Board 8 > Character Battle X Contest Analysis Crew - Part 2

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2010 the best one imo
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Charifraud won his division because of the HGSS release

Also Cloud surprisingly didn't get crushed in the finals

The Mana Sword posted...

2010 is the least memorable for me. I couldnt tell you a single thing that happened in that contest aside from Missingno

Snake defeated Sephiroth, Charizard won a division, Squall cemented himself as the best Square near elite and Sonic got around the same percentage on Link as Luigi
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Ultimately 2008 just played out a lot like 2007 minus some of the fun gimmicks like GAME FUEL and L-Block, and it was immediately after 2007, so it was less memorable.

I probably liked it more as a contest than most of the ones I didn't list though. I'll take it over 2004 and 2013 all day. Probably 2010 too.
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I feel like 2008 just had fewer good matches and unexpected results in general.

People also got in every Smash character under the sun that year so it kinda diluted the field a bit, too.
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Also I remember in 2010 I showed my mom the first division and she would have had a perfect bracket in that division aside from picking Drake despite not knowing who half of the characters were

I unironically think the Pokemon contest idea would be fun for 2019
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Round 1 Phoenix Wright vs. Chris Redfield

Moltars Analysis

This may have been a debatable match many years ago, but now Phoenix has risen up in strength to become a midcarder. He might not show I beat Vincent in 2013 strength in this match, but he shouldnt have any trouble with high fodder like Chris.

Moltars Bracket: Phoenix

Moltars Prediction: Phoenix 60%

transiences Analysis

I'm a big believer in Phoenix Wright. Well, a fan too, but in terms of his growth as a contest character. Phoenix is one of the very few characters that came out since gamefaqs started running contests that has really broken through. He's 13 years old now and I think he's become a pretty well-known household name. The people left on gamefaqs are huge fans of his, and those people get double votes. Chris Redfield is.. fine?, and maybe more mainstream, but on this website I think that might even be a negative.

Godot didn't give me a lot of room to believe, but obviously he's a mile away from Phoenix. I think he works Chris pretty easily.

transience's prediction: Phoenix with 60.01%

Leonharts Analysis

Phoenix Wright has come a long way since being the guy who broke GFNW in 2006. He did really well in CBIX, easily dispatching Marth and even beating Vincent (Vega) Valentine, which is still a big deal, pic sabotage or not. Keep in mind that this was before Dual Destinies had even come out (although it had been announced at this point), so now Phoenix has new games and even an anime (which probably isnt worth anything, but hey, might as well mention it!). In the past, Phoenix has had to deal with people not knowing who he is, but in 2018, thats no longer a problem here, I think.

My only memory of Chris Redfield as I was analyzing the bracket was him losing to Pyramid Head in 2007 with an awful picture. I totally forgot that he actually won a match in 2010! I bring up the bad picture because hes got another doozy for this match, too. While Leon Kennedy looked good, I just dont think Chris has the same staying power because RE5 aint RE4. I dont think Phoenix will blow him out or anything, but I dont think the result will ever be in doubt here.

Leonharts Vote: Phoenix Wright

Leonharts Prediction: Phoenix Wright with 54.44%
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Kleenexs Analysis

Years ago, Phoenix wasnt worth a whole lot. Over time, hes grown into something of a respectable character in regards to GameFAQs contests. Hes not elite or anything, and not even really a midcarder, but hes ascended beyond fodder, which is great. Admittedly, he has yet to win a 1v1 match, but still. Chris, on the other hand, has always looked like ass. He might be from a popular series, but he still suffers from generic dude syndrome, and hes pretty far down the totem pole of Resident Evil characters this site cares about. This should be a good shot for Phoenix to finally snag a 1v1 win he deserves.

https://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8479582

(I cant believe this site still exists)

Guests Analysis - DoctorJimmy133

I immediately picked Phoenix to win here and didn't give it a second thought before the deadline. The best character Chris Redfield has ever outplaced is Captain MacMillan. Nick at least has a win over Marth, and has even defeated Vincent Valentine in court, apparently.

Going by the 2010 results, Cloud/Chris and Sephiroth/Marth had nearly the exact same percentages, which would imply that Chris is slightly stronger than Marth, perhaps putting him in range of Wright. We've also seen Leon Kennedy beat most people's expectations against Dragonborn, so Resident Evil probably hasn't fallen off. Plus, Feenie isn't exactly a powerhouse, so he's not going to grab a huge blowout against anyone.

Though there are reasons for Chris to not suck, there's no concrete reason for him to win. A lot of little things seem to go in Nick's favor. Since their last contest, Chris's main appearance has been the maligned Resident Evil 6, while the Barbed One has had well-received main series games and ports. The registered user bonus has got to favor our beloved lawyer a little bit. I don't see why the trend of the last few years would favor RE over AA.

A really important point is that the way the poll doesn't show anyone's full name could screw over poor Chris. Look what happened to "Sully" and "James" at the hands of their attractive anime opponents. They didn't just lose to obscure characters they got wiped. Voters who aren't familiar with RE will only see some dude named Chris with a gun. He can't even make up for it with an iconic appearance like Leon or Jill Leon has his funny hair and Jill will have her beret. Chris doesn't even look all that cool in his render. Nick, meanwhile, has such a vivid and appealing picture that just looking at it makes you hear "Objection!" as whatever tune is bouncing around in your head grinds to a halt. Forcing readers to vote in every match means apathy votes will heavily go toward Wrighto. The "First Name Factor" could seriously turn Chris into a Generic McDude next to Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney.

Wright wins with 60.58%

Confidence: 90%

Crew Consensus: Phoenix objects to Chris
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LeonhartFour posted...

I think they should just let OoT into GotD2 since they released the 3DS version a few years ago

hahah that was a good one!!!!! gj guy
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The Mana Sword posted...

contest contest. heres a bracket

(1) Games 2004
(16) Rivalry Rumble

(8) Characters 2008
(9) Characters 2006

(4) Characters 2007
(13) Villains

(5) Game of the Decade
(12) Games 2009

(3) Characters 2005
(14) Series

(6) Characters 2003
(11) Characters 2010

(2) Characters 2002
(15) Characters 2013

(7) Games 2015
(10) Characters 2004

best year gets snubbed sorry

Round 1:

1) Games 2004
9) Characters 2006

4) Characters 2007
5) Game of the Decade

3) Characters 2005
6) Characters 2003

2) Characters 2002
7) Games 2015

Quarterfinals:

1) Games 2004
5) Game of the Decade

6) Characters 2003
2) Characters 2002

Semis:

5) Game of the Decade
2) Characters 2002

Finals:

2) Characters 2002 is your grand champion
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SuperNiceDog posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

I think they should just let OoT into GotD2 since they released the 3DS version a few years ago

hahah that was a good one!!!!! gj guy

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KamikazePotato posted...

GotD was a great contest but I hated the result of every debatable match in that thing. I think Golden Sun was the only brief spot sunshine in that debacle. And yeah, the winner was embarrassing considering the intent of the contest.

As if Brawl would've been a less embarrassing winner. Or even FFX for that matter.

The real GOTD was Resident Evil 4 anyway.
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Master Moltar posted...

Phoenix is one of the very few characters that came out since gamefaqs started running contests that has really broken through. He's 13 years old now and I think he's become a pretty well-known household name.

Who's the strongest post 2002 character anyway? Kratos, Glados, Amaterasu, and maybe Geralt are the possibilities I can think of?
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Geralt would like as strong as Dragonborn why is everyone getting so hyped up he's not getting past Hayabusa.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

As if Brawl would've been a less embarrassing winner. Or even FFX for that matter.

shut up

Mac Arrowny posted...

Who's the strongest post 2002 character anyway? Kratos, Glados, Amaterasu, and maybe Geralt are the possibilities I can think of?

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Also, I wish I had gone higher on Phoenix, but Kleenex using that old Objection site to post his prediction cracked me up.
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Explain to me why Majora's Mask is an objectively worse choice for Game of the Decade than Brawl or Final Fantasy X. Majora's Mask is far less hated than FFX is.

I mean, if you're going to suggest something like Mass Effect or BioShock or Resident Evil 4 or even freaking Shadow of the Colossus, but out of what GameFAQs likes most, Majora's Mask seems like a solid choice.
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cause april 2000 counts as the previous decade of course
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The first thing I remember about 2008 is Magus losing to Sandbag...

Then Kirby's run I think.
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Round 1 Ike vs. Joel

Moltars Analysis

Ike is...okay. Hes not strong, but still decent high-fodder. Joel is a western character with unknown strength, which usually doesnt translate very well in these contests. People may like Last of Us, but the site usually doesnt care about the normal mcdudes in the game.

Ike though? Anime design? Playable in Smash? GameFAQs all over that.

Moltars Bracket: Ike

Moltars Prediction: Ike 65%

transiences Analysis

Joel's an interesting case. He obviously loses here, but I'm curious to see how he does. Maybe if he could face someone without a built-in fanbase like Nintendo, he could put up a decent result. The Last of Us was surprisingly decent last contest. That sounds wrong -- it should obviously be good given its universal accolades. But on this site, it's notable.

But he's facing someone who's pure Nintendo and won't hold up. This could get ugly. I'll be eagerly comparing this performance to Phoenix's because that's a good round 2 match.

transience's prediction: Ike with 61.42%

Leonharts Analysis

I honestly think Ike has been a bit overvalued in these things. He did really well in 2007 on the heels of being the first new character announced for Brawl (back when that mattered), and hes underperformed relative to expectations in each contest since while getting to hide behind SFF/LFF to mask his real strength (or lack thereof). It wont matter much here, but it might come into play next round.

I dont know what to think of Joel here. The Last of Us did really well for a newer game in 2015, so its possible Joel and Ellie could both be decent. Despite only being known by a relatively common name with no last name, I dont know that itll hurt him too much because hes got a pretty recognizable look. Id be pretty stunned if he won, but I think he can manage to look respectable in defeat.

Leonharts Vote: Ike

Leonharts Prediction: Ike with 59.35%

Kleenexs Analysis

I get that The Last of Us is pretty well liked, and it did well in the GotY poll it was in, but its still not a game thats really in GameFAQss wheelhouse. I dont think theres a lot of difference between this and Uncharted here, and I think Joel suffers from the same issue as a few other characters weve seen so far - hes just a regular looking dude. Theres nothing striking about him if you havent played his game, hes just some guy named Joel. I dont think Ike has always punched at what I think his theoretical weight should be, but given the Nintendo surge weve seen, I have a tough time seeing Joel being able to make much headway in this match.

Kleenexs Prediction: Ike with 61%

Guests Analysis - Hbthebattle

Joel's capabilities are most similar to Nathan Drake, so let's compare use him for comparisons. Nathan Drake is not a historically good performer, but arguably neither is Ike. Ike has generally been the better of the two. Let's check the X-Stats. Using 2013 data, it predicts an Ike victory with 56.31% of the vote. But, things have changed a lot in 5 years. For one, the popularity of Fire Emblem has skyrocketed, and Ike is the most popular FE character by far. In 2017, Ike won the Fire Emblem Choose your Legends on the male side, while being held down by having two versions of himself in the poll. With both added together, he's easily the most popular character in a franchise that has only become more popular thanks to Fire Emblem Heroes's massive success. Joel has a new game on the horizon, but he hasn't been seen in it. I believe Ike will easily prevail.

Ike- 62.4%

Crew Consensus: We like Ike
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Mac Arrowny posted...

Master Moltar posted...

Phoenix is one of the very few characters that came out since gamefaqs started running contests that has really broken through. He's 13 years old now and I think he's become a pretty well-known household name.

Who's the strongest post 2002 character anyway? Kratos, Glados, Amaterasu, and maybe Geralt are the possibilities I can think of?

Lol more like which is least suckiest, since they all suck a**.

Other possibilities:
Shepard - looked decent in 2013 although I don't know if Andromeda killing the series will hurt him
2B - Square + TJF + well received game?
Shulk/Inklings/FE (smash team) - we saw what happened to Ridley
Some BotW char like Mipha maybe - Midna and Groose both bombed though
Cappy?
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wow we're all the same. I thought someone would go Ike with 70 or so because that feels more like a gamefaqs kind of result.
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it might happen but like I said I don't totally believe in Ike

of course he could crush anyway because Joel's just that weak but we'll see
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as we all said, we dont really believe in Joel. it makes kinda sense that hed get blown up.
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well yeah he's going to lose and it's not going to be close

giving Ike a low percentage is more of a statement of how I feel about him than Joel
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I expect him to get thoroughly blown up if for no other reason than his picture is really offputting because of the poor editing job.
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People have weird perceptions of what a midcarder is. Like if Phoenix and Ike aren't then who is? They easily pass the Pac-man test
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Pac-Man test means you aren't fodder.

Lowcarder are your Phoenixes and Ikes. Characters that will beat trash but can't really be counted on in any sort of debatable match.
Midcarders are more like your Yunas and Alucards. Characters that could be humored for big upsets in the right years, but generally are below the elite level.

I'd say with the x-stats mindset on that lowcarder percentage on Base Link is like 20-25 and Midcarder is like 25-30. Of course what those numbers actually mean varies on the year but you know what I mean.
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Well, "midcarder" is a pretty wide range (just like "fodder" is), which is why we've generally had a "low midcarder" and "high midcarder" designation, too.
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So Elites are 30 and above I guess?
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I mean those numbers are just arbitrary and calibrated to like 2006 Link or something. Whatever stats my mind is thinking of.

I'd say upper carders would be 30-35 and elites would be 35+ using this scale. I'd only call a character elite if you could reasonably advocate for them beating a lower noble niner like Sonic or Crono. I would say each character's striking distance is probably within one tier of themselves, with Link of course being on his own tier above the NNers.

But that might just be me. I'm just explaining the distinctions I make when reading them.
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Lopen posted...

I think League of Legends would be a tepid low carder nowadays. Seems like it's been around long enough and has enough of a following to be not fodder but the hype train on that thing feels way in the rear mirror.

Nothing we'd need to see though I agree

We'll see soon enough; Draven got into this bracket, as was to be expected of the defending champion.

I'm hoping that he does bomb out; it feels like any time a character has a "run", we're stuck with them forever. L-Block still hasn't gone away, and given their recent performances I think Magus-Vincent needs to be a Loser Leaves Town match.
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Yuna is a 50-50 match with Ike and Phoenix. Shes getting really overrated recently.
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I can give you two words as to why Lopen in particular is overrating Yuna

Master Chief
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L-Block was a c hampion and lost to Kefka.
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Also Alucard is a high midcarder. He's not going to struggle next round.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Also Alucard is a high midcarder. He's not going to struggle next round.

Eh, that's giving Peach a bit too much credit.

Alucard at his peak was a high midcarder, but he ain't giving Kirby a fight anymore.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I can give you two words as to why Lopen in particular is overrating Yuna

Master Chief

Sad to say but the Master Chief hype train is done my dude. I think Chief is back to being a low carder. I'd take Yuna to beat him fairly easily this year.
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LeonhartFour posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Also Alucard is a high midcarder. He's not going to struggle next round.

Eh, that's giving Peach a bit too much credit.

Alucard at his peak was a high midcarder, but he ain't giving Kirby a fight anymore.

Alucard isn't gonna get anywhere near Kirby in this contest
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Chief at this point is probably high fodder. I don't think he passes the Pac-man test easily at all.

I dont necessarily have Peach respect. Just Alucard respect. He went even with Falcon, who punked Riku who is probably even with Yuna.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

The Mana Sword posted...

2010 is the least memorable for me. I couldnt tell you a single thing that happened in that contest aside from Missingno

Snake defeated Sephiroth, Charizard won a division, Squall cemented himself as the best Square near elite and Sonic got around the same percentage on Link as Luigi

Also X managed to get roughly the same percentage on Link that Classic got in 2004, and Dante vs. Ryu had trends that blatantly correlated to the status of the men's Olympic Hockey Finals (Dante getting off to an early lead during the game, Ryu making brief cuts during the intermissions and making the comeback once the game ended).
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Well, if you're giving Alucard high midcarder respect, you're showing some respect to Peach.

Yuna would punk Riku, too. Keep in mind that this fraud Charizard doubled him in 2013.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

Master Moltar posted...

Phoenix is one of the very few characters that came out since gamefaqs started running contests that has really broken through. He's 13 years old now and I think he's become a pretty well-known household name.

Who's the strongest post 2002 character anyway? Kratos, Glados, Amaterasu, and maybe Geralt are the possibilities I can think of?

Probably Ammy, maybe Kratos. Ammy's got that streak of never losing in Round 1, which is nice.

Although if you're counting Phoenix as a character that came out after GameFAQs started running contests (first Japanese release date October 12, 2001 for the GBA; North American release four years later to the day on the DS), you also have to count Sora since Kingdom Hearts didn't make its North American debut until September 17, 2002, sixteen days after the end of CBI, though the game came out in Japan in March of 2002.

Me, I'm not really sure which way to go on that debate. Lightning's 2010 appearance suggests that not having your game released outside of Japan yet isn't necessarily a stumbling block to getting into a bracket, but on the other hand, using NA release dates means that Ammy not only hasn't lost in Round 1, but also hasn't missed a contest since her game debuted (using Japanese release dates means her absence in 2006 disqualifies her from this status), and I kind of like that statistic.

But yeah, if Sora counts, then definitely Sora. If Sora doesn't count, I'd say Amaterasu, with Kratos a close second.
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Safer_777 posted...

L-Block was a c hampion and lost to Kefka.

Yeah, but Kefka is a proven commodity. Sort of. Okay fine Kefka's results are completely insane when taken in the context of today's environment, because his very first match was a win over a character that would probably beat a bunch of characters Kefka's lost to (Vercetti, Marcus, Niko, maybe even Diablo.) Not a strong character, granted, but strong enough--or rather, iconic enough--to beat those guys. But those are all old results, and Kefka's recent results suggest that he's stronger than he was back when he was a salad.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Keep in mind that this fraud Charizard doubled him in 2013.

Not necessarily. Charizard could've been a more legitimate businessman in 2013.
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any businessman who needs Donkey Kong to win a match isn't on the up and up

Either way I don't have much respect for Riku's strength. He has one good match in 2006 fresh off of KH2, and he hasn't looked that great ever since. I picked Bayonetta to beat him (Crew spoilers) not because I think Bayonetta is that good but because I think Riku is that bad.
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DK hurt Charizard there as much as he hurt Zelda.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

DK hurt Charizard there as much as he hurt Zelda.

all anyone ever says is how much Pokemon resists LFF better than anything else Nintendo

but now Donkey Kong of all characters hurts Charizard as much as Zelda
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Zelda's always been pretty good with LFF too though. I could see it being about equal just because they're both good at it.
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