Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 12: Character Development for Delseban

(+) Yeah! (+)

Hb is the obvious natural lynch target right now

Especially considering the flavor of the claimed vanillas right now. Harry Potter sticks out like a sore thumb.

But Cam is going to pull an Ulti play and throw a tantrum I guess.
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Lopen posted...

Cam if you're town answering my questions helps you.

I'm not sure which questions mate

Again

I'm at the beach

People forgetting that I literally hand delivered TWO consecutive mafia

Just not even worth playing

Lopen posted...

1. Are you Voldemort?
2. Are you actually a TOWN opera singer?
3. Did Hb's claim elicit any reaction from you?

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Camarija posted...

People forgetting that I literally hand delivered TWO consecutive mafia

Just not even worth playing

So you can Bus.

Thats a skill.

Why not FULL Claim right now so that we can think about it.
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This topic is getting away from me again but can i at least say that I think attacking Voldemort for the Harry Potter angle is dumb when I doubt Han would divide flavors in such a straight way.
Cam claiming Voldemort itself is the weird thing here.
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You didnt hand deliver red. Christ trapped him with the same time claim then I slammed the door he opened with his claim. What exactly did you do that warrants you out working both myself and Chris.
Youre talking for like you solo killed them or something and its nonsense. Also Chris even said he didnt suspect Luis until Luiss own play during kingmaker.
Suspecting them doesnt mean you solo killed two scum. You know who also nailed scum on early reads last game. Panth. He was scum.
Corrik also said he regularly gives town right info as scum.

Camarija posted...

the most Town cleared player

in what game

Camarija posted...

Do what you guys want but this is dumb and I just can't with people who have memories of goldfish

TAKE NOTES IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENS IN A GAME

you've missed claims entirely, as well as multiple people explaining how a flavor scanner can make sense even if the flavor split doesn't

Anyway cool, Cam's Opera Singer claim was the main thing I liked and ain't no way that lines up with Voldemort. Only thing is I am not sure why scum would just kinda randomly suicide like this.
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##Unvote:

It was a reaction vote to the absurdity of Cams claim. I hate reaction votes.

Lopen posted...

Lopen posted...

1. Are you Voldemort?
2. Are you actually a TOWN opera singer?
3. Did Hb's claim elicit any reaction from you?

I'm Lord Voldermort

I'm not saying my role

I didn't see HB's claim

Bring it big bois

It's true Cam's sense of self-importance is a bit inflated

But he's not scum

Even if he is, it's an utter derailment to grill him right now at a time when we have much more apparent suspects

If you want another Mafia, I will give you ANOTHER Mafia

If you want to mislynch me, vote me now and stop wasting my time

I can only assume if Cam is scum that it was misguided belief that he was above suspicion as town and that as such he could pull this out of his ass and people would question it. But with 2 confirmed scans I dont get the play.
@Hbthebattle are you standing by your Harry Potter Town villager claim?

Again

Luis made it clear Mafia have WATERTIGHT FAKE CLAIMS

Does my claim feel water tight to you?

Camarija posted...

alright you scanned Ulti

Anyway I should let you know why I think your role is BS

And why I laughed at Corrik here

Corrik7 posted...

Perhaps while we are at it. What would be the sinister evils of English literature?

Stephen King novels.
Voldemort from Harry Potter *cough*
What else?
Baron Harkonnen?

I am Voldemort from Harry Potter

AND I'm Town

If your flavor scanning has any indicators of alignment, then it's obviously not 100% correct

Also, it really feels like Corrik was trying to tip me off here that Mafia flavor scanned me or something

No. I was *coughing* cuz someone claimed Harry Potter when I expect that role to be Voldemort and sinister.

Btw, I believe there is 100% zero chance there are two Harry Potter flavors in the game. And u are claiming one that would fit with scum flavors. *Sigh*
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Camarija posted...

I didn't see HB's claim

yeah ok shining disciple of chris you're either scum or you have zero room to complain about other people paying attention
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Gimme them dunce hat votes bois

And Voldemort aside, I dont feel Cam has been scum in any way.
Also why claim Voldemort openly? Even if one is affraid of flavorscanners, I dont think 5tar would want to scan Cam.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

I didn't see HB's claim

yeah ok shining disciple of chris you're either scum or you have zero room to complain about other people paying attention

TWO CONSECUTIVE MAFIA

This is so bizarre. You went from claiming Im scum.
To quitting.
To wanting to fight everyone.

Like for real are you ok?

Camarija posted...

Luis made it clear Mafia have WATERTIGHT FAKE CLAIMS

where do you keep getting this btw
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Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

I didn't see HB's claim

yeah ok shining disciple of chris you're either scum or you have zero room to complain about other people paying attention

TWO CONSECUTIVE MAFIA

were caught by chris and 5tar, yes
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I'm enjoying the beach

Do whatever it is you do

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

I didn't see HB's claim

yeah ok shining disciple of chris you're either scum or you have zero room to complain about other people paying attention

TWO CONSECUTIVE MAFIA

were caught by chris and 5tar, yes

I caught them both day 1 mate

But ok

Cam shoulda been balls to the wall firing on HB a game if his claim is true.

Back to Cam being a lone wolf and trying to signal his team lol
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Camarija posted...

Again

Luis made it clear Mafia have WATERTIGHT FAKE CLAIMS

Does my claim feel water tight to you?

Oh we are trusting the scum team now... ok.
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Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

I didn't see HB's claim

yeah ok shining disciple of chris you're either scum or you have zero room to complain about other people paying attention

TWO CONSECUTIVE MAFIA

were caught by chris and 5tar, yes

I caught them both day 1 mate

But ok

You caught two of our best players on d1? Almost sounds like you have some kinda insider info!!
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Camarija posted...

5tarscream posted...

So you want us to believe that not only is there two Harry Potter characters but that they are both town even Voldemort. The biggest of big bads.
This is either a ploy to mislynch me or to out doctor. Dont buy it.
So youre saying lynch me. When I flip flavour cop youll obviously be lynched next day. Lets do that trade in reverse. Lets lynch Voldemort and see if hes evil and if not then lynch me the next day?

I'm fine with that

Town loses probably their best power role but I'll leave a good POE

Soft claim. No point for it.
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5tarscream posted...

This is so bizarre. You went from claiming Im scum.
To quitting.
To wanting to fight everyone.

Like for real are you ok?

Your role make no sense

Mislynch me and everyone knows the truth

GG

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

I didn't see HB's claim

yeah ok shining disciple of chris you're either scum or you have zero room to complain about other people paying attention

TWO CONSECUTIVE MAFIA

were caught by chris and 5tar, yes

I caught them both day 1 mate

But ok

You caught two of our best players on d1? Almost sounds like you have some kinda insider info!!

I'm not saying I'm good

But I get lucky sometimes

Camarija posted...

Your role make no sense

Are you proposing that "Voldemort, TOWN Opera Singer" makes MORE sense than the very existence of a town flavor scanner or
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Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

I didn't see HB's claim

yeah ok shining disciple of chris you're either scum or you have zero room to complain about other people paying attention

TWO CONSECUTIVE MAFIA

were caught by chris and 5tar, yes

I caught them both day 1 mate

But ok

You caught two of our best players on d1? Almost sounds like you have some kinda insider info!!

I'm not saying I'm good

But I get lucky sometimes

And you want to be cleared as town for being lucky and not actually being the one getting them lynched?
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Camarija posted...

Also I think flavor literally doesn't matter this game

Then red wouldn't have lied about his.
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MZero11 posted...

So I've never actually heard of "lost wolf" but I assumed it means uninformed scum without access to the scum board right?

Yes
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googling voldemort with singing things to make sure I'm not missing some kinda dumb meme that makes that make sense

this is the best I have so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oHy4mqqWno" data-time="
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I don't think you caught any scum. In fact I'd call it a stretch to say even Chris caught two (I caught red he was just being the extension of my will) at this point.

But yeah my read is that of Puns at this point. Voldemort, TOWN Baby.
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I dont like SBell and Tom jumping on this.
I somehow still think Cam might be town. I think its possible that Cam is Voldemort.
But
He is claiming Voldemort, hes also claiming town power but isnt willing to share it. Its stinks of him claiming doctor or protection and trying to either out the real power or mislynch the scanner.
Hes also overselling his contribution.
The power claim along with the insane flavour just plays way too well for scum. Its like reds claim was too perfect.
Cam was silent until he found out there was a confirmed flavour cop now all of a sudden hes openly challenging flavour.
How do you not see hbs claim if youve been the best player?

Camarija posted...

This is me, the most Town cleared player,

No
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https://sites.google.com/a/case.edu/docopera-2011/lord-voldemort

was han in med school in 2011
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5tarscream posted...

Cam was silent until he found out there was a confirmed flavour cop now all of a sudden hes openly challenging flavour.

to be fair this makes an amount of sense for a town voldemort role
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Im the gardener from The Great Gatsby, town villager. Or vanilla. Whatever you want to call it. I tend gardens and clean a pool. Its boring flavor, but thats fine.

This means two major things. One, 5tarscream is basically confirmed town. His scan is completely accurate. I mean I know hes not CONFIRMED confirmed, but Im a very easy lynch target in any game. I dont think 5tarscream fakes that role as scum to pocket/clear me as town when killing me is typically much easier. Occulams Razor says 5tarscream is towns flavor scanner and just scanned me. Not much more to it than that, and his reasons for scanning me (and Red) are as pro-town as it gets.

It also more or less tells us that scum is among the people that have spent all game sniping me. Im on mobile at work so I cant reread right now, but scum is in that list. Offhand I recall Tom, Pez, Lopen, Death, and a couple others sniping. Ill reread later for a complete list.

Lastly, Cams ONLY play as scum is to discredit the scanner. No protection has died, and the lynch list is incredibly small. I think its just Tom, Stu, Death, MZero, and Pez right now. Town is extremely close to figuring this game out, their blocker is clearly dead, and 5tar is one or two scans from ending the game and scum cant kill him because theres no outed protection.

So if youre scum and youre basically screwed, whats the play? Try to discredit the scanner and get out ahead of it by claiming your real flavor.

##Unvote
##Vote: Camarija

Bye. It looked bad to try discrediting 5tar yesterday and its even worse now.

So 5tar is confirmed flavor scanner or scum with Ulti, or 5tar is scum flavor scanner who just gave us a town.

That is why 5tar claiming first was smarter.

Most likely they are just both town
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Ok I caught up.

One: Roles feeling safelisty is idiotic. Safelist roles are SUPPOSED to be identical to the type of roles Town would get. Why would Han put traps on the safelist?

Two: Cam isnt scum. His comments about lost wolves line up perfectly with his claimed role and I doubt hed plan this that long in advance. I have a feeling that hes some sort of Miller equivalent, which probably means Puns was lying about his claim.
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5tarscream posted...

I dont like SBell and Tom jumping on this.

Can't help attacking what looks really bad.

Less the attack on the flavor scanner, more the fact that a Harry Potter character had already been claimed in Topic TWO, and Cam has completely ignored it till right now when he said he's also a Harry Potter character and has still not batted an eye at HB's claim.

And it works with my Cam / Mzero scum theory (its a weak theory, but still)
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Overselling his contribution is something Cam did a lot in Endgame mafia but not as much in HZD. It falls more in line with his town play.
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Cam if you stop flailing around like an angry teenager and think for a minute.
Whats the positive of me claiming flavour cop to bury red when the heat was coming off him?

Hbthebattle posted...

His comments about lost wolves line up perfectly with his claimed role

I dont get this. his comments about a scum that needs to be recruited to the scum team line up with him being Voldemort?
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I think he means he was checking on lost wolves because he thought he might be one because hes Voldemort. Do lost wolves know theyre lost wolves or do they think theyre town. I dont get it.

I think there absolutely could be two HP characters in, maybe even both town, but that should've jumped out at Cam if he was an HP character or even planning to claim one.

I think it's much simpler to go with Cam claiming Opera Singer and then later switching to Voldemort because either his fakeclaim got messed up somehow (maybe by the existence of 5tar?) or he forgot what he had said and now he's just gotta roll with it.
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Obellisk posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

His comments about lost wolves line up perfectly with his claimed role

I dont get this. his comments about a scum that needs to be recruited to the scum team line up with him being Voldemort?

...and yet not being a scum that needs to be recruited?
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Camarija posted...

People forgetting that I literally hand delivered TWO consecutive mafia

Chris and 5tar did that.

...
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