Since you were bringing it up puns, these are the two posts where I started to really not trust panth.
Good evening. Oh hey Corrik did the thing.
Alright so Red does raise a good point about IGCD tracking Ulti to Scare being bizarre if Ulti is scum since Tom would more likely have been the one to kill the claimed cop, but Corrik is right that Ulti might just insist on Strongmanning Han because he respects/fears him. Meanwhile, for Corrik to be scum...Gladiator isn't an extra kill exactly but it's pretty close since in practice scum can target someone they know they can beat. It's a 90% free mislynch, and this scum team already had a lynch manipulation role in the double voter. Corrik is likelier to be town than scum based on that alone.
If we lynch Ulti, it confirms IGCD one way or the other, so that guards against any sort of weird scum IGCD hero ball play. If we lynch Corrik, if he flips scum that confirms Ulti town (which makes the IGCD situation weird since we have to judge whether Ulti is just obsessed with lying about being Vanilla or if IGCD is actually scum...or this tracker framer thing exists but that seems too improbable to count on), if he flips town it doesn't really tell us anything.
Lynching Ulti seems like the better option here. Both he and Corrik have good reasons why they should be town, but Ulti's reason goes away if you assume his team made a questionable play in who to Strongman, which is not impossible, whereas Corriks reason remains solid no matter what. In terms of play, I think Corrik looks more like town than Ulti has. Ulti likely gives more information on lynch, since even if he's town he confirms one scum for us.
So I'm leaning towards lynching him right now. But I want time to think on it some more to make sure I'm not missing anything.
because this is the point i was like "ulti cant fucking be scum with that track" because it made no fucking sense(IGCD, not a great game here dude). I stand by the idea that my logic was sound as shit for ulti being town(Whereas at the time, corrik would have required a leap of faith). Panth basically came in and said "yeah red you bring up a good point but i'm going to lynch ulti anyway, probably". Despite the fact my point was fucking irrefutable at the time that ulti should have been town. If you liked my point(And you should have) theres no way you come out of that lynching ulti.
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If Ulti is actually town, then Red pretty much has to be town too I think? If Red were scum, he'd have little reason to stop town Ulti from being mislynched. If he believed Ulti was Vanilla, he'd think it was a mislynch that would also make IGCD a possible mislynch. Good, possibly game winning for scum. If he believed Ulti was power, he'd think it was a mislynch of town power. Good for scum. No reason for him to point out the one inconsistency that could save Ulti.
If Ulti is scum, it could go either way. Red could be scum trying to save a teammate and possibly bait IGCD into taking back his track (we can assume scum knew all along that was fake if Ulti is scum) and make himself look bad, Red could be town who thought he'd caught onto something legit. Not 100% sure which is likelier. The scum possibility probably due to wanting to lynch Corrik who should be seen as town regardless due to his role. Not guaranteed though.
then he followed with this which was all sorts of bet hedging and safe. ---
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