Board 8 > Why have one Danganronpa V3 playthrough topic when you can have two? *SPOILERS*

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I bought this game at launch last September, and romped right on through Case 2 of the game in a matter of a few days. Then life happened, and the game was put on the shelf for a while. Here Comes Super Mario Odyssey a few weeks later, and suddenly it is long-forgotten.

Fast-forward to August of this year. For some reason, I get this sudden urge to find Danganronpa 2 Let's Plays on YouTube and binge them while playing other games or working from home in the background. I discover this guy John Wolfe, who has been playing the first and second game on his channel with his wife, and they have a great dynamic going. I finish up DR2, and lo and behold, he states that he'll be doing DRv3 as well, starting in September. Well shit, it's like the middle of September now, let's see here, oh my god, he's at the second case right now. Guess it's a sign.

So I have spent the last two weeks re-watching the first 2 cases to get re-acquainted with the situation. This topic will begin at the end of the second case. Anything beyond this post will contain spoilers for everything up until that point.
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ok
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Fuckin' taaaaaaaaaaag.
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While I was still watching the downtime in Chapter 2, I thought maybe I should boot up my game and see who all I spent free time with so I could maybe look up what those free time events entailed, and first, I see that my last save data was made on October 8th of last year, so basically a full year's absence here. Second, I'm greeted with the end of the earth and that we're all heading into Maki's Lab Room, which I remembered clearly being not a Child Caregiver room because of how suspicious she was being, but beyond that, I had absolutely no recollection of context for this whatsoever. So I quickly turned it off.

I was fairly certain I spent at least 3 of my initial Shuichi Free Times with Ryoma, so I went ahead and watched those until they weren't ringing any bells anymore. Sure enough, his backstory hit home immediately, and I was reminded why I was so upset when his death was revealed. Then he started going into why he took down the mafia and that was definitely not something I'd seen before, but I guess I know it now! Oh well. Not gonna try and look up anyone else's, since this fanbase is so fucking bad at spoilers.

Anyway, as a heads-up, SD's topic is super in-depth on events and dialogue. I'm not too interested in keeping a log, per se, but what I am interested in providing here are current theories and opinions on how things are going. First up, I'll be giving my current ranking of characters.....
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1. Maki
It may be part recency bias, but even before the revelation that she was the ultimate assassin, I found her fascinating. There are a select few Ultimates that I consider smart in this game, and she is definitely one of them. I also really like her design, and her sprite where her face gets real dark so her eyes can shine might be my favorite in the game so far.

2. Ryoma
His death might've hit me harder than anyone else's in the series so far on this side of Nagito. And Chiaki. And maybe Sakura. OK so maybe he's like top 5, but that's pretty impressive for a throwaway Case 2 victim. He kinda seemed like a generic mysterious bad boy at first, but he was really good at reading people and had plenty of wisdom to impart on everyone.

3. Korekiyo
I honestly have no idea what to expect with Kiyo. He's so fucking weird and I know there has to be more than meets the eye with him, but fuck if I know what it is. He mentioned his sister out of the blue once in passing, not even during a Free Time, so I'm sure that comes into play somewhere. When I resume the game, he is probably gonna be my top priority for Free Time.

4. Kaede
Man, she was such a breath of fresh air for a DR protagonist. So bubbly, outgoing, caring, and carefree...

5. Shuichi
Then shit happens and we're stuck with Makoto 2.0 now. At least, that's what I would've said before the second trial, but I remember getting a back route toward the end, where he busts out this ridiculous bluff with Kirumi being the only one involved with the magic act who had a room on the second floor, and I'm just like WHERE WAS THIS BEFORE, MR. "COULD THIS INNER TUBE IN THE POOL THAT WASN'T THERE A DAY AGO BE RELATED TO LAST NIGHT'S MURDER?" He got off to a super slow start, but if that last trial was any indication, he has a lot of room to move up on my list.

6. Keebo
I love Keebo. He's not really important and he doesn't have a very big role, but I think he's adorable.

7. Kirumi
Out of the entire cast, I feel like she was probably the most intelligent of them all. Her input in the first trial was great, and I was hoping to get more of that through the game. Welp.

8. Kaito
I like his archetype. The bull-headed guy who has good intentions, but no meaningful way to contribute them, so he just kinda cheers from the sidelines. I also like his design and the voice direction. But he got pushed on me a little too much in Case 2, so now I'm just kinda tired of him. Hopefully he doesn't take up the spotlight much longer.
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9. Kokichi
I know every killing game needs its own dissenter, but he's definitely my least favorite of the bunch so far. It was always tough trying to predict motives from Byakuya and Nagito, but Kokichi is super easy to read pretty much all the time. I do like that he's basically a human lie detector in trials, but never actually tells the rest of the class when he finds one.

10. Gonta
What a precious little sunflower he is. Which means he's probably going to end up killing someone on accident or something and my heart is going to break.

11. Rantaro
It wouldn't be a Danganronpa game if the first victim wasn't the last person you wanted it to be. I wanted to know more about him so bad, and yet here we are, two cases into the game, and we know absolutely nothing. I'm sure there will be way more where that came from by the time I get to the very end, but as it is, I just kinda have to throw him squarely into the "meh" camp.

By the way, if you've been keeping track at home, the bottom 5 are all girls who are currently alive!

........ *sigh*

12. Miu
I'm amazed that someone like this can exist, even in a fictional world. How does she still have enough self-esteem to maintain the bitchy facade? How did no one decide to constantly push back and make her a complete sub yet? Whatever, she's still somewhat entertaining. Her Tarzan yell in the second trial made me laugh more than it realistically should have.

13. Himiko
Pre-case 2, I probably had her in my top 5. Being too lazy to breathe is something I can relate to on a personal level. But wow did case 2 not do her any favors. When writing DRv3, they must've just played Apollo Justice and been like BRILLIANT. I'm sure everyone will be able to further relate to someone who prioritizes people believing she can perform strange feats over everyone in her class continuing to live!

14. Angie
I have never been into the whole religious nut archetype, but Angie's not too bad. She has taken control of trials to spur on discussion, and not in a THAT'S NOT KYOKO THAT'S A GHOST Yasuhiro kind of way, either. Somehow NYAHAHAHA isn't the most annoying laugh in the game.

15. Tenko
And here I thought the DR2 cast was too one-dimensional. I get it. You're a lesbian man-hater, you can say other words now. At least she has funny sprites, and tries to be helpful occasionally.

16. Tsumugi
You just need to get out of my game already, because you are ruining it. You have absolutely nothing whatsoever to contribute to this story. You have one role, ever, and that is to point out when someone is doing something strange or making a reference. "I don't think that's something you should be this excited about." "lol Death Note reference whoamg" "I'm just so plain plain plain plain plain PLAIN PLAIN PLAIN" GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU ARE NOT HELPING

Super Special Last Place: Monokids
These are actually the absolute worst, they just need to all die already.
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Current mastermind rankings, starting from most-likely:

1. Kiyo
2. Shuichi
3. No one in this group
4. Tsumugi (at this point, I just want her character to have a reason to exist tbqh)
5. Everyone in this group
6. Rantaro
7. Someone from a previous game
8. Kokichi
9. Keebo
10 aka the real answer. Some weird bullshit because it's Danganronpa so of course it is
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So with that, let us begin Chapt-

Transfer Student from Beyond the Grave

excuse me what
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I can already tell from the current ranking that this is gonna be fun.
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Miu is doing maintenance on Keebo's body.

And nothing else.
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So the group learns that they're probably all dead.

Then I go hang with Kiyo, and he promptly begins defying physics by eating through his mask.

There is certainly something screwy going on here, but if I think too much about it, I'll probably just hurt myself, and wouldn't come close to the answer anyway, so I won't!
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Oh my god the chapter title was literal. OK then.

Also the plaque is starting to spell out what I thought was "the worst, most awful and tragic event in human history" but that string of letters doesn't have "ne" in it, so unless I'm remembering the name of it wrong, that's not quite it? But it fits for everything else so I dunno.
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Hahahahaha, Ultimate Artist, more like Ultimate Brainwasher.
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I went and saw the student council in the pool, to uphold Danganronpa tradition, but Keebo wasn't in there. This is bullshit I want my money back.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Then I go hang with Kiyo, and he promptly begins defying physics by eating through his mask.

There is certainly something screwy going on here, but if I think too much about it, I'll probably just hurt myself, and wouldn't come close to the answer anyway, so I won't!

out-of-context quote from the official artbook comments: "My answer to the question of how is Shinguuji eating the spaghetti is magic."
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Super Special Last Place: Monokids
These are actually the absolute worst, they just need to all die already.

except monodam

he's a casualty
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Yeah, I said that they were terrible, and I guess they took offense to that, because now their dynamic is 50 million times better. I was worried the pattern would just continue, but no, the other two being legitimately terrified for their lives around Monodam is the best direction this could've possibly gone.
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Yeah, I started out hating them (except Monodam) too but then Monodam becomes the legit best lol.
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I feel like it's a sign that all my lower-ranked people were the ones that got brainwashed (Keebo's just confused, is all, obviously). Kaito is being weird, but it's probably for something stupid. I decide to spend the rest of my Free Time this section with Maki though, because I'm gearing up for her dying this chapter. Sure seems like it's pushing things that way.

I have to say, this kind of dynamic with the protagonist is new, though. In the other games, there was never really a clique focused around the guy solving the murders. Kyoko and Makoto weren't so much a pack of friends as much as it was someone using the other for personal gain. This Shuichi/Kaito/Maki band is kinda cool. It'll make it hurt that much more when Kaito kills Maki shortly.

Honestly, I don't think a chapter's downtime has ever made me feel as uneasy as this one's has. In past games, part of the fun was trying to place yourself in the protagonist's shoes and thinking of ways you would defuse the situation before it got to murder. In this chapter, I don't have the slightest idea, because how do you argue with Angie and Atua? Because of that, I've had a dark pit in my stomach as things spiral more and more out of control here.

Oh SHIT Tenko face-turn! Wow, in a matter of like 2 minutes she shot from 15th to like 7th. It makes a lot of sense for her to try something like this, too, given the whopping two personality traits she possesses.

For fuck sake, Shuichi, get a pair of balls. Why does he do this to me? In trials, he can come up with the most ridiculous shit to find the truth, but during free time, he can't figure out that something about the ritual is getting to Kaito? He can't take a minute during the night to get him alone and ask what's bothering him? And now at the slightest hint of pushback from Angie, his first thought is to give up and try again later. How the fuck did you think this was gonna go down? "You shouldn't do the ritual." "Oh, OK I won't." I don't understand him. He's Makoto by day then moonlights as Kyoko during trials.

And since he's leaving, that's basically signing Angie's death warrant tonight.

Told you Kaito was dumb. Anyway, on my way back to Angie's Lab the next morning, I'm keeping my eye open for people in the distance who could plausibly be wax. I know how this shit works. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm able to sequence-break in Danganronpa games. Rats.

Tenko is having trouble finding Himiko, which has me a bit worried she's the victim now, but that's quickly alleviated when I see her in front of the door, and she's actually talking to me and not made of wax. Look, I don't know why a culprit would think that would accomplish anything, but in the heat of the moment, I hadn't thought that far ahead yet.

Yeeeeeeeeeeep, bye Angie. You will not be missed.
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Finished up my investigation of the Art Lab, then went and did the seance with Kiyo, Tenko, Himiko, and Kokichi. I was really confused as to why so much preparation was going into it, wondering if someone was going to try and use it to place blame on someone else.

Here we go again on why I hate Shuichi. A massive fucking thud happens in the dark room I'm in, I don't care if I'm performing surgery, I'm stopping everything and figuring out what that was first. And because he doesn't, RIP Tenko. With the sudden, rapid character development she was going through, I guess I should've seen that coming, but the rules weren't established for multiple killings yet, so I still caught me off guard.

Honestly, I don't have a fucking clue going into this trial. Everything to do with the cross-section under the floor has me stumped because I have no knowledge to the workings of housebuilding and what any of this shit does, so I'm going to be flying by the seat of my pants. One thing I believe I have figured out at least, is that the sickle was used from under the floor, through the floorboard that came loose under the cage. You could reach up, then the point comes back down, and into Tenko's neck.
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Prime Suspect for Tenko's Murder: Himiko
The storyline my mind jumped to first was that Himiko wanted to be a part of the seance, fully expecting it to not work out, because the murderer would also try and use it to their advantage. She planned to volunteer to be the medium, and if someone butted in to try and stop her, she figured they would be the killer, trying to throw everyone else off the case, so she murdered Tenko out of revenge for Angie. Also, she was next to the holes in the floor in the corner of the room. Also also, after Monokuma came back and announced that the second kill doesn't count, the reason she went silent was because she thought she'd committed a near-perfect crime, and now she's trying to figure out what to do with her pointless murder.

One hiccup here is that it doesn't explain how the next room over is involved at all, when the rotted wood under the floor is clearly linked in some way. The other, dried bloodstain also goes completely unexplained through this theory. That's another piece of evidence I have no idea whatsoever for.

However, the main thing keeping me from putting all my stock into this theory is that I'm gonna guess that both killers are the same perpetrator. A lot of planning had to go into both these murders to pull them off, and there is dried blood several hours old at both crime scenes. There must be some kind of connection to them, meaning they were both planned hours in advance. Himiko trying to get revenge, while a cool direction for the story to go, doesn't really make sense with all the evidence we have.

Prime Suspect for Angie's Murder: I don't have the slightest god damn clue

I fully expected there to be some more investigation to go after seeing Kokichi all bloody in the hallway, but nope! I feel like there's so little evidence for the murder that actually matters, and I have no clue how any of it fits together at all. The gold on the lock came from the katana, aaaaand that's about all I've got. No clue what the upside-down wax figures have to do with anything, or why the sword was stabbed into Kaede's. Like I said before, I'm just kinda along for the ride on this one it seems.

I guess just to throw a name out there for no real reason, uh......... Maki, sure why not. It'd be real Danganronpa of this game to make your newfound sidekick a killer. It'd be even more Danganronpa to also make it so their murder doesn't count and they're stuck with everyone who all now know she had actively attempted to kill someone and get away with it.

Additional suspects:

Keebo. Why was his new function a truth bullet? As soon as that came up, my mind got to racing as to how that's ever going to play a factor, and it would at least explain how the culprit moved under the floor.

Kiyo. He sure jumped into performing the Caged Dog Seance reeeeeeeeal quick. Maybe he was upset about performing false rituals like the resurrection ritual and decided to both put a stop to that one and then conduct his own real one? That doesn't explain why he would kill Tenko, but maybe it has something to do with the dried bloodstains.

Kaito. He's been so irrelevant this chapter, I almost forgot he existed. I wonder if his being scared of ghost stories is all a big ruse. I also can't forget that in chapter 2, Shuichi mentioned something about "it wasn't long until I was reminded that I can't trust anyone." It made him one of my prime suspects in Case 2, which was obviously the writers' goal, but there still has to be something that comes from that statement he made.

I think I can at least limit it to half the players remaining. Fairly confident neither killer is Kokichi or Gonta at least. Miu and/or Tsumugi would be a pleasant surprise; let's put it that way.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Yeeeeeeeeeeep, bye Angie. You will not be missed.

not gonna lie this may have been the first time I actually cheered for a murder victim in this series.

Went to look at my truth bullets before starting the trial, and noticed that the sliding lock on the back door to the Art Lab "moves at the slightest touch". Did they set up the wax figures, stab the sword into Kaede's, spin it around, then leave at let the sword snap the door locked? That's the best (and only) theory I have regarding anything in the Lab.
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Oh wait, before I get too far into this, I would like to add Tenko into my list of suspects for Angie's murder. Maybe even as the primary suspect. Like I said in my reasoning for Himiko being a prime suspect for her murder, she would want to be primarily involved in the seance to talk to Angie. On the offchance it actually works, she would want to sabotage it, if possible.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Here we go again on why I hate Shuichi. A massive f***ing thud happens in the dark room I'm in, I don't care if I'm performing surgery, I'm stopping everything and figuring out what that was first.

I don't know why you're singling out Shuichi here when nobody else in the room tried to figure it out either.
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I hold someone who's the Ultimate Detective to a higher standard, especially when he's obviously smart enough to know better, considering these ridiculous lies he pulls off in trials. Himiko's pretty slow and doesn't care, Kiyo's main concern is running the seance, and Kokichi gets a boner whenever things go crazy around him.

By the way, can I just say having the option to lie during trials is the fucking best? I just defended Keebo by arguing that he himself can't see when he's using his flashlight function.
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OMG Miu please stop

"Hey! If you're gonna fuck me in front of everyone, at least buy me dinner first! Lemme put on some makeup, cuz I wanna at least look pretty before you decide to fuck me!"
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I'm trying to figure out how this was done now. They're putting a lot of emphasis on Tenko being killed during the seance. Another crazy theory I just had is that Kiyo is actually a girl, and mimicked Tenko's voice when she was calling under the sheet, and no one would notice because of her mask. That explains nothing besides how and when she was killed, though, so probably not.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Oh wait, before I get too far into this, I would like to add Tenko into my list of suspects for Angie's murder. Maybe even as the primary suspect.

Oops, wrong murder.
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Oops, should've waited three minutes.
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Chapter 3 Miu is incredible.
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Hahahaha fuck yes. I didn't particularly care who killed Tenko, but I really did want it to at least be two different people. The fact that Kiyo in particular was the one who killed Tenko and likely did NOT kill Angie is basically the best-case scenario.

I just did the Split Opinion over whether to vote for Kiyo, and I'm trying to piece together why the other murder was relevant in all this. The only thing we didn't go over in that case that involved those rooms was the dried blood, which I correctly predicted would be the most important clue regarding the case overall. I'm just really confused as to why. I doubt Angie ever went there, so whose is it? I guess by process of elimination, it kinda HAS to be hers, right? If that's the case, how early was she killed?

My very first thought was that it was not even during nighttime, and she was dead when she saw "Angie" in her lab last night. Then I thought, what if Tsumugi disguised herself as Angie and either she got cospox, but it looked totally normal because of Angie's tan, or she didn't get cospox because she clarifies that it only happens when she cosplays as "living" people.

But the Monokuma File distinctly states that she died at 2 am. So dammit, that's out. I still have no idea, but I'm at least fairly certain we can rule out Kiyo.

........ oh jeez, did I get my prime suspects completely backwards? Maki killed Angie and Kiyo killed Tenko.....
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No. Kiyo quit being suspicious you fuck. I want you to survive.
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Hey guys I figured out who Sister is.
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This is the first Danganronpa case that has used my "too obvious to be the killer" reasoning against me. Honestly, I'm OK with this. First off, good job getting rid of the dead weight, Kiyo, my man. Second, we needed one of these to keep us on our toes when trying to predict what DR games will do.

I'm letting Shuichi read the closing argument. I hope there's a good reason he went ahead with the second murder, because that was the main reason I had to rule him of committing the first one out after confessing to the second. Why would Kiyo draw attention to the real crime scene?
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Alright maybe I ranked Kiyo a little too high.
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Kiyo actually went from mid-tier to high-tier in my rankings at the end of the 3rd trial. I thought it was fantastic.

I am also pretty damn sure that's not the common opinion of that segment though.

CUM DUMPSTER

Kiyo is is last in my V3 rankings.

This is where V3 really starts to kill it for me, though.
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That was a pretty weak execution, but mainly because I don't fully understand the culture it's referencing. That's been a high point in this game. I really liked Leon's execution, then nothing else ever came close to reaching that kind of brutality and hopelessness. Then I saw Kaede's execution.

I will at least say that the end of Kiyo's with the spirits was neat, though. And yeah, I think realistically, he might've actually moved up to #2, now that I think about it more. It's not like any of the characters below him did anything to jump him in this chapter, and he had way more character development than Ryoma did.

If this chapter did anything, it established Maki as the clear-cut #1 in this game. Pre-case 3, I looked at everyone from #1 to #10, and they all had things I really liked about them and could stake a claim at #1. But Maki's the only one who's kept that momentum through the entire game.
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man Kiyo hit rock bottom of my character rankings after case 3 haha

I sort of hated that case a lot

MrSmartGuy posted...

Went to look at my truth bullets before starting the trial, and noticed that the sliding lock on the back door to the Art Lab "moves at the slightest touch". Did they set up the wax figures, stab the sword into Kaede's, spin it around, then leave at let the sword snap the door locked? That's the best (and only) theory I have regarding anything in the Lab.

Good call.
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Spent a bunch of time in the casino while watching the footballs, since it doesn't actually require any of my attention. Will likely do the same tomorrow when Chiefs play, so resuming Tuesday seems likely.
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ya go my cheefs
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So I start back up, and basically the first thing that happens is Monokuma explaining what this key I got at the casino does. I just went down the list and bought one of everything, since I had like 150k tokens. This sure sounds like Danganronpa.

I say yeah, let's do this, expecting a choice. Instead, it just shoves Miu in there with me. I'm sure this won't be crazy at all!

"We gotta make a baby!"

Yep, perfectly normal.
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Got a cute scene with Himiko and Gonta doing magic poses. I would've liked it more if one of these two wasn't basically guaranteed to die this chapter.
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Maki maxed out. Her smile was adorable.

OH MY GOD KOKICHI HOW DID YOU MAKE YOUR MOUTH STRETCH TO YOUR EARS

That's the most ultimate talent of anyone here, if you ask me!
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Spent the rest of my Free Time this chapter with Keebo, Gonta, and *gulp* Tsumugi. I immediately regretted the final one. She sucks so hard.

Miu dropped by to let me know the computer room is updated, and it sure looked a whole lot like the Neo World Program. I'm guessing Kokichi knew what she was up to and was gesturing to Monokuma that he wanted to fuck with it so one of us could devise some ridiculous kill in a virtual world with weird rules, kinda mimicking the Funhouse from the second game.
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Was not expecting that victim. If I'd had to guess, I was thinking it'd be Gonta, Kaito, Himiko, or Tsumigi. She was maybe 5th.

I'm trying to piece together everything we learned and how that's going to be important, before even starting the investigation. The loading zone will come into play on how someone couldn't hear a crash from the chapel side. Tsumigi's testimony that Miu was on the mansion side will be important, though I'm wondering if I can trust her testimony, since the sign could only have been reached from this side. Though Kokichi and Miu obviously had something set up before everyone split up.

I'm beginning to think this entire plot was set up by both Kokichi and Miu. Their entire plan was to log out together, and kill everyone stuck in the game and run the surviving number count to 2, ending the game, but someone acted first.

Oh my god, I just came up with a ridiculous theory, actually. What if Kaito being a fucking idiot saved everyone? He probably plugged his cords in backwards, something came lose, and he was unplugged from the game. He didn't know whether to log back in or not, so he left. When Kokichi logged out first, he saw a player missing and realized that if this plan went through, they couldn't end the game because 3 would remain and a trial would still take place.

Holy shit, that explains why the rule states the game ends when there are 2 people in particular. That always struck me as odd, because it's not like you could continue the game with 3, as it would be impossible to majority vote the culprit. There had to be a reason it was 2 specifically, and it's literally just for this case isn't it?

OH AND AND AND I made it a point to remember that Gonta lost Kokichi at some point! Yeah, this is adding up quite well, I must say. I like this theory way better than my Case 3 one.

Now, whether or not Kokichi is the one that actually killed Miu has yet to be seen, but everything I posted above makes a ton of sense. I wonder if Kokichi manipulated someone else into murder?

There's another thing that has me wondering. To log off, you have to state your name into the phone. Does that mean that if you say another player's name, will your consciousness be uploaded into that body? I wonder if that's the potential murder method? Kokichi tricked Miu by logging off first into Miu's body himself, then had Miu log off, and since she attempted to enter a filled "vessel", her consciousness had nowhere to go and was deleted? That would explain why there's no visible injuries on her body (I got the Monokuma File then saved the moment I had full control).

This is going to be a very interesting investigation and trial.
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Ooooooooh boy this trial.
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So that investigation did a whole lot in debunking basically all of my earlier theories, that login/logout record especially.

It still seems like Miu was definitely up to something, but I don't think poisoning everyone in the game is it. She was probably setting up a kill on Kokichi, and it backfired. The main mystery that leads me to believe this is the lone Y-axis wall she set up. I believe that she set up both walls; they are just one and the same. Without it, the world loops indefinitely. She set it up so that only non-human objects are allowed to pass through it, and made herself a non-human object. This explains why the sign washed down-river to the east, and ended up on the left side of a rock to the west.

Her plan was to loosen the bridge to essentially separate the two groups. Then, she used her cell phone to forcibly log Kaito out, and walked through the wall she set up herself to get to the mansion. There, she could meet Kokichi on the roof, touch him, leaving him paralyzed, and kill him with the hammer at her own leisure. There, she could lock the door and use the toilet paper to climb down off the roof, since the TP can't tear, walk back through the wall, and the job would be done. It would be a very effective frame job on Kaito.

The question is, who knew of this plan, and how did they circumvent it to kill Miu? There are a few pieces of evidence that are left out of this plan, and I have no idea where they fit into the puzzle, like the lattice and the avatar error. I'm guessing that error has a huge role to play, but without more info, I'm left to wonder what that is. In the end, I feel like I have a good 60% of this mystery solved, yet am no closer to figuring out the murder method or the murderer, and that's kinda frustrating.

One guess I have as to the loud noises is that the murderer just hit the building they were next to with the hammer, then threw it through the wall to hit the other building, to cause both at nearly the same time. This would bring everyone together, so we would get worried and head back and discover the body.
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