Current Events > "Moderates" who attack liberals at every given opportunity but leave

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Dark_Spiret posted...

typically you know what youre getting with a republican. theres not a huge amount of variation there and they tend to be so holdem to their ideals that they will put a gun to your head. the chance of core violence tends to be heightened on the right.

however democrats are not above that level of thinking, they just tend to have different methods of getting there. violence usually tends to be replaced with chastising, ridiculing and going after the means of how you may live your life (your job, your bank, credit card holders, youtube, patreon, paypal ect.). they may not put a gun to your head, but will gladly poke you with a needle a million times until you bleed out. this is all made worse by just how many different groups are on the left which means more rules and more ways of making you think how you should act. theres just a higher level of daunting bullshit on the left that you dont really get on the right.

this reads like something you'd find on r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRIST

In this moment, I am moderate

someone finish the rest, I'm about to pass out
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ThyCorndog posted...

conservatives alone for the most part except they may do a hot take and say trump is stupid too

are they really moderates and why are there so many of them

[neo]liberals/democrats, despite being traditionally open-minded, grew so adamantly self-righteous that they refused to question or debate anything they believed or advocated

meanwhile, the massive leftward overton window shift of 2011-2016 has made moderates look conservative by comparison

following the bush era, neocons left conservatism in smoldering ruin, and during the obama years conservatives were really trying to figure themselves out again - which entailed an increasing amount of lowkey engagement with (and criticism by) moderates, rightist elements, and even some leftist elements

so basically, there's quite a bit of mutual understanding between all those groups - moderates, conservatives, leftists - and if you read their critiques of the [neo]liberal zeitgeist in the wake of the '16 election, they all had a far more intimate understanding of the state of affairs than [neo]liberals/democrats, whose broadsiding came as a total shock

unfortunately it seems many moderates have had a bit of a marriage of convenience with the younger neocons since they both hate trump - neocons because he's philosophically at odds with them, moderates because it's trendy i presume - meaning we run the risk of another bush-style republican in the future, which literally nobody outside the beltway ****ing wants

tl;dr: moderates spent years criticizing conservatives, but gave a blind eye to liberals, who they've more recently been taking on in the hopes of bringing them back to earth
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CrimsonRage posted...

>topic about some antifa/communists doing crap
"man commies suck!" (no mention of nazis)

Should we say water is wet too, since we now have to always state the obvious.
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Moderates are generally people that know jack shit, which fits in a lot better with conservative ideology where they don't have standards as long as you'll vote for them and they have a couple bucks they can shake you down for
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Thank god hogrider chimes in with his usual bullshit
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RiderofHogs posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

>topic about some antifa/communists doing crap
"man commies suck!" (no mention of nazis)

Should we say water is wet too, since we now have to always state the obvious.

Weird how water being wet doesn't also apply to the other example you chose to omit.
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CrimsonRage posted...

my "favourite" moderate post:

>topic about some recent alt-right/nazis doing crap
"nazis suck but communists are bad too!

>topic about some antifa/communists doing crap
"man commies suck!" (no mention of nazis)

there are far more communists than nazis in this country

when nazis rallied in significant numbers and created trouble in '17, the next right-ish rally that was so little as misidentified as a nazi rally by the media had a counter-protest numbering in the tens of thousands

so it goes without saying that nobody likes nazis, and everyone is prepared to stamp them out at the drop of a hat - and rightfully so

but we're far too comfortable as a society with the prevalence of open communists, and the pervasiveness of communistic talking points in mainstream political discourse - they're not racist like nazis, but they're just as deadly when in power

mind you, we're probably not going to see a bolshevik-style revolution, but the creep of growing state power/reach and growing executive authority in conjunction with the leftward shift of the overton window should be just a little bit alarming
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I'm a leftist who attacks liberals at every turn #sorrynotsorry
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CrimsonRage posted...

there aren't that many actual communists. a lot of the people accused of being communists are people who have some socialist or socialist-lite ideas. and contrary to right-wing propaganda socialism is not the same as communism.

very few card carrying communists

far less ansyns, who in my book offer the only hypothetical path to some semblance of stateless communism and doesn't end in marxist-leninist ****ery

but there are a hell of a lot of totally not communist socialists that would like to see all wealth and capital redistributed by a government "by the people, for the people" and which silences dissension considered harmful to society

which sounds a hell of a lot like communism (edit: or state communism, anyway)

if i may offer a parallel: a lot of the alt-right might not claim to be nazis, but guess what they are
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TheMikh posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

there aren't that many actual communists. a lot of the people accused of being communists are people who have some socialist or socialist-lite ideas. and contrary to right-wing propaganda socialism is not the same as communism.

very few card carrying communists

far less ansyns, who in my book offer the only hypothetical path to some semblance of stateless communism and doesn't end in marxist-leninist ****ery

but there are a hell of a lot of totally not communist socialists that would like to see all wealth and capital redistributed by a government "by the people, for the people" and which silences dissension considered harmful to society

which sounds a hell of a lot like communism (edit: or state communism, anyway)

if i may offer a parallel: a lot of the alt-right might not claim to be nazis, but guess what they are

so if you think alt right are a good equivalent then there are a lot more nazis than commies in the us.

including the president of the usa

CrimsonRage posted...

socialism is not the same as communism.

Mr Pibb and Dr Pepper.
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AutumnBlaze posted...

Moderates are adults that know that to live life, one must compromise.

They tend to bash more liberals because liberals are often much more annoying and out of touch with reality.

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so if you think alt right are a good equivalent then there are a lot more nazis than commies in the us.

including the president of the usa

https://imgur.com/aqCX5nD
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TheMikh posted...

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so if you think alt right are a good equivalent then there are a lot more nazis than commies in the us.

including the president of the usa

https://imgur.com/aqCX5nD

I disagree with said chart

Cornmuffins posted...

TommyG663513 posted...

So was this topic just made for Coffebeanz?

Maybe if you have difficulty reading ya

Relax yo. Coffebeanz was one of the most prominent "I'm not a Trump supporter, but...." we've had on these boards. I get hat you're attempting to categorize large groups of people, but my comment was directed at the fact that she fits your general description pretty well.
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people who fit the description always try to include extra people with them. they'll be like "see what they're saying about us!?"
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TommyG663513 posted...

but my comment was directed at the fact that she fits your general description pretty well.

that guy didn't make the topic though. and no I wasn't directing this at any particular poster
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Liberal: "Taxes should be more progressive"

Conservative: "Taxes should be less progressive"

Moderate: "Compromise! Abolish all taxes except a flat sales tax!"
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They're really just conservatives that don't want to be identified as such so they claim to be "centrists" and "moderates". These same people hold a majority of opinions that are hard right

the best is when their only response to being called out for being closet conservatives is something along the lines of "haha sjws just wanna label everyone right of them as conservative" and then never actually give us any of their moderate policy positions that make them moderate
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SJWs are the cultural establishment now in corporate America. Years ago a guy like The Amazing Atheist spent most of his time ripping on conservatives because in the environment he grew up in, they were the establishment.
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tennisdude818 posted...

SJWs are the cultural establishment now in corporate America. Years ago a guy like The Amazing Atheist spent most of his time ripping on conservatives because in the environment he grew up in, they were the establishment.

Ignorantly attacking "the establishment" simply for being an establishment is pretty silly though. A lot of "anti establishment" types have no idea how nutty they sound with they attack with blanket terms with no real elaboration.
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Thunder_Dogg posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

SJWs are the cultural establishment now in corporate America. Years ago a guy like The Amazing Atheist spent most of his time ripping on conservatives because in the environment he grew up in, they were the establishment.

Ignorantly attacking "the establishment" simply for being an establishment is pretty silly though. A lot of "anti establishment" types have no idea how nutty they sound with they attack with blanket terms with no real elaboration.

I mean its more worthwhile to talk about kooky SJWs in 2018 when thats the cultural norm than kooky evangelicals. In 1950 the opposite was true.
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Thunder_Dogg posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

SJWs are the cultural establishment now in corporate America. Years ago a guy like The Amazing Atheist spent most of his time ripping on conservatives because in the environment he grew up in, they were the establishment.

Ignorantly attacking "the establishment" simply for being an establishment is pretty silly though. A lot of "anti establishment" types have no idea how nutty they sound with they attack with blanket terms with no real elaboration.

Family Guy even had an entire episode about it. Imagine being literally Brian Griffin.
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If you're talking about on CE it kinda makes sense since there are a lot more wackos who are far left than wackos who are far right on here.
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CasualGuy posted...

If you're talking about on CE it kinda makes sense since there are a lot more wackos who are far left than wackos who are far right on here.

based on what numbers?

you guys only feel that way because you're more complicit with the "old way."
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tennisdude818 posted...

SJWs are the cultural establishment now in corporate America.

Wait...what?
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

CasualGuy posted...

If you're talking about on CE it kinda makes sense since there are a lot more wackos who are far left than wackos who are far right on here.

based on what numbers?

you guys only feel that way because you're more complicit with the "old way."

I'm not sure what you're talking about but it's just based on my personal experience. Been coming here since like 05/06. Always been way more far left wackos than far right wackos. I mean every time some new user posts far right crap like 25 people come in to accuse him of being 1 of like 5 different users. The far right wackos here are just loud, there aren't that many of them.
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TheMikh posted...

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so if you think alt right are a good equivalent then there are a lot more nazis than commies in the us.

including the president of the usa

https://imgur.com/aqCX5nD

I disagree with said chart

doesn't mean it's wrong
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ZeldaMutant posted...

Liberal: "Taxes should be more progressive"

Conservative: "Taxes should be less progressive"

Moderate: "Compromise! Abolish all taxes except a flat sales tax!"

liberals: a lot more taxes on the rich
moderates: a little more taxes on the rich
conservatives: less taxes on the rich
neolibertarians: abolish all taxes except a flat sales tax
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TheMikh posted...

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TheMikh posted...

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so if you think alt right are a good equivalent then there are a lot more nazis than commies in the us.

including the president of the usa

https://imgur.com/aqCX5nD

I disagree with said chart

doesn't mean it's wrong

you are correct, it's not wrong because he disagrees with it. it is a bad chart no matter who disagrees with it

BeantownHero posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

SJWs are the cultural establishment now in corporate America.

Wait...what?

Thats how they virtue signal. And its clearly the norm in the corporate mainstream media.
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Conservatives tend to get shit on enough, and everybody and their mother has heard the same counters because conservative beliefs are...well, conserved. They don't change much. Whereas with liberals you've got a new flavor of the month complaint about something.

So you can have an "argumentative" alignment and an alignment that more accurately reflects your ideals when you vote. These people would align more center-right in argument but when it comes to voting they're much closer to center.

CasualGuy posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

CasualGuy posted...

If you're talking about on CE it kinda makes sense since there are a lot more wackos who are far left than wackos who are far right on here.

based on what numbers?

you guys only feel that way because you're more complicit with the "old way."

I'm not sure what you're talking about but it's just based on my personal experience. Been coming here since like 05/06. Always been way more far left wackos than far right wackos. I mean every time some new user posts far right crap like 25 people come in to accuse him of being 1 of like 5 different users. The far right wackos here are just loud, there aren't that many of them.

CE is made up of a lot of types. some originally came from the War on Terror board from back in the day. the culture here isn't the same, but to call it more Left leaning now just because there's been a crackdown on the blatant Right wing ignorance is a sign that many have simply been complicit.

the "it wasn't a problem until they complained about it" culture is strong on the Right. there is silliness on both sides, but there is nuance to that.
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PowerfulSageIRL posted...

TheMikh posted...

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TheMikh posted...

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so if you think alt right are a good equivalent then there are a lot more nazis than commies in the us.

including the president of the usa

https://imgur.com/aqCX5nD

I disagree with said chart

doesn't mean it's wrong

you are correct, it's not wrong because he disagrees with it. it is a bad chart no matter who disagrees with it

you're both absolutely welcome to critique it, but it reflects patterns derived from both my observation and engagement with the right over the past several years to gauge what they actually believe along the two dimensions, in opposition to erecting strawmen
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

but to call it more Left leaning now just because there's been a crackdown on the blatant Right wing ignorance

that's not what I said.
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CasualGuy posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

but to call it more Left leaning now just because there's been a crackdown on the blatant Right wing ignorance

that's not what I said.

then what are you saying? please elaborate because I have no idea what you're basing this off of but a biased "observation."
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ThyCorndog posted...

the best is when their only response to being called out for being closet conservatives is something along the lines of "haha sjws just wanna label everyone right of them as conservative" and then never actually give us any of their moderate policy positions that make them moderate

a few years back when i still fell on the left-libertarian quadrant of the political compass, and a proponent of social justice within reason, someone on this very board called my black ass a nazi for suggesting that perhaps white folk were being a little unfairly demonized for social ills

i spoke to several democrats whose opinions i held in high esteem about my concerns with our wars of regime change in libya and syria and their responses were identical to neocon justification for the war in iraq

when moderates say their party left them behind, they are absolutely correct
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Tbf, a lot of liberals will not claim you if you arent liberal enough like if youre not down for the cause then you arent liberal.

In SF, they literally said that Scott Weiner isnt liberal enough to represent SF in Senate because he didnt agree with terrible laws that were passed in SF (ie allowing homeless to shit on sidewalks etc.).

Also, the reason liberals are getting so much flack recently is because they are the ones in the spotlight right now.
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Axiom posted...

They're really just conservatives that don't want to be identified as such so they claim to be "centrists" and "moderates". These same people hold a majority of opinions that are hard right

out of curiosity, what are hard right positions in your book
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it's mostly the "socially Right" getting the harshest criticism from the Left.
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TheMikh posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

the best is when their only response to being called out for being closet conservatives is something along the lines of "haha sjws just wanna label everyone right of them as conservative" and then never actually give us any of their moderate policy positions that make them moderate

a few years back when i still fell on the left-libertarian quadrant of the political compass, and a proponent of social justice within reason, someone on this very board called my black ass a nazi for suggesting that perhaps white folk were being a little unfairly demonized for social ills

i spoke to several democrats whose opinions i held in high esteem about my concerns with our wars of regime change in libya and syria and their responses were identical to neocon justification for the war in iraq

when moderates say their party left them behind, they are absolutely correct

that's a weird take imo cause "moderates" want democrats to keep being neoliberals and not go further left. moderates seem to like neoliberals more than social democrats/etc
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TheMikh posted...

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TheMikh posted...

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so if you think alt right are a good equivalent then there are a lot more nazis than commies in the us.

including the president of the usa

https://imgur.com/aqCX5nD

I disagree with said chart

doesn't mean it's wrong

and doesnt mean its right either.

trump is fairly white ethnonationalist. maybe not full david duke, but close enough considering hes the potus

Tmaster148 posted...

You're just a conservative who doesn't want the negative connotations that come with it.

They also call themselves "centrists".
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are you too Left for the Right, too Right for the Left and too nuanced for Centrist? congratulations.. you're probably a critical thinker.
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Look at the number of pro-Trump topics or on news.
Now look at all the anti-Trump topics or on the news.

The difference is like how much Trump wants for the wall and how much Democrats are willing to give him. That is also why you hardly see any moderate dissing Trump. It is because the pro-Trump topics are essentially nomexistent.
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