Board 8 > Zelda plays Danganronpa for the first time (spoilers)

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Yeah, Rebuttal Showdown in DR2 was designed for a controller. Thankfully, they changed it in V3 so it works with either a controller or mouse.

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Ah, that makes sense. I've used a controller for these games.
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Change of PoV! That's new. Poor Hina is on the verge of mental breakdown. Time for some donuts. Surely nothing will ruin her nighttime me-AAAAAAAAAAAH!

The next generation legend! Stand tall, galatic hero. - Huh.

Celeste thinks the outside world sucks. But Mifune misses his 2D. I feel ya, bro.

Genocide Jill wants to socialize. I approve of that.

New floor! And a game room. Monokuma won't add new magazines because apparently magazines don't exist anymore. At least there is 2D now, I guess.

Three dead kids smiling together on a picture. The plot thickens. Are they still alive? Or maybe those people already knew each other before? Or have we had our memories erased, maybe? Or it's just a fake picture to scare us?

"The Tragedy". Okay. And looks like there is as explanation to how we got fresh air with all those sealed rooms. Not that I was thinking about it, but nice detail in world design.

There is a camera on the table. It has the same little fairy from the chapter opening screen. Probably how the mysterious picture got taken, I assume.

GJ likes her formaldehyde. I can't relate, but it's cute I guess.

Sakura is so badass she flashes blue light when angry. I'm fully expecting her to go SSJ eventually.

Poor Taka still catatonic. You know, I thought Taka was a boring cliche from school anime, so if this takes him to some character development I welcome it.

The camera is from Mifune, but Celeste will hold it That's totally going to become a piece of eviedence at some point, won't it.

So this reaction mechanic (the purple words) sounded cool at first, but it seems it's only used in a very linear way. I imagine it could be used to hold more complicated arguments with characters, but they haven't developed that yet.

So the ghost was an AI. And here I am complaining they didn't use Chihiro's programming skills for anything. Except he is dead, but his creation lives on. And he had found a room with no cameras and was using it to plot against the Mastermind. Nice work, Chihiro.

(I just wrote this entire paragraph in female pronouns then remembered the gender thing existed. I'll go with male ones by default, I guess).

Mifune agrees Chihiro is waifu material. He is a disgusting otaku but he keeps being relatable.

Monokuma wants us to do the classic girl's bath peek anime scene. It somehow doesn't backfire.

Monokuma introduces capitalism to the game. We are Mother 3 now. Except this looks like the weakest motive, by far. Money feels irrelevant compared to all the psychological trauma those kids have been subjected to. If they won't kill to be set free from this hell, would money change things?

Kyoko dares people to come kill her. She remains the best character, despite Celeste, Byakuya, GJ and Sakura's efforts.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

kevwaffles posted...

Yeah I don't remember Rebuttal Showdown being all that bad. Maybe V3's version was better and I'm remembering that, though?

Rebuttal Showdown was pretty damn bad on PC for me, as I never really figured out how to do diagonal slashes on the keyboard.

Wait, you can do diagonal slashes? Man, those instructions were horrible.
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I thought rebuttal showdown was fine personally, never had issues with it

just beat danganronpa v3 yippee can't wait till the next one

I think

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GTM posted...

just beat danganronpa v3 yippee can't wait till the next one

I hope you're patient, then...
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Bump. Still alive, just trying to do other things but play this game all day.

Free time! And no railroading, it seems. So I talk to Hifumi and and get a new skill.

Taka wants to see the AI. I take him there, and the AI turns into Mondo and uses Bro Talk to snap Taka out of it. He's now a saiyajin. I'm fully expecting him challenge Sakura to a fight or something.

Hifumi is going to the AI room to get his 2D fix. I don't know if I laugh or feel bad for him. Taka also wants the AI and almost goes into a battle with Hifumi for it (which I would have liked to see). Sakura reminds them who the boss is.

Free time, I and somehow get scammed by Hiro into paying to have my future read. At least he's likely dieing so I won't have to pay, and I got another skill. Man, his character really doesn't click to me. I guess I like him when he's in his "chill dude" mode, but when he's pretending he can see gods and ghosts it's just silly.

I am on the way to talk to Taka to fill the blanks in the character list, but I bump into GJ and now I wanna listen this this amazing character instead. But then I give her a pair of scissors and she apparently hates it. Conversation over. What the fuck?

Byakua wants to know about the AI, but we aren't letting him in because he's a dick. But GJ wants that dick. Somehow I ship it.

Chatting with Byakuya next. I give him a videogame where you become a god that crushes people. He loves it. Heh. But then the rest of the talk is just him being a dick again. Got a new skill, though.

I went through the whole list, and the game doesn't let me talk to Taka. So let's do Kyoko again. I give her a cool self-destructing tape. It works. She says her dad works for some kind of secret service, or something. That's the most I can get from her, though. I guess in order to be the MVP of this game you have to be secretive and paranoid. I mean, if I were a potential killer, I'd be afraid of picking Kyoko as a target.

Ok, before the next body shows let's make the guess. I'm gonna go with Hifumi. He and Taka got a lot of development later, but Taka has this whole new character who could give us more. While Hifume is as one-dimensional as he could be.

I wonder if the Mastermind doesn't notice everyone going to the bath room at the same time. I mean, come on. I'm gonna bet they're probably onto it at this point.

A few seconds later... called it. The AI is gone, and apparently it was the mole. Not Junko, then. Hmm.

Monokuma makes a good point about murders. History is written by the victors, and we tend to forget about murders that were done in name of whatever societal advancement is made. The advancement is usually worth it, but it's still an hipocrisy if you think about it.

Robo Justice. He attacks Celeste, then Hifumi, with rising hammer sizes. Seems like a plot to set someone up. You run around in a fancy costume but maybe the one doing the killing is not the robot itself, or the robot is remote-controlled, or something, so you create fake alibis.

Called it. Hifumi bites it. And almost everyone has an alibi. Except Kyoko, Hiro and Taka. This is going to be interesting.

Damn, Taka too? It's a double murder.

Do we have two killers, too? This game is moving fast.

This is why you don't stop playing once a murder has happened until the investigation phase actually starts.
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When I hit that chapter, I was waiting for the moment there would be a double murder, because I figured it was inevitable. Then everyone has to ask if it's the same person twice or multiple killers.

The two-victim-limit was always expressed oddly to me. Like, the way Monokuma says it, it's almost like each blackened is limited to 2 victims, but different people could go around bumping people off during the investigation. The game never seems to indicate this is the case, though.

GJ hates your scissors because she's very fussy about scissors. It's like when I tried to give Leon a baseball, even though he actually hates baseball.
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kevwaffles posted...

This is why you don't stop playing once a murder has happened until the investigation phase actually starts.

Sorry about that, but yesterday was pretty busy so I just went until a body appeared and then stopped.

Bodies missing. Heh. Good luck protecting the evidence when there are two bodies and fewer people to guard them.

Celeste and Hina deciding to go to the toilet out of nowhere is suspicious, though.

Hiro is the only one without an alibi. Therefore, it's not Hiro. Or maybe it's him and someone else.

Hina disney princess confirmed. Her tears wake up the dead, at least for a while. And more shade on Hiro.

Taka or Hifume being one of the killers is likely, since it complicates the case while also keeping the game's death rate slower.

I mean we are supposed to have 7 chapters, right?

Also Hifumi remembers they have met before. That reinforces my theory of erased memories.

"It is thought that they were killed with a smililar weapon". I get it Monokuma, there is a twist involving the weapon. Maybe it's Udon.

This case seems like the most complicated yet, by far. Lots of changes of location, even after the killings. This is gonna be hard to keep track of, I feel.

Celeste is my main suspect right now. She seems involved in most of the case's major events, without being a suspect herself.

Seems to me like Hifumi walked at least for a while after being "found dead". Because he's too heavy to carry, and because his glasses are clean. Maybe he did it to kill Taka.

"Please remember the e-handbooks were with them because it might be relevant for some reason". This game has a tendency of breaking the 4th wall sometimes.

Trial next.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

This case seems like the most complicated yet, by far. Lots of changes of location, even after the killings. This is gonna be hard to keep track of, I feel.

That was obviously the point of this case. It only replays the sequence of events for you like 5 times between the investigation and the trial. I remembered it pretty clearly the first time, thank you.

Also, I finished DR2 today. Too bad I didn't pick up DR3 off the sale as well.
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azuarc posted...

Too bad I didn't pick up DR3 off the sale as well.

Not to nitpick, but it's actually kinda important to call it DRV3, as DR3 is the anime, which is entirely different
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meh, who watches anime?
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The difference is that DR3 sucks but DRV3 is actually good
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Hbthebattle posted...

The difference is that DR3 sucks but DRV3 is actually good

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Really? I was planning on seeing the anime since it's apparentlly the end of the first arc or something.

It is, but it does kinda suck yes.

Well it's not terrible, just bad. Though not bad enough to be entertaining either *shrugs*.
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The anime is awful, but it also isn't really needed, so don't worry about it.

The first anime is super ehhhhhhhh

The other one is nice.
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I'll probably watch it because OCD.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I'll probably watch it because OCD.

Make sure you understand the correct way to watch it if you do. They couldn't just make it a simple episode 1 -> episode 2 thing
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The correct way is to watch the dub because it doesn't take itself seriously and is therefore better
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hombad46 posted...

Make sure you understand the correct way to watch it if you do. They couldn't just make it a simple episode 1 -> episode 2 thing

To be precise there are two "Danganronpa 3" anime. Danganronpa Future Chapter, and Danganronpa Despair Chapter.

You alternate watching episodes for it (and yes, it does matter- there are things introduced in one that matter to the other). So you watch Future 1 > Despair 1 > Future 2 > Despair 2 etc.

And while I know you may ignore it since you already spoiled yourself on stuff from DR1, I do suggest you don't look up anything more about the anime because it will spoil DR2.

What?

...I really liked the Anime... :(
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The Despair arc is good. The Future arc is pretty bad.
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What exactly is wrong with the anime? Writing? Characters? Does it shit on the lore?

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Can't really talk about it too much without spoilers, and it's bad etiquette to flood a playthrough topic with black bars.

(But, yes, all 3 of those)

The writing and the characters for the Future arc are both bleh. Considering the setting for the entire arc, it's about as boring as it could possibly be. Nothing they did made me care about any new people in the anime at all, especially the more important characters introduced.

Meanwhile, I think the writing for the Despair arc was actually its strongest asset. It helps that all of the dub's "don't give a shit" moments came in the Despair arc, and every single one of them made me laugh pretty hard. I think its biggest asset is that it only really delves further into the lives of characters who have already been fleshed out before, so they don't have to spend as much time on intricacies and just ham it up, and it's way more fun because of it.
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1 > 2 > anime 3 >> anime 1 >> game 3

I'll show myself out

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That inequality is barf-worthy.
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Anyway, where the discussion of the mini-games in 2 are concerned, I suspect the reason I don't mind Improved Hangman's Gambit might be the same reason why I hate Rebuttal Showdown -- I'm using keyboard and mouse. IHG is pretty easy with a mouse, but I suspect it's wretched on a controller. OTOH, I had a rebuttal showdown the other day I literally wouldn't have been able to beat if you guys hadn't said here that there are diagonal slashes, because I probably would have just stared at that and whined that there's no way to hit the words in the corners that don't move. (Fortunately, it wasn't hard to do the diagonal slashes. I just had no idea hitting W+A results in an oblique slash.)
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We spend some time arguing the specifics of how Taka's body was moved. Which may be relevant, but the game doesn't explain why, besides "we need to clarify". Feels like bad writing. They give you obvious evidence to fuel the gameplay sequence, but don't make it a point of anyone's innocence or guilt.

AA series is better in this field, the writing is much more tight and feels less like 4th wall breaking.

But hey, it leads to a random tempo battle with Celeste in the middle of the trial! Meh.

Anyway, it seems I was right the robot was a mislead. The question is how they made Hiro move around even though he doesn't remember it. My money is on him being an accomplice for some reason, so he's lying about being asleep.

Oh, the dolly becomes relevant. Still think the way it was discussed was awkward, but okay.

Reviewing the case's sequence of events there are at least 4 instances of Celeste telling them something happened and they taking her word for it. If you assume everything she says is a lie, the case will crack open.

I love it how they randomly all vote Makoto whenever you get a game over. It doesn't make sense but it's funny.

So Hifumi did it. He used notes to send both Hiro and Taka where he wanted, kill Taka and make Hiro take the fall. Doesn't explain how the robot was moving, but gives us a name for Taka's murderer. And I guess Celeste then killed Hiro.

Check out murderweapon.com/hammer for more info! LOL GJ.

Flashback bullets possible intended use: have you cross phrases from difference characters to reach conclusions. Flashback bullets actual in-game use: give you a way to use the arguments of Kyoko, aka the game's true protagonist, during trials.

Oh of course, the robot wasn't moving because it didn't exist. The game repeats it exists over and over so our brain fills in the gaps, but we never actually see it. Nice.

I missed part of the comic book section because I got a phone call and the game doesn't tell me that this section uses the Space button to pause instead of Esc. Godanmit.

So Hifumi was trickened into thinking he was doing it for a good reason. Well, at least he doesn't go down as a scumbag. Poor Hifumi.

lol Celeste wanted to be a vampire queen. Love this character.

A secret room, and more hints that they were in school before. But the game barely reveals anything. And then, turns out Sakura is the traitor! Didn't see that coming. Who is the hostage, Hina?

So, this case was okay, but it's probably the weakest one so far. It started as this super complicated moving around puzzle, but once you nail Celeste as a liar, it all falls apart, and it turns out to be the easiest case. The game pretty much gives away the whole Hifumi thing right at the investigation, too, and the trial has a bit too much padding. But overall it was fun, and I like how they developed Celeste's character in the end.

It is interesting how this is the first case to be planned in advance, too (the others were flukes), but I think Celeste's biggest mistake was how she inserted herself in all major events in order to move the other characters around. I think she tried too hard to create alibis, when making a more opaque murder where everyone is a suspect, like in Case 2, would have worked better.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

So, this case was okay, but it's probably the weakest one so far

Like Ace Attorney, Danganronpa frequently suffers from Third Case Syndrome
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Yeah, I kinda liked the idea for the case but honestly after like 3 or 4 minutes into the investigation for the case I'd already come to the conclusion that Celeste was very likely behind it all.

I really really dislike DR2's third case though. That one was just so unfulfilling on so many levels.

This one wasn't that bad... just way too easy. I guess I just like surprises is all =p
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I love it how they randomly all vote Makoto whenever you get a game over. It doesn't make sense but it's funny.

It's especially funny if, like a fair amount of new players, you lose the tempo game to Leon.

Makoto: Alright, we all agree Leon is the murderer. Let me just wrap thi

Leon: SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!

*Mini game failed*

Everyone: Huh. Okay, I guess Makoto did it.
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Third trials are consistently the weakest in DR, the only one that isn't widely agreed to be the worst in its game is V3-3- some people think it's actually pretty good and that V3-2 is the worst.
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Ironic that the Ultimate Gambler, who should be good at bluffing and lying, creates one of the worst, most predictable murders in the series

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Well, Mondo's would have been the actual worst if Byakuya hadn't saved the narrative conflict by being a world-class douche.
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Mondo's murder was not premeditated, it's a bit of a different issue
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Congrats, you made it through the worst case in the series! All uphill from here, baby!
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