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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:08:15 PM
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Polycosm posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Yeah, about that...

https://tinyurl.com/ybcxt6op

There's an incredibly weak defense of memo-gate in there.

-The memos weren't technically stolen because no real 'hacking' took place; they were just "exploiting a glitch."

-Nothing suspicious about receiving internal Dem documents; Kavanaugh had no reason to question where they came from.

-One doc had a confidential marking but "we all know that no one in D.C. overmarks things as confidential," so no biggie.

-One doc was marked "not for distribution" but... "just because something is marked 'not for distribution' doesn't mean it was stolen"

How stupid do you want me to believe Kavanaugh is?

Did you actually read what he wrote

shockthemonkey posted...
Youre talking shit about a victim of sexual assault

An alleged victim of sexual assault.

shockthemonkey posted...
Hes calling you out for it in the place where youre doing it

Didn't you guys get burned enough by this "listen and believe" nonsense? It's not a bad thing to be skeptical of suspicious claims.
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Bishop9800
09/17/18 3:11:50 PM
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creativerealms posted...
There are many reasons to oppose Kavanaugh but this isn't one of them.


This
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CruelBuffalo
09/17/18 3:12:37 PM
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Didn't you guys get burned enough by this "listen and believe" nonsense? It's not a bad thing to be skeptical of suspicious claims.

I never said she isnt lying nor have I ever said listen and believe. You arent being just skeptical you are mocking and attacking someone who is an alleged sexual assault victim.

Its disgusting behavior that is something I would expect from an immature middle schooler. Not a grown adult.
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:13:21 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
I never said she isnt lying nor have I ever said listen and believe. You arent being just skeptical you are mocking and attacking someone who is an alleged sexual assault victim.

Where did I mock her

I'm skeptical she's a victim, hence the quotes. What's the problem
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Tmaster148
09/17/18 3:13:51 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Its disgusting behavior that is something I would expect from an immature middle schooler. Not a grown adult.


Tbf. Not everyone has the ability to mentally mature into an adult.
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Antifar
09/17/18 3:15:46 PM
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If this is designed solely to derail Kavanaugh's confirmation, don't you think it's awful tame? Like, wouldn't Democrats concoct a more recent incident, or one that was more than an attempt?
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Balrog0
09/17/18 3:15:48 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I never said she isnt lying nor have I ever said listen and believe. You arent being just skeptical you are mocking and attacking someone who is an alleged sexual assault victim.

Where did I mock her

I'm skeptical she's a victim, hence the quotes. What's the problem


so you ARE saying that she made this up 6 years ago, presumably as a way to save or tank her marriage?
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:17:55 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I never said she isnt lying nor have I ever said listen and believe. You arent being just skeptical you are mocking and attacking someone who is an alleged sexual assault victim.

Where did I mock her

I'm skeptical she's a victim, hence the quotes. What's the problem

Do you believe that she lied to her therapist about being sexually assaulted?

The notes that don't actually name Kavanaugh? I don't know, it might be true.
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:18:25 PM
#66:


Antifar posted...
If this is designed solely to derail Kavanaugh's confirmation, don't you think it's awful tame? Like, wouldn't Democrats concoct a more recent incident, or one that was more than an attempt?

A recent incident would be a lot easier to disprove.
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Giant_Aspirin
09/17/18 3:19:25 PM
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at least 3 Republican Senators believe the accusations have enough merit to delay the confirmation
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Balrog0
09/17/18 3:19:32 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Antifar posted...
If this is designed solely to derail Kavanaugh's confirmation, don't you think it's awful tame? Like, wouldn't Democrats concoct a more recent incident, or one that was more than an attempt?

A recent incident would be a lot easier to disprove.


I believe he's saying the content of his actions could be worse
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Balrog0
09/17/18 3:20:30 PM
#69:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I never said she isnt lying nor have I ever said listen and believe. You arent being just skeptical you are mocking and attacking someone who is an alleged sexual assault victim.

Where did I mock her

I'm skeptical she's a victim, hence the quotes. What's the problem

Do you believe that she lied to her therapist about being sexually assaulted?

The notes that don't actually name Kavanaugh? I don't know, it might be true.


so you're agnostic on whether she lied about the incident, but you know for sure it wasn't Kavanaugh

cool epistemic system bro
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Alpha218
09/17/18 3:21:24 PM
#70:


Doom_Art posted...
Well Mal is being repulsive as usual

Let's laugh at this dumb chart he made

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This will never get old
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:21:45 PM
#71:


Balrog0 posted...
so you're agnostic on whether she lied about the incident, but you know for sure it wasn't Kavanaugh

No, I said that I didn't believe the story, for the reasons I listed in the OP.
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P4wn4g3
09/17/18 3:22:13 PM
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I'm surprised you guys are bothering with mal.
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Balrog0
09/17/18 3:22:53 PM
#74:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Balrog0 posted...
so you're agnostic on whether she lied about the incident, but you know for sure it wasn't Kavanaugh

No, I said that I didn't believe the story, for the reasons I listed in the OP.


so you DO think she lied about this six years ago to her therapist?

I think you're trying pretty hard not to say that
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:24:32 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I never said she isnt lying nor have I ever said listen and believe. You arent being just skeptical you are mocking and attacking someone who is an alleged sexual assault victim.

Where did I mock her

I'm skeptical she's a victim, hence the quotes. What's the problem

Do you believe that she lied to her therapist about being sexually assaulted?

The notes that don't actually name Kavanaugh? I don't know, it might be true.

Regardless of whether you think Kavanaugh did it, do you think she was lying to her therapist about being sexually assaulted?

I have no reason to disbelieve that she was sexually assaulted in high school at some point. There's nothing suspicious about that claim and she had no real reason to lie about it in 2012, so I believe that it happened.

Naming Kavanaugh as the rapist, the timing of the accusation, and the fact that the only witness she named said it never happened, is really suspicious. Do you disagree?
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halomonkey1_3_5
09/17/18 3:25:16 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
I'm surprised you guys are bothering with mal.

every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

same with proudclad topics

it's like the people who clearly realize they shouldn't feed them cant resist it
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dontIoseyourway
09/17/18 3:25:46 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:26:43 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I never said she isnt lying nor have I ever said listen and believe. You arent being just skeptical you are mocking and attacking someone who is an alleged sexual assault victim.

Where did I mock her

I'm skeptical she's a victim, hence the quotes. What's the problem

Do you believe that she lied to her therapist about being sexually assaulted?

The notes that don't actually name Kavanaugh? I don't know, it might be true.

Regardless of whether you think Kavanaugh did it, do you think she was lying to her therapist about being sexually assaulted?

I have no reason to disbelieve that she was sexually assaulted in high school at some point

So then why the fuck are you calling her victim?

I doubt she's a victim of the particular story she's telling now.

This isn't that hard.
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CruelBuffalo
09/17/18 3:27:50 PM
#81:


dontIoseyourway posted...
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet


Youre right. I put mal on ignore but not his alt. Ill put his alt on ignore now.
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:30:23 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...

Of the particular story she's telling now? I doubt she's a victim of that.

You believe that shes a victim, but you also believe that she is lying about who her attacker was?

And about many of the details of her story, such as the witness who says it never happened.
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Musourenka
09/17/18 3:30:51 PM
#84:


dontIoseyourway posted...
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

At least it's a Mal topic here instead of Mal messing up someone else's topic.
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P4wn4g3
09/17/18 3:31:33 PM
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Musourenka posted...
dontIoseyourway posted...
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
every single mal_fet topic is nothing but people going "dont bother arguing with mal_fet" and then 6 pages of those same people arguing with mal_fet

At least it's a Mal topic here instead of Mal messing up someone else's topic.

That's coming later.
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DarkTransient
09/17/18 3:32:08 PM
#86:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Feinstein got the accusation letter in July, but for some reason was ok with a US judge being a rapist until a week before he gets onto the supreme court when she submitted the letter to the FBI

Ford claims that Mark Judge saved her by jumping on top of them and separating them, but Judge himself says it never happened

Ford has motives to slander Kavanaugh beyond just being a liberal professor of humanities and a Democrat; Kavanaugh's mother was the judge in a case that got Ford's parents' home foreclosed on.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=156006V&loc=68&detailLoc=MCCI

And lastly, Ford herself was ok with Kavanaugh being a high-ranking judge for decades but only nowafter 35 years decides to release a rape accusation.

::thinkyface::


Hm, and just when I was leaning towards "maybe this one is true, for once", these facts drop.

Should have known better than to trust liberals when it comes to accusations against someone they don't like. They're never true.
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creativerealms
09/17/18 3:32:32 PM
#87:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Error1355 posted...
I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

Dirtier would be stalling for a whole year and passing up any choice the President makes. Oh wait that is what the republicans did in 2016.
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Doom_Art
09/17/18 3:33:20 PM
#88:


DarkTransient posted...
Hm, and just when I was leaning towards "maybe this one is true, for once", these facts drop.

Should have known better than to trust liberals when it comes to accusations against someone they don't like. They're never true

Don't pretend you're impartial and haven't made your mind up already

That insults all of us
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:34:45 PM
#89:


creativerealms posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Error1355 posted...
I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

Dirtier would be stalling for a whole year and passing up any choice the President makes. Oh wait that is what the republicans did in 2016.

^ In order to do that, you need enough people to be elected to Congress.

There's no democratic process involved in cooking up a rape accusation.
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:38:43 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...

Of the particular story she's telling now? I doubt she's a victim of that.

You believe that shes a victim, but you also believe that she is lying about who her attacker was?

And about many of the details of her story, such as the witness who says it never happened.

...shes lying about the witness or the witness says shes lying about the story?

She claimed Mark Judge saved her from being raped, but Judge said it never happened.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/john-mccormack/kavanaugh-classmate-named-in-letter-strongly-denies-allegations-of-misconduct
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Antifar
09/17/18 3:40:22 PM
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To be clear, she doesn't suggest that Judge saved her, just that he was in the room and someone turned up the radio. Mark Judge has since said "he doesn't recall" something like that happening:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1040708769150382085

Also, this is not really the point, but my dude has...an interesting online presence:
https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1041516195999088640
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:40:48 PM
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Antifar posted...
To be clear, Mark Judge has not said that it never happened, but that he doesn't recall something like that happening:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1040708769150382085

"It's just absolutely nuts. I never saw Brett act that way," Judge told TWS.

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Panthera
09/17/18 3:42:05 PM
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I don't believe or disbelieve claims like this as a general rule. The fact that she had already spoken about this years before the guy was particularly relevant suggests its likelier to be true, but I'm not going to pretend I'm an authority on an event that happened between two people I've never met in a place I've never been that I think occurred before I was even born.
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frozenshock
09/17/18 3:42:43 PM
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Innocent until proven guilty...

But still deserves an investigation.

Of course, this means that it might push the nomination until after the midterms, which may or may not make it harder for him to be confirmed.
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:44:37 PM
#97:


frozenshock posted...
Innocent until proven guilty...

But still deserves an investigation.

The FBI already declined to investigate it.
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Smashingpmkns
09/17/18 3:45:13 PM
#98:


Mark Judge seems like a total weird ass mother fucker so I dunno if he's a great witness.
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Alpha218
09/17/18 3:47:31 PM
#99:


frozenshock posted...
Innocent until proven guilty...

But still deserves an investigation.

Of course, this means that it might push the nomination until after the midterms, which may or may not make it harder for him to be confirmed.

Nah. They have until the end of the term to confirm him. They have a majority in the senate still, especially with McCains seat being filled now. Even then theres a low chance of Dems winning the senate. They want to have the vote before midterms so they can brag about making the court even more conservative (Republican voters care a lot more about the court than Dems except for Roe v Wade) and also force red state Dems in the senate to take a side.
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Sephiroth1288
09/17/18 3:47:56 PM
#100:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Mark Judge seems like a total weird ass mother fucker so I dunno if he's a great witness.

If @shockthemonkey were consistent in his reasoning, he would berate you for thinking a person could be lying.

Let's see if he does.
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P4wn4g3
09/17/18 3:52:35 PM
#101:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
frozenshock posted...
Innocent until proven guilty...

But still deserves an investigation.

The FBI already declined to investigate it.

Congress can insist on a criminal trial. That's the duty of the FBI, I don't see how they can decline if pressed.
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Doom_Art
09/17/18 3:54:28 PM
#102:


Don't see why delaying a vote is so repulsive to Mal when the GOP delayed a vote on Garland for like a year
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09/17/18 3:57:11 PM
#103:


Doom_Art posted...
Don't see why delaying a vote is so repulsive to Mal when the GOP delayed a vote on Garland for like a year


Republicans good, Democrats bad
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P4wn4g3
09/17/18 3:57:34 PM
#104:


Doom_Art posted...
Don't see why delaying a vote is so repulsive to Mal when the GOP delayed a vote on Garland for like a year

Yeah and what was that over exactly?
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