Poll of the Day > Mobile Gaming isn't Real Gaming.

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Apparently, I just got modded, because I said "Mobile gaming isn't real gaming!"

It's against the rules.

I suppose gFAQs is in the business of shilling for predatory MTX vehicles.

But what are your thoughts?
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I think complaining about what is and isn't "real gaming" is stupid.
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Is Wii Sports real gaming?
Are sports simulators (like Football Manager) real gaming?
What about fishing games?
VNs?

Gaming has changed definition a lot since early days. I mean, you even have stuff like Night Trap from the 90s that was considered more of an "interactive video experience" kind of thing.
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Joker_X_II posted...

Apparently, I just got modded, because I said "Mobile gaming isn't real gaming!"

Did you say it on the mobile gaming board? 'cuz that would be a paddling

But as is, ya - I agree. Mobile gaming TYPICALLY is not real gaming... TYPICALLY. There are a few real games on phones.

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GanglyKhan posted...

VNs?

Visual Novels are not games, as a whole (some can be... like Long Live the Queen). You have to be able to win/lose for it to be a game.
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Using the term real gamer unironically

Lokarin posted...

Did you say it on the mobile gaming board? 'cuz that would be a paddling

Diablo 3 boards actually.....so I guess they broke their own rules then?
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some of it is like normal gaming, except for the damn microtransactions. the game Marvel Strike Force is actually pretty fun and would be even more amazing, if it was just a normal game. if they took away the micro transactions, got rid of the "campaign energy system" and increased the odds of getting stuff, and put it on a console it could be cool.

Lokarin posted...

Visual Novels are not games, as a whole (some can be... like Long Live the Queen). You have to be able to win/lose for it to be a game.

So under the ruling of win/lose, what about Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon?

I'm not actually arguing you, I just have always found the differences in how people categorize things to be fun.
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GanglyKhan posted...

Lokarin posted...

Visual Novels are not games, as a whole (some can be... like Long Live the Queen). You have to be able to win/lose for it to be a game.

So under the ruling of win/lose, what about Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon?

I'm not actually arguing you, I just have always found the differences in how people categorize things to be fun.

Oh, they're fun. When I say game I mean it in a more literal sense, like game theory - zerosum and so on. Not being a game doesn't negate their fun.
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Lokarin posted...

Oh, they're fun. When I say game I mean it in a more literal sense, like game theory - zerosum and so on. Not being a game doesn't negate their fun.

I'm really slippin up on my clarity today lol

Conversations about this: fun
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GanglyKhan posted...

Lokarin posted...

Oh, they're fun. When I say game I mean it in a more literal sense, like game theory - zerosum and so on. Not being a game doesn't negate their fun.

I'm really slippin up on my clarity today lol

Conversations about this: fun

I don't read good... ellipses... that's why I ask people to clarify things
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Agree. Hate cell phones.
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The topic is still trolling, so I wouldn't be surprised if you got modded again.
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Zeus posted...

The topic is still trolling, so I wouldn't be surprised if you got modded again.

It's not trolling.

Trolling could be anything if it doesn't fit their narrative; it's just the excuse they use to silence disenfranchised gamers.

Silence them, so anyone doing research on their next game will find predatory MTXs to be cultural acceptable by the community overall.

...then gFAQs takes their cut as well.
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Joker_X_II posted...

it's just the excuse they use to silence disenfranchised gamers.

Which is ironic, because you're essentially attempting to disenfranchise more than 50% of the total population of gamers.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

it's just the excuse they use to silence disenfranchised gamers.

Which is ironic, because you're essentially attempting to disenfranchise more than 50% of the total population of gamers.

Ahh! But can you call them real gamers if the game they play isn't even a real game to begin with?

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As has been the case in the past, the mods are wrong. So you're entitled to repost whatever was edited.

Fully agree that mobile gaming isn't real gaming. There's a big difference between a retail game and some free match-3 BS on a 'system' with no actual buttons.
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There are good mobile games, but they cost money upfront and dont sell very well.

The popular stuff is all free to play and is addictive garbage.
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Real gamers? Absolutely.
Core gamers? Obviously not.
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I've never played a mobile game but I won't hate on people who play mobile games.
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Since you're being exclusive to a complete demographic, could you explain what "Real Gaming" is?
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They are technically games, so I disagree. Just because people don't like them or they aren't the best doesn't make them not games. You play them like any other game. They are plenty of games on core consoles that suck. Or suck to some. Doesn't mean they're not games. They're just bad games.
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Is Chess real gaming
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Blighboy posted...

Is Chess real gaming

Is DnD Real Gaming
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DnD is more like fanfiction
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shadowsword87 posted...

...could you explain what "Real Gaming" is?

The ability to take a whole game, that is WHOLE and play through it without complaint or paying for extras. A solid game without paywalls blocking (or grossly extending) progression. A game designed to be a game, and not an obvious vehicle created to milk more money into a game than the game is worth....and pretty much, most mobile games are meant to be exactly that.

Of course this is my clinical definition, as I'm sure there are more articulate definitions out there too.
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Playing games on a telephone... Just... No.
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F2P mobile is gambling plain and simple, they're games of chance with real money on the line disguised as video games. Browser gaming is debatable especially if they're DMM developed games which are almost always not P2W or P2E unlike F2P mobile.
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Joker_X_II posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

...could you explain what "Real Gaming" is?

The ability to take a whole game, that is WHOLE and play through it without complaint

ITT: there are no real games

FourthDimension posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

...could you explain what "Real Gaming" is?

The ability to take a whole game, that is WHOLE and play through it without complaint

ITT: there are no real games

LOL, not since 2010....tbh
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Joker_X_II posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

...could you explain what "Real Gaming" is?

The ability to take a whole game, that is WHOLE and play through it without complaint or paying for extras. A solid game without paywalls blocking (or grossly extending) progression. A game designed to be a game, and not an obvious vehicle created to milk more money into a game than the game is worth....and pretty much, most mobile games are meant to be exactly that.

Of course this is my clinical definition, as I'm sure there are more articulate definitions out there too.

Oh, like Million Onion Hotel.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

...could you explain what "Real Gaming" is?

The ability to take a whole game, that is WHOLE and play through it without complaint or paying for extras. A solid game without paywalls blocking (or grossly extending) progression. A game designed to be a game, and not an obvious vehicle created to milk more money into a game than the game is worth....and pretty much, most mobile games are meant to be exactly that.

Of course this is my clinical definition, as I'm sure there are more articulate definitions out there too.

Oh, like Million Onion Hotel.

*Had to research what that was.

A mobile game that isn't a cash grab is a gem in of itself but doesn't speak to the overall stigma of what mobile gaming has become.

Because even Angry Birds was a solid game in the beginning, and today it's just another MTX cash grab on your phone.
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Joker_X_II posted...

Apparently, I just got modded, because I said "Mobile gaming isn't real gaming!"

It's against the rules.

I suppose gFAQs is in the business of shilling for predatory MTX vehicles.

But what are your thoughts?

Lol. You can't even tell the truth here, let alone an opinion (that probably is the truth). Even if this vote went positive in your favour, your still at the mercy of the mods and their personal opinions influencing their decision to find an infraction to throw you under. Happens to me all the time.
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Joker_X_II posted...

*Had to research what that was.
A mobile game that isn't a cash grab is a gem in of itself but doesn't speak to the overall stigma of what mobile gaming has become.
Because even Angry Birds was a solid game in the beginning, and today it's just another MTX cash grab on your phone.

No, but it does mean that you can't just throw away literally everything about mobile gaming and then pick and chose Real Games.
Almost like it's not as simple as that.
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I feel like a lot of the folks that go on and on about real gaming spend a lot of their time playing call of duty or weaboo upskirt fighting games
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shadowsword87 posted...

No, but it does mean that you can't just throw away literally everything about mobile gaming and then pick and chose Real Games.
Almost like it's not as simple as that.

It is if you take only the mobile games from the past 5 years into account. Like I said, Million Onion Hotel is a "gem" in the genre. Diamond in the Rough, so to speak. You pointed out the outlier that can put some pride on the platform. Outliers point out the variance but doesn't excuse the overall stigma.

Mead posted...

I feel like a lot of the folks that go on and on about real gaming spend a lot of their time playing call of duty or weaboo upskirt fighting games

No they play Frostpunk, or Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, or games from before 2010, when MTXs weren't such a staple design for games.
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Joker_X_II posted...

Ahh! But can you call them real gamers if the game they play isn't even a real game to begin with?

Ahh! But can you consider yourself a real gamer if someone else applies arbitrary rules and assumptions you don't even necessarily agree with to exclude you?

Who gets to be the objective standard bearer that draws the line and tells everyone else to go get fucked?



Joker_X_II posted...

The ability to take a whole game, that is WHOLE and play through it without complaint or paying for extras. A solid game without paywalls blocking (or grossly extending) progression. A game designed to be a game, and not an obvious vehicle created to milk more money into a game than the game is worth....and pretty much, most mobile games are meant to be exactly that.

I'd argue that about 97% of your definition is superfluous bullshit.

And by at least one of my two standard definitions, you're definitely not a real gamer.


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It's mostly predatory gambling in disguise.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Ahh! But can you consider yourself a real gamer if someone else applies arbitrary rules and assumptions you don't even necessarily agree with to exclude you?

Get off your high horse and tell me how much per month you waste on MTXs, and then we can talk about who's a "real gamer"....

Who gets to be the objective standard bearer that draws the line and tells everyone else to go get fucked?

The one who's ahead of the curve and doesn't allow themselves to be taken by predatory MTX practices while glued to their phone....for starters.

I'd argue that about 97% of your definition is superfluous bullshit.

You sound angry.....so I must be 97% correct.

And by at least one of my two standard definitions, you're definitely not a real gamer.

Now you're just being petty because you didn't give an definitions to begin with.
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flawed poll. should be 4 choices.

agree (i play mobile games)
disagree (i play mobile games)
agree
disagree

ofc some mobile "gamers" are going to disagree.
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mobile gaming typically is too much pay me now to pay the game for longer than a couple minutes
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I cant play most mobile games. I dont spend money on them but ill get hooked and spend countless hours on some dumb repetitive incremental game and then be like wtf where did my day go
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Most mobile games last longer per round than the literal quarter munchers I grew up on. That's not even counting the emulation my phone is capable of.

If your argument is that "mobile gaming isn't on the same level as current PC or Console gaming is", I'd concede the point wholeheartedly.

But if you're saying that mobile gaming isn't real gaming when in my lifetime LCD games and tomogotchi were a thing? You're a straight up fool worthy of public mockery. Even half assed mobile titles at this point are exponentially more advanced than things I'd paid for on cartridge back in the og Gameboy era.

Hell, the original Gameboy was 30x more powerful than the computers we'd landed men on the moon and returned them safely to Earth with.

For example, the mobile version of PUBG is arguably better than both the PC and console version at this point.

Is mobile gaming not the forefront of tech and Uber elite? Perhaps not, but to suggest mobile and mobile emus aren't "real" for some reason? It's a foolish argument that anyone whom has owned more than one console or PC should be ashamed to make.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

But if you're saying that mobile gaming isn't real gaming when in my lifetime LCD games and tomogotchi were a thing? You're a straight up fool worthy of public mockery. Even half assed mobile titles at this point are exponentially more advanced than things I'd paid for on cartridge back in the og Gameboy era.

it's not about technology of the hardware, it's about design of the software.

Is the software a "game", or a vehicle designed specifically to milk more money out of you, posing as a game?
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Joker_X_II posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

But if you're saying that mobile gaming isn't real gaming when in my lifetime LCD games and tomogotchi were a thing? You're a straight up fool worthy of public mockery. Even half assed mobile titles at this point are exponentially more advanced than things I'd paid for on cartridge back in the og Gameboy era.

it's not about technology of the hardware, it's about design of the software.

Is the software a "game", or a vehicle designed specifically to milk more money out of you, posing as a game?

That's a bad angle to take honestly. You could point at FIFA, Madden, any number of F2P console games, and a whole mess of others, and make the same comparison. Hell there are even ports of actual mobile games on PS4 and Steam.

Meanwhile there are games like Baldur's Gate, every mainline Final Fantasy through 7, a bunch of Dragon Quest titles, and many many others available on mobile.

I think your argument might be that "F2P, or gacha, games are not real games" not the blanket statement that "mobile games are not real games".
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Joker_X_II posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

But if you're saying that mobile gaming isn't real gaming when in my lifetime LCD games and tomogotchi were a thing? You're a straight up fool worthy of public mockery. Even half assed mobile titles at this point are exponentially more advanced than things I'd paid for on cartridge back in the og Gameboy era.

it's not about technology of the hardware, it's about design of the software.

Is the software a "game", or a vehicle designed specifically to milk more money out of you, posing as a game?

Is it from an SEA Dev? Does it have a gatcha system? Then yeah, no shit it's trying to milk you you stupid gaigin. Is every mobile game shit because a million companies just learned about Skinner boxes? No.

Check out literally any port of an "old-school game", or a butterscotch shenanigans game on mobile. There's a reason BS and Kemco are making bank "reverse-porting" their shit from mobile to handheld/console. And that's ignoring itty-bitty indie devs like square enix and rockstar, perhaps you've heard of them?
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While it is gaming it certainly isn't something most gamers will invest a lot of time into because they are simply not on the same level as games on other formats. The last mobile game I played since Snake years ago was actually Kingdom Hearts UX and that was just to play mini games to unlock a Keyblade for KH 3. I still hate touch screen controls for games.
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Mobile gaming is what happens when you expose the filthy masses to something good.
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Joker_X_II posted...

Get off your high horse and tell me how much per month you waste on MTXs, and then we can talk about who's a "real gamer"....

Absolutely none - the closest I've ever come to playing a mobile game was when I played Nibbles/Snake on my flip-phone 20 years ago. On console I strongly dislike the concept of microtransactions in general and I loathe loot box mechanics, so I generally don't buy games that have them (which is no big loss, because those also tend to be the games with the most grind and the least narrative, which is what I tend to play games for). I'm barely even willing to buy DLC as a whole - the most I've ever technically paid for microtransactions at all is maybe $5 years ago for skins in Borderlands 2 in 2015.

But please, by all means, keep throwing darts in the dark until you manage to hit an ad hominem that actually works.



Joker_X_II posted...

The one who's ahead of the curve and doesn't allow themselves to be taken by predatory MTX practices while glued to their phone....for starters.

But that in itself is a subjective stance, which invalidates any value it has to determine an objective standard.



Joker_X_II posted...

You sound angry.....so I must be 97% correct.

No, I always sound angry. I'm the resident surly curmudgeon. Most of my posts in this thread so far have actually been tinged with disdainful amusement.



Joker_X_II posted...

Now you're just being petty because you didn't give an definitions to begin with.

It's not my topic, and I'm not the one trying to make the assertion that 60% of the people who play games aren't "real" gamers.

Though if you want to know which particular metric you're failing at, it's this one - "Real gamers don't make topics complaining about other people not being real gamers, because real gamers are too busy, you know, playing games to care."

There's tons of games out there you've never played. Why not go play one now? You'd probably be a lot happier than you are when all you're really doing is seething and ranting to total strangers about how much of an affront it is that 700 million people might consider themselves gamers but play games you don't personally approve of.


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If I play knights of the old republic or ff7 on my phone am I real gaming or fake gaming?