Board 8 > WWE Mafia topic 9: Give him the chair!

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I can't help but feel like you're not really trying that hard red. I mean you just seem to have shrugged a lot and acted like you can't do anything if MZero isn't here. I don't feel that you've made much of any advances in your reads since the day started.

Like I think all the rereading you've done was looking up stuff about yourself, not me or mzero.

I ended up in bed not feeling great. Your not wrong about no advances though.

If the deadline was in 5 minutes i lynch mzero. A good part of any f3 logic is a feel of where everyone wants to put their vote and why. There should be a push or pull. Without much of mzero I'm not confident.

turbopuns3 posted...

Like I think all the rereading you've done was looking up stuff about yourself, not me or mzero.

I've done pretty much a full game reread. I'm not sure what more you are expecting. If i had an aha moment on either of you I'd have posted it.

Leafeon13N posted...

A good part of any f3 logic is a feel of where everyone wants to put their vote and why. There should be a push or pull.

Can you expand on this

turbopuns3 posted...

Can you expand on this

At some point the game theoretically becomes x v y.

So we're just gonna sit here and wait for MZero to wake up and then hash it all out in like an hour.

What could go wrong.

The other option is kill mzero without giving him say. Not very sound.

Good morning

turbopuns3 posted...

And MZero seems to only really be entertaining my lynch.

Have I been giving off this impression? Because at times I've been leaning towards red
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i thought so too but wasn't going to burst puns' bubble.
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also how did we land this on a kind of holiday, because i am most certainly playing smash with family.
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I pretty much thought you just once said "well I kinda need to reread red" but that was about it

Ok well I guess this is my queue to head back home a little early. I was gonna leave in about 15 minutes anyway

It's about a 30 minute drive

turbopuns3 posted...

What has red DONE. Red, one of the best town players in b8, what has he done?

Honestly he pretty much just has the Panth lynch. I think he brought up great points about it. Even if Ulti brought Panth up first I feel like he didn't back it up much

Also he was using some sound logic on the Ulti being tracked to Scare after Strongman flipped not adding up. Of course, as scum he would have known that from the start so it's not worth as much
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red13n posted...

i thought so too but wasn't going to burst puns' bubble.

what is this post

Why not say it if you thought it?

turbopuns3 posted...

And if you want to consider last night

No killing would have probably benefited me most

Whereas from red's seat, you were wanting to lynch me yesterday and (as red pointed out) corrik was very much of the mindset that he'd have to rethink everything if it hit lylo

True. That's WIFOM though

Do you think I benefit from killing Corrik when he had me as practically confirmed town?

Do you think red does?
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MZero11 posted...

Honestly he pretty much just has the Panth lynch. I think he brought up great points about it. Even if Ulti brought Panth up first I feel like he didn't back it up much

Also he was using some sound logic on the Ulti being tracked to Scare after Strongman flipped not adding up. Of course, as scum he would have known that from the start so it's not worth as much

yeah but look at it the other way. I went hard after corrik. I wanted Corrik dead that day, i pressed for it. Do I look any better if corrik dies and flips town?
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Votals
(0) Red, (Puns)

Roughly 2 and a half hours until end of day
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turbopuns3 posted...

red13n posted...

i thought so too but wasn't going to burst puns' bubble.

what is this post

Why not say it if you thought it?

nothing to be gained from it either way really. Although I thought i made it pretty clear we didnt know exactly where mzero was leaning.
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red13n posted...

yeah but look at it the other way. I went hard after corrik. I wanted Corrik dead that day, i pressed for it. Do I look any better if corrik dies and flips town?

No, but I thought it was obvious Ulti was going down regardless, so I think it was relatively low risk
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MZero11 posted...

No, but I thought it was obvious Ulti was going down regardless, so I think it was relatively low risk

really? Especially early on I thought I had a strong enough argument to turn that day. Pretty sure I specifically addressed a few people i thought I could convince.

IGCD definitely sucked the air out of the day though.
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I think it'd be really hard to lynch the confirmed gladiator (with scum double voter and Strongman already flipped) over an uncountered tracker's scan
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And I'm going to reiterate that is where panth went yeah red your argument is good but I'm just going to ignore you and vote ulti anyway.

It was blatant scum awful and got him caught.

MZero11 posted...

uncountered tracker's scan

That was the whole point though. The scan was no longer damning.

MZero you didn't bat an eye at me when Ulti claimed a guilty on me but you instantly bought IGCD when he claimed a track on Ulti

Why is that

(it was the opposite of damning, even)

Speaking of that, I forgot to mention this before but by the time you explained how the situation was different than last game, I'm 99% sure IGCD had already admitted the fake scan so there wasn't really a reason to respond to it
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MZero11 posted...

I forgot to mention this before but by the time you explained how the situation was different than last game, I'm 99% sure IGCD had already admitted the fake scan so there wasn't really a reason to respond to it

I think i had said this before. Because i dont think i was demoralized at that point. Can check.

turbopuns3 posted...

MZero you didn't bat an eye at me when Ulti claimed a guilty on me but you instantly bought IGCD when he claimed a track on Ulti

Why is that

Ulti was obviously lying, and I had been town reading IGCD and thought he was legit

You said it yourself Ulti's fake claim wasn't even well executed

I also thought Ulti was probably scum at that point
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#432

this was when I mentioned ulti's "Crazy" scum play compared to last game.

#447

This is where IGCD revealed fake track.

So I was right.
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MZero11 posted...

True. That's WIFOM though

Do you think I benefit from killing Corrik when he had me as practically confirmed town?

Do you think red does?

I mean if my scenarios I presented are WIFOM why ask me these questions

turbopuns3 posted...

Occam's razor says red. MZero should have no killed if he was scum. Nobody suspected him.

Both MZero and Corrik listed red as their #2.

Red would know, despite me never explicitly stating it, that Corrik was my #2.

But I am MZero's #1 right now.

Oh you already answered
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mzero when exactly did you start to lean red?

your first post today you said you think it's me but that you'd need to reread

then I think the next time you ever voiced anything concrete either way was when you just showed up today and said you'd been leaning red

when and why the switch?

Leafeon13N posted...

For the record, coming out of that last lynch i was Corrik >mzero>puns for last scum but i expected that corrik keeps me alive to try to feed his ego and you two kill me. So definitely thrown me for a little loop.

I wonder if red tipped his hand here that he thinks he would have been lynched if there was no kill

turbopuns3 posted...

mzero when exactly did you start to lean red?

your first post today you said you think it's me but that you'd need to reread

then I think the next time you ever voiced anything concrete either way was when you just showed up today and said you'd been leaning red

when and why the switch?

No switch, there have just been times when I was leaning towards red. But you said I was only entertaining your lynch which is not true. I'm still undecided

I just expect more from Town Red, especially since he got back from vacation. But there's not a lot that makes me think he's town OR scum, which isn't a great sign
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one thing that's giving me pause about red as scum though.

if he shot corrik it's most likely because he figured mzero would lynch me.

so then why hasn't red really done much of anything to shade me? he hasn't really don't any head on attacking at all so far.

MZero11 posted...

I just expect more from Town Red, especially since he got back from vacation. But there's not a lot that makes me think he's town OR scum, which isn't a great sign

If anything its been a bad mix of vacation and then work. I also had two days basically stolen from me due to airport shenanigans when my flight got canceled.

if it's mzero. he probably shot corrik just because that allows him to stay in a mindset that's easy for him to fake. like me and red were his #1 and #2, corrik was his top town read, so he can easily just keep kinda nodding along and going "yep this seems normal to me!"

MZero11 posted...

But there's not a lot that makes me think he's town OR scum, which isn't a great sign

I just want you both to know that I feel this way about both of you. lol

hm and I was saying one of the biggest reasons I've trusted red is just that he's been voting with me the past 2 days

which normally would make me feel really sketched out

but on the other hand, if MZero IS the scum then it just makes perfect sense

ugh

I won't rule him out entirely but I feel pretty comfortable putting him in the town category.

Leaves 5tar, Red and Puns.

This part from panth is what my mind keeps going back to. We know thats a path to victory.

Also he said he wouldn't rule mzero out and then the rest of his post basically ruled mzero out.

Bleh. Its not quite definitive enough.

And I'm trying to sort this out between games of Smash. This sucks.
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58 minutes remain.
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red13n posted...

5tar, Red and Puns.

We know thats a path to victory.

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then the rest of his post basically ruled mzero out.

ok so it's just null then. either you're scum in the 3 or I'm scum in the 3 or mzero is scum and not in the 3

seems a weird thing to get totally hung up on

turbopuns3 posted...

ok so it's just null then. either you're scum in the 3 or I'm scum in the 3 or mzero is scum and not in the 3

seems a weird thing to get totally hung up on

yeah it sucks. its one of those posts you expect to have something and then you read it over and over again and have nothing.
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MZero what's crackin dude it's been 45 minutes of silence from you

have I slipped into the shadow realm or something

I am all alone in the vacuum of lylo

looking back in topic 8

I completely forgot MZero attacked me some while Panth's lynch was on the table

red attacked MZero for using bad gladiator meta

like I wanted to say red looked sketchy AF for suddenly mentioning he has to play smash

but like

somehow he is beating out MZero in activity and justification for inactivity with that

The possibility that mzero has been lurking in the back of the game waiting for us to cannibalize each other has not been off my radar.
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