Board 8 > WWE Mafia topic 9: Give him the chair!

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Votals:
5tar(2): Puns, (Corrik), Corrik

With 5 alive, 3 to lynch early. Day ends on the 14th at the usual time if no majority is reached.
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Missing my vote on puns.

turbopuns3 posted...

In all seriousness it is probably more likely that 5tar would bus Panth if they're teammates than it is I would bus Panth if we were teammates. BECAUSE I have so much more experience.I would have such an easy time going after Corrik or Red. Like. So easy to spend all day doing that.

This is so that Corrik doesn't forget this tomorrow when puns goes after him for gladiating Ulti, targetting death and Sbell and now voitng me with the game on the line all of which have either already flipped town or in my case will flip town tonight. This is assuming that there isn't two scum and the game isn't over after tonight obviously. Like puns has already said he can make an easy case against both Corrik and red. It's setting up the next day exactly the way he set me up yesterday. I don't understand how you can't see through this ridiculous stance. Like how can players as experienced as this not see that this is so painfully obvious.

Like can someone explain to me how it makes sense that after D1 I was on Tom and Panth yesterday. The only day I was wrong was D1 so puns posts my D1 misreads and Corrik goes gee you're right. He was wrong D1 he must be scum. Like the others days don't matter.

Lolo_Guru posted...

Fixed Votals:
5tar(2): Puns, (Corrik), Corrik
Puns(1): 5tar

With 5 alive, 3 to lynch early. Day ends on the 14th at the usual time if no majority is reached.

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turbopuns3 posted...

your average scum team that has at least one super seasoned vet on it.

Like puns?

Corrik7 posted...

I don't think the game is as easy as 5tar/panth. And, I don't know if I see them being scummates.

turbopuns3 posted...

It fits my pet theory of them being tunnel-visioned scum so nicely, though.

Literally says it is because he said so even though it doesn't make sense.

turbopuns3 posted...

So, Panth was accurate with like 7 town reads on Day 1, and the only scum he called correctly is the one scum eaed and tom both suspected?

MZero11 posted...

You're kind of proving why 5tar/Panth doesn't make sense!

Corrik7 posted...

Puns or 5tar last scum.

Corrik7 posted...

It doesn't make sense for 5tar to be scum with his play yesterday.

Corrik7 posted...

There is frankly a lot of things that make me think puns is scum.

Corrik7 posted...

The flavor call out on Panth is interesting. Either Panth told him to do it to seem town or it was a genuine argument. I mean, I understand the roleblocker no longer mattered yesterday, but again, what is their path to victory? They needed a mislynch. Them bussing each other yesterday seems so ridiculously silly. I mean, if they are both scum they didn't even entertain a non-scum Lynch at all.

puns however did! He literally spent yesterday trying to convince everyone that it was me and Panth and not him and Panth like I originally said to him.
@Corrik7 You literally did a 180 on your read becuase puns who you thought was scum threw a load of information from D1. Literally the day where town has no information and scum has it all. Instead of yesterday when town finally has information and can make better reads. Like yes my reads on D1 were bad I admit that but it was a mistake based on what I saw. The more information I've had the better my reads. puns argument is built on me bussing Panth AND Tom and not getting my reads right out the gate.

Off to bed. Fingers crossed I dont wake up dead.

Dead tag
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Lies in bed mulling this clusterfuck over and trying to work out if Corrik is awful or scum. Went after SBell - town. Went after death - town. Went after puns with Ultis fake claim if you believe Im scum you must think puns is town. Then eventually gladiated Ulti - town. This is when I had an epiphany. I remember Corrik being thrown by how puns completely dismissed Ultis claim and it got lost because it turned out to be bs. Puns knew it was bs because hes godfather. He didnt put the kill in so tracking him wouldnt prove anything. Hes godfather so he wouldnt have scanned guilty either having not put the kill in. He knew even if Ulti was power that he was lying about the scan and thats why he wasnt bothered. Ulti trapped himself by picking the one scum player he couldnt possibly have caught. Corrik if you are town this is your chance to not lose the game.

5tarscream posted...

Lies in bed mulling this clusterfuck over and trying to work out if Corrik is awful or scum. Went after SBell - town. Went after death - town. Went after puns with Ultis fake claim if you believe Im scum you must think puns is town. Then eventually gladiated Ulti - town. This is when I had an epiphany. I remember Corrik being thrown by how puns completely dismissed Ultis claim and it got lost because it turned out to be bs. Puns knew it was bs because hes godfather. He didnt put the kill in so tracking him wouldnt prove anything. Hes godfather so he wouldnt have scanned guilty either having not put the kill in. He knew even if Ulti was power that he was lying about the scan and thats why he wasnt bothered. Ulti trapped himself by picking the one scum player he couldnt possibly have caught. Corrik if you are town this is your chance to not lose the game.

We can't lost the game if you are town. It would send us to Mylo.

Puns looks absolutely awful also. And if you are town, he is undoubtedly the last scum.

But, you made a post that ignored every last scum and addressed only 9/11 town. That's almost impossible.

Then eaed protected you day 1. Tom looked for an excuse to get off you. And Panth only voted you when it was safe to do so.

That amount of evidence day 1 was damning.

But, if you are town, it is probably puns. Tho no one should write off anyone in a final 3 and do their due diligence.
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5tarscream posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Puns started to set this up yesterday he half heartedly tried to defend Panth in the off chance that he came back. He removed his own vote from scum at -1,

As is standard practice. Literally what town is supposed to do.

Literally the opposite of what puns is doing right now because Im not scum and hes not town.

I repeat this because Im right and I want people to remember
5tar Town Vanilla
Puns Scum Godfather.

5tarscream posted...

You've been played.
I hope that puns is the only scum left and it isn't him and red. That way you at least have a shot at getting him tomorrow.
Corrik gladiated town then lynched town vanilla with the game on the line. Well played Corrik.

Have I been played or am I scum? You seem to go back and forth on this.

Yet, why are you sure it is puns? And why do you keep proposing a red/puns team which is impossible?
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Except puns already said yesterday he would have no issues making a case against you or red and that its actually be easy. Assuming puns kills zero who is the only one that hasnt taken his bait he literally just has to get red to vote you. Red that already voted you when it was you or Ulti. Youve done nothing positive for town this whole game why would they not vote you? If red votes with pubs today why would he not vote you tomorrow?

5tarscream posted...

Except puns already said yesterday he would have no issues making a case against you or red and that its actually be easy. Assuming puns kills zero who is the only one that hasnt taken his bait he literally just has to get red to vote you. Red that already voted you when it was you or Ulti. Youve done nothing positive for town this whole game why would they not vote you? If red votes with pubs today why would he not vote you tomorrow?

I can assure you me and red aren't voting each other.
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Honestly at this point I dont know if youve been played or your scum. Did you read what I wrote?
About puns on pants yesterday? About puns on me now? About puns knowing Ultimate lied.

How can you know what red is going to do? Short of being scummates how can you be that certain? Why are you deliberately trying to look scummy? Like why do you keep saying why is it puns and not you?

5tarscream posted...

Honestly at this point I dont know if youve been played or your scum. Did you read what I wrote?
About puns on pants yesterday? About puns on me now? About puns knowing Ultimate lied.

So am I scum or being played. You have puns and red supposedly scum together. Now are saying I might be scum. The only person not scum is Mzero who isn't suspecting you. There is one scum left. And you are floating 2 man teams and 3 possible.

Like, have you not scum hunted and figured out any town all game?
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5tarscream posted...

How can you know what red is going to do? Short of being scummates how can you be that certain? Why are you deliberately trying to look scummy? Like why do you keep saying why is it puns and not you?

So now you are floating a 2 man team of me and red.

Lol
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How many times do you want me to say this? I literally just posted saying you and zero and red are town. What makes you so confident that when I flip town you will be able to beat puns?

I guess puns is just getting played in that scenario? I thought u were positive he was scum? Now he wouldn't be?
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5tarscream posted...

How many times do you want me to say this? I literally just posted saying you and zero and red are town. What makes you so confident that when I flip town you will be able to beat puns?

Okay so now all the talk of puns/red and me/red is not real. It is just puns.

Good.

Now go build the case it is puns. When I wanted puns yesterday you seemed uninterested.
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What is wrong with you? Are you deliberately misreading what I write? I asked you how can you be sure that red wont vote you? How can anyone be sure unless theyre both scum? What am I missing here?

5tarscream posted...

What is wrong with you? Are you deliberately misreading what I write? I asked you how can you be sure that red wont vote you? How can anyone be sure unless theyre both scum? What am I missing here?

That we both know we are town. But one of us won't be alive tomorrow anyways if ur town.
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5tarscream posted...

At Three Gorges Dam today. Wont be active until later. Corrik is either scum or absolutely useless. Before we get sidetracked by panth and Corrik trying to claim Im scum. Im town vanilla No Way Jose.

5tarscream posted...

red13n posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Who actually believes Corrik can be scum at this point?

*hand*

Panthera posted...

So that's where I am. 5tar > Red > Puns, with the caveat that 5tar being scum makes Red less likely.

This post is a very good one in 5tars favor. Puns is his last choice. And, Panth wouldn't join me on puns. And, he says is 5tar is scum, red is more likely town. Which if 5tar is town, it gives him the path to vote red next as being scum. Conveniently staying away from puns.
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So you wanted puns yesterday but today you dont. Youre town same as me. Why am I supposed to do your work for you? I posted my thoughts. You either agree with them or you dont.
If youre not certain that puns is town then why are you voting? Try reading yesterday as well as D1. Its 11 o clock and Im on my phone and you want me to go through 4000 posts to prove to you that youre wrong. Again.

If I was puns I would absolutely be killing Zero because hes the one that has been openly saying he suspects puns is scum. I mean you can argue you run the risk of confirming it by killing him but if hes going to vote you anyway surely its worth the risk and claim youre being framed and try to sway red into killing you?

5tarscream posted...

I feel like between IGCD has been the worst sleeper agent ever and has done way more harm than good with his scans and his lying. I think hes down but hes done more work for scum than they have themselves.
Mzero I think is town and red too.
That leaves either puns as scum or Corrik as scum gladiator. Corrik makes some sense just in terms of his targets but he could just have completely fucked up using his power cos he got trigger happy. If we assume Panth is roleblocker that would make puns Godfather or vice versa. This seems more likely to me than Corrik having some sort of dual OP role.

Yet ur saying puns now.
5tarscream posted...

Its easy to think youre scum because of all the mistakes you made especially around threatening Sbell (town), death (town) and ulti (town) with the gladiator power. Its either youre scum or youve totally fucked this game up though a major portion of that blame lies with IGCD and his scans of Scare (town) and you (probably town) not to mention his fake claim of a guilty scan on ulti that everyone believed me included because why wouldnt we.
From what Ive seen most of the flavour has been hand picked to suit the player at least a little. Whats the reasoning behind Panth being a newcomer when hes anything but

4 posts now saying I am scum and scummier than puns.

And this one had lies. I never threatened sbell. I checked.

5tarscream posted...

Id say Panth and puns.

And now u flip to puns.
5tarscream posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

5tarscream posted...

Id say Panth and puns.

You think I bus my partner out the gate in this situation?

I think its a possibility because youd be clear next day. Thats panth dead, one nk most likely IGCD, next day youd be above suspicion so youd be unlikely to be killed, then another nk. You think thats impossible?

Honestly you are just erratic on who supposedly is scum.
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5tarscream posted...

So you wanted puns yesterday but today you dont. Youre town same as me. Why am I supposed to do your work for you? I posted my thoughts. You either agree with them or you dont.
If youre not certain that puns is town then why are you voting? Try reading yesterday as well as D1. Its 11 o clock and Im on my phone and you want me to go through 4000 posts to prove to you that youre wrong. Again.

All you did was post the cliff notes of what I said about puns. You did zero work.
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5tarscream posted...

If I was puns I would absolutely be killing Zero because hes the one that has been openly saying he suspects puns is scum. I mean you can argue you run the risk of confirming it by killing him but if hes going to vote you anyway surely its worth the risk and claim youre being framed and try to sway red into killing you?

Nah. I would be the kill cuz I am as close to confirmed town it gets with set up meta and my role.
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Are you seriously going to sit there and say nothing youve done this game has looked remotely scummy?

5tarscream posted...

So you wanted puns yesterday but today you dont. Youre town same as me. Why am I supposed to do your work for you? I posted my thoughts. You either agree with them or you dont.
If youre not certain that puns is town then why are you voting? Try reading yesterday as well as D1. Its 11 o clock and Im on my phone and you want me to go through 4000 posts to prove to you that youre wrong. Again.

Sure. That's what town does. Does work. Use cntl f and skip the ones he doesn't make.
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5tarscream posted...

Are you seriously going to sit there and say nothing youve done this game has looked remotely scummy?

Nah. I am surefire town. Nothing I have done all game can be considered scummy.

Plus I got roleblocked night 1 which wasn't countered and was before way too many ppl came back to the game. And my role. I am 99% town. Nothing scummy to point from me.
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Asking if I expect you to do work to prove someone is town when using the cliff notes of my own work is kinda silly lol
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turbopuns3 posted...

ScareChan posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Scare, you got nothing on me?

I liked you, would put you above eh, bottom of town

What makes Tom townie

This is D1. Puns as scum is asking what Scare has and also asking about scum mate Tom. Scare says puns is town and dies N1.

5tarscream posted...

Player experience is absolutely a factor here. There is no way Id be comfortable enough to try and manipulate you, red, corrik, zero and igcd for the remainder of the game and I dare say that the other scum players would never have let that happen. It would be an absolute suicide play by scum if there was only myself and Panth left for me to bus him. Like logically it doesnt make any sense at all for me to do that. It makes even less sense for me to do that and then lay out that exact scenario to you at the same time

I don't get how you play the inexperience card while also calling people "either scum or awful town" or "useless town" or etc.
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5tarscream posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

ScareChan posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Scare, you got nothing on me?

I liked you, would put you above eh, bottom of town

What makes Tom townie

This is D1. Puns as scum is asking what Scare has and also asking about scum mate Tom. Scare says puns is town and dies N1.

Why would scare saying puns is town and dying night 1 make puns scum?
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It just felt like maybe puns was fishing and removed Scare before he could change his mind and start building a case on puns.

Like

0% corrik
2% red
5% Mzero
49% 5tar
44%puns.

Chances of being the last scum.
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5tarscream posted...

It just felt like maybe puns was fishing and removed Scare before he could change his mind and start building a case on puns.

That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Scare died because they thought he was the cop night 1. Has nothing to do with that. And, doesn't make sense to kill scare based on a day 1 read of puns being town.
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You keep talking about this experience thing and I honestly dont know why you think Im some seasoned vet. Like seriously if there is a list somewhere of who has signed up for which games of mafia you really need to check it. Because this is legit my third or fourth game total. The one on GnT that se7en did about the circle. You were scum, I lost. You biased ROBAN when he and I were fighting then I got lynched a few rounds later after you claimed I bosses him not you. Then the animaniacs one that I think ea ran. I was town hugger. Got B8 speciald on D1. There may be another that I dont remember where I got lynched D1 too.

5tarscream posted...

You keep talking about this experience thing and I honestly dont know why you think Im some seasoned vet. Like seriously if there is a list somewhere of who has signed up for which games of mafia you really need to check it. Because this is legit my third or fourth game total. The one on GnT that se7en did about the circle. You were scum, I lost. You biased ROBAN when he and I were fighting then I got lynched a few rounds later after you claimed I bosses him not you. Then the animaniacs one that I think ea ran. I was town hugger. Got B8 speciald on D1. There may be another that I dont remember where I got lynched D1 too.

You talk down to people repeatedly this game calling them useless or awful.
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You literally said yourself that the way I play town often leads me to get mislynched D1. Everything puns have you was literally D1. After the game I really need to speak to more experienced players and specifically the ones that thought I was scum and see what exactly it is that makes people think that when Im town.

Only when their play has been useless or awful. The truth is the truth regardless of experience. SBell got himself lynched D1 as town power and his only read was me who is also town. IGCD followed claimed cop town, then lied about a scan because he felt like it, this lynched another town, then he scanned town gladiator. Thats not exactly great work. I dont think I need to tell you how well youve played this game either

5tarscream posted...

You literally said yourself that the way I play town often leads me to get mislynched D1. Everything puns have you was literally D1. After the game I really need to speak to more experienced players and specifically the ones that thought I was scum and see what exactly it is that makes people think that when Im town.

You literally said I was mistaken and u didn't play the games I thought u did
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Except in the last game I played that is exactly what happened. I assumed you remembered.

So ur only post for puns being scum is that scare thought puns was town and got shot night 1 after claiming cop.
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Im on my phone and theres a lot to read. Gimme a break. Its half 11 and Im trying to not wake my wife up while I try to defend myself to a complete stranger on the internet over a game of mafia.
Oh god my life sucks.

UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Chill. I was equally (in)active last day 1, too. You probably didn't notice because you were scum.

So that's 39 posts in topic 1 alone. Should I keep going here or have I proven my point yet?

Oh and Puns, if you think activity is the only thing I caught you on, I'm insulted. It's like you forgot how good I am when I actually get to be town and how good we know each other! :D Come on bro, we're supposed to meet up and get drinks at some point IRL. We cannot fool each other on alignment. Ever.

But I'll leave the tell a secret, because tells are fun. But in this game alone you went inactive, got scummoned, lied about activity, and parroted my vote. Come on dude. Still killing Stu anyway because his lynch gives us more info, and there is absolutely nothing he can say or do that will change my mind, but you are done tomorrow if town bothers pulling up my work here.

Remember what Ulti said about listening to the dead. Ulti caught puns D1 and in typical Ulti fashion kept the reason to himself. This also plays into puns as godfather playing it safe N1 if he thought maybe Ulti did have something on him and why he then knew Ulti was lying day 2