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PerfectChaosZ
05/15/19 8:50:36 PM
#252:


In the very first episode before the hot egg she goes into a boiling bath and is unharmed.
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Nanahara715
05/15/19 9:17:41 PM
#253:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
In the very first episode before the hot egg she goes into a boiling bath and is unharmed.

One thing I still dont understand and the show never addressed- how in the heck is Jon Snow legit and not just a bastard of a different color? Rhaegar was married to the Martel girl that Tywin had the Mountain kill and her children by him, just like Robert Baratheon wanted. Now the War of the Usurper didnt last years Im pretty sure. So at what point did Rhaegar have the opportunity to marry Lyanna? The only time that being a bastard matters is in the Faith of the Seven and Old God religions, and Im presuming he was a the Seven believer like all Targs were. The Seven would not acknowledge being married to two people and is super against polyamory. So Jon would still be a bastard in this case. Did he hear the Martel girl died and was like sweet my wife is dead time to marry Lyanna? In that case Jon Snow wouldnt have had time to be born because the war didnt last long enough. And Tywin only joined the war at the very end, after Rhaegar was dead. So whats the deal?


A septon annulled his marriage and then immediately married him to Lyanna.

This was like a big point in the last ten minutes of the Season 7 finale.
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PerfectChaosZ
05/15/19 9:31:35 PM
#254:


He actually got his marriage annulled first? What a jerk. Didnt remember that part at all. Did they actually say that? Poor Elia Martell. Youd think she would have told her family in that case and this wouldnt have been much of a secret, right? Because she didnt die til the end of the war and Rhaegar died somewhere around the middle-end.

Also what a terrible thing to do, name your new favorite son Aegon all over again while you still having a living son named Aegon. May as well named Jon Good Aegon. Is that the only Targaryen name the show creators knew?
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mnkboy907
05/15/19 9:44:37 PM
#255:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
He actually got his marriage annulled first? What a jerk. Didnt remember that part at all. Did they actually say that? Poor Elia Martell. Youd think she would have told her family in that case and this wouldnt have been much of a secret, right? Because she didnt die til the end of the war and Rhaegar died somewhere around the middle-end.

Also what a terrible thing to do, name your new favorite son Aegon all over again while you still having a living son named Aegon. May as well named Jon Good Aegon. Is that the only Targaryen name the show creators knew?

Have you met this family called the Freys?
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foolm0r0n
05/15/19 11:40:25 PM
#256:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
How many heroic liberators have you heard of being from a despotic line of rulers?

The Bushes/Clintons
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PerfectChaosZ
05/16/19 12:29:48 AM
#257:


Haha yeah but with the Freys it was like an entire running joke. I always imagined his real name would be Jaehaerys since you can kinda vaguely shorten it to Jon if you squint.
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Mewtwo59
05/16/19 12:34:07 AM
#258:


Did they ever mention the names of Elia's children in the show? If not, I could see them saying something like "Elia's son wasn't named Aegon."
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xp1337
05/16/19 4:51:54 AM
#259:


I think they did but I'm not sure.
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Obellisk
05/16/19 9:00:50 AM
#260:


https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

This is pretty insulting. You may disagree with what's been done and it may not be the best television but people still worked on this.
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TotallyNotMI
05/16/19 9:10:10 AM
#261:


I doubt Jon's name will be Aegon in the book. I think the writers just used that name since they cut out fAegon from the story.
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Nanahara715
05/16/19 10:10:17 AM
#262:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
He actually got his marriage annulled first? What a jerk. Didnt remember that part at all. Did they actually say that? Poor Elia Martell. Youd think she would have told her family in that case and this wouldnt have been much of a secret, right? Because she didnt die til the end of the war and Rhaegar died somewhere around the middle-end.

Also what a terrible thing to do, name your new favorite son Aegon all over again while you still having a living son named Aegon. May as well named Jon Good Aegon. Is that the only Targaryen name the show creators knew?


Doubt she knew.

Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna. He had his marriage annulled and then married Lyanna in a secret ceremony.

She got preggo.

He left her in Dorne and met his forces at The Trident, where he fell to Robert Baratheon in combat.

This was the penultimate scene in Season 7, how did you possibly miss this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnp5DuSIMhc" data-time="
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htaeD
05/16/19 10:14:28 AM
#263:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Did they ever mention the names of Elia's children in the show? If not, I could see them saying something like "Elia's son wasn't named Aegon."


Thoros mentioned both children by name in season3
No mentions afterwards tho
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ShatteredElysium
05/16/19 11:25:30 AM
#264:


There's rumors doing the rounds that Jaime isn't actually dead. Basis for the rumours are this

On social media everyone thanked actors/actresses and said bye to the characters and the such. Not just fans, I mean colleagues from the show. Apparently everyone did that for all the people who died in episode 5 but nobody did it for Jaime. And Jaime's actor apparently didn't acknowledge his own character dying either but did for others who died. Also a reporter who did interviews of the people who died in episode 5 did everyone but Jaime and when asked about Jaime's replied "Holding that one for a bit..."

I mean I think it's incredibly unlikely but figured I'd post it anyway

Edit: Also theres an old article from last year where someone says "There are characters in the finale that I did not expect." but won't elaborate on it now until after the final episode. Could just be some of the old fringe actors being involved I guess like Robin Arryn or something

Could also be Arya using his face I guess and that's why he was present but not sure why she would need to do that at this point
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PerfectChaosZ
05/16/19 11:56:13 AM
#265:


Well I saw that they got married and had Jon obviously but I didnt recall them saying the previous marriage was annulled. Septons dont tend to like to do that sort of thing, even for a prince. Ive seen the early seasons a million times but I only watched the sixth and seventh season episodes once each.

Wow he could have totally saved Elias life. Its still cheating on her even if he got the marriage annulled since she didnt know. How can you have something annulled without the consent or even knowledge of one of the only two people involved. Pretty messed up. Why the secrecy? If they were gonna marry and werent just planning an affair theres no reason to not just say, its not like people wouldnt find out, its like Rhaegar knew hed never have to worry.

Now I want to see an AU where Rhaegar has to explain himself. Which kid will inherent? Your first son or your new son? Both named Aegon? I want to see the wars fought over that.
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Nanahara715
05/16/19 12:00:47 PM
#266:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
Well I saw that they got married and had Jon obviously but I didnt recall them saying the previous marriage was annulled. Septons dont tend to like to do that sort of thing, even for a prince. Ive seen the early seasons a million times but I only watched the sixth and seventh season episodes once each.

Wow he could have totally saved Elias life. Its still cheating on her even if he got the marriage annulled since she didnt know. How can you have something annulled without the consent or even knowledge of one of the only two people involved. Pretty messed up. Why the secrecy? If they were gonna marry and werent just planning an affair theres no reason to not just say, its not like people wouldnt find out, its like Rhaegar knew hed never have to worry.

Now I want to see an AU where Rhaegar has to explain himself. Which kid will inherent? Your first son or your new son? Both named Aegon? I want to see the wars fought over that.


The new son (Jon Snow). The annulment means the first marriage was never legal, so based on Westerosi law, the children Rhaegar had with Elia are bastards.
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PerfectChaosZ
05/16/19 12:03:33 PM
#267:


Whoa, I didnt know it made them bastards, I figured just further back in succession. He could have easily saved those lives. That makes him an even bigger jerk for naming Jon Aegon, but it does make slightly more sense to reuse the name now.
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Mewtwo59
05/16/19 12:03:47 PM
#268:


In the books, Rhaegar had an obsession with "the dragon must have three heads." Elia wasn't healthy enough to have a third child, so that's why Rhaegar did what he did.
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PerfectChaosZ
05/16/19 12:12:56 PM
#269:


Thanks for all of your information you guys.

Meaning the dragons that Dany eventually had? I dont know why the dragon must because two of them died and it didnt end up mattering much. The Night King was just straight up immune to dragon fire which surprised me a lot, as I thought that was what the dragons were for all among. I wonder why he thought it meant his kids. In typical fantasy most characters usually just dismiss prophecy and it screws them over but in this setting the characters listen to prophecy too much and it screws them over and never really ends up panning out.
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mnkboy907
05/16/19 12:31:45 PM
#270:


Westeros was conquered by three Targaryen siblings. The idea of wanting three children is probably just symbolically based on that.
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SeabassDebeste
05/16/19 12:32:22 PM
#271:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
Thanks for all of your information you guys.

Meaning the dragons that Dany eventually had? I dont know why the dragon must because two of them died and it didnt end up mattering much. The Night King was just straight up immune to dragon fire which surprised me a lot, as I thought that was what the dragons were for all among. I wonder why he thought it meant his kids. In typical fantasy most characters usually just dismiss prophecy and it screws them over but in this setting the characters listen to prophecy too much and it screws them over and never really ends up panning out.

that prophecy is book-only, and the books haven't reached even the end of season 6.

popular fan theory is that the dragon's three heads were thought by rhaegar to be rhaenys, aegon, and jon (his 3 kids) - and that in order to have the third head (jon) he needed to get with lyanna, as elia could no longer bear kids

fan speculation for the actual 3 heads includes dany, jon, and tyrion
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mnkboy907
05/16/19 12:33:15 PM
#272:


Oh or I guess there was an actual prophecy about something.
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SeabassDebeste
05/16/19 12:36:58 PM
#273:


mnkboy907 posted...
Oh or I guess there was an actual prophecy about something.

rhaegar says "the dragon must have three heads" in a vision of dany's in the house of the undying
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Nanahara715
05/16/19 12:43:27 PM
#274:


Inb4 the dragons end up being Arya, Sansa, and Bran.
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foolm0r0n
05/16/19 1:03:46 PM
#275:


Bran wargs the dragon to help Arya kill Dany and can't unwarg so now he's just a dragon stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life
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v_charon
05/16/19 2:10:55 PM
#276:


The prophecies are all basically worthless people
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Nrrr
05/16/19 2:25:21 PM
#277:


There isn't a single prophecy that seems unlikely to come true in the books. The showrunners just hate all of the supernatural elements and only care about rushing through the rest of the story and doing it the way they want it to happen.
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TotallyNotMI
05/16/19 4:03:05 PM
#278:


I assume the show cut valonquar (sp?) from Cersei's prophecy? Or maybe The Red Keep has a big sibling out there somewhere. The Redder Keep.
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xp1337
05/16/19 4:06:17 PM
#279:


TotallyNotMI posted...
Or maybe The Red Keep has a big sibling out there somewhere. The Redder Keep.

the infrared keep
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Leafeon13N
05/16/19 4:19:52 PM
#280:


v_charon posted...
The prophecies are all basically worthless people


The prophecy still happened i believe.
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pxlated
05/16/19 7:03:18 PM
#281:


berserk spoilers

RLxkJoe
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Samurai7
05/16/19 9:00:21 PM
#282:


@PerfectChaosZ

If you really want to know what was happening during Robert's rebellion and why everyone did what they did this is a great series to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=679qdryoYBQ&list=PLVTclEEyY1SKQjULdfHKr7zB6Mi67Nh40
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Xiahou Shake
05/16/19 9:17:14 PM
#283:


pxlated posted...
berserk spoilers

RLxkJoe

This is amazing, rofl
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Pokewars
05/16/19 10:32:24 PM
#284:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g3XeZ-A6GE" data-time="


Just a reminder that JR commentary makes everything better.
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Nanis23
05/17/19 6:22:15 AM
#285:


I have a feeling that the last episode is going to be anti-voted to hell and back and is going to be the lowest rated episode in the show
The sad thing is, no matter what happens in the episode, this is what will happen
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HanOfTheNekos
05/17/19 10:34:06 AM
#286:


So, since Bran warged to Hodor in the past and made him get mentally damaged, does that mean we can insinuate when Bran had his "burn them all!" vision, it was him actually causing Dany to go that route?
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PerfectChaosZ
05/17/19 11:29:53 AM
#287:


Samurai7 posted...
@PerfectChaosZ

If you really want to know what was happening during Robert's rebellion and why everyone did what they did this is a great series to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=679qdryoYBQ&list=PLVTclEEyY1SKQjULdfHKr7zB6Mi67Nh40


Hey thanks Ill check that out.
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Nanis23
05/17/19 11:55:30 AM
#289:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
So, since Bran warged to Hodor in the past and made him get mentally damaged, does that mean we can insinuate when Bran had his "burn them all!" vision, it was him actually causing Dany to go that route?

Why would he
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neonreaper
05/17/19 1:22:21 PM
#290:


I'm looking forward to the finale, I kind of don't care how it ends and almost any result will satisfy me.

Yeah I've had to do some of the legwork for the writers/directors the past 2-3 seasons, but I've made my peace with it.

I'm assuming Bronn saves Tyrion or something. I feel like it would be very GoT for Tyrion to end up on the throne and Bronn as like his Hand or maybe he does get Highgarden.

I'm sure the ending will disappoint many - they have been on a certain course that they can't really fix.
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Nanahara715
05/17/19 1:32:38 PM
#291:


Nanis23 posted...
I have a feeling that the last episode is going to be anti-voted to hell and back and is going to be the lowest rated episode in the show
The sad thing is, no matter what happens in the episode, this is what will happen


It will be the lowest rated yet highest watched GoT episode of all time.
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Nrrr
05/17/19 2:11:11 PM
#292:


I mean, yeah? In general the larger the audience, the more people are watching who dislike, used to like, feel tepid about the show, or otherwise are only interested in watching for pop culture/water cooler talk reasons. The smaller the audience, the more likely to just be diehard fans or those generally pleased with the show every week.
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PerfectChaosZ
05/17/19 2:32:58 PM
#293:


The way its going its not what everyone hyped it to be because how it could be. But it is far far far and away from being the worst ending of a beloved show. Itll likely be an average ending that I can hopefully at least defend.
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Xiahou Shake
05/17/19 5:17:53 PM
#294:


https://entertainment.theonion.com/game-of-thrones-showrunners-disappointed-with-how-qua-1834843021
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SeabassDebeste
05/17/19 5:33:49 PM
#295:


Xiahou Shake posted...
https://entertainment.theonion.com/game-of-thrones-showrunners-disappointed-with-how-qua-1834843021

i love the onion
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/17/19 6:33:37 PM
#296:


neonreaper posted...
Yeah I've had to do some of the legwork for the writers/directors the past 2-3 seasons, but I've made my peace with it.


I feel the same way. I honestly don't think the writing has gotten any worse since S5, but there was still plenty of book material to distract from it. Dorne and Littlefinger selling out Sansa to Ramsay are still the low points of the show imo and I got over it then. The pacing has absolutely gone to shit though which causes more issues. The other weaknesses have been there for a while.

I am really dreading the wider audience reaction to the ending this Sunday but more than that I'm dreading that audience reactions aren't gonna stop for YEARS. I'm expecting worse than how TLJ was (and still is!).
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mnkboy907
05/17/19 6:58:42 PM
#297:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
but more than that I'm dreading that audience reactions aren't gonna stop for YEARS

something something Lost unanswered questions
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Nanis23
05/17/19 6:59:03 PM
#298:


Worst writing is still "Killing Littlefinger because Bran hacks" to me, nothing will top this
Littlefinger deserved so much better than that
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KamikazePotato
05/17/19 7:00:27 PM
#299:


Beyond The Wall is easily the dumbest episode in the series by a wide margin. It's like a nonsensical fever dream.
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/17/19 7:04:03 PM
#300:


Nanis23 posted...
Worst writing is still "Killing Littlefinger because Bran hacks" to me, nothing will top this
Littlefinger deserved so much better than that


He honestly didn't, Littlefinger revealed how stupid he actually was when he thought marrying Sansa to Ramsay was a good idea. I can buy him disrespecting Bran's mystic bullshit but he's supposed to be GOOD at political bullshit and that was Ned tier naivete.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/17/19 9:38:06 PM
#301:


KamikazePotato posted...
Beyond The Wall is easily the dumbest episode in the series by a wide margin. It's like a nonsensical fever dream.

Was that the one where Dany rides her dragon 1000 miles in one day to save Jon in the middle of the tundra at the exact moment he's about to die?

Because yes, I agree that this was probably a dumber turn of events than anything in season 8 somehow.
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Suprak the Stud
05/17/19 9:43:58 PM
#302:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Beyond The Wall is easily the dumbest episode in the series by a wide margin. It's like a nonsensical fever dream.

Was that the one where Dany rides her dragon 1000 miles in one day to save Jon in the middle of the tundra at the exact moment he's about to die?

Because yes, I agree that this was probably a dumber turn of events than anything in season 8 somehow.


And all likely because of how badly they butchered (book theory) Eurons character
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