything for himself and himself only.

I think my biggest frustration is how he never became a killer, because he would have been a great one. I wanted to slowly wipe out that smug smile out of his face. And it could have been very close to a perfect murder, because Byakuya is almost as good a detective as Kyoko, so he wouldn't make obvious mistakes.

Instead, he realizes the game is rigged against him, and that he would be better off trying to break it, and that causes him to kind of fall into the background compared to Makoto and Kyoko. He still gets some moments though, like controlling Case 5 and trying to get Makoto/Kyoko executed, and later on finding out his family got wiped out, and quickly recovering from it.

He has an intersting story, too. Free Time implies he's not just born rich, but had to earn his right to be a heir by working hard. He is talented and hard-working, and proud of it. But like Kyoko says, his lack of empathy is his biggest weakness.

I gotta respect characters who are such jerks they make you despise them. And Byakuya is not only that, but he makes the game more interesting by being in it. He is a very strong presence, both as a detective and an antagonist. I wouldn't mind if he was executed, but it was nice to have him around all game too.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 4:09:12 PM
#259:


#2: Sakura Ogami

BADASS

I could end the ranking here. I love badassery, and Sakura is more badass the the rest of the cast combined.

Sakura was killed by the only person who could kill Sakura: herself. Two other characters tried, it was futile. Before going down, she challenged Monokuma to combat, the same Monokuma who threatened to impale to death anyone who attacked him. She made a vow to resist him, then broke a door she wasn't allowed to, and killed herself. Because of that, she created the spark of Hope that initiated the revolution. She convinced even Byakuya to stop plotting against the others. She was the absolute MVP of this game, both in the creating the motivation, and providing the actual tool they need to start the revolt (the unlocked door). I can only imagine Junko's face as that juggernaut smashed the Headmaster's door to try to find her. It'd wager the kids could have stood a chance by winning just with Sakura's strength, had she not killed herself.

Sakura even had a deleted execution scene that so cool it was showed off in Monokuma Theater.

I don't have much more to say. There is nothing to criticize about Sakura, I just like Kyoko more.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 4:20:55 PM
#260:


#1 Kyoko Kirigiri

But there is one thing I love more than badassery: intelligence.

And there is one thing I really dislike in stories: when the plot stalls because someone is being an idiot.

Kyoko is your ultimate vaccine to character idiocy. You start being stupid in front of her and she will shut you down. She would often just say whatever I was thinking and wanting to say, except they put it into her mouth because apparently Makoto is forbidden from saying anything that is not deduced from a mini-game.

She is the real protagonist of this game, and the one who makes the biggest deductions, and the best bluffs. The game would be much better if they just ditched Makoto and let you be her. Maybe ditched those mini-games along with Makoto.

The point is, Kyoko just conducting the trials and making them more logical and less annoying gave me such a strong impression it made me love the character. Her being ahead of the entire whole cast in terms of figuring out the plot did, too, because that's another case of her doing what the players wants to do. If anything, my grip with her is that she takes too long to start trusting Makoto, so you don't learn about those snippets of plot as fast as she does.

She has an interesting backstory too, albeit a little cliche. She loves being a detective and figuring things out, and she hates her father for being a bigger part of how others perceive her (the abandoned girl) than her skills.

Her execution scene was the saddest moment in the game for me, too, even though I wasn't sure if it was real.

I love Kyoko, please bring more of her in future games.
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swordz9
09/02/19 4:27:42 PM
#261:


MrSmartGuy posted...
swordz9 posted...
I think I even ranked Makoto high just because he wasnt an unlikable prick or super dumb/annoying lol

About that......

Compared to Hiro he may as well be a goddamn genius. Makoto is inoffensive overall.
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DeathChicken
09/02/19 4:29:28 PM
#262:


Yeah, the Kyoko execution was really well acted. She keeps the stoic thing going for as long as possible, then it just starts taking a *little* too damn long
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 4:39:29 PM
#263:


Someone asked me to to rank the executions scenes. I didn't think much of it.

I guess...

Sakura's Deleted Scene
Mondo
Leon
Celeste
Junko
Makoto/Kyoko

The Kyoko execution method is actually kind of boring, it's just her getting executed that got to me.
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Xiahou Shake
09/02/19 4:45:18 PM
#264:


Junko's gets massive points from me just because of how perfect the sync with the Monokuma theme is at the end
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Hbthebattle
09/02/19 8:01:37 PM
#265:


So are you finally ready to jump to DR2?
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 8:09:28 PM
#266:


Yes. Might as well do it now.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 8:14:06 PM
#267:


After I download it.
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swordz9
09/02/19 8:19:45 PM
#268:


Did you bother with School Mode?
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Inviso
09/02/19 8:19:49 PM
#269:


1. Aoi Asahina
2. Sakura Ogami
3. Celestia Ludenberg
4. Kyoko Kirigiri
5. Sayaka Maizono
6. Chihiro Fujisaki
7. Toko Fukawa
8. Byakuya Togami
9. Mondo Owada
10. Junko Enoshima
11. Kiyotaka Ishimaru
12. Makoto Naegi
13. Mukuro Ikusaba
14. Yasuhrio Hagakure
15. Leon Kuwata
16. Hifumi Yamada
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 8:22:09 PM
#270:


swordz9 posted...
Did you bother with School Mode?


No.

Is it worth it?
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Inviso
09/02/19 8:22:55 PM
#271:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
swordz9 posted...
Did you bother with School Mode?


No.

Is it worth it?


It gives you insight into the personalities of all the characters. School Mode is what cemented Hina as the cutest and most wonderful character in the game.
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swordz9
09/02/19 8:26:18 PM
#272:


The bond scenes are nice at least. Its basically a mode where you can max out everyone bond wise or whatever its called again. Theres also some boring little game connected to it thats kinda tedious/repetitive. Id at least watch the School Mode scenes for everyone you didnt get to see all the scenes for in the story. For some characters its the best thing they have since the plot removes them too soon for them to be memorable enough
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 8:28:06 PM
#273:


Maybe later. I think i'll start DR2 first.

Free Mode was the most boriung part of the first game so I'm not really hyped to drown in more free mode.
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kevwaffles
09/02/19 8:28:46 PM
#274:


Seeing all the normal FT events is worth it, which you can (mostly) do in School Mode if you want. You can also get Genocide Jill FT events if you trudge through all of Toko's, but you can only do those when GJ is available in the main game. (You are free to jump back to those chapters.)

Actual School Mode is not worth putting DR2 off for, though.
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The Popo
09/02/19 8:33:53 PM
#275:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
swordz9 posted...
Did you bother with School Mode?


No.

Is it worth it?

If you wanna get 100% outta the game, then yes. But theres a ton of filler involved. I honestly dont think it is worth the amount of extra time it takes.

If you want, you can just read transcripts of it for each character. Basically in school mode, you get to go somewhere in the school with that character, and your actions result in a great, good, or bad reaction from the character. You wanna keep doing things with characters to max out their stats, and eventually get their ending.

As an example, here is the transcript for Celestia. There is one available for each character, except Ishimaru IIRC:

https://danganronpa.fandom.com/wiki/School_Mode/Celestia_Ludenberg

kevwaffles posted...
Actual School Mode is not worth putting DR2 off for, though.

This more than anything
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 8:48:41 PM
#276:


DG2

I love the new theme song. I'm a sucker for guitar solos, as you may have noticed. The cinematics look better than the first game' too.

Cast looks cool. Is that guy a ninja?

Why is there a fat Byakuya among the cast?
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hombad46
09/02/19 8:56:50 PM
#277:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Why is there a fat Byakuya among the cast?


Reasons
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DeathChicken
09/02/19 9:07:34 PM
#278:


To make you go "Why is there a fat Byakuya among the cast"
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Hbthebattle
09/02/19 9:08:09 PM
#279:


Better question: Why didn't DR1 have a Fat Byakuya?
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 9:17:48 PM
#280:


Setting logic to mean and action to kind. I'm not fond of minigames but they were never really hard, I suspect they might get too boring if I set it to minimal difficulty.

We start the game with the standard memory erasing scene. I guess this is also some time before The Tragedy.

Btw, isn't Hinata a girl's name?

Yes, there is really a Fat Byakuya. I'm trying to compute but I can't.

If this is some time after DR1, I'd say Byakuya is infiltrating this group to take down Despair or something. Alternatively, he got memory wiped again (though I'd imagine he'd be hard to catch now) or he has clones or something (wouldn't put it past his family).

I'm seeing a lot of character parallels. There's this huge dude on black coat who kind of acts like Sakura. Girl in kimono makes a face like Hina's. Girl with the sword reminds me of Kyoko.

Also I've seen the guy with white hair who wake me up in the beginning over the internet? Seems to be a popular character? There's this guy from another forum who has weared it on his avatar for over a year now.

This bear is very pink. Very, very, very pink. And her voice is somehow more annoying than Monokuma's.

Sorry rabbit, not bear.

Island song is weird but cool.

We got a cute version of the opening. I think I prefer the one with the murder.

Monitors on trees. Because.
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MrSmartGuy
09/02/19 9:31:02 PM
#281:


DR2's english voice acting is honestly outstanding around the entire cast.

....... except for Usami, who is easily the worst VA in the series.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 9:46:46 PM
#282:


Putting everyone in an island is convenient because there is no need to seal any windows. But what exactly is stopping them from making a boat with those trees? I expect the plot to address this.

There is an ultimate lucky student and it's not me. Interesting.

Is it just me or is luck an actual thing in this universe? Kind of like Spiral Power in Gurren Lagann. Maybe lucky people are more hopeful or something.

And I'm the one who forgot their talent this time.

Nagito is alright. In a way he's a second Makoto but I'm expecting some hidden depths.

We got a 2D overworld now. Not sure if this is an improvement.

Byakuya is a stone wall. Feels like it will take a while to get anything from him. If he's not immediately murdered or something.

An airport? Lol, forget what I said about boats. Of course they have no engines, though.

Mechanic dude is also alright. He looks like a gangster, but he's also pretty carefree. Those kids are too carefree, though. The MC is not okay with this situation, and shouldn't be.

............ Tanaka is my new favorite character in the whole series.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 9:48:18 PM
#283:


He is the Ultimate Breeder. Who breeds Hamtaros. And he dresses like a ninja. And he wants to conquer the world. With Hamtaros. And his voices are amazing. And he talks about masters. Who are Hamtaros.

If he dies in the first two chapters, someone is gonna pay.
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Hbthebattle
09/02/19 9:50:16 PM
#284:


ZeldaTPLink posted...

Also I've seen the guy with white hair who wake me up in the beginning over the internet? Seems to be a popular character? There's this guy from another forum who has weared it on his avatar for over a year now.

Nagito, alongside Junko, is probably the most recognizable and well-known human in the series.
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MrSmartGuy
09/02/19 9:55:41 PM
#285:


There's a reason Gundham is the lone Danganronpa entrant in B8's top 100 characters contest that's about to wrap up. And yes, his voice actor is absolutely incredible. His name is Chris Tergliafera, and DR2 was his first major VA role, and since then, he's.... I wouldn't say a household name in VA, but it really jumpstarted his career and got him some major roles.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:01:10 PM
#286:


His name is Gundham. His name is fucking Gundham. I can't even
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MrSmartGuy
09/02/19 10:04:00 PM
#287:


(he ended up in 37th btw)
iOLZZbL

For the record, I honestly don't know where that character art came from. Don't expect snakes and tribal art to pop up suddenly in the game.
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Reg
09/02/19 10:05:58 PM
#288:


Hinata is a unisex name in Japanese btw

Doesn't matter in this case because it's his family name though <_<
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:06:04 PM
#289:


MrSmartGuy posted...
There's a reason Gundham is the lone Danganronpa entrant in B8's top 100 characters contest that's about to wrap up. And yes, his voice actor is absolutely incredible. His name is Chris Tergliafera, and DR2 was his first major VA role, and since then, he's.... I wouldn't say a household name in VA, but it really jumpstarted his career and got him some major roles.


Did you guys try to nominate him to CBX?
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MrSmartGuy
09/02/19 10:06:55 PM
#290:


I tried nominating Nagito, but it wasn't meant to be.
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Hbthebattle
09/02/19 10:10:43 PM
#291:


Monokuma was the one who got nommed and he flopped hard.
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Raka_Putra
09/02/19 10:14:21 PM
#292:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
She is the real protagonist of this game, and the one who makes the biggest deductions, and the best bluffs. The game would be much better if they just ditched Makoto and let you be her.

Playing as an Ultimate Detective sounds interesting, but then the character still has to be as smart as the player, maybe that's why they went with the boy next door Makoto.

ZeldaTPLink posted...
............ Tanaka is my new favorite character in the whole series.

That's a common reaction, I believe.
DR2 cast is quite stellar all around. My favorites are Mahiru and Sonia.
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handsomeboy2012
09/02/19 10:16:46 PM
#293:


DR2 is my favourite game in the series
just the cases alone are much better than DR1. Makes the last game look like a cakewalk.

Kirigiri best girl btw
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kevwaffles
09/02/19 10:17:32 PM
#294:


Hbthebattle posted...
Monokuma was the one who got nommed and he flopped hard.

I mean any DR character was gonna.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:20:23 PM
#295:


Raka_Putra posted...
Playing as an Ultimate Detective sounds interesting, but then the character still has to be as smart as the player, maybe that's why they went with the boy next door Makoto.


AA says hi. That game does a good job at having MCs that are controlled by the player and still have good personalities. If anything, Makoto is definitely smarter than the average next boy, so I don't think it would be too hard to make him a bit smarter in the dialogue.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:21:41 PM
#296:


Hbthebattle posted...
Monokuma was the one who got nommed and he flopped hard.


Oh I completely forgot about him in the middle of all that fodder.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:28:54 PM
#297:


Nurse girl is cute. I kind of have a thing for nurses so I might like her. But her personality... she feels like Chihiro 2.0. Meh.

Remember when I said they missed a chance of using Toko's writer status to make her interesting? They did not miss that chance with musician girl. She is completely nuts. I like her.

A Yakuza who looks like a baby. Okay.

And the guy who looks like an actual yakuza is Ultimate Team Manager. At least he yells like a proper coach. I can totally imagine teams wanting to win just because they are afraid of him.

Photographer girl seems a bit bipolar, but I feel she'll turn into a good character if she survives. She is reasonable enough and she even gave the MC a nickname.

Ultimate Swordswoman. I am suddenly disappointed we'll never get to see her duel with Sakura.

Gamer Girl gives no fucks. We are interrupting her game. Wonder what game is that. Probably Galaga, judging from her hairpin.

We now meet Hifumi - Cook Edition. At least he has respectful profession.

Okay it took one dialogue for him to be more disgusting than Hifumi ever was.

Sonia Nevermind, the Ultimate Princess. How does one achieve ultimate status in "princess"? Be more dignified than the rest? So many questions.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:45:55 PM
#298:


Hifumi was harmless because he was not into 3D. I now see whoever convinced Hifumi not to be into 3D is owed a debt from civilization.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/02/19 10:55:02 PM
#299:


Pink just turned a chicken into a cow. Because.

Ultimate Traditional Dancer. And the game just ruins it by saying most of her fans are men.

She... kills ants for fun. Holy shit. Someone bring GJ, I think I need backup.

And the Ultimate Gymnast. Compared to what we've got so far this is a pretty normal Ultimate. Might be relevant in murder mysteries too ("who could have jumped over that" questions).

Gundham just made an FMA reference. Amazing.

Here I am thinking Byakuya is going to reveal the plot but he's babbling about islands.

"Littering is not allowed, so no rafts". Ha! Well thought of, game.

Dancer Girl's hair looks like Junko's. Red alert. I repeat, red alert!

It seems what we are currently experiencing is what Hope's Peak is supposed to be. But with a pink Monokuma. Maybe it's after DR1 and Makoto and co. found some students and sheltered them in this island. So Byakuya is here to watch over them. He is fat because maybe years have passed since DR1.

This is a lengthy introduction. Im kind of tired. See you next section.
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profDEADPOOL
09/02/19 11:04:11 PM
#300:


Hell yeah Gundham is the best
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swordz9
09/02/19 11:16:56 PM
#301:


Oh ya Gundham. Also I dunno if you watch it or not, but DR2 has a couple Bleach dub VAs in it that instantly stand out. Hajime is Ichigo, the baby yakuza is Ishida and the nurse is Orihime. Of the 3 games I feel like DR2 did the best voice acting wise. Im only through the first case of DRV3, but man does it feel like they just ran out of talent and hired homeless people off the street >_>
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Mewtwo59
09/02/19 11:26:30 PM
#302:


I don't know why you think that, because everyone in V3 except Maki is voiced by someone from the first 2 games.

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