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I think panth called him town too much for him to be scum.
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I mean killing the roleblocker left scum no choice but to kill IGCD as the confirmed tracker. If they didn't and he happened to actually pick scum then it was game over for them. It's equally obvious that puns was going to vote me because realistaclly its down to puns, red and I. I'm assuming there is only one scum left. Puns started to set this up yesterday he half heartedly tried to defend Panth in the off chance that he came back. He removed his own vote from scum at -1, he also warned Corrik off Panth later when he was again at -1 in the off chance that Panth came back and did something special and he could switch the lynch to me.
I feel like between Panth being really non commital and then being caught out on flavour he was a lock. Puns also spent the day "interacting" with everyone. Which is to say sucking up to everyone because he needed them to follow him because if he gets caught today it's game over. There is surely only 1 scum left.
Puns will vote me, I will vote puns.
That leaves Zero, corrik and red to be the deciding vote.
If you think I literally bussed Panth in the final two and on top of that caught the flavour lie, if it was me and Panth wouldn't we just accuse each other and see who survived. Why would scum choose to have me survive over him? Also I was the one that stayed on Tom and called him out after Pez cleared him because he changed his style.
Puns is getting his vote out early to try and spend the whole day going 5tar bussed Panth and stayed on Tom because reasons.
It's a lie.
I'm Town Vanilla. No Way Jose.
You can either vote puns and end this. Or you can vote me and end it tomorrow by voting puns. The only obstacle remaining is wether or not puns AND red are scum but I doubt it.
Corrik Town Gladiator
MZero Town Miller
Red Town Vanilla
5tar Town Vanilla
Puns Scum Godfather.

##Vote: Puns

Go to day 1

ctrl + f '5tar' (not the full username)

Ignore 5tarscream's posts - read the posts of dead town who mentioned him.

Scare called him scum.

SBell called him scum.

Death heavily shaded him.

Pez was tilting his head at 5tar's defense of himself.

Han called him scum.

Ulti called him scum.

SBell addressed Panth directly to ask about thoughts on 5tar, and Panth wrote like 2,000 fucking words in reply.

I'm not even through half of day 1 yet.

Corrik you only thought 5tar was town because you though death was scum.

Haha. You know who else called me scum?
Tom, Ea and Panth.

turbopuns3 posted...

Scare called him scum.

SBell called him scum.

Death heavily shaded him.

Pez was tilting his head at 5tar's defense of himself.

Han called him scum.

Ulti called him scum.

I know "wifom"

But every single one of these players called me town

The game is, in all likelihood not that difficult

5tarscream posted...

Haha. You know who else called me scum?
Tom, Ea and Panth.

So you agree with my view of the game then. Good to know~

Actually I guess I'm not sure what SBell's final thoughts on me were, I'd have to look back

If it's red and puns we lose by lynching me.
Corrik you already gladiated town. Think of puns' actions/reactions to that.
Look at him trying to hold off on Panth when he was dead to rights. Check his reaction to Ulti's fake scan claim. Check his reaction to Tom being caught.
If you get this lynch wrong and there is 2 scum left we lose the game. You have 48 hours. See who puns has actually gone after hard and who he's caught. I imagine it won't be Panth and Tom.

I mean how many of your day 1 reads holds true now? It's like you're saying first impressions are the be all and end all of mafia. Like opinions don't change with new information.

Lunch time

5tarscream posted...

If it's red and puns we lose by lynching me.

If he's town it doesn't matter who scum is. He should just be saying if he gets lynched we lose.

As in I am about to have lunch that isn't a typo for lynch.

Come on corrik he's blatantly fearmongering you lol

Just read day 1.

I think I might actually be heading to bed soon. I think I'm still sort of on east coast time, and because I didn't have enough Disney I went to Disneyland for a bit today with my little cousins. And I have 11 days of work starting tomorrow.
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5tarscream posted...

if it was me and Panth wouldn't we just accuse each other and see who survived. Why would scum choose to have me survive over him?

Weird.
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5tarscream posted...

If it's red and puns we lose by lynching me.

Impossible
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5tarscream posted...

If it's red and puns we lose by lynching me.
Corrik you already gladiated town. Think of puns' actions/reactions to that.
Look at him trying to hold off on Panth when he was dead to rights. Check his reaction to Ulti's fake scan claim. Check his reaction to Tom being caught.
If you get this lynch wrong and there is 2 scum left we lose the game. You have 48 hours. See who puns has actually gone after hard and who he's caught. I imagine it won't be Panth and Tom.

I have alrdy stated that puns has so many bad things to his name this game to be scum
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It is impossible there is two scum left, but why don't you explain to me if you think red and puns are both scum why puns if scummier to you.
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I don't have anything left to say. I am at peace with my view of the game right now.

You can choose to think I bussed scum extra kill day 1 and day 2. You can choose to think I went nudging death to talk about his cop breadcrumb of Tom at a point in time when there was town claiming a damning scan on town. You can choose to think I put in the most effort of anyone day 3 during the gladiator which was (#probably) town-town just to fool everyone. You can choose to think I skewered my teammate mercilessly day 4 without even entertaining the thought of lynching anyone else. You can choose to think that scare, han, ulti, death, pez, etc. were all fooled by me.

Or.

You can choose to think maybe an inexperienced scum team got solved by a good town.

It's up to you all at this point. I'm all in.

turbopuns3 posted...

You can choose to think I skewered my teammate mercilessly day 4 without even entertaining the thought of lynching anyone else.

Why does this make you town and not 5tat? I'd say 5tar worked harder for Panths lynch than you did also.
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Corrik7 posted...

Why does this make you town and not 5tat? I'd say 5tar worked harder for Panths lynch than you did also.

Well he was probably more sure he was right.

5tar showed up 2 hours before end of day.

He posted - literally - 1 word in that 2 hours.

turbopuns3 posted...

5tar showed up 2 hours before end of day.

He posted - literally - 1 word in that 2 hours.

He is Asian.
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Panthera posted...

Good afternoon

SBell, do you have scum reads on anyone who isn't attacking you? So far you think Han is scum and you "questioned" if Puns was when he attacked you. You also said you didn't want to lynch MZero unless it was clear he was scum. What level of clarity are you thinking you'd need and why is it beyond what you'd need for anyone else?

I don't care for Death so far. His point on Corrik talking about role reads openly being similar to scum Corrik's last appearance is weak - Corrik doesn't shy away from trying to openly solve everything regardless and he should know it. He also takes the time to point out that SBell was less angry last game. With Han having earlier said that angry SBell is scum SBell, this seems like a very soft, non-committal attack. Death, tell us how you really feel about SBell

Leaning pretty town on Puns, Han to a lesser extent. I don't necessarily agree with Han's argument about IGCD (it could also be a "just posting to post" thing from scum who wants to make it look like they were active until IRL intervened, so it's null in my mind) but it feels genuine.

Pezlo (I think you're the one person in this game I've never played with, or even heard of before), what gave you your town read on Corrik?

Literally addresses everyone but Tom in this post that has talked in the game so far. Lol

Every single person addressed is town. Besides possibly puns.

Panth... My man... Lol
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Corrik7 posted...

He is Asian.

He asked before going to bed to clarify what time day ended. We said there's 12.5 hours left he said cool wanted to make sure I didn't sleep through deadline.

He posted good morning ~2 hours before deadline.

And never said another word.

turbopuns3 posted...

5tarscream posted...

If it's red and puns we lose by lynching me.

If he's town it doesn't matter who scum is. He should just be saying if he gets lynched we lose.

Except that's not true if it's just 1 scum left.
4 town vs 1 scum 1 day kill and 1 night kill = 2 town vs 1 scum.
3T vs 2S 1 dk and 1nk = 1T vs 2S

Literally just a no context "Morning"

And all that was being discussed basically was how he was scum with Panth. Lol.

5tarscream posted...

Except that's not true if it's just 1 scum left.
4 town vs 1 scum 1 day kill and 1 night kill = 2 town vs 1 scum.
3T vs 2S 1 dk and 1nk = 1T vs 2S

Oh right numbers.

Point is, fearmongering. Scum's favorite last defense.

5tarscream posted...

he half heartedly tried to defend Panth in the off chance that he came back

L

O

L

(I just now decided to read his wall btw)

I'm not Asian. I'm English I just live and work in china.

Puns seems scummier because he was the one trying to delay Panth lynch when it was an open and shut case. Puns is also the one that spent most of his time yesterday trying to prove that I was bussing Panth but now seems to think he was the one doing the work to lynch Panth. Puns is the one trying today to lynch town where red just continues to partially afk. If they're both scum puns is the more dangerous at the moment because he's the one actively trying to lynch town. If there is only 1 scum it's puns. He's already starting to contradict himself. There was nothing to add yesterday. The lynch was already set and it was just you spouting nonsense about how you think scum chose me as their last stand. Your argument now is literally oh all these town people thought he was scum on D1 so he must be scum. Town don't have the information you have. We have to guess and work things out as we go. Town also lynched SBell day 1 and pushed Red too but both were town because we were wrong.

5tar makes 2 posts all of topic 1. 1 is just saying why he hasn't been there so far and asking questions / discussing all guaranteed town played. Trying to remember why that sound familiar. The other is saying he is tired.
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Maths is a scum tactic? What even is this argument puns?

5tarscream posted...

I'm not Asian. I'm English I just live and work in china.

Puns seems scummier because he was the one trying to delay Panth lynch when it was an open and shut case. Puns is also the one that spent most of his time yesterday trying to prove that I was bussing Panth but now seems to think he was the one doing the work to lynch Panth. Puns is the one trying today to lynch town where red just continues to partially afk. If they're both scum puns is the more dangerous at the moment because he's the one actively trying to lynch town. If there is only 1 scum it's puns. He's already starting to contradict himself. There was nothing to add yesterday. The lynch was already set and it was just you spouting nonsense about how you think scum chose me as their last stand. Your argument now is literally oh all these town people thought he was scum on D1 so he must be scum. Town don't have the information you have. We have to guess and work things out as we go. Town also lynched SBell day 1 and pushed Red too but both were town because we were wrong.

Why is puns scum and not me? I didn't wanna vote Panth for half the day and unvoted him late and never came back for deadline or revoted him. And gave him "outs" to come and defend himself.
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Because you're confirmed gladiator. Because you were roleblocked night 1. Because you took your vote off after puns told you too. Because not voting isn't the same as actively trying to save someone.

5tarscream posted...

Because you're confirmed gladiator. Because you were roleblocked night 1. Because you took your vote off after puns told you too. Because not voting isn't the same as actively trying to save someone.

How would I know I was roleblocked night 1? I am a day power. Just a regular roleblocker flipped. I was obviously lying.
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5tarscream posted...

To clarify I wasnt criticising Corriks style of play. I was saying its predictable and that SBells and deaths reactions just didnt sit well with me. Their reaction stunk of panic as if theyd been rumbled and where trying to suck up to Corrik. I think SBell, death are scum. Maybe Tom too because his style seems a little fluffy compared to what Id expect from him. As town. None of them has really contributed anything in my opinion. Nothing of substance.

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5tarscream posted...

Stop sucking up to me

This is a really townish comment imo.
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5tarscream posted...

Id say use it on death and it says a lot more about Scares intentions. Hes super adamant on using it on anyone except death.

Bad bad post. Gladiate death not cuz he is scum but because it makes scares intentions clear.
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You guys while playing this game thought be was new

5tarscream posted...

Youre either scum trying hard to tunnel on somebody you know as town because Scare is giving you a gift escape. Or youre playing awful town while trying to redeem yourself.

Look how he talks.
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5tarscream posted...

SBell cant possibly be this obvious and scum. I actually think hes just playing poorly as town because hes trying too hard to make up for a bad game and hes being manipulated. Youre calling me out saying I havent done any scum hunting but all youve done is follow Scares lead.
What makes you think Pez and red are scum? If you think they are scum then why do you think Tom is null instead of town?
What do you think about Ulti trying to draw Corriks dayvig?

Coincidence?
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I mean killing the roleblocker left scum no choice but to kill IGCD as the confirmed tracker. If they didn't and he happened to actually pick scum then it was game over for them.

He knows there is no ninja.

It's equally obvious that puns was going to vote me

Well, yeah. So you were reading end of day and just had no input.

I'm assuming there is only one scum left.

Yes.

Puns started to set this up yesterday he half heartedly tried to defend Panth in the off chance that he came back. He removed his own vote from scum at -1,

As is standard practice. Literally what town is supposed to do. There was never a second where I entertained lynching anyone else.

he also warned Corrik off Panth later when he was again at -1

Literally no. Didn't happen. That was red.

in the off chance that Panth came back and did something special and he could switch the lynch to me.

What.

I feel like between Panth being really non commital and then being caught out on flavour he was a lock.

Cool! I voted him before the "flavour" was ever mentioned.

Puns also spent the day "interacting" with everyone.

You literally don't need the quotes. It's not a stretch of the truth or a hypothetical. It's literally what happened.

Which is to say sucking up to everyone because he needed them to follow him because if he gets caught today it's game over.

So rather than just try to lynch anyone other than my partner, I just bussed him *because* if I need people to follow me the NEXT day or else I lose.

Oh wait. It makes a thousand times more sense to just...lynch somebody else.

There is surely only 1 scum left.

It's weird then that you're using a hypothetical of red/puns scum team to press your case.

Puns will vote me, I will vote puns.
That leaves Zero, corrik and red to be the deciding vote.

Yeah...

If you think I literally bussed Panth in the final two

Pot. Meet kettle.

and on top of that caught the flavour lie,

Not even gonna touch this one.

if it was me and Panth wouldn't we just accuse each other and see who survived.

Why yes! Yes, I do think that.

Why would scum choose to have me survive over him?

Maybe you didn't realize, but town chose yesterday's lynch. Not scum.

Also I was the one that stayed on Tom and called him out after Pez cleared him because he changed his style.

You don't even realize I called Tom scum more consistently than anyone, do you.

Puns is getting his vote out early to try and spend the whole day going 5tar bussed Panth and stayed on Tom because reasons.

I honestly didn't even realize you attacked Tom.

It's a lie.
I'm Town Vanilla. No Way Jose.

Slip? kappa

You can either vote puns and end this. Or you can vote me and end it tomorrow by voting puns. The only obstacle remaining is wether or not puns AND red are scum but I doubt it.
Corrik Town Gladiator
MZero Town Miller
Red Town Vanilla
5tar Town Vanilla
Puns Scum Godfather.

Why do you assume scum has a godfather and not a ninja.

That's exactly what I mean about D1 reads not always being right, the more people interact the more your reads are likely to change. After arguing with SBell it seemed to me like it was classic town v town arguing because both players were mad at the other for being stupid and thinking how can you think I'm scum when I'm obviously town. The Tom thing was true, which if puns is to be believed means the least experienced player which is me, started bussing his scum teammates on the first day and has continued to do so for the whole game.
I never had reason to doubt you being roleblocked. Maybe Sultan told you that you'd been roleblocked even though you had a day power like you claimed.

pezloco posted...

Corrik7 posted...

pezloco posted...

htaeD posted...

Eaed was pretty inactive last game too.
5tar is new. (At least I presume so), and I dont think we should ever dayvig/gladiate a new guy anyway.

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I wouldnt want your role to target someone who I am not sure will even show up to claim either. Though its too early to judge that.

Corrik7 posted...

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

Nah, just seeing a person on the scum board doesn't negate thinking he might be new. I don't think Death is scum. But if he flips scum, I'm not ok with that immediately clearing 5tar.

He would have known his actual name on the scumboard.

Pez is interesting.

Seems to be hiding behind town shouldn't do these things comments over and over and over to appear to be town. While also ignoring things a lot (notice how he ignored all the scare contradiction talk?), while also trying to dispell obvious reads (death / star can't be scum together) with poor reasoning.

I want this guy to be town, but I think you should all be super weary of him. He would be a great scan choice.

I just read through all of 5tar's posts and I was about to do Scare next lol. I assume it'll take longer though. 5tar hadn't commented much in topic 1 so it was kind of a short read.

As for 5tar's posts. Not much content. Accused both SBell and Death of deflecting. Accused Death of sucking up. One thing I found interesting,

5tarscream posted...

Youre either scum trying hard to tunnel on somebody you know as town because Scare is giving you a gift escape. Or youre playing awful town while trying to redeem yourself.

5tarscream posted...

SBell cant possibly be this obvious and scum. I actually think hes just playing poorly as town because hes trying too hard to make up for a bad game and hes being manipulated. Youre calling me out saying I havent done any scum hunting but all youve done is follow Scares lead.
What makes you think Pez and red are scum? If you think they are scum then why do you think Tom is null instead of town?
What do you think about Ulti trying to draw Corriks dayvig?

So, I find this interesting because a common move by scum is to take a town person that has looked a little scummy or has simply had a lot of people call him scummy and then find a reason to declare him town. That reason generally doesn't have to have a lot of meat on the bone. But they can be confident of their read because they know who scum is.

If SBell flips town at some point in the future remember this.

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turbopuns3 posted...

I mean killing the roleblocker left scum no choice but to kill IGCD as the confirmed tracker. If they didn't and he happened to actually pick scum then it was game over for them.

He knows there is no ninja.

It's equally obvious that puns was going to vote me

Well, yeah. So you were reading end of day and just had no input.

I'm assuming there is only one scum left.

Yes.

Puns started to set this up yesterday he half heartedly tried to defend Panth in the off chance that he came back. He removed his own vote from scum at -1,

As is standard practice. Literally what town is supposed to do. There was never a second where I entertained lynching anyone else.

he also warned Corrik off Panth later when he was again at -1

Literally no. Didn't happen. That was red.

in the off chance that Panth came back and did something special and he could switch the lynch to me.

What.

I feel like between Panth being really non commital and then being caught out on flavour he was a lock.

Cool! I voted him before the "flavour" was ever mentioned.

Puns also spent the day "interacting" with everyone.

You literally don't need the quotes. It's not a stretch of the truth or a hypothetical. It's literally what happened.

Which is to say sucking up to everyone because he needed them to follow him because if he gets caught today it's game over.

So rather than just try to lynch anyone other than my partner, I just bussed him *because* if I need people to follow me the NEXT day or else I lose.

Oh wait. It makes a thousand times more sense to just...lynch somebody else.

There is surely only 1 scum left.

It's weird then that you're using a hypothetical of red/puns scum team to press your case.

Puns will vote me, I will vote puns.
That leaves Zero, corrik and red to be the deciding vote.

Yeah...

If you think I literally bussed Panth in the final two

Pot. Meet kettle.

and on top of that caught the flavour lie,

Not even gonna touch this one.

if it was me and Panth wouldn't we just accuse each other and see who survived.

Why yes! Yes, I do think that.

Why would scum choose to have me survive over him?

Maybe you didn't realize, but town chose yesterday's lynch. Not scum.

Also I was the one that stayed on Tom and called him out after Pez cleared him because he changed his style.

You don't even realize I called Tom scum more consistently than anyone, do you.

Puns is getting his vote out early to try and spend the whole day going 5tar bussed Panth and stayed on Tom because reasons.

I honestly didn't even realize you attacked Tom.

It's a lie.
I'm Town Vanilla. No Way Jose.

Slip? kappa

You can either vote puns and end this. Or you can vote me and end it tomorrow by voting puns. The only obstacle remaining is wether or not puns AND red are scum but I doubt it.
Corrik Town Gladiator
MZero Town Miller
Red Town Vanilla
5tar Town Vanilla
Puns Scum Godfather.

Why do you assume scum has a godfather and not a ninja.

Cuz they do.
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5tarscream posted...

Im heading to bed. I think Corrie should hold off on using the power. I still lean scum on death but Im way less sure than I was previously. Having taken a step back and trying to look at it impartially instead of youre targeting me because you know Im town. I still think Scares post is the most peculiar because the reasoning doesnt make sense to me. The accusation was that I was being too soft which I wasnt. I was explaining my reason for suspecting SBell and death was heavily influenced by their reactions to Corriks questioning. I feel that any experienced player that was town would know this isnt unusual for him and their reactions seemed panicked though death has said it was more annoyed or dismissive. First thing tomorrow Im going to go through all of Scares post and see what was happening at the time that made Scare feel the need to divert attention to me.
Im off to bed.

Scum had no reason to post this, especially in context.
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I thought we discussed this yesterday? I remember asking how often a game has no godfather and people said it's rare. If it was red that warned Corrik off then my bad I assumed it was you. You're still scum though. I also said that the likelihood of you being willing to go it alone is much more likely than it is for me to try. Out of the 2 of us who do you think would most likely choose to go head to head with the other? You think I started yesterday thinking oh I'll bus my teammate because I can totally take on puns head to head.

MZero11 posted...

And for the record, when Corrik asked me directly I said "don't use it today, but if you do pick Ulti over Death"

Super weird post btw
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Leafeon13N posted...

I have a reason i am going to keep to myself for now to think Corrik is town, but I like him less with me and ulti in his scumpile. That's potentially standard corrik misdirection.

Reason?
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