Current Events > "Moderates" who attack liberals at every given opportunity but leave

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TheMikh posted...

[Joe Rogan's] advocacy of allowing immigrants from mexico on moral grounds speaks volumes

being pro-immigration and smoking weed does not preclude being right-wing

it's an important starting point if you want to understand why they're at odds with each other - why neocons hate paleocons and vice versa, why paleocons lost their **** when trump bombed syria, why the gop hates trump and trump supporters hate the gop establishment, and why some people have the nerve to call themselves "libertarians" while also supporting bombing foreign countries

there's a great deal of differentiation on organic citizenship and the role of government, even if the views of those claiming to be of one camp or another have overlaps here or there

really, I just don't care enough about these ideologies to differentiate between them. they're all despicable shitheads regardless of the specifics of their ideology

but anyway:

if neocons hate paleocons, then it doesn't make sense for there to be any overlap between them, so the chart is inconsistent in either case.

the GOP does not hate Trump, even if some Trump supporters hate the GOP establishment.

hanson, for instance, is a democrat with paleocon social/political views and neocon foreign policy views

the democratic party is a conservative political structure that does not really differ significantly from the GOP.

which reminds me of another point: America-centrism. liberalism is a right-wing ideology, and should therefore be represented on the chart.

there was a major realignment in the self-proclaimed alt-right after the election, and anyone who did not support ethnopluralism (see: people who did not support racial nationalism) abandoned the label, while the racial nationalists ditched trump as it became increasingly apparent he was not one of them

gonna need to see some hard evidence of this that there was a major realignment; that the label was abandoned by anyone not supporting ethnopluralism; that the nationalists ditched Trump; and that Trump isn't one of them.

segregation vs genocide

Hitler claimed his final goal was to deport the Jews to an island, which would be the former, but he did the latter. they are not super distinct from each other, and I would consider segregation in this sense to be a type of genocide

and [Pinochet is] on th[e] dimension [that says "fascist"]

but he is not in the "fascist" box

jesus was very much a socialist, albeit of the anarcho-pacifistic variety, and shakespeare was very much a feminist, albeit not in the sense it's used today

socialism as an ideology was influenced heavily by Jesus' teachings, but it did not exist while he was alive.

similarly, feminism as an ideology did not exist until long after Shakespeare had died, so while he certainly critiqued sexist attitudes in society as he saw them, calling him a "feminist" because he did so is not really accurate

this is also the case with calling Pinochet and Mussolini "Trumpists"

the long-term game of populist ideologies is to build consensus among common folk - rather than politicians - towards a popular coalition in support of their views, even if their views do not reflect the present popular interests

but that is not the only requirement for an ideology to be Populist. it has to benefit the common folk. right wing ideologies do not

Because the party Im closer to calls me a nazi when I disagree with any single one of their progressive views
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Darkman124 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

sounds like the Right only respects force. but freak out when somebody suggest using it against them.

we are discussing moderates, don't twist my words. this goes beyond the right, it's about the flaws in our nature.

how is my assessment of the situation twisting your words? based on historical patterns, would you say that my observation is inaccurate? this may be human nature, but has this not been the status quo?
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RebelElite791 posted...

AutumnBlaze posted...

Moderates are adults that know that to live life, one must compromise.

They tend to bash more liberals because liberals are often much more annoying and out of touch with reality.

God so many of these stupid alts right now

462 keeps losing them so of course he is replacing them
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AutumnBlaze posted...

Moderates are adults that know that to live life, one must compromise.

They tend to bash more liberals because liberals are often much more annoying and out of touch with reality.

Honestly, its this. People just try to go on with their day to day life. When people go out of their way to stick out, its gonna make you a target
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ThyCorndog posted...

and manbeast462 was never seen again

one can hope
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Slaya4 posted...

In SF, they literally said that Scott Weiner isnt liberal enough to represent SF in Senate because he didnt agree with terrible laws that were passed in SF (ie allowing homeless to shit on sidewalks etc.).

if you believe that represents all liberals across the country as opposed to a pocket of fucking lunatics within the liberal demographic of that city, then friend, come on down to my bridge dealership. I'll give you the VIP discount which opens up a buy 2, get 1 at 15% off deal on bridges AND a 20% discount on the extended warranty package!!!
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are you too Left for the Right, too Right for the Left and too nuanced for Centrist? congratulations.. you're probably a critical thinker.

just quoting to add to it. this bullshit narrative moderates ITT are trying to form is silly. there's nothing "adult" about turning a blind eye to nuance. this fake ass "non-confrontational" ideology is bred from complacency.

"I'm definitely gonna use my vote as my voice, but I don't want to be held accountable, be associated with any negativity or be made to feel any shame for wanting to have my cake and eat it too."
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Darkman124 posted...

because in america, lashing out violently causes fear, but not disgust.

we respect the man who cries in public less than the man who shoots the public.

right-wing terrorism has killed far more americans in the last decade than left-wing terrorism.

those on the left tend to make spectacles of themselves in ways we do not respect.

this is a good post
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They're pussies.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Darkman124 posted...

because in america, lashing out violently causes fear, but not disgust.

we respect the man who cries in public less than the man who shoots the public.

right-wing terrorism has killed far more americans in the last decade than left-wing terrorism.

those on the left tend to make spectacles of themselves in ways we do not respect.

that's a grim view of it. I didn't consider that angle. I like it

sounds like the Right only respects force. but freak out when somebody suggest using it against them.

Exactly. It's insecurity to the extreme
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

how is my assessment of the situation twisting your words? based on historical patterns, would you say that my observation is inaccurate? this may be human nature, but has this not been the status quo?

because it's not limited to the right

it includes moderates, and even a nontrivial segment of the left

i dont know if it is a uniquely american problem or a human problem but it is vastly more widespread than just the lunatics who chant "don't tread on me" while supporting police militarization

they're just the extreme case. we have to examine it in ourselves.
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People like that are just conservatives that want to avoid the baggage.
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hockeybub89 posted...

People like that are just conservatives that want to avoid the baggage.

They are also liberals that want to avoid the baggage.
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TC seems to have become a bit rustled lately tbqh
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_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

People like that are just conservatives that want to avoid the baggage.

They are also liberals that want to avoid the baggage.

that basic info doesn't do anything to his point though.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

TC seems to have become a bit rustled lately tbqh

how so
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

People like that are just conservatives that want to avoid the baggage.

They are also liberals that want to avoid the baggage.

that basic info doesn't do anything to his point though.

Maybe. You could say my post was pointless but so was his. The only difference is is that his post had an agenda
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Theyre conservatives who are too embarrased to align themselves with conservatives so they call themselves moderates. At least here on CE. Its so obvious where their views and ideals really fall.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.
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_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

People like that are just conservatives that want to avoid the baggage.

They are also liberals that want to avoid the baggage.

that basic info doesn't do anything to his point though.

Maybe. You could say my post was pointless but so was his. The only difference is is that his post had an agenda

wasn't pointless. your agenda was your point. it's just nobody argues such a thing because it goes without saying for intelligent beings.
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The main thing is conservatives aren't trying to force everyone to think the same way
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_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal
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SterlingM posted...

The main thing is conservatives aren't trying to force everyone to think the same way

lolololol
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ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal

Exactly. The best of both worlds. Thats why they are the smartest and best group
wasn't pointless. your agenda was your point. it's just nobody argues such a thing because it goes without saying for intelligent beings.

That doesnt make any sense and is self contradictory. The original post was arguing such a thing because he obviously thought it only applied to one group hence his going out of the way yo make a distinction. Much likr viper did. You might want to rethink your logic
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_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal

Exactly. The best of both worlds. Thats why they are the smartest and best group

but that's only like 10% of any moderates i've ever seen. the rest are just conservatives that seem embarassed to call themselves that
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To be fair, the far left threat is serious enough to unite moderates and conservatives.
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Trump's tweets are stupid and unprofessional and conservatives are just as whiny, snowflakey, and overly sensitive and thin-skinned as their liberal counterparts. Neither side ever wants to be wrong (that pesky insecurity thing), neither side accepts different opinions and doesn't want to be offended yet still wants to live in a country with free speech (the definition of hypocritical moron right there), and neither side wants to accept that neither party is perfect nor can they grasp the reality that the likes of Trump, Obama, and Hillary actually don't give two shits about any them.....they don't lose sleep at night wondering if they are doing right by their "fanbase", sorry that the politician you support is yet another person that doesn't care if you exist or not.....must be fun being a political pawn manipulated into voting for people who will screw you over.....but hey, it gets you attention that you desperately crave at least, right?

How's that TC? Did I shit on both sides enough?

Im_JustMe0129 posted...

Trump's tweets are stupid and unprofessional and conservatives are just as whiny, snowflakey, and overly sensitive and thin-skinned as their liberal counterparts. Neither side ever wants to be wrong (that pesky insecurity thing), neither side accepts different opinions and doesn't want to be offended yet still wants to live in a country with free speech (the definition of hypocritical moron right there), and neither side wants to accept that neither party is perfect nor can they grasp the reality that the likes of Trump, Obama, and Hillary actually don't give two shits about any them.....they don't lose sleep at night wondering if they are doing right by their "fanbase", sorry that the politician you support is yet another person that doesn't care if you exist or not.....must be fun being a political pawn manipulated into voting for people who will screw you over.....but hey, it gets you attention that you desperately crave at least, right?

How's that TC? Did I shit on both sides enough?

sure
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ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal

arguably? the moderates ITT are struggling to even be transparent. what sort of moderate are you? these terms are vague and broad on purpose because they can be explained and interpreted any way that's most beneficial to that individual's image and feelings at the time.

those who don't stand for something fall for anything. many consider these people to be spineless and only care when they've got something at stake themselves.
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CrimsonRage posted...

bottom line, if a topic is made criticising conservatives and you go into it to say "but what about liberals" you are not a moderate.

ESPECIALLY if you can go into topics criticisng liberals and actually stay on subject.

Because it's usually something liberals also do

Calling out that is fair
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SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

bottom line, if a topic is made criticising conservatives and you go into it to say "but what about liberals" you are not a moderate.

ESPECIALLY if you can go into topics criticisng liberals and actually stay on subject.

Because it's usually something liberals also do

Calling out that is fair

Lmao you're not a moderate either and no one thinks you are. I don't care what you call yourself
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CrimsonRage posted...

but they do. why do you think they take to memes like "npc" and "orange man bad". they HATE people criticising trump. they want everyone to like him and submit to him.

And these are all responses to things Trump does that the left has done in some capacity

The separation of families is a prime example. Obama did it? Hardly a story. Trump? Proof he's Hitler, the world is ending!
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CrimsonRage posted...

SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

bottom line, if a topic is made criticising conservatives and you go into it to say "but what about liberals" you are not a moderate.

ESPECIALLY if you can go into topics criticisng liberals and actually stay on subject.

Because it's usually something liberals also do

Calling out that is fair

but you don't call out conservatives

which is why you are not really moderate

This is where you'll get the classic "I can't help the liberals are more often wrong" excuse from "moderates".
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CrimsonRage posted...

bottom line, if a topic is made criticising conservatives and you go into it to say "but what about liberals" you are not a moderate.

ESPECIALLY if you can go into topics criticisng liberals and actually stay on subject.

this is very true. a true moderate would just appreciate criticism about conservatives and stay on topic. somehow it always ends up about liberals though because you know... they're totally really moderate for real
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CrimsonRage posted...

SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

bottom line, if a topic is made criticising conservatives and you go into it to say "but what about liberals" you are not a moderate.

ESPECIALLY if you can go into topics criticisng liberals and actually stay on subject.

Because it's usually something liberals also do

Calling out that is fair

but you don't call out conservatives

which is why you are not really moderate

Liberals weren't called out on it showing how little it mattered

But if the right does it it's the apocalypse
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SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

but they do. why do you think they take to memes like "npc" and "orange man bad". they HATE people criticising trump. they want everyone to like him and submit to him.

And these are all responses to things Trump does that the left has done in some capacity

The separation of families is a prime example. Obama did it? Hardly a story. Trump? Proof he's Hitler, the world is ending!

Just because you didn't follow politics and didn't know how much shit was talked about Obama over his immigration policies doesn't mean other people weren't paying attention.

And social media being far more prevalent now also shits all over your stupid point
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ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal

Exactly. The best of both worlds. Thats why they are the smartest and best group

but that's only like 10% of any moderates i've ever seen. the rest are just conservatives that seem embarassed to call themselves that

Thats ancedotal at best
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SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

bottom line, if a topic is made criticising conservatives and you go into it to say "but what about liberals" you are not a moderate.

ESPECIALLY if you can go into topics criticisng liberals and actually stay on subject.

Because it's usually something liberals also do

Calling out that is fair

but you don't call out conservatives

which is why you are not really moderate

Liberals weren't called out on it showing how little it mattered

But if the right does it it's the apocalypse

Your own political ignorance to history is astonishing
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No liberal wanted to impeach Obama over it so no it wasn't a big deal to them
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

SterlingM posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

but they do. why do you think they take to memes like "npc" and "orange man bad". they HATE people criticising trump. they want everyone to like him and submit to him.

And these are all responses to things Trump does that the left has done in some capacity

The separation of families is a prime example. Obama did it? Hardly a story. Trump? Proof he's Hitler, the world is ending!

Just because you didn't follow politics and didn't know how much shit was talked about Obama over his immigration policies doesn't mean other people weren't paying attention.

And social media being far more prevalent now also shits all over your stupid point

21 Savage has more bars than this guy has karma.

take that however you will.
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_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal

Exactly. The best of both worlds. Thats why they are the smartest and best group

but that's only like 10% of any moderates i've ever seen. the rest are just conservatives that seem embarassed to call themselves that

Thats ancedotal at best

are you a moderate? if so, can you list your policy positions that would show that you're moderate?
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ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Moderates are people too lazy to educate themselves enough on something to take a damn position.

Moderates are arguably the smartest group since they realize both sides have good offering and can actually think for themselves. Instead of just blindly falling into a hive mind and falling in line.

a moderate is not somone who avoids picking sides. a real moderate would be someone whose views end up falling somewhere around between a conservative and a liberal

Exactly. The best of both worlds. Thats why they are the smartest and best group

but that's only like 10% of any moderates i've ever seen. the rest are just conservatives that seem embarassed to call themselves that

Thats ancedotal at best

are you a moderate? if so, can you list your policy positions that would show that you're moderate?

Give me a list of issues.
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