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red13n
12/06/18 10:10:42 PM
#301:


#5: Sheik

Sheik has actually been one of my backup characters since Melee, but she actually falls more and more out of favor every Smash game. Sheik is just a ton of fun to play, she is so fast and mobile. Shes also usually really good, I'm sure in some ways that also helps. Sheik was definitely always one of Nintendo's coolest characters(Sheik is Zelda omg spoilers). I don't know how much people actually know this, but I am actually a huge fan of the Zelda series. People generally associate me with liking Pokemon, but if a new Zelda game and a new Pokemon were to somehow inexplicably release on the same day, I would play the new Zelda first. Thats where my hierarchy goes in that regard. There are definitely people looking at the top of my list and are like "oh red is a bad person look at those high tier characters" but me playing them was mostly just pure coincidence, and none of the top tier characters have been my recent main.
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12/06/18 10:14:55 PM
#302:


I've always hated using Sheik, but I'm glad someone likes her.
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red13n
12/06/18 10:16:16 PM
#303:


#4: Fox

With vanilla smash, I was definitely on a huge Pokemon kick, so I went straight for Pikachu. When we hit Melee, Pikachu sucked and I knew within 10 minutes of playing him in the game I needed to find a new main because I could not deal with so much muscle memory change. So I went with the obvious for an attempted switch and picked the fox. Obviously, I like foxes, so it was kind of obvious. It had nothing to do with competitive play or anything, and at that point the internet was so young something like a tier list wasn't anything I'd think of. I played who I wanted to play. That Fox happened to arguably be the best in the game was just a really lucky coincidence. I actually ended up dropping Fox in Brawl not because I liked Lucario more, but because changes to Fox with relative fall speed made him feel really strange to me. You learn a character, the game changes, and suddenly playing them is just frustrating. So I moved on, but Fox is still a fox, hes still pretty cool, and definitely a character I'll turn to every now and then for fun.
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Lopen
12/06/18 10:17:25 PM
#304:


I feel like I'm the only person who prefers using Zelda to Sheik. Never enjoyed Sheik's gameplay much. I'd rather use pretty much any other speedy character.
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Waluigi1
12/06/18 10:33:39 PM
#305:


red13n posted...
#7: Pichu

They made Pikachu unplayable so by default I played Pichu over him. Got a good kick out of the little guy and despite him sucking immensely he was a lot more fun to play than Pikachu. There is something immensely satisfying about beating people up with a tiny electric mouse. I'm pretty sure hes my least favorite of the Pika line but in Smash terms I just can't play Pikachu without feeling immense frustration. Pichu gets none of this frustration and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing if Pichu has gotten some much needed rebalancing.

This makes no sense.
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red13n
12/06/18 10:34:39 PM
#306:


What about it makes no sense.
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Ashethan
12/06/18 10:48:19 PM
#307:


Lopen posted...
I feel like I'm the only person who prefers using Zelda to Sheik. Never enjoyed Sheik's gameplay much. I'd rather use pretty much any other speedy character.


I prefer Zelda too. Though I haven't played Smash since Brawl.
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Waluigi1
12/06/18 10:52:06 PM
#308:


red13n posted...
What about it makes no sense.

That they play exactly the same. Except for Pichu being worse.
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red13n
12/06/18 10:55:56 PM
#309:


Waluigi1 posted...
That they play exactly the same. Except for Pichu being worse.


this is not true.
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ExThaNemesis
12/06/18 10:59:22 PM
#310:


I definitely get what Red was talking about.

Ness was my bread n' butter in Smash 64 but I literally couldn't use him in Melee.
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ExThaNemesis
12/06/18 11:00:54 PM
#311:


Is why I'm kind of glad it's been so long since I played Smash 4 regularly. I'll be able to jump into new mains with relative ease.
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Waluigi1
12/06/18 11:01:55 PM
#312:


red13n posted...
Waluigi1 posted...
That they play exactly the same. Except for Pichu being worse.


this is not true.

How do they differ...?
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red13n
12/06/18 11:06:02 PM
#313:


#3: Yoshi

Light blue Yoshi, always. This is where my favorites list and a Smash list first falls apart because Yoshi is easily my #1 character in Smash. That still gets him a high placement. I still feel extremely satisfied playing Yoshi. But at the same time I also feel incredibly handicapped. Recovery is such an important part of Smash and playing Yoshi you feel like if you are off the stage there is no coming back. You are going to telegraph every way back and there is nothing you can really do about it. Yoshi is still an awesome whatever color is your favorite dinosaur thing. Smash 4 wasthe game I was most comfortable playing him in, but hes just missing that little bit that would keep me playing my favorite character over and over again.
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red13n
12/06/18 11:08:09 PM
#314:


Waluigi1 posted...
red13n posted...
Waluigi1 posted...
That they play exactly the same. Except for Pichu being worse.


this is not true.

How do they differ...?


Its been long enough I couldnt tell you the exact details off the top of my head. But they exist, google them. They are there for your viewing. Pichu is still worse, but they are not exactly the same.
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red13n
12/06/18 11:50:47 PM
#315:


#2: Toon Link

I'm kind of curious if this surprised anyone at this point. I'm not sure if anyone on b8 has ever actually seen me play Toon Link, or if anyone has seen me play anyone but Lucario period. He was a character I just kind of played randomly(Possibly quite literally, with random) with some casuals and he just kind of clicked. I've never played him at the level I've attempted to play Lucario, but hes one of those characters when your going through and they just kind of feel natural. When my friends/family play me and I'm playing Lucario, they know they are going to lose. Anyone else, I was a mortal. It got to the point, and I hadnt even realized it, where if I picked Toon Link I just won. It was just a constant struggle for them to get in and when they finally managed to crack the code often they would be met with a connecting forward smash or similar. Again, huge Zelda fanboy here, so its not a big surprise to see Link place high. He wouldn't have placed this high years ago though, probably not even my top 10. Just pure coincidence that I kind of randomly picked him up. I didn't even realize he was my second best character for a long time. He'll be my first Link of choice in Ultimate.
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ScareChan
12/06/18 11:52:09 PM
#316:


I'm in line I need to see the lucario write up
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red13n
12/06/18 11:52:18 PM
#317:


#1: Lucario

This should shock no one. Lucario has been my main since Brawl and hes going to start as my main in Ultimate. He is one of my top Pokemon, and while they had a chance to put in a Pokemon that I may end up liking more than Lucario, they failed and gave Incineroar. They could have given me Revali, I'd have moved. I was prepared to move for Decidueye just for something different even though Lucario is a higher fav. But nope. I'd have moved for Lycanroc or Zeraora(The dream, almost no chance) of course. Nothing new in this game that I like more than Lucario, so barring some sudden shift, I'm sticking with him. I know aura is getting diminished a bit again, thats good. But I mean, seriously, Lucario is furry and blue with big paws and an awesome tail, thats definitely fitting what I'm looking for in a character. But I also like his playstyle, and the infuriating groans that can be caused by repeated Aura Spheres to the face. Hes probably not going to be great competitively again, but I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun playing him.

Anyway, thanks for reading and passing this time as we wait for the game to unlock. Last 3 days have honestly been a whole lot of me looking at the clock and going "is it smash time yet". And well, it is almost Smash time. Enjoy the game everyone.
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ExThaNemesis
12/06/18 11:53:08 PM
#318:


Topic outdated. There's 75 now! =P
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ExThaNemesis
12/06/18 11:53:25 PM
#319:


I fucking love that red was literally moments away from finishing this topic

AND THEY ADDED ANOTHER CHARACTER lmao
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red13n
12/06/18 11:53:58 PM
#320:


Also Joker is a horrible character to put in Smash. Hes relevant now but when we are on Persona 6 or like 8 and Smash is like 2 games down the road and everyone is still in. We are going to look at it and go "what the hell are you still doing here". hes a one-shot character from a series with no connection. And the player characters always get replaced by new look player characters. Hes a third party Jigglypuff. No lasting power. I don't like it in the long game.
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red13n
12/06/18 11:54:39 PM
#321:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I fucking love that red was literally moments away from finishing this topic

AND THEY ADDED ANOTHER CHARACTER lmao


Read opening post. Piranha plant portion.
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ExThaNemesis
12/06/18 11:54:43 PM
#322:


I agree with you for the most part, but I'm okay to let the Persona fans have their fun.
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WarThaNemesis2
12/06/18 11:55:40 PM
#323:


Shin Megami Tensei started on the Super Famicom, so Joker makes sense in that regard.
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red13n
12/06/18 11:56:32 PM
#324:


Also Joker being in would just make me annoyed that they didn't put Morgana in the game. At least hes a character that will forever be what he was. Player characters are generally pretty lame.
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Bane_Of_Despair
12/06/18 11:56:34 PM
#325:


red13n posted...
Also Joker is a horrible character to put in Smash. Hes relevant now but when we are on Persona 6 or like 8 and Smash is like 2 games down the road and everyone is still in. We are going to look at it and go "what the hell are you still doing here". hes a one-shot character from a series with no connection. And the player characters always get replaced by new look player characters. Hes a third party Jigglypuff. No lasting power. I don't like it in the long game.

lmao
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WarThaNemesis2
12/06/18 11:56:56 PM
#326:


Remember that fucking Roy is in Smash.

Roy.
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WarThaNemesis2
12/06/18 11:57:12 PM
#327:


Roy's not even bad (he is my boy!) but still.
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Mewtwo59
12/06/18 11:57:52 PM
#328:


red13n posted...
Also Joker is a horrible character to put in Smash. Hes relevant now but when we are on Persona 6 or like 8 and Smash is like 2 games down the road and everyone is still in. We are going to look at it and go "what the hell are you still doing here". hes a one-shot character from a series with no connection. And the player characters always get replaced by new look player characters. Hes a third party Jigglypuff. No lasting power. I don't like it in the long game.


Looks like the Phantom Thieves have a new target.
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foolm0r0n
12/06/18 11:59:55 PM
#329:


red13n posted...
Also Joker is a horrible character to put in Smash. Hes relevant now but when we are on Persona 6 or like 8 and Smash is like 2 games down the road and everyone is still in. We are going to look at it and go "what the hell are you still doing here". hes a one-shot character from a series with no connection. And the player characters always get replaced by new look player characters. Hes a third party Jigglypuff. No lasting power. I don't like it in the long game.

Ok we'll see if this is true in ten years when the next persona and smash are out
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NFUN
12/07/18 12:00:00 AM
#330:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
red13n posted...
Also Joker is a horrible character to put in Smash. Hes relevant now but when we are on Persona 6 or like 8 and Smash is like 2 games down the road and everyone is still in. We are going to look at it and go "what the hell are you still doing here". hes a one-shot character from a series with no connection. And the player characters always get replaced by new look player characters. Hes a third party Jigglypuff. No lasting power. I don't like it in the long game.

lmao

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ExThaNemesis
12/07/18 12:01:12 AM
#331:


At least he's got potential for a unique/interesting moveset.
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red13n
12/07/18 12:25:35 AM
#332:


foolm0r0n posted...
red13n posted...
Also Joker is a horrible character to put in Smash. Hes relevant now but when we are on Persona 6 or like 8 and Smash is like 2 games down the road and everyone is still in. We are going to look at it and go "what the hell are you still doing here". hes a one-shot character from a series with no connection. And the player characters always get replaced by new look player characters. Hes a third party Jigglypuff. No lasting power. I don't like it in the long game.

Ok we'll see if this is true in ten years when the next persona and smash are out


We will.
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MC_XD
12/07/18 12:58:39 AM
#333:


Hypocritical as hell to say Morgana is good after saying Joker has no staying power. Morgana is widely regarded as the worst/least-popular Phantom Thief outside of furries.
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MC_XD
12/07/18 1:01:56 AM
#334:


Besides, main character law. In Smash Bros history, every new franchise with character reps, starts with the main character.
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Tokoyami
12/07/18 1:05:35 AM
#335:


Hey I like Morgana

But I also like Joker and obviously Smash would fit way more with him.
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Zyxyz0
12/07/18 1:25:24 AM
#336:


heck yeah Bowser
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ScareChan
12/07/18 2:35:50 AM
#337:


oh god molten fortress

theres more!?
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red13n
12/07/18 2:43:59 AM
#338:


MC_XD posted...
Hypocritical as hell to say Morgana is good after saying Joker has no staying power. Morgana is widely regarded as the worst/least-popular Phantom Thief outside of furries.


For the record, I'm not advocating for either for Smash.
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red13n
12/07/18 8:37:37 AM
#339:


So Lucario's counter got nerfed in the ground with the active time to counter shrunk to milliseconds. But all the generic swordsman maintain their forever time on their counters. Not cool.
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Leafeon13N
12/07/18 8:46:59 AM
#340:


Think i am almost certainly on the hunt for a new man already. Lucario got buffs where he needed them but had to trade out for nerfs everywhere else.
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Tokoyami
12/07/18 9:07:30 AM
#341:


And the path to red maining Joker starts
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Mewtwo59
12/07/18 10:26:51 AM
#342:


Didn't Lucario's counter always have a really short activation window?
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Leafeon13N
12/07/18 12:23:40 PM
#343:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Didn't Lucario's counter always have a really short activation window?


They made it shorter. Considerably so
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pjbasis
12/07/18 1:31:13 PM
#344:


red13n posted...
He was much more natural for me to play in Brawl than in Wii U,


Am I the first person to mention Doc wasn't in Brawl?
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pjbasis
12/07/18 1:33:32 PM
#345:


Bowser isn't really that slow anymore! Top 20 running speed!
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red13n
12/07/18 1:33:47 PM
#346:


pjbasis posted...
red13n posted...
He was much more natural for me to play in Brawl than in Wii U,


Am I the first person to mention Doc wasn't in Brawl?


oops. That was Melee then.
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kateee
12/07/18 1:34:22 PM
#347:


FRAUD ranking
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HanOfTheNekos
12/07/18 2:53:25 PM
#348:


Time to main Pichu
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Leafeon13N
12/07/18 3:16:11 PM
#349:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Time to main Pichu


Need to unlock first.
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mnkboy907
12/07/18 3:45:15 PM
#350:


Joker's honestly the best choice for an Atlus rep anyway. When it comes to public appeal, Persona 5 is basically their Final Fantasy VII. Like they could've gone for a general mascot character like Jack Frost that has a bigger presence on Nintendo consoles, but that wouldn't bring nearly as much general excitement.
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