Poll of the Day > Sen. Warren says LGBTQ+ should get reparations as well...!

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/elizabeth-warren-promises-reparations-for-gay-couples

Will the US gov't will still have enough money to after paying out to every disenfranchised group?

Do you think they deserve it? (Poll Question)

That sounds less like reparations and more like retroactively acknowledging their state marital status at a federal level. That just makes sense. This is as much a matter of state rights as it is an LGBTQ thing, so it should be fun to watch Republicans trip over themselves to be hypocrites.

That, and even if we are calling them reparations, it's the direct victims of this offense that would be receiving them and many of the same people in government that would be paying them back, so the usual anti-reparation rhetoric of "it wasn't my fault!" isn't really as applicable here and there isn't much room to object.
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I don't understand.

In wartime scenarios, reparations are paid to the victors.
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Straight white men are paying reparations!

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Is Warren trying to take the Marianne Williamson approach and become a meme for saying stupid shit to build her national profile?
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kind9 posted...

Straight white men are paying reparations!

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Ew. Don't remind me of that annoying, portrait mode recording, racist fuck.

Sounds like just trying to buy gay votes
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SirPikachu posted...

Sounds like just trying to buy gay votes

Pretty much, reparations aren't happening no matter who wins. Except for maybe Crazy Bernie.

Pretty much everyone but white males will deserve reparations by the time the general election gets here. LOL.
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SirPikachu posted...

Sounds like just trying to buy gay votes

Rather literally >_>

samuricex posted...

Pretty much everyone but white males will deserve reparations by the time the general election gets here. LOL.

You mean cis het white males, because gay white males are already being talked about getting reparations.
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I'd be happy to agree to reparations to just about anyone for any reason, as long as Congress agrees to garnish 90% of their wage to pay into the necessary fund first before anyone else's taxes have to go to pay it.

Until then, I think they should kindly shut the fuck up about it, generally speaking.


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Why does that always make me want to bbq?

Seriously, it does. Luckily I have things to bbq in my fridge.

Maybe I can petition to remove the Q and replace it with something else...is there a W we could use?

LGBTW would be awesome:)
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wolfy42 posted...

Why does that always make me want to bbq?

Seriously, it does. Luckily I have things to bbq in my fridge.

Maybe I can petition to remove the Q and replace it with something else...is there a W we could use?

LGBTW would be awesome:)

Well according to the straight pride people its now LGBTQS but according to Carlos Maza the Q word is now a slur, so LGBTS it is!
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aDirtyShisno posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Why does that always make me want to bbq?

Seriously, it does. Luckily I have things to bbq in my fridge.

Maybe I can petition to remove the Q and replace it with something else...is there a W we could use?

LGBTW would be awesome:)

Well according to the straight pride people its now LGBTQS but according to Carlos Maza the Q word is now a slur, so LGBTS it is!

Wooot!!!

Still wanna add a W in there...um....Wiccans!! They used to be burned at the stake and TOTALLY oppressed!! How about LGBTWs now!!!! Wiccan power!!!
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wolfy42 posted...

aDirtyShisno posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Why does that always make me want to bbq?

Seriously, it does. Luckily I have things to bbq in my fridge.

Maybe I can petition to remove the Q and replace it with something else...is there a W we could use?

LGBTW would be awesome:)

Well according to the straight pride people its now LGBTQS but according to Carlos Maza the Q word is now a slur, so LGBTS it is!

Wooot!!!

Still wanna add a W in there...um....Wiccans!! They used to be burned at the stake and TOTALLY oppressed!! How about LGBTWs now!!!! Wiccan power!!!

How about Wolfys?
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aDirtyShisno posted...

Q word is now a slur,

Now? >_>
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Taily_Po posted...

aDirtyShisno posted...

Q word is now a slur,

Now? >_>

Yes. It was fine to be used for a while and thats why it was included in LGBTQA2ZBBQ, and even Carlos Maza has it on his profile and calls himself it frequently, but as soon as Steven Crowder called Carlos Maza what he calls himself he flipped out and said Steven Crowder was harassing him by calling him the Q word. Strangely enough Carlos Maza still hasnt removed the Q word from his profile, but Im sure its just an oversight and hell get around to it eventually...
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Unless it's coming from military budget. No.
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aDirtyShisno posted...

wolfy42 posted...

aDirtyShisno posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Why does that always make me want to bbq?

Seriously, it does. Luckily I have things to bbq in my fridge.

Maybe I can petition to remove the Q and replace it with something else...is there a W we could use?

LGBTW would be awesome:)

Well according to the straight pride people its now LGBTQS but according to Carlos Maza the Q word is now a slur, so LGBTS it is!

Wooot!!!

Still wanna add a W in there...um....Wiccans!! They used to be burned at the stake and TOTALLY oppressed!! How about LGBTWs now!!!! Wiccan power!!!

How about Wolfys?

Lol:) I am pretty unique....so not sure if i'm worthy of my own letter.

But wolves.....hmm.....they DO need protecting!!!

Also they could stand for people like me, who mate for life, which seems to be more rare at this point then any of the others.
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SirPikachu posted...

Sounds like just trying to buy gay votes

This and she can fuck off. Trying to buy my vote just makes me not like you.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

SirPikachu posted...

Sounds like just trying to buy gay votes

This and she can fuck off. Trying to buy my vote just makes me not like you.

Your gay?
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RoboXgp89 posted...

that' doesn't even make sense....
gay people aren't a race they can't have children because of this thing called biology

Where are you seeing anything about race or reproduction here?

RoboXgp89 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

that' doesn't even make sense....
gay people aren't a race they can't have children because of this thing called biology

Where are you seeing anything about race or reproduction here?

they want tax breaks for being married
they can't have kids
no reason to give two people under the same roof tax breaks then since that was the original intention...

They can still adopt kids or have kids through a surrogate
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Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

Raising taxes on the rich just makes them hide their money better pay their workers less or raise the price of their products. Ive always been more a fan of everyone being taxed the same percentage. At least until we find a way to stop the rich from doing those things I just mentioned.
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We need a value added tax just like every other major economy in the world. Not having one creates so many issues
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mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

Raising taxes on the rich just makes them hide their money better pay their workers less or raise the price of their products. Ive always been more a fan of everyone being taxed the same percentage. At least until we find a way to stop the rich from doing those things I just mentioned.

Republicans have been lowering taxes on the rich for 40 fucking years, and in that time span, wages have been stagnant.

Not buying this bs that actually taxing them at reasonable rates will someone hurt workers' wages.

And obviously you can't just raise the %, you also have to close the loopholes and fix the tax structure itself. We should be taxing companies, for example, based on where the sale was made / where the buyer resides, not let them set up a bogus HQ in Ireland and claim all their worldwide profits were made there.

Mead posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

that' doesn't even make sense....
gay people aren't a race they can't have children because of this thing called biology

Where are you seeing anything about race or reproduction here?

they want tax breaks for being married
they can't have kids
no reason to give two people under the same roof tax breaks then since that was the original intention...

They can still adopt kids or have kids through a surrogate

Is that really what he responded with? Talk about missing the point...

streamofthesky posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

Raising taxes on the rich just makes them hide their money better pay their workers less or raise the price of their products. Ive always been more a fan of everyone being taxed the same percentage. At least until we find a way to stop the rich from doing those things I just mentioned.

Republicans have been lowering taxes on the rich for 40 fucking years, and in that time span, wages have been stagnant.

Not buying this bs that actually taxing them at reasonable rates will someone hurt workers' wages.

And obviously you can't just raise the %, you also have to close the loopholes and fix the tax structure itself. We should be taxing companies, for example, based on where the sale was made / where the buyer resides, not let them set up a bogus HQ in Ireland and claim all their worldwide profits were made there.

Never said I was fine with lowering their taxes. I said I desire a everyone gets taxed the same percent type of deal. Though thats more because ive seen average joes get fucked over because they got overtime and it threw them in a higer tax bracket.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

Raising taxes on the rich just makes them hide their money better pay their workers less or raise the price of their products. Ive always been more a fan of everyone being taxed the same percentage. At least until we find a way to stop the rich from doing those things I just mentioned.

Republicans have been lowering taxes on the rich for 40 fucking years, and in that time span, wages have been stagnant.

Not buying this bs that actually taxing them at reasonable rates will someone hurt workers' wages.

And obviously you can't just raise the %, you also have to close the loopholes and fix the tax structure itself. We should be taxing companies, for example, based on where the sale was made / where the buyer resides, not let them set up a bogus HQ in Ireland and claim all their worldwide profits were made there.

Never said I was fine with lowering their taxes. I said I desire a everyone gets taxed the same percent type of deal. Though thats more because ive seen average joes get fucked over because they got overtime and it threw them in a higer tax bracket.

Going into a higher tax bracket never costs you more money than you'd make post-taxes prior to going into said bracket. Each bracket is taxed at its respective %, and only amounts earned above that bracket get the higher %.
Now, income is taxed at a much higher rate than capital gains and the % jumps by like +10% or +15% at a level that's still solidly middle class level earnings, so in that sense, yes they're getting screwed. But they're not literally losing money.
I would be fine smoothing out the tax % increases so there's no huge jumps like that.

Reparations? Hahaha. Get in line. I can think of two very historic cases of such promises and just look at how those turned out....Never going to happen...

streamofthesky posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

Raising taxes on the rich just makes them hide their money better pay their workers less or raise the price of their products. Ive always been more a fan of everyone being taxed the same percentage. At least until we find a way to stop the rich from doing those things I just mentioned.

Republicans have been lowering taxes on the rich for 40 fucking years, and in that time span, wages have been stagnant.

Not buying this bs that actually taxing them at reasonable rates will someone hurt workers' wages.

And obviously you can't just raise the %, you also have to close the loopholes and fix the tax structure itself. We should be taxing companies, for example, based on where the sale was made / where the buyer resides, not let them set up a bogus HQ in Ireland and claim all their worldwide profits were made there.

Never said I was fine with lowering their taxes. I said I desire a everyone gets taxed the same percent type of deal. Though thats more because ive seen average joes get fucked over because they got overtime and it threw them in a higer tax bracket.

Going into a higher tax bracket never costs you more money than you'd make post-taxes prior to going into said bracket. Each bracket is taxed at its respective %, and only amounts earned above that bracket get the higher %.
Now, income is taxed at a much higher rate than capital gains and the % jumps by like +10% or +15% at a level that's still solidly middle class level earnings, so in that sense, yes they're getting screwed. But they're not literally losing money.
I would be fine smoothing out the tax % increases so there's no huge jumps like that.

Not losing money much sure but it sucks to work more and not realize the money you feel you should be getting for that extra time.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

Raising taxes on the rich just makes them hide their money better pay their workers less or raise the price of their products. Ive always been more a fan of everyone being taxed the same percentage. At least until we find a way to stop the rich from doing those things I just mentioned.

Republicans have been lowering taxes on the rich for 40 fucking years, and in that time span, wages have been stagnant.

Not buying this bs that actually taxing them at reasonable rates will someone hurt workers' wages.

And obviously you can't just raise the %, you also have to close the loopholes and fix the tax structure itself. We should be taxing companies, for example, based on where the sale was made / where the buyer resides, not let them set up a bogus HQ in Ireland and claim all their worldwide profits were made there.

Never said I was fine with lowering their taxes. I said I desire a everyone gets taxed the same percent type of deal. Though thats more because ive seen average joes get fucked over because they got overtime and it threw them in a higer tax bracket.

Going into a higher tax bracket never costs you more money than you'd make post-taxes prior to going into said bracket. Each bracket is taxed at its respective %, and only amounts earned above that bracket get the higher %.
Now, income is taxed at a much higher rate than capital gains and the % jumps by like +10% or +15% at a level that's still solidly middle class level earnings, so in that sense, yes they're getting screwed. But they're not literally losing money.
I would be fine smoothing out the tax % increases so there's no huge jumps like that.

Not losing money much sure but it sucks to work more and not realize the money you feel you should be getting for that extra time.

Well, if they hate not making much extra money for their hard work, they should really despise Trump:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-labor-overtime/trump-administration-moves-closer-to-undoing-overtime-pay-rule-idUSKBN1AA2DZ

The Trump administration on Tuesday pushed forward with its bid to undo an Obama administration rule to extend mandatory overtime pay to 4.2 million workers and said it was considering treating workers differently based on location and industry.

The rule would have doubled to $47,000 the maximum salary a worker can earn and still be eligible for mandatory overtime pay under federal wage law. A group of 21 states and business groups including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce challenged the rule in a lawsuit filed last year.

Plus, you know, his whole history previously of stiffing people he contracted out work to.

mooreandrew58 posted...

I said I desire a everyone gets taxed the same percent type of deal

The issue with that is that somebody being taxed 25% of their income at $20,000/year has a vastly greater impact on their quality of life than somebody being taxed 25% of their income at $2,000,000/year. As fair as it might seem to just take the same percentage from everyone, when you consider what's left afterwards and what that means for the person's ability to live, that's very obviously not the case. As such, you get brackets that place more of the nation's tax burden on people who can better afford it. In theory, anyway. In practice, the rich can afford accountants and lawyers to find them loopholes to exploit and get out of paying that fair share, leaving a disproportionate amount of the burden on the middle class, but that's a problem with how exploitable the tax code is, not with the fundamental idea of tax brackets.

Ohioguy1980 posted...

Reparations? Hahaha. Get in line. I can think of two very historic cases of such promises and just look at how those turned out....Never going to happen...

As I said, this sounds less like reparations in the usual sense and more like the refund equivalent of back-taxes. This isn't (or at least shouldn't be) a matter of saying "gay people everywhere deserve X dollars total so every gay person gets X/gays yay we're all happy now!", it's a matter of identifying gay couples who paid more in taxes than they would have if federal marriage law had kept up with that of certain states and refunding them that difference. It's a very clear, easily-calculated sum, to be paid out to specific individuals who should not have had to pay it in the first place. That's actually pretty straightforward, reasonable, and not nearly as emotionally-driven as most "these poor people deserve reparations!" platforms are.

Now, if it evolves into compensating gay couples who were living together common-law before gay marriage was legalized in their state? That's substantially more ambitious and less reasonable, to say nothing of how impractical it would be to have to validate every such claim. It's still a specific, calculable figure that would be paid to individuals based on what they are personally owed, rather than a sweeping "this population deserves $X," and there's an argument to be made that it would be the right thing to do, but it's a much less feasible suggestion. I don't think it should go that far.

_AdjI_ posted...

The issue with that is that somebody being taxed 25% of their income at $20,000/year has a vastly greater impact on their quality of life than somebody being taxed 25% of their income at $2,000,000/year. As fair as it might seem to just take the same percentage from everyone, when you consider what's left afterwards and what that means for the person's ability to live, that's very obviously not the case. As such, you get brackets that place more of the nation's tax burden on people who can better afford it. In theory, anyway. In practice, the rich can afford accountants and lawyers to find them loopholes to exploit and get out of paying that fair share, leaving a disproportionate amount of the burden on the middle class, but that's a problem with how exploitable the tax code is, not with the fundamental idea of tax brackets

I will say im cool with people below the poverty line getting a big tax break. Dont see much point in taking money from them to turn around and give money back to them in the form of welfare/food stamps etc.
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streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

Right now, there's a mad rush to outcrazy each other to demonstrate who's the furthest left. I half wonder if it's in an attempt to get us to appreciate Biden.
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Absolutely. Give everyone reparations! We can call it UBI!
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streamofthesky posted...

Why are Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this reparations stuff?

It's like they're trying to lose in the general election...

I wish someone would promise to raise taxes on the rich and capital gains and cut spending, to balance our bloated fucking budget. But that person would never be elected in either party b/c people are too dumb, selfish, and short-sighted.

Throwing money at irresponsible/lazy/whiny people is how the democrats get votes.
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I've got it!!

Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgendered and Weird!!!!!!

Weird just encompases anything else you can think of lolz.

There now it can be LGBTW woot!!!
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