Board 8 > red13n ranks all 74 Smash Ultimate Characters

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Luis_Sera89
12/05/18 3:20:43 PM
#151:


red13n posted...
#50: Corrin

Who the hell asked for a billion Fire Emblem characters?


Hi.

Three Houses rep for DLC please.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/05/18 3:22:11 PM
#152:


Luis_Sera89 posted...
red13n posted...
#50: Corrin

Who the hell asked for a billion Fire Emblem characters?


Hi.

Three Houses rep for DLC please.


Considering Nintendo likely has a say of what DLC gets to be in Smash, and Three Houses is gonna be released in 2019 I'm 100% expecting one of the current DLC to from that game
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SuorGenoveffa
12/05/18 3:23:12 PM
#153:


red13n posted...
#50: Corrin

Who the hell asked for a billion Fire Emblem characters?


Me.

They just picked most of the wrong ones, unfortunately.
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HanOfTheNekos
12/05/18 3:26:18 PM
#154:


I am very proud of Red for not ranking Pichu yet.
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red13n
12/05/18 3:29:27 PM
#155:


#49: Robin

Purge them all. Admittedly, to this day I haven't played Robin enough to safely say I could tell you exactly how their mechanic works. I know they charge up spells somehow and eventually fire a big beam across the screen or whatever, but I know they are way more complicated than that. As someone that has played a good bit of 8 player Smash, watching Robin beam all 7 other players at once is quite an impressive sight. Unfortunately, Robin kind of lacks character. Being a very generic "player character" is as boring as it sounds.
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Panthera
12/05/18 3:34:13 PM
#156:


I'll never understand the complaint about Fire Emblem characters when most of them aren't even from the same game, considering how often people beg for the 3rd or 4th or 6th rep from some other game and that's not considered too much
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SuorGenoveffa
12/05/18 3:44:56 PM
#157:


Panthera posted...
I'll never understand the complaint about Fire Emblem characters when most of them aren't even from the same game, considering how often people beg for the 3rd or 4th or 6th rep from some other game and that's not considered too much


The complaints mostly come from people who are not familiar enough with Fire Emblem or don't understand that most of them are low-budget clones. I'd rather see like, 10 FE characters before I see Waluigi in the game but I am biased.

Admittedly, the fact that all the characters are sword users and half of them are alterations of Marth doesn't help. Even I hope that eventually 3-4 of them will be removed/made into character skins like Alph for Olimar so we can have characters that bring some variation to the table without listening to endless complaints.
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squexa
12/05/18 3:52:03 PM
#158:


Panthera posted...
I'll never understand the complaint about Fire Emblem characters when most of them aren't even from the same game, considering how often people beg for the 3rd or 4th or 6th rep from some other game and that's not considered too much


Because the games don't sell. I don't even think all the Fire Emblem games combined have sold as much as Breath of the Wild and yet it has something like the 2nd most number of reps and more than Zelda.
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12/05/18 3:58:37 PM
#159:


I like Fire Emblem and I think there are too many characters from the series in the game. Marth and his army of clones, fine, but Corrin is just there to advertise Fates. I at least like Robin's playstyle.
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Zigzagoon
12/05/18 4:15:44 PM
#160:


squexa posted...
Panthera posted...
I'll never understand the complaint about Fire Emblem characters when most of them aren't even from the same game, considering how often people beg for the 3rd or 4th or 6th rep from some other game and that's not considered too much


Because the games don't sell. I don't even think all the Fire Emblem games combined have sold as much as Breath of the Wild and yet it has something like the 2nd most number of reps and more than Zelda.

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Panthera
12/05/18 4:16:59 PM
#161:


squexa posted...


Because the games don't sell. I don't even think all the Fire Emblem games combined have sold as much as Breath of the Wild and yet it has something like the 2nd most number of reps and more than Zelda.


It only started getting significant representation once it did start selling. And the issue with Zelda (and a lot of Nintendo franchises) is it recycles its cast hardcore. You can be a big Fire Emblem fan and not have a character from your favourite game or two or three in the series, you can't be a Zelda fan in the same boat.
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Ashethan
12/05/18 4:33:40 PM
#162:


If Ganondorf had to be a clone, he should've been a Mewtwo clone tbh.
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SuorGenoveffa
12/05/18 5:28:22 PM
#163:


squexa posted...
Panthera posted...
I'll never understand the complaint about Fire Emblem characters when most of them aren't even from the same game, considering how often people beg for the 3rd or 4th or 6th rep from some other game and that's not considered too much


Because the games don't sell. I don't even think all the Fire Emblem games combined have sold as much as Breath of the Wild and yet it has something like the 2nd most number of reps and more than Zelda.


Fire Emblem is a much, much more character driven franchise than Zelda. That, and most non-triforce characters are more irrelevant in Zelda games than the average FE lord/co-protagonist by comparison. There were instances of characters that would've worked well for Zelda - Midna being the most blatant example - but I'd have a hard time coming up with Zelda characters important enough to be permanent additions to Smash.
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Waluigi1
12/05/18 5:39:09 PM
#164:


FE sells like hotcakes now. So it makes sense they would have a lot of reps.
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12/05/18 5:44:41 PM
#165:


Waluigi1 posted...
FE sells like hotcakes now. So it makes sense they would have a lot of reps.

It has one fewer rep than Pokemon, and one more than Zelda. That's quite a lot.
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pjbasis
12/05/18 5:50:45 PM
#166:


Wait like all Nintendo franchises have characters from multiple games.

Fire emblem isnt unique in that at all. They even have three from awakening! That's literally only beaten by Pokemon Red/Blue for 1 game providing the most characters.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/05/18 5:51:06 PM
#167:


People are also forgetting in Japan that FIre Emblem has 15-17 mainline games (depending on how you count each Fates games as separate or not) + a very successful mobile game

People can complain/criticize its importance compared to Mario/Zelda/Pokemon but that many mainline games but compared to the OG12 that may not even have 4-5 games total. FE deserves it based on quantity + quality alone
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pjbasis
12/05/18 5:53:06 PM
#168:


NowItsAngeTime posted...
but that many mainline games but compared to the OG12 that may not even have 4-5 games total.


Nani the fuck.

Literally every series in the og12 has more than 5 games except mother.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/05/18 5:53:57 PM
#169:


Oh sorry

5 games that people actually care about
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12/05/18 5:56:00 PM
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charmander6000
12/05/18 5:56:58 PM
#171:


People who complain about Fire Emblem characters in SSB are the same as people who complain about Final Fantasy characters on GameFAQs Character Battle. Besides the main title, they don't have much in common.
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pjbasis
12/05/18 6:00:56 PM
#172:


At least ff characters actually look different from each other
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SuorGenoveffa
12/05/18 6:11:25 PM
#173:


pjbasis posted...
At least ff characters actually look different from each other


I don't recall that many FE characters looking like each other, but then again people say Marth and Ike look alike because they both have blue hair so what do I know.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/05/18 6:28:59 PM
#174:


pjbasis posted...
Fire emblem has like 3 of those too


Not in Japan and outside DKC its pretty obvious Sakurai still slightly cares more about JP side than western side when discovering whats popular
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Whiskey_Nick
12/05/18 6:40:39 PM
#175:


Red your hatred for overrated garbage game Earthbound is making me love you.
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red13n
12/05/18 7:28:40 PM
#176:


#48: Donkey Kong

Big lumbering super slow characters are generally not going to be my thing here. That is pretty much Donkey Kong. Hes big, hes lumbering, and despite being the main character from one of my favorite franchises of all time, hes never ever been my favorite character in his own game. In fact, I probably switched him out intentionally many times because a big ugly ape thing. My number one wish for Smash(First party) that wasn't a Pokemon was probably Dixie Kong and I didn't get it. So meh.
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red13n
12/05/18 7:34:00 PM
#177:


##47: Zelda

I kind of forgot how long Zelda has been in Smash. I mean, I remember Sheik being in Smash since forever, but Zelda? Whoa shes got to be new right? Oops, nope. Turns out Zelda was there all along. I'm pretty sure to this day I still hold A when selecting Sheik out of habit. But the slow, floaty, light, boring not-Sheik version of herself today with her new special move to replace the transformation is lame. Yeah, some people play Zelda, but all the people that don't hate themselves that want to play Zelda are just going to play Sheik instead.
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Mewtwo59
12/05/18 7:36:26 PM
#178:


Is Zelda the consistently worst Smash character tier-wise? I can't think of anyone else who's been so bad so consistently like she has.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/05/18 7:46:59 PM
#179:


I just think Donkey Kong has one of the most boring movesets in the series minus the Ding Dong from Smash Wii U

Basically every other Heavyweight has something more interesting than him
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red13n
12/05/18 8:17:16 PM
#180:


#46: Incineroar

This is the first Pokemon to pop up and definitely the character on the list with the most potential to grow on me and rise. But right now, hes filling a big void I wanted filled by a whole bunch of other characters before him. We already had a final starter form dark type. We already had a final starter form Fire type. We didn't need another one. We literally needed a final form grass type, Decidueye was just screaming "this character is for Smash", and instead we get Incineroar. Hell, fucking type aside, we already had a cat Pokemon in Mewtwo. But Decidueye/Lycanroc/Zeraora were my dream and Incineroar crushed that dream. Zangiefcat is probably going to be too slow and lumbering for me to want to play.
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Mewtwo59
12/05/18 8:19:38 PM
#181:


There are many Gen 7 Pokemon that would've been a better choice than Incineroar. Zeraora is not one of them.
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SantaRPidgey
12/05/18 8:21:35 PM
#182:


Man mii fighters are my favorite. Theyve slowly become my most played as over the course of smash 4 and theyre my most hyped for ultimate
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ScareChan
12/05/18 8:21:46 PM
#183:


the incenoroar fan art topic should resolve himof any sins
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NowItsAngeTime
12/05/18 8:28:23 PM
#184:


I like the Incineroar is at least a true grappler by default (like Zangief) instead of like Bowser and DK who are half-grapplers at best
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red13n
12/05/18 8:29:05 PM
#185:


Mewtwo59 posted...
There are many Gen 7 Pokemon that would've been a better choice than Incineroar. Zeraora is not one of them.


I am allowed to have a dream.

I was prepared to main switch to Decidueye for something different though. Zeraora was the "outside shot marketing dream".
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Zigzagoon
12/05/18 8:29:34 PM
#186:


red13n posted...
But Decidueye/Lycanroc/Zeraora were my dream and Incineroar crushed that dream.

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Bane_Of_Despair
12/05/18 8:31:00 PM
#187:


Decidueye would have been way too on the nose and boring

Incineroar is fantastic
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Zigzagoon
12/05/18 8:32:05 PM
#188:


If they even borrowed slightly from Pokken Decidueye would have been the most interesting character on the roster
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Zigzagoon
12/05/18 8:32:42 PM
#189:


His move set in that game is incredible and would transfer very well to smash
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Bane_Of_Despair
12/05/18 8:33:08 PM
#190:


So then just go play Pokken!
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Zigzagoon
12/05/18 8:33:48 PM
#191:


Yeah Ill play it with all of fucking 5 people that even play the game
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ScareChan
12/05/18 8:41:27 PM
#192:


how much is pokken like tekken
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NowItsAngeTime
12/05/18 8:44:50 PM
#193:


ScareChan posted...
how much is pokken like tekken


Not really that much it's more like an arena fighter like Naruto Ultimate Ninja STorm

Especially since you have to switch between 2D and 3D planes constantly
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NFUN
12/05/18 8:48:17 PM
#194:


i think incineroar is a stupid pokemon but in smash he looks fucking hilarious
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NFUN
12/05/18 8:48:48 PM
#195:


also lycanroc and zeraora suck ass
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Waluigi1
12/05/18 8:55:29 PM
#196:


Mewtwo59 posted...
There are many Gen 7 Pokemon that would've been a better choice than Incineroar. Zeraora is not one of them.

Was gonna say this exact thing. Ew.
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Zigzagoon
12/05/18 8:56:11 PM
#197:


No, Zeraora is great, you all suck

Especially NFUN
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Waluigi1
12/05/18 9:08:43 PM
#198:


Don't get me wrong, he looks pretty cool I guess. But I can't stand when companies push certain characters to be popular like they did with Lucario, and this is similar if not worse since they made him a legendary or whatever. Plus I don't like the fact that he was like a weird afterthought? Didn't he not exist until UltraSun/Moon?
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Zigzagoon
12/05/18 9:35:13 PM
#199:


Waluigi1 posted...
Don't get me wrong, he looks pretty cool I guess. But I can't stand when companies push certain characters to be popular like they did with Lucario, and this is similar if not worse since they made him a legendary or whatever. Plus I don't like the fact that he was like a weird afterthought? Didn't he not exist until UltraSun/Moon?

Then you should hate Incineroar because dear god they are trying to push the shit out of him. Waaaay more than they are doing for Zeraora
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Bane_Of_Despair
12/05/18 9:37:28 PM
#200:


Just because Sakurai decided he wanted a grappler wrestler doesn't mean they're pushing Incineroar!
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