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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 3:51:43 PM
#155:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
If they start talking about it 6 weeks ago instead of few days ago, they may have a bit more credibility.


That's complete and utter bullshit and everyone knows it. The reaction would be exactly the same regardless of when the information came out
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 3:56:45 PM
#156:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Her lawyer won't respond until the last minute, because the goal is to delay the vote. Then it'll be a week or two of agreeing to terms, then a week to schedule, with a date picked for a month out, then a delay due to reasons, all resulting in the vote being pushed past midterms. Once they've achieved that, she can answer any questions without fear, because the damage will be done.


Well to be fair, shouldn't we be holding off nominations until after the midterms anyway as the will of the American people is important? Isn't that what Republicans spent over a year arguing when they stole a seat from Obama?

Exactly. The McConnell rule. If GOP loses the Senate, it was the will of the American people that Trump nominate a less hyperpartisan judge who may or may not be a sex offender.


Never forget that Teddy Cruz and others also began floating the idea, prior to the 2016 election, if Hillary had one they may have just kept every seat empty along the way until the next presidential election.

So if these guys want to be consistent I hope that if they somehow lose the Senate, a long chance but still not impossible, Trump will no longer get a single judge confirmed. Because fuck it


So conversely, if Republicans maintain a majority you're cool with them nominating an even more extreme judge, since that's the will of the people, right? Are you actually ready to bet it all on the midterms?
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CantKeepMeDown
09/18/18 4:01:30 PM
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He knows that Kavanaugh won't be replaced with a more extreme judge. The reason Trump (and he) want Kavanaugh is because of the way Kavanaugh views presidential power and special investigations.
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 4:01:43 PM
#159:


s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Her lawyer won't respond until the last minute, because the goal is to delay the vote. Then it'll be a week or two of agreeing to terms, then a week to schedule, with a date picked for a month out, then a delay due to reasons, all resulting in the vote being pushed past midterms. Once they've achieved that, she can answer any questions without fear, because the damage will be done.


Well to be fair, shouldn't we be holding off nominations until after the midterms anyway as the will of the American people is important? Isn't that what Republicans spent over a year arguing when they stole a seat from Obama?

Exactly. The McConnell rule. If GOP loses the Senate, it was the will of the American people that Trump nominate a less hyperpartisan judge who may or may not be a sex offender.


Never forget that Teddy Cruz and others also began floating the idea, prior to the 2016 election, if Hillary had one they may have just kept every seat empty along the way until the next presidential election.

So if these guys want to be consistent I hope that if they somehow lose the Senate, a long chance but still not impossible, Trump will no longer get a single judge confirmed. Because fuck it


So conversely, if Republicans maintain a majority you're cool with them nominating an even more extreme judge, since that's the will of the people, right? Are you actually ready to bet it all on the midterms?


There's no other seat open. RBG just has to make it until the primaries open and then we're far too close to an election to nominate a replacement, according to the Republican's own standards.

If you're talking about the current opening then lmao, be my guest and nominate more and more extreme right people. Keep driving off the moderates and putting pressure on the middle of the road Republican Senators to go against the wishes of their constituents, only going to give them more problems come 2020 elections.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/18/18 4:02:46 PM
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I have to ask, what was wrong with Hardiman or Kethledge if not the presidential power view of Kavanaugh?
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/18/18 4:10:27 PM
#162:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
That's complete and utter bulls*** and everyone knows it. The reaction would be exactly the same regardless of when the information came out


Now that bullshit. You clearly don't understand how things work. In business, in politics, in pretty much everything, transparency = trust. When you hide stuff until the last minute, it becomes a lot less trustworthy.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/18/18 4:12:51 PM
#163:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
In business, in politics, in pretty much everything, transparency = trust.

You don't say...
How about those tax returns? Lol at a Trump apologist complaining about lack of transparency.
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/18/18 4:13:39 PM
#164:


CantKeepMeDown posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
In business, in politics, in pretty much everything, transparency = trust.

You don't say...
How about those tax returns? Lol at a Trump apologist complaining about lack of transparency.


It got leaked and he paid a higher tax percentage than Bernie Sanders.
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 4:15:03 PM
#165:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
That's complete and utter bulls*** and everyone knows it. The reaction would be exactly the same regardless of when the information came out


Now that bullshit. You clearly don't understand how things work. In business, in politics, in pretty much everything, transparency = trust. When you hide stuff until the last minute, it becomes a lot less trustworthy.


Oh yes, I'm quiet certain that only if this was released weeks ago then all the Republicans in the Senate would have taken it seriously and legitimate and the Republican voters would totally do the same.

Come the fuck on dude, stop it
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CantKeepMeDown
09/18/18 4:15:22 PM
#166:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
In business, in politics, in pretty much everything, transparency = trust.

You don't say...
How about those tax returns? Lol at a Trump apologist complaining about lack of transparency.


It got leaked and he pays a lot more taxes than Bernie Sanders.

No, that return wasn't anywhere near recent.
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BeyondWalls
09/18/18 4:22:29 PM
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I believe her.
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FairyLeviathan
09/18/18 4:27:39 PM
#168:


I'm not saying he didn't do it, but the accusation is sketchy and the fact that this didn't come out until now reeks of political sabotage.
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 5:14:48 PM
#169:


shockthemonkey posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
He knows that Kavanaugh won't be replaced with a more extreme judge. The reason Trump (and he) want Kavanaugh is because of the way Kavanaugh views presidential power and special investigations.

Yeah thats why it was such a weird comment


Because the presumption of dems has always been that if they can delay a vote until after midterms, they may have the ability to completely block ANY of Trump's picks through until 2020, which would either push any future nominations left between now and then or allow them to push one of their own after an election. Given that 99% of the coverage on Kavanaugh has been on Roe v Wade it's clear that their concerns are more than just special investigations.

So, if the dems believe that an intrusion here would give them the opportunity to push that open seat left one way or another, they must be willing to risk a future nomination being even further right.

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shockthemonkey posted...
Kavanaugh is what the GOP put up while in power, why would people reaffirming the GOP through a vote mean they should replace Kavanaugh with someone more extreme? What is your logic here other than lol if the Dems lose lets fuck the country up?

I'm not saying they SHOULD. I'm saying dems are treating this like a "nothing to lose" gamble where they fuck around as hard as they can to push a future nomination that's more left than Kavanaugh. However, he was relatively centrist among the 4 or so finalists Trump pulled from, so if he's out you have to assume the next nomination is coming from that same pool of people. Which means we might get Amy Barrett next, and that's actually horrifying. The reality is dems are playing a dangerous game in which they risk republicans pushing a more openly conservative candidate as Kavanaugh's replacement in exchange for the shot at stonewalling until they can push one of their own.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44745994
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CantKeepMeDown
09/18/18 5:22:00 PM
#170:


s0nicfan posted...
However, he was relatively centrist among the 4 or so finalists Trump pulled from

That's fake news. He's pretty far right of Hardiman and Kethledge, only Barrett makes him look remotely centrist.
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 5:23:48 PM
#171:


CantKeepMeDown posted...
s0nicfan posted...
However, he was relatively centrist among the 4 or so finalists Trump pulled from

That's fake news. He's pretty far right of Hardiman and Kethledge, only Barrett makes him look remotely centrist.


Yea, but Barrett is so far right that it throws everything else off. I know people want to hate Kavanaugh because he's Trump's first pick, but I'll take a guy with a sterling career and a lot of experience on the bench who actually takes constitutionality seriously over Barrett any day, and the reality is if you dump Kavanaugh she's a serious contender.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/18/18 5:25:42 PM
#172:


s0nicfan posted...
the reality is if you dump Kavanaugh she's a serious contender.

No she's not. They'd NEVER get the votes for her. Her cult literally inspired The Handmaids Tale. No one wants her ass in there.
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Doom_Art
09/18/18 5:28:08 PM
#173:


s0nicfan posted...
and the reality is if you dump Kavanaugh she's a serious contender.

I don't think it's great that an alleged rapist with gambling problems and debts should get on the court because the President would make a shitty pick in his place
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 5:35:24 PM
#174:


Doom_Art posted...
s0nicfan posted...
and the reality is if you dump Kavanaugh she's a serious contender.

I don't think it's great that an alleged rapist with gambling problems and debts should get on the court because the President would make a shitty pick in his place


And this is how the dems gamble has already paid off in some ways. The guy has a long successful career on the bench and was highly regarded by his peers prior to his nomination, and now he's an "alleged rapist with a gambling problem". No matter how clean his past is, even if they don't find a single ounce of truth to the accusation, that will ALWAYS hang over his head now. Dems will forever call him the rapist gambler that republicans forced onto the bench, whether it's true or not. He's not nearly as bad as you would paint him, and the reason this whole conversation is even happening days before the vote is because Dems know that, too.
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Bandit_Keith
09/18/18 6:19:09 PM
#175:


If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 6:43:10 PM
#177:


shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.
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Tmaster148
09/18/18 6:45:38 PM
#178:


s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.
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HiddenLurker
09/18/18 6:49:46 PM
#179:


Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.

Did they accuse Obama's pick of being a rapist?
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 6:52:21 PM
#180:


Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.


That's fine. If the game is "by any means necessary" and we're done pretending either party wants to play fair then they should vote him in regardless of the accusations. Of course you'll then pretend that you wanted them to have standards and whine when it happens, because you want it both ways.
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 6:54:34 PM
#181:


HiddenLurker posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.

Did they accuse Obama's pick of being a rapist?


Who knows if they would have, they refused to have a vote
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Tmaster148
09/18/18 6:55:19 PM
#182:


s0nicfan posted...
If the game is "by any means necessary" and we're done pretending either party wants to play fair then they should vote him in regardless of the accusations.


I don't think you understand what "by any means necessary" truly means. If the Dems are serious about preventing this pick than they shouldn't be playing fair now. Since it's not like their opponent have ever shown the ability to play fair.

As long as the Republicans want to play underhanded tactics I see no reason why the Dems shouldn't as well.
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 6:55:33 PM
#183:


s0nicfan posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.


That's fine. If the game is "by any means necessary" and we're done pretending either party wants to play fair then they should vote him in regardless of the accusations. Of course you'll then pretend that you wanted them to have standards and whine when it happens, because you want it both ways.


Womp womp

Republicans have played dirty for 30 years, it's about time Dems return the favor
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 6:59:26 PM
#185:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.


That's fine. If the game is "by any means necessary" and we're done pretending either party wants to play fair then they should vote him in regardless of the accusations. Of course you'll then pretend that you wanted them to have standards and whine when it happens, because you want it both ways.


Womp womp

Republicans have played dirty for 30 years, it's about time Dems return the favor


That's not a fight dems win. I don't think you realize how critical "holding the moral high ground" is to convincing people to support most of their policies. "Fuck you I got mine" basically eliminates most social safety net programs in terms of public support.
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 6:59:45 PM
#186:


s0nicfan posted...
Doom_Art posted...
s0nicfan posted...
and the reality is if you dump Kavanaugh she's a serious contender.

I don't think it's great that an alleged rapist with gambling problems and debts should get on the court because the President would make a shitty pick in his place


And this is how the dems gamble has already paid off in some ways. The guy has a long successful career on the bench and was highly regarded by his peers prior to his nomination, and now he's an "alleged rapist with a gambling problem". No matter how clean his past is, even if they don't find a single ounce of truth to the accusation, that will ALWAYS hang over his head now. Dems will forever call him the rapist gambler that republicans forced onto the bench, whether it's true or not. He's not nearly as bad as you would paint him, and the reason this whole conversation is even happening days before the vote is because Dems know that, too.


This comes off as a total tantrum btw
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 7:01:45 PM
#187:


s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.


That's fine. If the game is "by any means necessary" and we're done pretending either party wants to play fair then they should vote him in regardless of the accusations. Of course you'll then pretend that you wanted them to have standards and whine when it happens, because you want it both ways.


Womp womp

Republicans have played dirty for 30 years, it's about time Dems return the favor


That's not a fight dems win. I don't think you realize how critical "holding the moral high ground" is to convincing people to support most of their policies. "Fuck you I got mine" basically eliminates most social safety net programs in terms of public support.


I don't think you realize how I don't care after all the years of you guys pretending to care about the betterment of America
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Bio1590
09/18/18 7:08:30 PM
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Hey at least he hasn't melted down and called anyone a rapist yet today
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HiddenLurker
09/18/18 7:24:36 PM
#189:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.

Did they accuse Obama's pick of being a rapist?


Who knows if they would have, they refused to have a vote

So no.
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s0nicfan
09/18/18 7:24:54 PM
#190:


Bio1590 posted...
Hey at least he hasn't melted down and called anyone a rapist yet today


Yes, it's really bad to call someone a rapist without evidence. Everyone seems in agreement on that. The accusation can ruin someone's public reputation and follow them around even if it later turns out untrue.
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Bio1590
09/18/18 7:43:27 PM
#191:


Imagine losing your cool that bad and trying to brush it off like you did nothing wrong lmfao
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ehhwhatever
09/18/18 7:51:45 PM
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I think HS is Shakespearean if you know what I mean. I'll give the man a pass.
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 8:11:22 PM
#193:


HiddenLurker posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
If the dems gamble was pushing to stall the nomination confirmation until after the mid-terms, and they don't pick up enough seats(they won't), wouldn't Kavanaugh still be the person the senate votes for?

Yes, sonic is coming up with a really bizarre scenario


They don't want him at all. One way they can achieve that is by recovering enough seats to block a vote. The other way is to so thoroughly destroy his reputation that it is toxic to even consider him, say by calling him a rapist addict. Dems are perfectly capable of doing more than 1 thing at once.

Like, I know none of you are stupid, and this isn't exactly some sort of deep state conspiracy theory. It's extremely obvious what's being done here, and I have trouble believing that people like shock don't see it.


Oh boo. Democrats are trying to avoid picking a supreme court justice like the Republicans successfully did on Obama. I have no sympathy to give you if you think this is unfair.

Did they accuse Obama's pick of being a rapist?


Who knows if they would have, they refused to have a vote

So no.


Okay? Do you need gratification to feel like you've "won" or something?
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HiddenLurker
09/18/18 8:31:36 PM
#194:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Okay? Do you need gratification to feel like you've "won" or something?

I'm not the one making up some weird projections to defend possibly made up accusations.
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Antifar
09/18/18 8:40:51 PM
#195:


s0nicfan posted...
That's not a fight dems win. I don't think you realize how critical "holding the moral high ground" is to convincing people to support most of their policies.

What country did you spend 2016 in?
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The Great Muta 22
09/18/18 8:41:50 PM
#196:


HiddenLurker posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Okay? Do you need gratification to feel like you've "won" or something?

I'm not the one making up some weird projections to defend possibly made up accusations.


All I said was that Republicans didn't let Garland get to the point he had a hearing. Stop projecting buddy
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/18/18 9:36:16 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Hey at least he hasn't melted down and called anyone a rapist yet today


Yes, it's really bad to call someone a rapist without evidence. Everyone seems in agreement on that. The accusation can ruin someone's public reputation and follow them around even if it later turns out untrue.


And this lady, Ford, can't remember when or where it happened or how she got there.

Clearly, this woman at age 15 was probably drunk before she got to the party and left the party drunk with little to no recollection of the event. But hey, let's just believe her because she made an accusation.
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