Current Events > "Moderates" who attack liberals at every given opportunity but leave

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ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

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ThyCorndog posted...

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal

Exactly. The best of both worlds. Thats why they are the smartest and best group

but that's only like 10% of any moderates i've ever seen. the rest are just conservatives that seem embarassed to call themselves that

Thats ancedotal at best

are you a moderate? if so, can you list your policy positions that would show that you're moderate?

would be great if you did the same.
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quick, someone give us a list of issues
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here squirtle provided us with a list of issues

_Squirtle_ posted...

What topics are you all counting as major ones? Weed, guns, gay rights, abortion, immigration, healthcare, foreign policy.

i'll post mine in a min
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ThyCorndog posted...

quick, someone give us a list of issues

or you could simply list your own reasoning for thinking you're a moderate.

moderates are seen as lazy for reasons like this.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

or you could simply list your own reasoning for thinking you're a moderate.

wtf dude. I am not a moderate. I'm firmly on the left
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Weed, guns, gay rights, abortion, immigration, healthcare, foreign policy.

Dont legalize weed but maybe lessen jail time a little

Guns are cool

I dont have an issue with the gays. To each their own.

Anti abortion

Immigration needs reform. We do need border security but the process we cutrently use seems silly

I am all for UHC but shouldn't be fined for not getting it

We are a global community in 2018.
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ThyCorndog posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

or you could simply list your own reasoning for thinking you're a moderate.

wtf dude. I am not a moderate. I'm firmly on the left

at some point I mixed your post with the 5 karma guy in one of those chains.
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REEEEEeeeee (>_<
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Weed: should be legalized, taxed and regulated (hot take)

Guns: are fine. imo a culture of violence and a lack of understanding towards mental illness are the main issues behind mass shootings

Gay Rights: non issue and I don't understand why it still is one. they're people like anyone else and should be treated and given the same rights as everyone else. I don't care if your religion prevents you from blah blah. too bad. we live in a secular society

Abortion: should be legal until the baby is viable outside of the mother (up to third trimester or whatever. I'm not a doctor or woman but you get what i'm saying)

Immigration: I think anyone should be able to immigrate, but it should be done legally and with a process that's fair to everyone involved (other potential immigrants, previous immigrants and other citizens). the wall is stupid

Healthcare: we should have universal healthcare and it should be covered by taxes

Foreign Policy: we should promote peace and cooperation between all nations and avoid conflict unless it's an absolute last resort. I think the hostility we have towards countries like venezuela and iran is stupid. towards russia it's a little different because they've invaded georgia and ukraine and that sort of thing shouldn't be tolerated, so sanctions are justified. the sovereignty of other nations should be respected and we can't tread on others for our own interests
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Conservatives do a good enough job of being obviously stupid and hypocritical. They don't need help. Simply putting a camera on them is more effective than actually criticizing them.

Liberals have the benefit of an equally hypocritical media unwilling (and lacking the self awareness) to criticize themselves.
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DarkRoast posted...

Conservatives do a good enough job of being obviously stupid and hypocritical. They don't need help. Simply putting a camera on them is more effective than actually criticizing them.

Liberals have the benefit of an equally hypocritical media unwilling (and lacking the self awareness) to criticize themselves.

You missed the "obviously stupid" part on the second point. Case in point, go look at that triggered vape video. Really both sides have A LOT in common. The only real difference betwee. An D and an R is a pair of lines
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0 of those issues actually define whether someone leans right or left though

PowerfulSageIRL posted...

0 of those issues actually define whether someone leans right or left though

this is what I was thinking especially since these issues are nuanced and when specific scenarios play out your answer slightly changes
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Josh isn't a moderate, he's an ass who had over 30 accounts banned on the politics board because he pretended to be a woman. He also used to pretend to be a doctor from KC
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The specific conservative views you have and their severity matters too. If you like weed, don't want to ban gay marriage, and wouldn't mind higher taxes on the rich, that doesn't outweigh you supporting a muslim ban or a ban on immigration or supporting racial profiling/militarized policing/mass incarceration. That's the type of thing I see a lot here and elsewhere and people act surprised when told those views are incompatible with liberal/progressive/leftist values.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Josh isn't a moderate, he's an ass who had over 30 accounts banned on the politics board because he pretended to be a woman. He also used to pretend to be a doctor from KC

That simply isnt true. I see the best in both sides. The liberals are bad with the economy historically while the conservatives are great with it. Conservatives struggle with social progress where liberals dont even if they do go too far sometimes. We really should be using duel presidents: one republican and one democrat. That would maximize utility in our country
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The biggest thing is that Conservatives are a lot more used to being the butt of jokes than liberals. Because of this, liberals seem to respond a lot more strongly to criticism.
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AutumnBlaze posted...

Moderates are adults that know that to live life, one must compromise.

They tend to bash more liberals because liberals are often much more annoying and out of touch with reality.

I'm an actual moderate. Conservatives are objectively more annoying and indisputably more out of touch with reality. Like, no fucking contest.
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_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Josh isn't a moderate, he's an ass who had over 30 accounts banned on the politics board because he pretended to be a woman. He also used to pretend to be a doctor from KC

That simply isnt true. I see the best in both sides. The liberals are bad with the economy historically while the conservatives are great with it. Conservatives struggle with social progress where liberals dont even if they do go too far sometimes. We really should be using duel presidents: one republican and one democrat. That would maximize utility in our country

It's entirely true, or are you denying you had 30 boxxy accounts banned in, like, a 4 month span. Or that you used to pretend to be a big time doctor in KC while trolling the NFLB? Don't run from your past bro
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DarkRoast posted...

The biggest thing is that Conservatives are a lot more used to being the butt of jokes than liberals. Because of this, liberals seem to respond a lot more strongly to criticism.

Lmao maybe like 5 years ago. Or do you not recongize jokes about "SJWs/SoyBoys/Cucks/NPCS" as the most prevalent thing in social media and the butt of jokes at liberals?
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

The biggest thing is that Conservatives are a lot more used to being the butt of jokes than liberals. Because of this, liberals seem to respond a lot more strongly to criticism.

Lmao maybe like 5 years ago. Or do you not recongize jokes about "SJWs/SoyBoys/Cucks/NPCS" as the most prevalent thing in social media and the butt of jokes at liberals?

I guess that's true. It's been longer than I realized.
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DarkRoast posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

The biggest thing is that Conservatives are a lot more used to being the butt of jokes than liberals. Because of this, liberals seem to respond a lot more strongly to criticism.

Lmao maybe like 5 years ago. Or do you not recongize jokes about "SJWs/SoyBoys/Cucks/NPCS" as the most prevalent thing in social media and the butt of jokes at liberals?

I guess that's true. It's been longer than I realized.

The Ferguson Riots, for example, were over 4 years ago. Treyvon was far earlier. This idea that "Muh poor picked on and bullied Conservatives" hasn't been a fucking thing for over half a decade now.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

The biggest thing is that Conservatives are a lot more used to being the butt of jokes than liberals. Because of this, liberals seem to respond a lot more strongly to criticism.

Lmao maybe like 5 years ago. Or do you not recongize jokes about "SJWs/SoyBoys/Cucks/NPCS" as the most prevalent thing in social media and the butt of jokes at liberals?

I guess that's true. It's been longer than I realized.

The Ferguson Riots, for example, were over 4 years ago. Treyvon was far earlier. This idea that "Muh poor picked on and bullied Conservatives" hasn't been a fucking thing for over half a decade now.

To be fair, we go by stereotypes. Conservatives tend to be alphas. Its no suprise they Dont get picked on
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ThyCorndog posted...

PowerfulSageIRL posted...

0 of those issues actually define whether someone leans right or left though

this is what I was thinking especially since these issues are nuanced and when specific scenarios play out your answer slightly changes

the right/left issue is one of economics; specifically one of private property (i.e. things people can own which passively make them money).

the most fundamental question imo is more like "do you support the rights of private property owners to passively make money through the exploitation of basic human needs?"

if No, you are on the left. if Yes, you are on the right.

from there, if you're on the right, we can ask further questions, such as "which services, if any, should be provided free of charge by the state?" to ascertain how far on the right they are. questions about minimum wage and wealth redistribution are also relevant here.

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

The biggest thing is that Conservatives are a lot more used to being the butt of jokes than liberals. Because of this, liberals seem to respond a lot more strongly to criticism.

Lmao maybe like 5 years ago. Or do you not recongize jokes about "SJWs/SoyBoys/Cucks/NPCS" as the most prevalent thing in social media and the butt of jokes at liberals?

I guess that's true. It's been longer than I realized.

The Ferguson Riots, for example, were over 4 years ago. Treyvon was far earlier. This idea that "Muh poor picked on and bullied Conservatives" hasn't been a fucking thing for over half a decade now.

To be fair, we go by stereotypes. Conservatives tend to be alphas. Its no suprise they Dont get picked on

The type of dudes that frequent 4chan, or pretend to be a woman, aren't alpha by anyone's definition.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

This idea that "Muh poor picked on and bullied Conservatives" hasn't been a f***ing thing for over half a decade now.

It never was. Conservatives have been dishing it out for ages.
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Liberals are the most annoying, go figure
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PowerfulSageIRL posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

PowerfulSageIRL posted...

0 of those issues actually define whether someone leans right or left though

this is what I was thinking especially since these issues are nuanced and when specific scenarios play out your answer slightly changes

the right/left issue is one of economics; specifically one of private property (i.e. things people can own which passively make them money).

the most fundamental question imo is more like "do you support the rights of private property owners to passively make money through the exploitation of basic human needs?"

if No, you are on the left. if Yes, you are on the right.

from there, if you're on the right, we can ask further questions, such as "which services, if any, should be provided free of charge by the state?" to ascertain how far on the right they are. questions about minimum wage and wealth redistribution are also relevant here.

hey man, I'm not that smart
I know what you mean though. when I say liberal and conservative I mean the political dynamic in the US and other countries with similar politics. so I guess the common definition and not the actual one
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Speaking as a left leaning moderate it seems that there isn't much a distinction between the moderates and the mainstream of a party. I admit I criticise the right more then the left but I will attack radical feminists, the leftists who think all of Islam needs to be defended and extreme SJWs. But more of my time is spent telling people that the crazies on the left don't represent the majority.
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AutumnBlaze posted...

Moderates are adults that know that to live life, one must compromise.

They tend to bash more liberals because liberals are often much more annoying and out of touch with reality.

This. Basically, I'm not on either side, I'm just me so I'm a 'moderate'. But liberals do...a lot of wonky things so they get called out more.
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Knowledge_King posted...

AutumnBlaze posted...

Moderates are adults that know that to live life, one must compromise.

They tend to bash more liberals because liberals are often much more annoying and out of touch with reality.

This.

was wrong the last time you agreed too.

it'll still be wrong the next time somebody states it as well.
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Knowledge_King posted...

AutumnBlaze posted...

Moderates are adults that know that to live life, one must compromise.

They tend to bash more liberals because liberals are often much more annoying and out of touch with reality.

This. Basically, I'm not on either side, I'm just me so I'm a 'moderate'. But liberals do...a lot of wonky things so they get called out more.

Qft

Also the mods here are so sensitive, like omg
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I think a part of it isn't even anyone trying to be disingenuous, but rather that some people compare themselves to GOP policies from the 2000s and Democratic policies from 2018 and think they're moderate because they're between those.

That's why the policies that these "moderates" always point to for their moderate bonafides are gay marriage, marijuana legalization, the wars that didn't go well are bad, *insert failed GOP policy* is bad, etc.

But they don't think that the wars that haven't gone bad yet justified for the same reason are bad or that modern incarnations of those GOP policies are bad or that we should do anything to protect gay rights in the marketplace.
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people don't want to be looked at like the villains they share the narrative with. just like the people in the 50s who took their families to a relaxing lynching at the park after church.

people gotta point to something "worse" in order to not feel "all that bad" by comparison.

the tradition of whataboutism continues in the circles they've always dwelled in. they even know when the shoe fits because they'll get defensive and make it apparent that you hit close to home.
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DarkRoast posted...

It's been longer than I realized.

first time i said that i realized i was old
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Maybe you're just biased because everyone makes fun of you for saying stupid things
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PowerfulSageIRL posted...

the most fundamental question imo is more like "do you support the rights of private property owners to passively make money through the exploitation of basic human needs?"

if No, you are on the left. if Yes, you are on the right.

from there, if you're on the right, we can ask further questions, such as "which services, if any, should be provided free of charge by the state?" to ascertain how far on the right they are. questions about minimum wage and wealth redistribution are also relevant here.

i dont think that is accurate for the political divisions of any country anywhere

because basically everyone's answer is yes and the left-leaning answers tend to mix regulation of that passive income with state welfare programs

but i do get where you are going with this and i think youre on the right general track

i think the more fundamental question that divides right vs left is "how much should we slow the progression of society in order to minimize the disruption of order that progress causes as a side-effect"

there's not a clear delineation of where the center is, it's somewhat society-specific

but when trump gets on the national stage and says this you know exactly who he's speaking to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drry6tO0ALI" data-time="

also fun reminder that this exchange happened. with the debate moderator.
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ThyCorndog posted...

;_;

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PowerfulSageIRL posted...

the most fundamental question imo is more like "do you support the rights of private property owners to passively make money through the exploitation of basic human needs?"

if No, you are on the left. if Yes, you are on the right.

You realize liberals are capitalists and not leftists/socialists right?
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Their assessments of Christine Blasey Ford were particularly interesting.
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iron jojo posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

;_;

show one post where I was crying

you cant and you wont
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Darkman124 posted...

i think the more fundamental question that divides right vs left is "how much should we slow the progression of society in order to minimize the disruption of order that progress causes as a side-effect"

this is basically how I view the divide, even if that might not be the original/historical definition of it
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Darkman124 posted...

i dont think that is accurate for the political divisions of any country anywhere

because basically everyone's answer is yes and the left-leaning answers tend to mix regulation of that passive income with state welfare programs

but i do get where you are going with this and i think youre on the right general track

i think the more fundamental question that divides right vs left is "how much should we slow the progression of society in order to minimize the disruption of order that progress causes as a side-effect"

there's not a clear delineation of where the center is, it's somewhat society-specific

that's kinda... mostly true. differentiating by country or society doesn't make it any clearer. the US there are people who think that Hillary Clinton is on the left. I don't even think Bernie Sanders and A. Ocasio-Cortez are solidly left of center

it's also very dependent on some semantics in your question, but I am too sleepy to go into much detail about that. Maybe it'll make more sense whel I'm not half asleep

generations of lying ass politicians have kept the nation in a state of confusion and it set the tone for it's citizens.

it's hard to know who really feels what because the culture of anti intellectualism and "self image over facts" is so ingrained in the culture. people would rather manipulate and mislead you rather than engage you with honesty and integrity.

the people most afraid of criticised are typically the loudest critics with shit to hide.
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Darkman124 posted...

i think the more fundamental question that divides right vs left is "how much should we slow the progression of society in order to minimize the disruption of order that progress causes as a side-effect"

ok I'm more awake now

by "progression of society", are you referring to the accumulation of wealth in a few hands while everyone else becomes poorer until they starve?

by "slow the progression", do you mean "implement some nice but ultimately ineffectual socdem policies to placate the poor people so they don't stage a revolution"?

and by "disruption of order" do you mean said revolution?

because that's one possible interpretation of what you said.

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

Imagine praising someone for "thinking for themselves" in spite of their opinions being toxic. That post comes across as being extremely myopic and simpleminded. It's like you're saying "it does not matter what opinions you have... if they seem to be your own, you must be super smart and benevolent because not hive mind."
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CrimsonRage posted...

bottom line, if a topic is made criticising conservatives and you go into it to say "but what about liberals" you are not a moderate.

ESPECIALLY if you can go into topics criticisng liberals and actually stay on subject.

I see much more of this from "moderates" than I see actual balanced views from them.
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Enlightened centrism, is a well known meme and it's really funny to see them in the wild.

The "I'm not bogged down by bias, I just skirt along the middle of every issue like a true intellectual" guy.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

but they do. why do you think they take to memes like "npc" and "orange man bad". they HATE people criticising trump. they want everyone to like him and submit to him.

And these are all responses to things Trump does that the left has done in some capacity

The separation of families is a prime example. Obama did it? Hardly a story. Trump? Proof he's Hitler, the world is ending!

Just because you didn't follow politics and didn't know how much shit was talked about Obama over his immigration policies doesn't mean other people weren't paying attention.

And social media being far more prevalent now also shits all over your stupid point

Social media is his point. Every opinion he has is formed by reading stupid shit that randoms post on diarrhea platforms like twitter.
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