Board 8 > Do you think Israel's existence is a net positive for the world?

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Nelson_Mandela
12/26/18 10:03:57 PM
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Do you think Israel's existence is a net positive for the world? - Results (18 votes)
Yes and I'm liberal (or left-leaning)
16.67% (3 votes)
3
Yes and I'm conservative (or right leaning)
33.33% (6 votes)
6
No and I'm liberal (or left leaning)
33.33% (6 votes)
6
No and I'm conservative (or right leaning)
16.67% (3 votes)
3
Poll
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Logience
12/26/18 10:09:44 PM
#2:


Its the result of the Sykes-Picot carveup. You tell me.
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Nelson_Mandela
12/26/18 10:43:43 PM
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Logience posted...
Its the result of the Sykes-Picot carveup. You tell me.

What's that
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foolm0r0n
12/26/18 11:00:22 PM
#4:


These are the most american poll results ever
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Anagram
12/26/18 11:01:38 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
What's that

During WWI, Britain told Arab subjects of the Ottoman Empire to rebel, and they'd be granted freedom after the war ended. The Arabs wanted to set up their own kingdom or series of kingdoms. The Arabs did so, but then the British and French just annexed most of the land the Ottomans had owned. This is directly or indirectly responsible for all modern Middle-Eastern borders except Egypt, Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan.
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Nanis23
12/26/18 11:58:04 PM
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I am from Israel and if it didn't exist then Board 8 wouldn't have me, of course it's a positive
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foolm0r0n
12/27/18 4:04:41 AM
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Nanis23 posted...
I am from Israel and if it didn't exist then Board 8 wouldn't have me, of course it's a positive

Unfortunately you would probably still be here, you would just be from South Lebanon instead
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Logience
12/27/18 4:09:25 AM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Logience posted...
Its the result of the Sykes-Picot carveup. You tell me.

What's that

>makes a poll about the existence of modern Israel
>has no idea what Sykes-Picot is
Youre kidding me.
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Nelson_Mandela
12/27/18 9:50:33 AM
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The no/liberal is winning

Remind me how the right is more antisemitic then?
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DeepsPraw
12/27/18 9:58:03 AM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Remind me how the right is more antisemitic then?


oh fuck off. Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism
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Mr Lasastryke
12/27/18 10:08:48 AM
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sephyg's attempts to gotcha the left make me lose brain cells
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Vlado
12/27/18 10:18:51 AM
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DeepsPraw posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Remind me how the right is more antisemitic then?


oh fuck off. Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism

"Jews are totally fine people, as long as they don't try to have their own country."

lmfao @ the American left
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DeepsPraw
12/27/18 10:22:56 AM
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If their country is based on racism, apartheid and murder then no, it's not fine
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Mr Lasastryke
12/27/18 10:26:26 AM
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Vlado posted...
"Jews are totally fine people, as long as they don't try to have their own country."

lmfao @ the American left


they can have their own country, they just shouldn't constantly violate human rights.

i know this is hard to understand for someone who thinks assad is some kind of hero, but...
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Vlado
12/27/18 11:32:42 AM
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Zionism is simply their desire to have their own country. Anti-zionism, which you admitted to, is the opposition to that.
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MoogleKupo141
12/27/18 12:08:16 PM
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Vlado posted...
DeepsPraw posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Remind me how the right is more antisemitic then?


oh fuck off. Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism

"Jews are totally fine people, as long as they don't try to have their own country."

lmfao @ the American left


that's got nothing to do with them being Jewish. The Left isn't a big fan of the concept of ethnostates in general.
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Jakyl25
12/27/18 12:48:37 PM
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This is a tough one. I went with yes but they are sure trying to make it a no.

Kind of the same answer if you asked this question about America to be honest
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iiaattgg
12/27/18 12:53:44 PM
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everytime i post on this board i try to avoid posting anything political and avoid the fray but then i see results like this and i understand how the holocaust happened
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LordoftheMorons
12/27/18 12:55:06 PM
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Vlado posted...
DeepsPraw posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Remind me how the right is more antisemitic then?


oh fuck off. Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism

"Jews are totally fine people, as long as they don't try to have their own country."

lmfao @ the American left

You know that most of the anti-globalist shit you consume is produced by antisemites, right? (Globalists being code for Jews)

Anyway, Israel is a better actor than most in the Middle East, but its frustrating because they could be better and should know better.
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Nanis23
12/27/18 1:03:38 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
they can have their own country, they just shouldn't constantly violate human rights.


Yessssss fuck Israel how dare they protect themselves from peace fighters
They should stop with the occupation and let the Arab people roam freely, surely this will not lead to more terror attacks with knives, guns and suicide bombers!
Surely Israel should let them have a free market so they can focus on building video games and write children books, they wouldn't use all this money on rockets and incendiary kites, of course!
Israel should believe in Hamas, which is the most friendly organization in the world, maybe only second to ISIS. Hell, it's even friendlier than Al-Qaeda!
I am so glad Israel is surrounded by such good friends like Hamas and Hezbollah that they can focus on not violating human rights now!
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CaptainOfCrush
12/27/18 1:05:36 PM
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Nanis23 posted...
Surely Israel should let them have a free market

They don't?
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Nanis23
12/27/18 1:06:08 PM
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iiaattgg posted...
everytime i post on this board i try to avoid posting anything political and avoid the fray but then i see results like this and i understand how the holocaust happened

You mean American people that live in their happy-go-lucky country and don't know what war means because they never had a war on their soil in their entire lifetime so they feel like they know best?
Yes
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Nanis23
12/27/18 1:08:10 PM
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Surely Israel should let them have a free market

They don't?

So what does "stopping the occupation" means

And yes I know it wasn't brought up yet
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CaptainOfCrush
12/27/18 1:12:16 PM
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Regrettably, I don't know much about the occupation despite being an Arab born in the Middle East. I was hoping you'd share your perspective rationally, and maybe tell us what some Palestinians think, provided you know any. I don't know any Palestinians. I know a few Israelis from work and school, and my anecdotal experience with them is that they were polite to me but seemed to casually regard Arabs as lesser humans, so the point they'd express surprise when I had the capacity (and kindness) to help them with school assignments.
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Leafeon13N
12/27/18 1:16:05 PM
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From an American standpoint, yeah because their value is literally letting us have an ally in the region.

The problem is their leadership tends to get intentionally antagonistic and kind of passive aggressive. It ends up a walking ad for groups like ISIS.
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Nanis23
12/27/18 1:16:51 PM
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
I was hoping you'd share your perspective rationally

I am willing to
Where are you from?
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CaptainOfCrush
12/27/18 1:17:42 PM
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Born in Iraq, been in the US for 27 years.
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Nanis23
12/27/18 1:38:29 PM
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Oh so you don't actually live there
Well, regardless, if you don't hate people based on their nationality then you are a cool dude that's worth respecting
Wish all Arabs were like you
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banananor
12/27/18 1:40:22 PM
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Honestly speaking, the world would be a much more peaceful place if the victors of ww1/2 had just carved off a piece of their own countries for a Jewish state instead of plopping it in the center of the middle east

Theoretically, if some random ass chunk of land nobody was living in in north Dakota (or, funny trivia, there were only 100,000 people in all of Nevada in 1940) was turned into Israel, would that have been good? Bad?

If you don't think that would go over well, why do you think it would go over more smoothly in a land actually holy to the previous residents?

Living where I do, I know a lot of Israeli citizens. I also know a lot of anti Zionist jews. Sometimes they are the same people. I generally listen to their arguments and let them argue amongst themselves

It's just a shitty situation now and the state needs to be defended. The question is how shitty and aggressive the country should be
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Nanis23
12/27/18 1:43:02 PM
#31:


banananor posted...
why do you think it would go over more smoothly in a land actually holy to the previous residents?

Well it's holy to the Jews too
You are right that it's not fair, but someone needs to live here
Now who deserves it the most? well...sadly I don't understand much about this subject so I can't discuss it, but it's a good question
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Vlado
12/27/18 1:46:35 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Globalists being code for Jews

You know just as well as I do that that's bullshit. There are people from all kinds of religions (including atheism) in the top positions of central banks and global corporations, which are the entities pushing globalism.

LordoftheMorons posted...
they could be better and should know better.

Yeah, if only they would stop protecting their country, they'd be great, eh?
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banananor
12/27/18 1:46:42 PM
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I wasn't specifically talking about who deserves what, but rather on a more practical level
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banananor
12/27/18 1:47:29 PM
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I'm interested in what you think about the more important part of my post

Theoretically, if some random ass chunk of land nobody was living in in north Dakota (or, funny trivia, there were only 100,000 people in all of Nevada in 1940) was turned into Israel, would that have been good? Bad?

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Nanis23
12/27/18 1:50:34 PM
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banananor posted...
I'm interested in what you think about the more important part of my post

Theoretically, if some random ass chunk of land nobody was living in in north Dakota (or, funny trivia, there were only 100,000 people in all of Nevada in 1940) was turned into Israel, would that have been good? Bad?

Depends on who you ask
Religion is the problem here, this is the only thing that is making Israel location important

Personally I don't give much of a shit about religion so if you tell me my country would be in the US, no war, no terror and more land, I would be so much for that.
So yes, it would be good in general, it wouldn't be good for religious people
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snake_5036
12/27/18 1:56:48 PM
#36:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
they can have their own country, they just shouldn't constantly violate human rights.

Don't bother talking to the nationalist.
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MariaTaylor
12/27/18 1:58:32 PM
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most interesting thing about this topic is that board 8 has become more conservative or someone is stuffing the poll
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Vlado
12/27/18 2:00:26 PM
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MariaTaylor posted...
most interesting thing about this topic is that board 8 has become more conservative or someone is stuffing the poll

The proportion isn't particularly surprising. It's just that most conservatives are so stunted from their offline experiences, they don't bother being vocal even on a gaming message board on the internet because they know what they'd get poured at themselves. Post-Trump US liberals have completely lost the plot.
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banananor
12/27/18 2:00:33 PM
#39:


Yeah, that makes sense.

I really think that the main benefits of creating Israel were more related to having a safe land where the government wouldn't randomly decide to go on a pogrom against the jews

Living on a holy site should've been secondary to that
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CaptainOfCrush
12/27/18 2:08:24 PM
#40:


Nanis23 posted...
Wish all Arabs were like you

A few of the Israelis I've met have told me the same thing. Again, from my experience, it just seems like a simple truth for Israelis to think of Arabs as inferior people, or to generalize them like this.
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Nelson_Mandela
12/27/18 2:28:46 PM
#41:


Jakyl25 posted...
This is a tough one. I went with yes but they are sure trying to make it a no.

Kind of the same answer if you asked this question about America to be honest

Insane statement. There has been no greater force for humanity than the United States. Over 1 billion served (out of the depths of totalitarianism).
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Jakyl25
12/27/18 2:33:54 PM
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I said Id narrowly vote yes for the US!

But weve really hurt as many people by existing as we have helped by existing
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Nelson_Mandela
12/27/18 2:35:06 PM
#43:


So it seems like most Leftists don't want Israel to exist (at least at the capacity it currently has). Yet, the vast majority of Jews vote Democrat.

This is still one of the strangest voting patterns that I'll never quite understand. Maybe the Self-Hating Jew is a real thing politically?
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Nelson_Mandela
12/27/18 2:36:23 PM
#44:


Jakyl25 posted...
I said Id narrowly vote yes for the US!

But weve really hurt as many people by existing as we have helped by existing

Only if you count the original colonialists as "American" tbqh. Which you shouldn't.
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Jakyl25
12/27/18 2:36:56 PM
#45:


How many American Jews support Israel? Do you have those numbers?
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Jakyl25
12/27/18 2:38:40 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I said Id narrowly vote yes for the US!

But weve really hurt as many people by existing as we have helped by existing

Only if you count the original colonialists as "American" tbqh. Which you shouldn't.


Oh you think the massacre of the Natives was over by 1776?

Do we have numbers on how many people we enslaved? Oppressed? Civilians bombed?
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Nelson_Mandela
12/27/18 2:40:46 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I said Id narrowly vote yes for the US!

But weve really hurt as many people by existing as we have helped by existing

Only if you count the original colonialists as "American" tbqh. Which you shouldn't.


Oh you think the massacre of the Natives was over by 1776?

Do we have numbers on how many people we enslaved? Oppressed? Civilians bombed?

1. 99% of the Native American democide occurred before 1776 (and mostly by the Spanish)

2. America freed the slaves that they enslaved, so I count that as a wash

3. I don't see anything wrong with bombing civilians in a total war, you know this
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Jakyl25
12/27/18 2:43:33 PM
#48:


Nelson_Mandela posted...

2. America freed the slaves that they enslaved, so I count that as a wash


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Jakyl25
12/27/18 2:47:22 PM
#49:


George doesnt pay me enough to deal with this shit
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Nanis23
12/27/18 2:52:21 PM
#50:


I am really curious as to what @Mr_Lasastryke considers human rights violation and how he think Israel can avoid this
If anything, Israel trying so hard to NOT violate human rights is what Hamas is taking advantage of
Shooting rockets out of mosques and near hospital because they know Israel will never return fire there
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