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Leafeon13N posted...

Which of you leaves me alive...

Leafeon13N posted...

Or, fears corrik more than me?

Ugh that is too meta.

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Puns let me ask you, if I'm scum, why dont i just let Corrik have his way yesterday and set star up for the easy fall?

You think I'm bad enough i couldn't talk my way into that?

All said, its not escaped me that i think I'm the only one to express any doubts in mzero recently..
I'm not sure anyone paid mind to that but its in the back of my head for kill meta.

Gut tells me red picked up on my game perspective and tried to get under my wing by mimicking it

Red was attacking corrik when everyone else was attacking ulti during the gladiator

The now town-town gladiator

Then when I became sure 5tar was scum, red agreed completely

Red posted start of last day saying 5tar is scum, said LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE then hammered 5tar

Red is scum who saw the gladiator happen and knew he could take advantage by going against the grain because Ulti's lynch was inevitable. Recognized by end of day I was the most sensible, credible town and parroted me. Now he's even mimicking my surprise at corrik's flip.

It's a worn out routine with too little effort supporting it from red for it to be valid.

He's seen MZero suspected me.

MZero doesn't kill corrik, because I am MZero's #1 and Corrik's #2 after 5tar.

MZero what are you thinking about red

Leafeon13N posted...

Puns let me ask you, if I'm scum, why dont i just let Corrik have his way yesterday and set star up for the easy fall?

You think I'm bad enough i couldn't talk my way into that?

What is the difference between me and 5tar is that case.

Leafeon13N posted...

All said, its not escaped me that i think I'm the only one to express any doubts in mzero recently..
I'm not sure anyone paid mind to that but its in the back of my head for kill meta.

Elaborate..?

turbopuns3 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

All said, its not escaped me that i think I'm the only one to express any doubts in mzero recently..
I'm not sure anyone paid mind to that but its in the back of my head for kill meta.

Elaborate..?

I said i dont trust mzero at some point the last couple days(i know i said it panth day i think i reiterated i was a little nervous about him yesterday but I'm not sure i posted it).

Its definitely been in the back of my mind that hes skating on a miller claim.

In the event you are scum i wonder if you or someone caught that. Because i dont think corrik was on board with lynching mzero at all.

turbopuns3 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Puns let me ask you, if I'm scum, why dont i just let Corrik have his way yesterday and set star up for the easy fall?

You think I'm bad enough i couldn't talk my way into that?

What is the difference between me and 5tar is that case.

Star is new, he hasn't exactly commanded much fire this game. Hes a weak player, you are not.

And thats all from me for now I'll be back later.

Both of you.

What are your thoughts on my post I dumped about expecting red to die?

Seems very odd to me neither of you commented.

turbopuns3 posted...

MZero what are you thinking about red

His impact has been very limited but he has a good excuse. I actually agree that him going after Corrik on the gladiator day before IGCD revealed the scan was kind of suspicious. I really need to ISO him though cause I don't remember what he's done other than that
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So one of you is in asia and the other works odd hours while apparently living in disneyland.

Meanwhile it's Friday night, I have a perfect buzz going and I'm left to just sit here with my thumb up my ass.

Oh hai

turbopuns3 posted...

Both of you.

What are your thoughts on my post I dumped about expecting red to die?

Seems very odd to me neither of you commented.

I mean it was mostly about Corrik being scum and he already flipped town so >_>

I think if Corrik WAS scum a red kill makes the most sense though

And on top of that 5tar was also fence sitting pretty hard and even suggesting 2 scum was a possibility so it wasn't just Corrik
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turbopuns3 posted...

So one of you is in asia and the other works odd hours while apparently living in disneyland.

Meanwhile it's Friday night, I have a perfect buzz going and I'm left to just sit here with my thumb up my ass.

I'm headed to work now so I'm about to disappear for roughly 8 hours sorry!
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turbopuns3 posted...

What are your thoughts on my post I dumped about expecting red to die?

Seems very odd to me neither of you commented.

Its hard to comment on the fly, as scum its premeditated as town its due diligence. Not necessarily a tell either way.

I was preparing for a similar scenario though more in my head than on paper.

MZero11 posted...

puns buddy relax

This really does not sit well with me

Wow I seriously got ninja's on that post? Lol

turbopuns3 posted...

Then when I became sure 5tar was scum, red agreed completely

I'm going to be honest you calling star scum never even registered on my brain. That was pretty much entirely corrik helping lead that train of thought. Figured if panth was calling all the town town he was calling the scum scum at some point.

Will have to dig into that. Hell I've said it a few times panth called you town a hell of a lot.

Red who is your initial gut pick for scum?

And i was pretty damn confident star was scum, so that kind of stung all things considered.

turbopuns3 posted...

Red who is your initial gut pick for scum?

I couldn't g8ve a straight answer here, you are the obvious choice but also a long trap.

Will have a better answer when i can sit at home and think.

Part of it is that i know you were top of my town list ending the last two days, but that causes a lot of meta problems.

And part of that is now I know some of my thinking on panth was wrong.

Anyway back to work.

It would help if either of you had a single fucking shred of town achievement to your name.

What has either of you done?

Gonna check final votals for each day.

Well phone is dying. Will later though

turbopuns3 posted...

It would help if either of you had a single fucking shred of town achievement to your name.

What has either of you done?

I was onto panth way back when the whole ulti/corrik fiasco was going on for one. I think i commented on him playing too nice. I know you say i hammered but my vote was going on him from the start of his lynch day.

He got caught trying to be everyone's friend and skeptical of no one(except in earlier posts with people that had been confirmed scum).

For the record, coming out of that last lynch i was Corrik >mzero>puns for last scum but i expected that corrik keeps me alive to try to feed his ego and you two kill me. So definitely thrown me for a little loop.

Being stuck talking to yourself in final 3 sucks.

Yes, yes it does.

I had an unexpected excursion come up but I'm nowhere near done with this day. Gonna sleep as it's after 3 and then continue tomorrow.

This is so dumb how MZero is opposite side of the world and we're 3 hours difference. What can ya do

Since you were bringing it up puns, these are the two posts where I started to really not trust panth.

Good evening. Oh hey Corrik did the thing.

Alright so Red does raise a good point about IGCD tracking Ulti to Scare being bizarre if Ulti is scum since Tom would more likely have been the one to kill the claimed cop, but Corrik is right that Ulti might just insist on Strongmanning Han because he respects/fears him. Meanwhile, for Corrik to be scum...Gladiator isn't an extra kill exactly but it's pretty close since in practice scum can target someone they know they can beat. It's a 90% free mislynch, and this scum team already had a lynch manipulation role in the double voter. Corrik is likelier to be town than scum based on that alone.

If we lynch Ulti, it confirms IGCD one way or the other, so that guards against any sort of weird scum IGCD hero ball play. If we lynch Corrik, if he flips scum that confirms Ulti town (which makes the IGCD situation weird since we have to judge whether Ulti is just obsessed with lying about being Vanilla or if IGCD is actually scum...or this tracker framer thing exists but that seems too improbable to count on), if he flips town it doesn't really tell us anything.

Lynching Ulti seems like the better option here. Both he and Corrik have good reasons why they should be town, but Ulti's reason goes away if you assume his team made a questionable play in who to Strongman, which is not impossible, whereas Corriks reason remains solid no matter what. In terms of play, I think Corrik looks more like town than Ulti has. Ulti likely gives more information on lynch, since even if he's town he confirms one scum for us.

So I'm leaning towards lynching him right now. But I want time to think on it some more to make sure I'm not missing anything.

because this is the point i was like "ulti cant fucking be scum with that track" because it made no fucking sense(IGCD, not a great game here dude). I stand by the idea that my logic was sound as shit for ulti being town(Whereas at the time, corrik would have required a leap of faith). Panth basically came in and said "yeah red you bring up a good point but i'm going to lynch ulti anyway, probably". Despite the fact my point was fucking irrefutable at the time that ulti should have been town. If you liked my point(And you should have) theres no way you come out of that lynching ulti.

Panthera posted...

If Ulti is actually town, then Red pretty much has to be town too I think? If Red were scum, he'd have little reason to stop town Ulti from being mislynched. If he believed Ulti was Vanilla, he'd think it was a mislynch that would also make IGCD a possible mislynch. Good, possibly game winning for scum. If he believed Ulti was power, he'd think it was a mislynch of town power. Good for scum. No reason for him to point out the one inconsistency that could save Ulti.

If Ulti is scum, it could go either way. Red could be scum trying to save a teammate and possibly bait IGCD into taking back his track (we can assume scum knew all along that was fake if Ulti is scum) and make himself look bad, Red could be town who thought he'd caught onto something legit. Not 100% sure which is likelier. The scum possibility probably due to wanting to lynch Corrik who should be seen as town regardless due to his role. Not guaranteed though.

then he followed with this which was all sorts of bet hedging and safe.
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Also I was looking for where I said it that day...

Leafeon13N posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Red, who is corrik's partner?

Is it ever Ulti?

Panth?

Maybe an outside shot of mzero.

This was where I was pretty clear I suspected panth. At this point, I kind of wish i'd pressed harder for the paper trail, but oh well. I was pretty deflated by IGCD and vacation tired. I also wasn't necessarily feeling like I had to press very hard since the day was ulti vs corrik and with the game setup I was feeling pretty safe that I wasn't going to be a target(not to mention this was the first bit of game where I wasn't severely time limited).
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I was actually really convinced corrik was scum until I got to the post where panth was trying to direct the gladiator(I still doubted this a bit with the flip yesterday, but apparently my reaction to that was right). Corrik posted that first but we were ctrl-f'ing panth at around the same time. i was actually trying to post the same thing he posted and he just kind of had me beat on timing.
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Leafeon13N posted...

To actually tier it:

Death and igcd are uncountered scanners. We should have 2 easily.

Ulti has fit in with my town picture of him perfectly and puns has put in a lot of effort at a point scum should seem demoralized. They ate both probably town.

Star is innocent puppy I'd be surprised if hes scum.

Mzero hasn't done anything but ride a claim and panth has tried to be everyones friend.

Corrik got twisty with me early and used gladiate at a time town shouldn't gladiate on someone that seemed highly town to me at the time.

oh I did elaborate at least a little.
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Panthera posted...

I agree his content today (and day 2 I think as well IIRC) has been solid, but is fake claiming miller really out of the realm of possibility for him? Remember in Blade Mafia when he made that awful suicide claim to get the godfather lynched when he was usurper, knowing it would get him lynched after the flip and probably piss off his entire team in the process? Claiming Miller as scum doesn't seem any ballsier than that was.

Panth actually tossed shade at you mzero.
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Panthera posted...

Good evening

Alright so at this point, IGCD is confirmed barring some claim that seems unlikely to have waited this long (I believe Red, Puns, and myself are unclaimed now?) and on that note, I'm Ricochet, Face (Town) Vanilla. New to roster, need to work hard, etc.

I'm still sold on Corrik as town, I feel like the anti-Corrik crowd is kind of glossing over the discussion of scum having multiple lynch influencing roles being excessive. MZero's day 1 still bugs me a bit for how irrelevant he was, but since then his posts have generally been constructive and felt like town trying to figure things out. I won't rule him out entirely but I feel pretty comfortable putting him in the town category.

Leaves 5tar, Red and Puns. In that order, I think. 5tar's behavior this game just hasn't really added up from a town mindset, his entire thought process on thinking Death and Scare were linked as scum and then forgetting his read on Scare was built on Death being scum too doesn't feel like a mistake town would make. He focused a lot on them day 1 but never voted for either, going for Red instead who Scare started the train on. 5tar at one point day 1 said he was trying to choose between Red and Tom, before settling on Red. Makes Red/5tar look less likely as teammates, his vote came when the Red lynch looked like it could happen and he had to leave right after.

Red was in the background a lot early on, though he obviously had reason to be busy. He came alive on day 3 to argue for Ulti being town. He was pretty adamant about it but didn't really address the arguments against what he was saying. Feels like it might have been trying to look good by defending a townie who was very likely to be lynched (and if I'm right about Corrik, which I'm pretty sure I am, there would be no downside), he just didn't seem interested enough in considering how he could be wrong for it to be genuine.

Puns I felt good about early on, but by process of elimination he's here and his last day was starting to bug me. His reread of Eaed felt very awkward, like going through the motions. He said he had a theory that Eaed would bus his team hard to survive to endgame, then ultimately concluded he didn't know either way if that was happening because there was a lack of evidence, which calls into question why he'd bring it up in the first place besides trying to look like the analysis was more than it was. I'll have to look back on how he handled the Gladiator claim and this role fishing Corrik says he's been doing because I don't remember it clearly.

So that's where I am. 5tar > Red > Puns, with the caveat that 5tar being scum makes Red less likely.

turbopuns3 posted...

Not gonna overthink this. Panth has been pandering quite a lot this game. Nothing in the voting record to help his case. He's never even been voted, either. (just a stupid thing where ulti voted 4 people in the same post day 1). Classic case of scum stays out of the way while town big dogs fight.

I would say staying out of the way and being indecisive was me for much of day 3, but not before that. IGCD revealing his track was fake was demoralizing so yeah, I know I was a bit at a loss after that, but the first two days I was generally pretty involved when I was around.

This is panth's last post of much substance before it becomes pretty clear hes going down.

He pretty quickly 180's on mzero back to hard town after throwing the shade. Posting this now for easier referencing. Trying to figure out what exactly what he thinks his endgame is here.
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Leafeon13N posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Red who is your initial gut pick for scum?

Reading back me from days ago, my gut tells me to trust my old gut and that scum is mzero.

But the game is way more complicated than that.

Now I think it is my turn to go to bed.
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but mzero is the one least likely to kill me which just starts the fucking circular logic train of horror.
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now i'm going to bed.

or at least i'm going to try.
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also i forgot the not before the kill me. you know what i meant.
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i hope you all know my brain is going to go insane over this game before I sleep. mafia is serious business.
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turbopuns3 posted...

MZero11 posted...

puns buddy relax

This really does not sit well with me

Why not?
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Votals:
red(0): (puns)

Day ends roughly 36 hours from now.
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That is.. Everything?

One post?

Leafeon13N posted...

That is.. Everything?

One post?

I mean I guess I could have talked to myself

I've been doing some rereading but nothing is really sticking out yet
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red13n posted...

Panthera posted...

So Tom and Ulti are scum. Death and IGCD are town. So that leaves Pez, Eaed, Corrik, Puns, 5tar, MZero and Red (and me, but I have a good feeling about myself). Pez looks like almost certain town to me. Corrik is probably town, Puns looks town to me too. So Eaed, 5tar, MZero and Red are where I'd expect the last two scum to be. MZero really sticks out there, I know he's never super active but he's been very irrelevant this game. Same with Red but at least he has a Disney World excuse. I don't want to let him off the hook for it but I also don't want to lynch him for it. He seemed alright on day 1 when he did post but today hasn't been as solid. So I'd lean towards MZero and Red out of those four.

Heres more of him.

He forgets to talk about Star and Eaed entirely.

Interesting. Panth attacks both red and I for inactivity, leaving the door open to jump on if the opportunity arises. I feel like he did that several times but never actually took action. Also calls Puns town.

hmmm
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Well it's 2:30am I should go to bed
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