Board 8 > Sir Chris Music Mafia Topic 16: Everybody...hurts...

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Heres the scumboard, where you can see all the effort I put into the game just to be undone by Puns incredible 1 in 20 Day 1 scan and the final day
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Also I think corrik literally named the entire scum team day 1 as did puns.

That amused me.
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Thanks for hosting, Chris! Was a lot of fun!!

I think I do better/provide more/better content with fewer players

Might want to only sign up for smaller games going forward
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I had so much fun!

And I got suuuuuper drunk and shit all over Chris when I learned FD was scum.

And then the next day I felt like poooooooop.

And now I'm super proud of town for getting over the hump!

Excellent game. Mafia Lawyer is a fair role.

It's too bad some degenerate trolls couldn't stay quiet. But I don't think anything got too tainted.

I'm not even bummed about my Leo kill being assisted by literal scum, becase nothing will change the fact my abs were sore the next day from laughing at that flip.

My 5 scum list at end of day 1 was perfect, btw. Heeellll yeah. Sure Zam was a freebie, and Dumey was under my radar until the last 10 minutes, but nonetheless. Still cool.

I feel good about my activity this game. Even though I broke a couple eggs, I still got a lot done.

Oh and the town who succeeded me all failed to recognize that my final lynch list was specifically predicated on Tony being town. I said "if Crescent dies and I'm killed", which by our bomb plan implied Tony was town.

I did feel crummy over that one night when I was drunk and got really obnoxious toward red and to a lesser extent scare. I never did muster up the gall to go reread my posts. Too much shame.

And as for the whole thinking Tony was town when it was obvious to everyone else thing. I think you all underestimate the effect that my perspective had on that! I knew I was tracker the entire game - it didn't make me doubt Tony at all day 1. Because that was still a very ballsy scum counter. So my whole framework for the game had town watcher and town tracker from day 1. THEN the Mason Recruit came out THEN the lawyer THEN the cop THEN the target bomb, and...yeah I just needed a liiiittle extra time to come around to that. I just thought the power was totally off the charts! I did entertain him as scum during my last two days. It just wasn't my strongest hunch.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I was only lurking and kept F5ing the hell out of this.

Congrats on a town victory! Amazing how FD managed to earn everyone's trust, only to blow it on the final day. That was pretty good scum play there.

So what was plum's role?

I am going to calmly say this that I think FD played one of the worst scum games I have ever seen. He took a role that was suppose to confirm as town to the not very good eye (roles are banned that hurt town for lynching right. His role did not do that) and played so awful and purposely afked and even TALKED town into lynching him with like an hour left on a deadline.

All he has to literally do is shoot someone at night, and he wins this game no contest. Town had no reason to lynch before the game was down to 3 people. At all
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It's true though that this might be the LEAST accurate I've been as town all the way up into the final day. Those ISO's by Han were pretty telling. I'm surprised but happy that no one really clung onto that.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

So first off, I've been dealing with a sickness for awhile now but that's clearing up a bit, sorry for the lack of flavor for awhile. Had lots of good ideas planned for that.

Second off I warned everyone not to role meta.

Third let's discuss the game calmly.

really

I will say this again, I can't control what other people post on a public board. So people stop blaming me for randoms.

As for the last person, I have no idea who they were, I hadn't even followed the game except from the scum board. so not an alt.
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Im pretty proud of my actual play outside of my counter claim TBH.

Until the day Puns revealed, multiple people repeatedly said my thoughts were Town even without being confirmed.

I have to give Puns props on Dumey day 1, it was a hilarious laser-precision scan.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

DragonEnergy posted...

i am town mvp!

Oh yeah was this Ulti or Zam?

Ulti would 1000000000% never cross me like this. In a billion years. I know where the bodies are buried.

On the one hand Id be surprised if Ulti did something like that.

On the other hand Id be shocked if someone snatched the DragonEnergy alt and it wasnt Ulti. So Im torn!
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i should pick the last bad guy in every game, you guys need helps
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I will defend FD here. It's tough to play a good town game and then be alive in the final 4 as confirmed town. It's just... tough. I thought he played poorly but it was also part of the point.
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pjbasis posted...

What do you look for when you scumhunt corrik

Read why I said red and FD were scum day 1. Both were 100% accurate.
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I have to say I absolutely loved the maf lawyer move. It was bold, risky, and honestly who would ever suspect maf to off their own detective like that? A shame said detective didn't get a chance to use their assassin but I imagine they knew the risk factors before hand.
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DragonEnergy posted...

i should pick the last bad guy in every game, you guys need helps

How does it feel to realize your trolling is so impotent that you don't even matter. As our President would say, SAD.
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

So first off, I've been dealing with a sickness for awhile now but that's clearing up a bit, sorry for the lack of flavor for awhile. Had lots of good ideas planned for that.

Second off I warned everyone not to role meta.

Third let's discuss the game calmly.

really

I will say this again, I can't control what other people post on a public board. So people stop blaming me for randoms.

As for the last person, I have no idea who they were, I hadn't even followed the game except from the scum board. so not an alt.

Shut up, dude.

I was on the scumboard 90% of the time the game was going, and after you ragequit you didnt show up until magically the same time a random posted in the game.

You are a liar. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

So first off, I've been dealing with a sickness for awhile now but that's clearing up a bit, sorry for the lack of flavor for awhile. Had lots of good ideas planned for that.

Second off I warned everyone not to role meta.

Third let's discuss the game calmly.

really

I will say this again, I can't control what other people post on a public board. So people stop blaming me for randoms.

As for the last person, I have no idea who they were, I hadn't even followed the game except from the scum board. so not an alt.

It was someone that knew FD was mafia and that knew how mafia worked.

That said, I am pretty sure you got fucked over by your team here but I am gonna read the scumboard first before making that sweeping declaration
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While I'm irked at you for that unnecessarily hasty hammer, I'm impressed you read FD as Scum there, Ben.

Chris, I'm sorry you went through some rough stuff during the game, and I'm sorry I threw shade on you at that one point. I tried to apologize a lot but the message didn't send on discord for some reason.

Also, while I won't argue I was mvp at all... Hangut is fucking real. Tony AND FD on their first posts.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

DragonEnergy posted...

i am town mvp!

Oh yeah was this Ulti or Zam?

Ulti would 1000000000% never cross me like this. In a billion years. I know where the bodies are buried.

On the one hand Id be surprised if Ulti did something like that.

On the other hand Id be shocked if someone snatched the DragonEnergy alt and it wasnt Ulti. So Im torn!

I don't think dragon energy is zam or he would have used this account for his last alt try. That said, it doesn't mean the person didn't act on his direction.
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Corrik posted...

That said, I am pretty sure you got f***ed over by your team here but I am gonna read the scumboard first before making that sweeping declaration

He absolutely did not, I urge you to read.
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Dark Young Link posted...

I have to say I absolutely loved the maf lawyer move. It was bold, risky, and honestly who would ever suspect maf to off their own detective like that? A shame said detective didn't get a chance to use their assassin but I imagine they knew the risk factors before hand.

I told Chris that FD was definitely scum the moment he lawyered. Then I had to go do something stupid and protect eaed and get shot for it.
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Oh btw, when FD lawyered Leo he lawyered our extra kill before we used it.

FD town MVP, lol.
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Corrik posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

I have to say I absolutely loved the maf lawyer move. It was bold, risky, and honestly who would ever suspect maf to off their own detective like that? A shame said detective didn't get a chance to use their assassin but I imagine they knew the risk factors before hand.

I told Chris that FD was definitely scum the moment he lawyered. Then I had to go do something stupid and protect eaed and get shot for it.

Corrik posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

DragonEnergy posted...

i am town mvp!

Oh yeah was this Ulti or Zam?

Ulti would 1000000000% never cross me like this. In a billion years. I know where the bodies are buried.

On the one hand Id be surprised if Ulti did something like that.

On the other hand Id be shocked if someone snatched the DragonEnergy alt and it wasnt Ulti. So Im torn!

I don't think dragon energy is zam or he would have used this account for his last alt try. That said, it doesn't mean the person didn't act on his direction.

No Zam started showing up on the scumboard at the same time he posted as DragonEnergy. It was Zam.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Oh btw, when FD lawyered Leo he lawyered our extra kill before we used it.

FD town MVP, lol.

After I specifically mentioned the crazy idea on the scumboard with the instructions to absolutely not do it.
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The issue Zam is that all three instances made you look suspect.

The first was a random who magically appeared to defend you giving up and claiming maf. "He took one for the team guys, stop being so mean!"... except I don't really recall anyone publicly being all that mean to you. If you got chewed out on the maf board, then that would beg the question why that user would know about it. Especially considering said user had a topic asking about you a couple of months old.

The second user was firebolt who went to the same private maf board as you. He also came in to defend you and chastised the players for "being toxic". Despite the fact that no toxicity was in public view.

And the last jerk was some random who decided to come along and say "Oh, FD is the last maf guys!" based off of no conceivable viable information.

I'm not saying "You're 100% responsible and I have absolute proof". What I am saying is that all three instances make you look incredibly suspicious, and that's the nicest way I can put it.
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Wow, I was sure it was Zach. Good job town

Btw after all that bomb theory crafting we did, in the end Puns was the name removed which made all our convoluted scenarios pretty pointless!
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I have to give Puns props on Dumey day 1, it was a hilarious laser-precision scan.

I'll gladly take your props. It took a lot of mafia skill and expertise for me to say "two random tracks"

MZero11 posted...

Wow, I was sure it was Zach. Good job town

Btw after all that bomb theory crafting we did, in the end Puns was the name removed which made all our convoluted scenarios pretty pointless!

btw best solution was to just submit the two names and have those two names get on the lynch. Guaranteed either 1 confirm or 1 scum dead.
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Btw Ben, I think this may have been the first time I've ever been mislynched in 10 years of playing, so you're officially the worst Town player in B8 history :P
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Okay no he told his teammate to counterclaim him. Well that was dumb.
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turbopuns2 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I have to give Puns props on Dumey day 1, it was a hilarious laser-precision scan.

I'll gladly take your props. It took a lot of mafia skill and expertise for me to say "two random tracks"

LMFAO, combine that with Puns being removed, and the RNGod hates me.
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red13n posted...

MZero11 posted...

Wow, I was sure it was Zach. Good job town

Btw after all that bomb theory crafting we did, in the end Puns was the name removed which made all our convoluted scenarios pretty pointless!

btw best solution was to just submit the two names and have those two names get on the lynch. Guaranteed either 1 confirm or 1 scum dead.

Uh, no
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red13n posted...

No Zam started showing up on the scumboard at the same time he posted as DragonEnergy. It was Zam.

I believe it then
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I'm a little bit frustrated with how I played, and I just want to voice it here.

First of all, I'm happy with my cop scans. Without either of them I think we likely would have lost the game (although I must thank PJ for the Tange one as well). I think Ben gets lynched before even Han and Death without the scan, and Dumey may have coasted by a little longer.

That's about all of my play that I'm happy with. My D3 ending was shocking. I was all but certain Red was scum, and I second guessed myself too much. If I pushed for him more, the game becomes that much easier. My D5 was equally as bad, I think the Scare fake was a decent move, but I didn't so much as attempt to dig into any of the others I was suspicious of, regardless of whether it would have helped in the end. I didn't voice my townread of Death nearly enough either, considering I was basically screaming at y'all not to lynch him from the moment you started voting. He was obvious town to me, but I think partially due to not being an aggressive player and partially because of timezones hindering interaction, he was a pretty easy target. If I set him up as a more difficult lynch, other options would hopefully have been looked at first. Of course, some part of it is on Death himself, but I'm annoyed I couldn't make it clear that he was a poor lynch.
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I don't think I have the mental energy to read the scum board right now. Should probably save that for tomorrow

Still think town had too many power to turn kills/lynches around on us.

Town had 4 roles that could potentially murder us(Bus Driver, Elite BG, Vigi, incredibly broken target bomb).
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

red13n posted...

MZero11 posted...

Wow, I was sure it was Zach. Good job town

Btw after all that bomb theory crafting we did, in the end Puns was the name removed which made all our convoluted scenarios pretty pointless!

btw best solution was to just submit the two names and have those two names get on the lynch. Guaranteed either 1 confirm or 1 scum dead.

Uh, no

Yes. The night that he knew he had red scanned as scum. You put your two biggest scum suspects alone on the lynch. 1 is guarranteed to be removed if town. You shoot the other. Only problem would be if both are scum. But honestly the power and talk around it was derailing the topic and should never have come up. It was way too easy to just kill even more town. It was a stroke of luck that worked out.
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I absolutely did not see town winning this thing I thought FD would ride that Lawyer to the end game. Also, I feel like I've been out of this game for two weeks and dont even know the events of day 3.

I know this doesnt say much but I gotta give credit to Red. I had him on my top of my scum list every day and the one time he was closed to being lynch I let myself get snowed. And I knew it after the fact too I just got so snowed in the moment but I gotta credit red for beating me in that moment.
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Sheep007 posted...

He was obvious town to me, but I think partially due to not being an aggressive player and partially because of timezones hindering interaction, he was a pretty easy target.

This is always the case with death and has been for over a decade. It's unfortunate but kind of charming in a way. If you are ever at lylo with death you should lynch him.

Nice job lynching a town confirmable role. I don't know much besides that. But I'm pretty happy people were willing to think outside the box even if the theory was wrong (iirc the contending theory here was that the janitor stole Plum's role as lawyer?).
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I barely read the game so I can't comment otherwise though.
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Also, Sheep I dont understand the way you kept coming at my blocking of Panthera. We all thought he was the roleblocker. It made sense based on the information we had at the time.
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Corrik posted...

Yes. The night that he knew he had red scanned as scum. You put your two biggest scum suspects alone on the lynch. 1 is guarranteed to be removed if town. You shoot the other. Only problem would be if both are scum. But honestly the power and talk around it was derailing the topic and should never have come up. It was way too easy to just kill even more town. It was a stroke of luck that worked out.

Not that night. I should have counted as Town Vanilla for the bomb.

Which I think actually would have inadvertently confirmed town without them knowing I didnt count as scum.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I absolutely did not see town winning this thing I thought FD would ride that Lawyer to the end game. Also, I feel like I've been out of this game for two weeks and dont even know the events of day 3.

I know this doesnt say much but I gotta give credit to Red. I had him on my top of my scum list every day and the one time he was closed to being lynch I let myself get snowed. And I knew it after the fact too I just got so snowed in the moment but I gotta credit red for beating me in that moment.

He literally did basically nothing. Just said to lynch the guy who literally had a reason for being afk and wasn't making up a reason to avoid the lynch when he was at no point even a lynch target. Red's reasoning there made no sense and why anyone listened to it (looking at you scare) is beyond me.

What you think as scum he isn't gonna do something to try and stay alive?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Btw Ben, I think this may have been the first time I've ever been mislynched in 10 years of playing, so you're officially the worst Town player in B8 history :P

I'm sorry about that ;-;

I don't know if there was any way it could have gone better though. Once we targeted each other there was no way either of us were going to look at the Lawyer over in the corner. And now at least you know why I didnt want your proposition to happen. Even if it made me look scummy.

I've also got a record going of not being mislynched, but it has happened to me once. In the american horror story game. My first game with Blade. I butted heads with him immediately and he was able to make me look like trash. We were both town. I just thought his natural behavior was scummy. Now I know
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Yeah, Red started posting more on the scumboard around and after his death, but I was the only person on Scumteam who actively played.

It was rough.
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The thing was, if he didn't mason he was basically confirmed scum, and if he did he was pretty likely to be Town. I'd pick that over a possible single Watcher scan every time.
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I was very surprised by the decision to not kill anyone. As soon as that result was posted my hope went from literally nil to "holy shit we have a really good chance now". I don't think I would have hesitated to shoot ben but you never really know what your perspective would be in a differen situation

oh no people got mislynched in a game of mafia lol you guys are fucking n00bbbbbbbbbbbbbbssssssssssss (mostly hanofthenekos, though) xd

i remember when i got the king n00b blade lynched as town though AS SCUM trofl rofl n00bs feel bad about your pride (jk that was bullshit blade, plus i was scum)
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turbopuns2 posted...

I was very surprised by the decision to not kill anyone. As soon as that result was posted my hope went from literally nil to "holy shit we have a really good chance now". I don't think I would have hesitated to shoot ben but you never really know what your perspective would be in a differen situation

Tbh, the logic of "Tange and Ben straightup promised each other to vote the third, so Zach kept FD alive" should have taken the day.
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For the record, typically scum has a better chance of winning with 4 remaining than 3.

FD was just...not active enough to make a credible push.
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