Board 8 > Do you think Israel's existence is a net positive for the world?

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

So it seems like most Leftists don't want Israel to exist (at least at the capacity it currently has). Yet, the vast majority of Jews vote Democrat.

This is still one of the strangest voting patterns that I'll never quite understand. Maybe the Self-Hating Jew is a real thing politically?

the general Democratic Party is in favor of Israel, I think. It's mostly the farthest left people that take issue with it

and again, it has nothing to do with antisemitism. Not liking Isreal's treatment of Palestinians doesn't mean not liking Jews in general.
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Nanis23 posted...

I am really curious as to what @Mr_Lasastryke considers human rights violation and how he think Israel can avoid this
If anything, Israel trying so hard to NOT violate human rights is what Hamas is taking advantage of
Shooting rockets out of mosques and near hospital because they know Israel will never return fire there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israeli_shelling_of_UNRWA_Gaza_shelters

like this seems bad

A Human Rights Watch investigation into three of the incidents concluded that Israel committed war crimes because two of the shellings "did not appear to target a military objective or were otherwise indiscriminate

it doesn't seem like Israel tried too hard here
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Nanis23 posted...

I am really curious as to what @Mr_Lasastryke considers human rights violation

this is kind of a broad question. you can begin by watching theroux's ultra zionists documentary.

but you fucking live in israel so i doubt you seriously need me to inform you about the country's human rights violations. it's clear that you're purposefully closing your eyes when it comes to this and you think israel can do no wrong because you consider arabs to be evil (as evidenced by your "i wish all arabs were like you!" comment to yoblazer, as if him being a cool arab guy is some kind of super weird anomaly).
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Who loves the cheese more? The mouse getting fed for free, or the exterminator who laid it on the mousetrap?

Israel exists because white people allowed it. The instant white people want to start massacring the jews again, they can and they will. That's why Israel should not exist. It's not a legitimate state, just a temporary appeasement to the globalists while white nationalism builds back up to enough goodwill to spring the trap. This is why Israel is absolutely adored and perfectly flawless to nationalists. It is the ultimate answer to their problem.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

but you fucking live in israel so i doubt you seriously need me to inform you about the country's human rights violations. it's clear that you're purposefully closing your eyes when it comes to this and you think israel can do no wrong because you consider arabs to be evil (as evidenced by your "i wish all arabs were like you!" comment to yoblazer, as if him being a cool arab guy is some kind of super weird anomaly).

Americans are the same way. Nanis pretends he has some extra perspective as someone living in a war torn land or something but millions of Americans have the exact same mindset and beliefs. It's all the same fearmongering from the same people.
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Thanks foolmo for once again proving you are the worst user on Board 8
You never fail to disappoint me
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Man and here I thought I was gonna be deemed "one of the good arabs" too

This Nanis-defined reality really sucks
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foolm0r0n posted...

Man and here I thought I was gonna be deemed "one of the good arabs" too

This Nanis-defined reality really sucks

youre a platinum tier arab in my rankings
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LordoftheMorons posted...

You know that most of the anti-globalist s*** you consume is produced by antisemites, right? (Globalists being code for Jews)

What is this universal anti-Globalist translation guide and where can I buy one?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

What is this universal anti-Globalist translation guide and where can I buy one?

just imagine the worst thing you want the other person to say, and then translate whatever they are saying as a "dog whistle" for whatever you want to hear
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MariaTaylor posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

What is this universal anti-Globalist translation guide and where can I buy one?

just imagine the worst thing you want the other person to say, and then translate whatever they are saying as a "dog whistle" for whatever you want to hear

Vlado probably really does interpret it in the JRPG villain way. It's a fact, however, that "globalist" is a well-known antisemitic dogwhistle. See, e.g., https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/the-origins-of-the-globalist-slur/555479/
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it's probably no coincidence that there's a huge overlap between "anti-globalists" and white nationalists/neo-nazis, no.

it's probably also not a coincidence that trump has talked about the evils of globalism.
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But as this topic proves, white nationalists/neo-nazis (aka conservatives) are quite pro-Israel
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Just as opposing the actions of Israel as a nation doesn't necessarily make somebody an antisemite, supporting Israel doesn't exclude the possibility of somebody being an antisemite.

Also,
Nelson_Mandela posted...

white nationalists/neo-nazis (aka conservatives)

Is quite the self-own
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

But as this topic proves, white nationalists/neo-nazis (aka conservatives) are quite pro-Israel

sure, it keeps the Jews away from the whites. Super convenient.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

supporting Israel doesn't exclude the possibility of somebody being an antisemite.

I would guess that 99% of anti-Semites are anti-Israel
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I would guess that 99% of anti-Semites are anti-Israel

Can I cite this in my phd
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

sure, it keeps the Jews away from the whites. Super convenient.

woke
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

supporting Israel doesn't exclude the possibility of somebody being an antisemite.

I would guess that 99% of anti-Semites are anti-Israel

How could you possibly believe this?

I thought you were smart.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

supporting Israel doesn't exclude the possibility of somebody being an antisemite.

I would guess that 99% of anti-Semites are anti-Israel

How could you possibly believe this?

I thought you were smart.

Let me educate you on how racists think:

Those who are racist against blacks/Hispanics usually say things like "I don't want them dating my daughter." This progresses to "I don't want them in my neighborhood" and then "I don't want them in my country" the more extreme they are in their bigotry. These racists favor varying forms of segregation. Most do not want to murder all minorities.

Those who are anti-Semites think differently. No one says "I don't want Jews in my neighborhood." Why would they anyway? Jews are not known for committing crimes or making somewhere unsafe to live. Instead, these anti-Semites say "I wish the Jews didn't control the banks" or, to paraphrase, "All of the systems in the world that seem like they are against me are just run by the Jews." Relegating the Jews to Israel won't solve their problems. The only solution is to strip them of their power, which largely necessitates destroying the country that is entirely devoted to Jewish sovereignty.

So, no, there aren't likely pro-Zionist anti-Semites around. If there are, they are an extraordinarily confused minority.
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btw this is exactly why de-platforming racists is a terrible idea

you need to interact with these people to know the nuances in their ways of thinking... that's how you destroy their arguments
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I'm not trying to do more digging into actual White Nationalist websites, but a cursory google of "Stormfront Israel" has a bunch of threads that seem pretty divided on Israel.

And I apologize for my wording, which was an unnecessary insult, I should have said you should think of it a different way.

Antisemites may hate Jews, but Israel is literally an ethnostate "besieged" by darkskin people, and better yet, it's a country half the world away.

From what I can tell, the more...rational(?) white nationalists support it for those reasons.
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metaIslug posted...

Topic title implies a discussion about Israel, but it's really just a proxy for another left/right bicker

discussions about israel are almost always left/right bicker
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maybe we could talk to allen about implementing some kind of woke af app to prevent any dogs from posting on the board or at least filter their whistling out of topics
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

btw this is exactly why de-platforming racists is a terrible idea

you need to interact with these people to know the nuances in their ways of thinking... that's how you destroy their arguments

I don't need to destroy their arguments if I'm never interacting with them headtappingblackman.jpg
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MariaTaylor posted...

maybe we could talk to allen about implementing some kind of woke af app to prevent any dogs from posting on the board or at least filter their whistling out of topics

an app that just keeps out SuperNiceDog would have been great to have like two months ago
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

btw this is exactly why de-platforming racists is a terrible idea

you need to interact with these people to know the nuances in their ways of thinking... that's how you destroy their arguments

You cant destroy racist arguments because theyre not logic-based
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Those who are anti-Semites think differently. No one says "I don't want Jews in my neighborhood." Why would they anyway?

Have you ever heard of World War II?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

you need to interact with these people to know the nuances in their ways of thinking... that's how you destroy their arguments

I know the nuances of their thinking and I destroy the arguments constantly

It's very easy to ignore in the best case, or convert into emotional energy that reinforces their beliefs in the worst case

Voting them into office doesn't really improve that
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Jakyl25 posted...

You cant destroy racist arguments because theyre not logic-based

Totally wrong. It's just way harder to counter the emotional argument. Well different, not necessarily harder I guess. At the core of every "logical" belief is an emotional one so you have to do this either way.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Let me educate you on how racists think:

Why do you consider yourself an expert on how racists think?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

it's probably no coincidence that there's a huge overlap between "anti-globalists" and white nationalists/neo-nazis, no.

Oh wow, nationalists are anti-globalist? Really? What a shock!

Don't try to lump nationalists in with neo-nazis, though. Neo-nazis are few and far between, nationalists are billions of people around the world, including Chinese, Japanese, etc. If neo-nazis are nationalists, they amount to a fraction of all nationalists in the world.
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i said "white nationalists" rather than "nationalists" for a reason. there's a difference.
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A nationalist who is white is a white nationalist. Perhaps you mean "white supremacists"?
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no, white nationalism is a thing too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism
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Wikipedia also says cultural marxism isn't a thing. lmfao wikipedia
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Wikipedia ALSO says the sun doesn't rise every morning in Alaska
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