Board 8 > What this board think of Rogue One?

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Saw it for the first time two weeks ago and was really disappointed. Between this being a reshoot-addled mess and Solo being mismanaged so badly, I feel as if the spin-off movies are more emblematic about the franchise's troubles nowadays than the mainline films.
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It was very good
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It was the best movie so far tbh
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I thought it was the best Star Wars film out of the latest four released these past few years (although I might be a tad biased as a fan of Felicity Jones). I would give it something like 7.8/10, apparently the exact same score as the IMDB weighted average.
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I thought it was the best of the Disney movies

It was a Star War
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I walked out of the theater feeling the same way I did walking out after Phantom Menace - that it was flawed, but still a really great movie.

And after the newness and hype wore off, I m feel the same way about it as I feel about Phantom Menace after the newness and hype of that movie wore off.
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It's really good, some pacing issues in the first act, but the third act is the best material the franchise has ever produced.

And reshoots are not inherently bad. In the case of Rogue One by all accounts the reshoots significantly improved the film, mainly by tightening up the third act which everybody agrees is the best part of the film. While the reshoots were extensive, they weren't that crazy, mostly character stuff and structural changes to the last act.
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I just personally thought the editing was amazingly poor for such a big blockbuster. I have no problems with people liking the film - in fact, I understand why - but I was just really let down.

I would probably give Rogue One like a 6.2/10 or something. That puts it on around the same level of quality for me as the likes of Willow, The Golden Child, and Alien 3. And yet this film has a vastly higher Rotten Tomatoes score. What gives?
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It was my least favorite of the newer movies (haven't seen solo yet).
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Willow was awesome too
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less bad than 7 or 8 by far, but still subpar

neonreaper posted...

Willow was awesome too

Okay I totally admit I get why it has a following. Didn't think it was a good movie per se, but I was glad I saw it.

Though maybe Gene Siskel naming it one of the ten worst movies of 1988 made me go in with low expectations.
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it was pretty good.
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Good, probably too many characters in the main crew

But really very good
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I liked it a lot personally, but I felt as if it was the type of movie that most people wouldn't enjoy as much as I did. all that being said every time I think about rewatching it I decide not to because I can't think of any good reason why I'd want to spend time watching a movie that will just make me sad/depressed at the end.
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Pretty damn good first time
Pretty meh at rewatch
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neonreaper posted...

Willow was awesome too

If you re not down with Mad Mardigan I'm not down with you.
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It's the only one of the new 4 movies I really enjoyed.
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It was okay. Best of the newest movies (though I haven't seen Solo and probably won't).

I thought most all the characters except blind jedi were unlikable.
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Didn't like it. Action was fine I guess, but I didn't care at all about the characters. I couldn't even tell you their names. It also played a little too gritty for a Star Wars movie, so I wasn't a fan of the tone.
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It was quite fun, better than Solo. And I do love the ending and how uhh fatalistic it is.
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Really bad.

It's amazing people want so badly not to hate Star Wars anymore we accept boring blockbusters as good films.

I had a lot of problems with Force Awakens, but it was definitely the more entertaining experience.
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i thought it was just alright but i have a new appreciation for it after watching TLJ a few times
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It's a fantastic movie with one of the most badass Darth Vader moments in history

And Jyn best girl
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AquaArcane posted...

It's a fantastic movie with one of the most badass Darth Vader moments in history

"I hope you don't choke on your aspirations!"

- Vader, to a guy he is Force Choking
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I forget everything but Vader & Leia which were cool

but then the whole idea of the movie guts Kyle Katarn from the universe so fuck rogue one
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I've never watched a movie clip more than I've watched Vader corridor.

In fact I think I'll watch it again. It's just so good.
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Good but the characters were aggressively forgettable.
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Worst Stsr Wars movie
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My other big issue with this film was the abundance of talking head scenes. It's almost like this film learned nothing from the prequels.

A shame, because I did really like the insight this film provided into the rebellion beyond what we see in the original trilogy. I feel like that's the main reason why many fans consider this to be the best out of the new ones though, and even there I felt as if this film is a missed opportunity. Starship Troopers is a better movie about a space military IMO.
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Solo > Rogue One > 8 > 7

I like them all but out of all of them only Solo really captures the feeling of adventure and fun that the original movies had. Rogue One is doing something completely different on purpose but is really good. I like 8 and 7 a lot more than the prequels but really they're just "pretty good."
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Saving Private Ryan via Star Wars.

I enjoyed it.
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Loved it

Hell yeah that Darth Vader Hallway scene at the end was my favorite thing ever
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It feels like a Star Wars movie starring someone's random D&D party where only one or two people are even roleplaying

idk. I didn't hate it but it wasn't great

Good movie, barring the CGI at the tail end.
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Also the one fight scene in the city involving the tank and the way the climax shifted between all those perspectives while Jyn made her way to the radio tower brought MGS4 to mind.
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I liked it. The more distance I have from it, the more issues I have though. I guess the biggest ones I have are weak characterization. Cassian was really bland and generic, but I did kinda like Jyn Erso. She needed a bit more though. The other friends were cool but also could have used just a touch more personality.

Saw Gerrara needed to be a bit more thought out and he could have been a really iconic character. Instead hes just a a weirdo who is in the movie for 5 minutes.

Also this was billed as more of a heist movie to steal the death star plans... but it turns into a giant big budget space battle at the end. Even though the last act is the best part, I'm not a fan of this. Every big budget movie feels like it needs to be a giant action scene at the end, but they could have done something a lot more interesting. Especially since they had a core group of 6 specialists to base a heist around.

Lastly, where were the bothans?

All in all, I think this movie would have been better if they had taken more time to develope it, instead of rushing to produce something as soon as they got the rights. They said recently they are going to slow down on releasing more movies, so hopefully that improves their approach. The problem they have isn't that they are making too many Star Wars movies, the problem is that hey are pushing out movies without really fully thinking them through or why the movie should even be made.
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CoolCly posted...

Lastly, where were the bothans?

Ive seen this question asked both in jest and in earnest enough times that I can never tell which is which, so just in case this is the latter Ill go ahead and point out that that was the other Death Star.
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Jyn felt like a complete nobody to me. You could argue that Luke in the first movie didn't have much characterization either, but he was supposed to come across as an everyman going on an archetypal hero's journey. Though I hate to sound so negative because it's not like this movie was terrible or anything. I didn't feel it was as boring as something like Independence Day or Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, as much of a poorly-written mess as Event Horizon, or as headache-inducing as Jurassic World. And I don't even think those movies are particularly bad.

In hindsight, I think what I perceived to be a particularly poor editing choice got me off on the wrong foot - when Saw Gerrera (the Forest Whitaker character) finds young Jyn in her hiding spot after her mom got killed (a scene which I couldn't help but compare unfavorably to Inglorious Basterds), then smash cut to the title and then to an adult Jyn in an Imperial prison. The scenes just didn't flow into each other well at all to me. However, I can realize how such a minor detail would not be likely to throw many off so quickly. Fine.

I guess it probably doesn't help that I had seen Chris Stuckmann's video essay on Rogue One a number of times before seeing the film itself, and having not really been interested in the film until recently due to being in a Star Wars phase (due to me watching the original trilogy much faster than I typically watch movies in the same series and taking an especially huge liking to The Empire Strikes Back).

I agree that the climax was the apex of the film, however the way it was staged just made it seem like a stock video game mission. I suppose you could argue the same thing about blowing up the Death Star, but the whole first movie was more focused in this regard about blowing up the Death Star. Plus the video game industry was in its infancy when the first Star Wars came out so you couldn't really make the comparison at the time.

The underlying premise is solid and did keep me hooked to a degree though. And the action scenes were enjoyable.
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you know who would've been a great character for rogue one

kyle fucking katarn

god damn disney
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CoolCly posted...

The problem they have isn't that they are making too many Star Wars movies, the problem is that hey are pushing out movies without really fully thinking them through or why the movie should even be made.

This more or less. However that seems to apply mostly to the spin-offs. Many people use The Last Jedi as the symbol for everything wrong with modern Star Wars, and it's doubtful that this approach would prevent that from happening.
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Pretty easily the worst of the new Star Wars movies. The characters were forgettable and the plot was just bland until the final segment. Which was INCREDIBLE but the whole movie should have had that tone instead of pretending to be a normal Star Wars for the first 2/3rds.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

CoolCly posted...

The problem they have isn't that they are making too many Star Wars movies, the problem is that hey are pushing out movies without really fully thinking them through or why the movie should even be made.

This more or less. However that seems to apply mostly to the spin-offs. Many people use The Last Jedi as the symbol for everything wrong with modern Star Wars, and it's doubtful that this approach would prevent that from happening.

I think without Rogue One and Solo, a lot more thought would have been put into the godawful Finn and Poe storylines in TLJ.
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Like my general belief is - instead of focusing on making these main trilogy movies as good as they can possibly be, they said "lets make them and also try to push out some side stories at the same time"

So the result is that the side movies are half baked, AND that they put less love into the main movies than they could or should have.

I think TFA wasn't too hurt by this as it actually was their focus at the time, but was hurt a little, and TLJ was hurt a LOT.
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I liked it. It's hard to compare to the main storylines because it lacks a lot of the force aspect. But, I thought it was good. The beginning was a tad boring but it had to set itself up. End was sweet.

Much better than Solo.
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The sad part about TLJ is you could remove Finn and Rose from the movie entirely and you'd end up with a better movie. A bad fate for characters to endure.

RO was fine, though disjointed at times.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

It feels like a Star Wars movie starring someone's random D&D party where only one or two people are even roleplaying

Have you read Darths and Droids by any chance? The later parts get dumb as they build their own alternate mythology, but that doesn't really start until they get to Episode 2.

http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0001.html
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Meow1000 posted...

The sad part about TLJ is you could remove Finn and Rose from the movie entirely and you'd end up with a better movie. A bad fate for characters to endure.

RO was fine, though disjointed at times.

I actually didn't think the casino scenes were that much of a low point of the film, however to me they were emblematic of the main its main problems - the film switching between two or three different plotlines that only marginally affect each other (not the first movie I've seen with that problem, hello Batman Returns!) and then just feeling plain padded. How many climaxes can you have, movie? What is this, Lord of the Rings? Except there we had a good idea of the characters' objectives and motivations and the stakes, whereas for The Last Jedi those are all murky - all because the prequels were lambasted for having too much exposition so can't have any of that lest fans complain! Doesn't help that Rogue One actually did have that problem.

Part of me feels like the current trilogy is built largely on avoiding criticisms of previous installments to the detriment of their actual quality. This may be a reason for Lucasfilm's seeming meltdown and attacks on fans - they mostly used fan input on previous films to make the new movies, and now they don't have any clue what the fans want so they just decide that they're scum. Or worse, racist and sexist! Which they kind of are in a way, but attacking your own customers is still hardly a great idea.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

It feels like a Star Wars movie starring someone's random D&D party where only one or two people are even roleplaying

Hahaha

This is kinda perfect

I guess I sorta like it but that I even somewhat agree with this statement should tell you something about how much

Still the best of the Disney movies though
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