Board 8 > Sir Chris Music Mafia Topic 16: Everybody...hurts...

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I would absolutely have shot Ben in that f4. The only person who stood to gain from a no kill was obviously FD and I don't think an f3 of Tange and Zach considers FD that strongly. All it takes is one vote from one against the other and a hammer wins it.
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Oh yeah, it was pretty funny how Panth's two most town-seeming recruit targets were both scum

red13n posted...

For the record, typically scum has a better chance of winning with 4 remaining than 3.

agreed 100x btw, people questioning the NK there is weird

1/4 chance to be right is better than 1/3 chance to be right (or 2/3 and 1/2 for townies)
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red13n posted...

For the record, typically scum has a better chance of winning with 4 remaining than 3.

I agree with this but not in this case I don't think

Red was so scared of me he wanted to argue to modkill me? Lol. Especially when I said I wasn't gonna say anything about it but then crescent was so I was like fuck it it's already been done at this point.
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Also seriously guys puns has tony dead to rights with the no roleblock and somehow you let him weasel out of that and not get insta-lynched. Scum with confirmed two remaining has 0 reason to trade in that scenario. As soon as the no action from dumey was out in the opened Tony should have been nailed to the wall by everyone.
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Corrik posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

I absolutely did not see town winning this thing I thought FD would ride that Lawyer to the end game. Also, I feel like I've been out of this game for two weeks and dont even know the events of day 3.

I know this doesnt say much but I gotta give credit to Red. I had him on my top of my scum list every day and the one time he was closed to being lynch I let myself get snowed. And I knew it after the fact too I just got so snowed in the moment but I gotta credit red for beating me in that moment.

He literally did basically nothing. Just said to lynch the guy who literally had a reason for being afk and wasn't making up a reason to avoid the lynch when he was at no point even a lynch target. Red's reasoning there made no sense and why anyone listened to it (looking at you scare) is beyond me.

What you think as scum he isn't gonna do something to try and stay alive?

I mean that's really easy to say when you were already out of the game. And it's even in my PM to Chris that night that I screwed up but in the moment the things he was saying made more sense than the things IGCD werent saying and then the people on IGCD
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Sheep007 posted...

I would absolutely have shot Ben in that f4. The only person who stood to gain from a no kill was obviously FD and I don't think an f3 of Tange and Zach considers FD that strongly. All it takes is one vote from one against the other and a hammer wins it.

Zach or Ben, in that order, were the easiest of the 3 for sure. (I think the no kill made Ben look better, but it made Zach look awful).

FD decided to go after Tange though.

My post from the scumboard:

Aug 27, 2018 2:01:13 GMT -5 drdre said:
Going with the ol Townread the easier lynch and Scumread the harder ones routine.

Bold move, Cotton.

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Corrik posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

DragonEnergy posted...

i am town mvp!

Oh yeah was this Ulti or Zam?

Ulti would 1000000000% never cross me like this. In a billion years. I know where the bodies are buried.

On the one hand Id be surprised if Ulti did something like that.

On the other hand Id be shocked if someone snatched the DragonEnergy alt and it wasnt Ulti. So Im torn!

I don't think dragon energy is zam or he would have used this account for his last alt try. That said, it doesn't mean the person didn't act on his direction.

It's clearly a Trump fan which is why I thought maybe Ulti. It also had like zero active posts before the ones in here, so like you said it wasn't an "accident".
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greengravy294 posted...

red13n posted...

For the record, typically scum has a better chance of winning with 4 remaining than 3.

agreed 100x btw, people questioning the NK there is weird

1/4 chance to be right is better than 1/3 chance to be right (or 2/3 and 1/2 for townies)

I mean yes mathematically over 100 games

I kin do num3rz

But in this situation I disagree

I spent that entire day after that no kill thinking "Well FD is probably scum and he's definitely not going to get lynched"

How did he actually get lynched?

turbopuns "steven piece of bread" stinks i hope he was scum
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Corrik posted...

Red was so scared of me he wanted to argue to modkill me? Lol. Especially when I said I wasn't gonna say anything about it but then crescent was so I was like fuck it it's already been done at this point.

no I wanted to modkill you because zam fucked us and confirmed you and we needed the numbers.

I even agreed modkilling you would be dumb because there was no way to punish Zam further(Zam is absolutely banned from all mafia here forever).
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greengravy294 posted...

red13n posted...

For the record, typically scum has a better chance of winning with 4 remaining than 3.

agreed 100x btw, people questioning the NK there is weird

1/4 chance to be right is better than 1/3 chance to be right (or 2/3 and 1/2 for townies)

Town has no reason to lynch there and not wait for the next kill. Scum has no reason to no kill over leaving a "confirmed" FD there. You have to kill and argue that it was because of someone being on to something
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Corrik posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

I absolutely did not see town winning this thing I thought FD would ride that Lawyer to the end game. Also, I feel like I've been out of this game for two weeks and dont even know the events of day 3.

I know this doesnt say much but I gotta give credit to Red. I had him on my top of my scum list every day and the one time he was closed to being lynch I let myself get snowed. And I knew it after the fact too I just got so snowed in the moment but I gotta credit red for beating me in that moment.

He literally did basically nothing. Just said to lynch the guy who literally had a reason for being afk and wasn't making up a reason to avoid the lynch when he was at no point even a lynch target. Red's reasoning there made no sense and why anyone listened to it (looking at you scare) is beyond me.

What you think as scum he isn't gonna do something to try and stay alive?

I mean that's really easy to say when you were already out of the game. And it's even in my PM to Chris that night that I screwed up but in the moment the things he was saying made more sense than the things IGCD werent saying and then the people on IGCD

IGCD who was never a Lynch candidate who said he had a very specific reason for why he would be away. Is who red went after with timestamp arguments of all things which is a Bush league move. The fact you think a town red can't make a better argument than timestamps on a person who is not a Lynch candidate and also has a hard to make up story for specifically being afk during certain hours (and timestamps update automatically even if not on the website if your browser is open).

I mean, come on now.
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Corrik posted...

Town has no reason to lynch there and not wait for the next kill. Scum has no reason to no kill over leaving a "confirmed" FD there. You have to kill and argue that it was because of someone being on to something

Its huge wifom either way.

FD just never really argued it which was the problem.
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Corrik posted...

(and timestamps update automatically even if not on the website if your browser is open).

what? No they don't. You need to F5 unless something has changed.
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Corrik posted...

greengravy294 posted...

red13n posted...

For the record, typically scum has a better chance of winning with 4 remaining than 3.

agreed 100x btw, people questioning the NK there is weird

1/4 chance to be right is better than 1/3 chance to be right (or 2/3 and 1/2 for townies)

Town has no reason to lynch there and not wait for the next kill. Scum has no reason to no kill over leaving a "confirmed" FD there. You have to kill and argue that it was because of someone being on to something

i mean if scum lynches town in a 1v4 theres no reason to shoot.

the circumstance doesnt mean much. final 4 is always better than final 3, probability wise. play wise, who knows, i dont know what fd did at all. for all i know he could have done that whole thing from the last game where he was lynched (as town) and was depressed and said pls no lynch me but i dunno i read maybe 3% of the game.
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I did expect myself to be killed over FD even if he was town, though.

Well when I wasnt caught up it did make a lot more sense.
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and yes i agree if you are pondering town NLing there: if i am town at f4 i will always vote for no lynch. town can stall the game indefinitely until scum makes a move.
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red13n posted...

Corrik posted...

Town has no reason to lynch there and not wait for the next kill. Scum has no reason to no kill over leaving a "confirmed" FD there. You have to kill and argue that it was because of someone being on to something

Its huge wifom either way.

FD just never really argued it which was the problem.

FD did too much riding off of his mislynch from Tiny Toons. As soon as I saw the no kill I immediately suspected him for it.

yeah dragonenergy isn't me probably ulti

CrystalizedPony is my younger half brother (likes to troll me as well) who got a butt chewing after that

bolt well we all know.

so there's all the extras

As for me directing them, Me and my brother rarely speak, Bolt and i are playing a different game together and Dragon, who know,

so, try blaming me again
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greengravy294 posted...

oh no people got mislynched in a game of mafia lol you guys are fucking n00bbbbbbbbbbbbbbssssssssssss (mostly hanofthenekos, though) xd

i remember when i got the king n00b blade lynched as town though AS SCUM trofl rofl n00bs feel bad about your pride (jk that was bullshit blade, plus i was scum)

I don't understand. Is this an attempt at humor? It's slightly worse than how Zam acted during the events of this game.

Corrik posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

red13n posted...

MZero11 posted...

Wow, I was sure it was Zach. Good job town

Btw after all that bomb theory crafting we did, in the end Puns was the name removed which made all our convoluted scenarios pretty pointless!

btw best solution was to just submit the two names and have those two names get on the lynch. Guaranteed either 1 confirm or 1 scum dead.

Uh, no

Yes. The night that he knew he had red scanned as scum. You put your two biggest scum suspects alone on the lynch. 1 is guarranteed to be removed if town. You shoot the other. Only problem would be if both are scum. But honestly the power and talk around it was derailing the topic and should never have come up. It was way too easy to just kill even more town. It was a stroke of luck that worked out.

I mean, I wanted to use the MZero test that day, but too many people were convinced that we couldn't trust that Red's Unscannable had an effect on it.

But even still Corrik, Red isn't describing that day. Red was talking about a time with only two names. There were 3 names that day.

Pay attention :P
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red13n posted...

Corrik posted...

Town has no reason to lynch there and not wait for the next kill. Scum has no reason to no kill over leaving a "confirmed" FD there. You have to kill and argue that it was because of someone being on to something

Its huge wifom either way.

FD just never really argued it which was the problem.

FD multiple times in the game was posting in other topics while arguing he was too busy to post in the game. It was pretty blatant.
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greengravy294 posted...

and yes i agree if you are pondering town NLing there: if i am town at f4 i will always vote for no lynch. town can stall the game indefinitely until scum makes a move.

And... Scum can stall the game indefinitely, too. Town has no control, and after a no kill, there is no reason to no lynch unless you are stalling for more time to talk.

red13n posted...

Corrik posted...

(and timestamps update automatically even if not on the website if your browser is open).

what? No they don't. You need to F5 unless something has changed.

My timestamps have updated all the time while I have not been online and I have stated this many times to people who use that argument.
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no one cares, go away, we don't want you here alakazamtrainer

bye.

go ruin games on some other message board
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

so, try blaming me again

I blame you.
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As for the game, Chris leaned very town biased with his rulings, so it's at best a hollowed town victory.
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red13n posted...

Also seriously guys puns has tony dead to rights with the no roleblock and somehow you let him weasel out of that and not get insta-lynched. Scum with confirmed two remaining has 0 reason to trade in that scenario. As soon as the no action from dumey was out in the opened Tony should have been nailed to the wall by everyone.

Scare had already claimed scum to everyone, so there was no reason to switch. Puns himself was also.. Defending Tony.

red13n posted...

Also seriously guys puns has tony dead to rights with the no roleblock and somehow you let him weasel out of that and not get insta-lynched. Scum with confirmed two remaining has 0 reason to trade in that scenario. As soon as the no action from dumey was out in the opened Tony should have been nailed to the wall by everyone.

An excellent reason in support of why town shouldn't quit playing and actively troll the game when the cop claims a guilty on them

We didn't play perfectly that day but scare really let the idea of him being scum sink in too deep. He needed to show up with more than 2 hours left if he didn't want to get lynched. It didn't help that the final 2 hours was the only point in that game day I couldn't be around

But he did nudge me to reveal in the first place so ^5 scare

Crescent-Moon posted...

greengravy294 posted...

and yes i agree if you are pondering town NLing there: if i am town at f4 i will always vote for no lynch. town can stall the game indefinitely until scum makes a move.

And... Scum can stall the game indefinitely, too. Town has no control, and after a no kill, there is no reason to no lynch unless you are stalling for more time to talk.

yeah but the game actually "progresses" at day time since thats the period to outwit your opponents. if everyone disagrees on a lynch the impetus rests on scum to progress the game. otherwise the game is a no contest, imo, as both sides do not wish to progress the game.

just my opinion.
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greengravy294 posted...

no one cares, go away, we don't want you here alakazamtrainer

bye.

go ruin games on some other message board

if I truly wanted to ruin a game, dude, I would have annoced who was scum when I was lynched
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

As for the game, Chris leaned very town biased with his rulings, so it's at best a hollowed town victory.

Why? Because he modkilled you?
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Puns himself was also.. Defending Tony.

I'm aware. It was just...confusing. Very confusing. Because Tony was deader than dead.

Simplest explanation people.
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greengravy294 posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

greengravy294 posted...

and yes i agree if you are pondering town NLing there: if i am town at f4 i will always vote for no lynch. town can stall the game indefinitely until scum makes a move.

And... Scum can stall the game indefinitely, too. Town has no control, and after a no kill, there is no reason to no lynch unless you are stalling for more time to talk.

yeah but the game actually "progresses" at day time since thats the period to outwit your opponents. if everyone disagrees on a lynch the impetus rests on scum to progress the game. otherwise the game is a no contest, imo, as both sides do not wish to progress the game.

just my opinion.

I disagree. I think the impetus is on town to make the decision.

red13n posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Puns himself was also.. Defending Tony.

I'm aware. It was just...confusing. Very confusing. Because Tony was deader than dead.

Simplest explanation people.

I posted a giant Occam's Razor wall about it.

Is that MVP vote at the end gonna be a proper thing, Chris?
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Crescent-Moon posted...

red13n posted...

Also seriously guys puns has tony dead to rights with the no roleblock and somehow you let him weasel out of that and not get insta-lynched. Scum with confirmed two remaining has 0 reason to trade in that scenario. As soon as the no action from dumey was out in the opened Tony should have been nailed to the wall by everyone.

Scare had already claimed scum to everyone, so there was no reason to switch. Puns himself was also.. Defending Tony.

Honestly, Scare didn't actually claim Scum, people basically said to him they had decided he was scum and couldn't be budged, and he got rightfully frustrated.

The Town was soooooo willing to follow the scans this game (ironically, except when Puns caught Dumey->me), I think one time Han even said "I'm not even reading your posts, if you flip Town I'll go back and read them".

Unfortunately, I couldn't exactly capitalize on the sheep-ness because I had to play as boxed-in power.

Which reminds me, I literally did watch Red kill Sultan on Sheep, so the people who were questioning why I saw the "unscanneable" do it? I dunno.
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By the way crescent, a way after thought I had. If I was scum faking day 1 I would have just outright claimed miller and stuck to it immediately. I don't always do crazy things as scum, but when I do, I just do 'em and throw caution to the wind

Funny looking back that the two miller claims were cop and tracker

Neither of those were actually claims though
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DoubleTangicide posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

As for the game, Chris leaned very town biased with his rulings, so it's at best a hollowed town victory.

Why? Because he modkilled you?

modkilled me and not modkilled Zack.

but as someone said, I'm no longer welcome so I shall leave, I've said my piece, which after being called liar despite proving people wrong, just shows how narrow minded people are here.
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turbopuns2 posted...

By the way crescent, a way after thought I had. If I was scum faking day 1 I would have just outright claimed miller and stuck to it immediately. I don't always do crazy things as scum, but when I do, I just do 'em and throw caution to the wind

It was more a matter that I had just seen you talking about doing exactly that as scum, and I immediately got paranoid about it.

But once that settled I got off. You felt more open this game than you did in PW.

For my two cents - I'm still upset about the Scum Lawyer and feel that a lot of my time, including birthday time, was somewhat wasted by the situation.

The role is against the rules. The rules clearly state "there is no role that acts to the sole detriment of Town". That should include a Jack with a power to take away a mislynch AND kill a teammate. Mislynches are how Scum wins games.

It's like saying that a princess would be allowed in the game because she had 1 cop scan. I don't give a care about the 1 cop scan, it's still a princess.

The thing is, including the lawyer role against that role confirms that it is in place in conflict with existing B8 meta. As in, it is expected for the person who uses it to be considered Town, no questions asked.

If any single player in the game had that role aside from FD, Scum wins easily. Even with such a strong Town, in a meta where Mayor is a role that is banned in Scum version, Scum should have won easily. Hell, and Tange can disagree if he wants, I only think Town won because Zam decided to keep being a child and call out FD as last Scum.

I realize a lot of people have come around to agree with the Scum Lawyer, but seriously, any other player in this game should have been able to ride that role to an easy win (no offense, FD).
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

As for the game, Chris leaned very town biased with his rulings, so it's at best a hollowed town victory.

Why? Because he modkilled you?

modkilled me and not modkilled Zack.

but as someone said, I'm no longer welcome so I shall leave, I've said my piece, which after being called liar despite proving people wrong, just shows how narrow minded people are here.

Isn't it a school night for you? Go to bed already.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

The role is against the rules. The rules clearly state "there is no role that acts to the sole detriment of Town". That should include a Jack with a power to take away a mislynch AND kill a teammate. Mislynches are how Scum wins games.

...Taking away a mislynch and killing a teammate is not a detriment to Town.

Edit: Although no offense to FD, I do agree with the rest of your post. If I was Town I'd have thought the same thing.
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Sorry, I meant "to the sole detriment of their team".
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

The thing is, including the lawyer role against that role confirms that it is in place in conflict with existing B8 meta. As in, it is expected for the person who uses it to be considered Town, no questions asked.

That sounds like metaing a Chris game.
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