Poll of the Day > Multiple fatalities reported at gaming tournament in Florida.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/26/us/jacksonville-landing-mass-shooting-madden-tournament.html

The authorities in Jacksonville, Fla., said there were multiple fatalities at a mass shooting on Sunday at a bar that was hosting a live gaming event during which 12 gunshots could be heard.

The Jacksonville Sheriffs Office said on Twitter that many had been transported but additional details were not immediately available.

The office reported that one gunman was dead at the scene and it was unclear whether there was another. Officials said searches were continuing.

Just before the shots were heard on the live stream, a red laser dot appeared on the chest of one of the players, who was wearing white headphones and a red sweatshirt. The video of the players then disappeared.

Sujeil Lopez was at home in Tampa Bay, Fla., when she got a call that her son, who goes by Larry, 25, had been shot.

I have to get to him. I am four hours away from him and I have to get to my son, Ms. Lopez said on the phone.

He was shot three times, once on the nipple, once on his hand and somewhere else, Ms. Lopez said. She did not know his condition.

Her son is a professional video game player for the Bucks Gaming team, according to his Twitter profile.

Another person on Twitter, Drini Gjoka, said a bullet struck him in a thumb.

On Twitter, the sheriffs office said there had been a mass shooting at the Jacksonville Landing, a collection of restaurant and stores. Stay far away from the area. The area is not safe at this time, it said in the tweet.

In another tweet three minutes later, the office said: We cant stress enough to stay away. Many blocks away.

The office added in another tweet: We are finding many people hiding in locked areas at The Landing. We ask you to stay calm, stay where you are hiding. SWAT is doing a methodical search inside The Landing. We will get to you. Please dont come running out.

The shooting happened at the GLHF Game Bar, which was hosting a tournament that viewers could watch on Twitch, a gaming network owned by Amazon.

A video clip shared on Twitter, which has since been taken down, showed the football video game Madden on a television screen.

Someone playing as the Atlanta Falcons appeared to have scored, and was kicking off. Tournament commentators remarked that the players were so good that it would not be easy to knock anyone out of the tournament.

Then the sound of gunfire begins. Several shots are heard, one after another.

Run run run run run pass run run run, one viewer said in a comment stream.

Then as the shots sound, commenters repeatedly said oh my god.

Is there a shooting? a viewer asked.

Thats a gun, said another.

The video then cut off.

The bar was scheduled to host a qualifying round for the Madden NFL Championship Series, a gaming tournament. It was using Twitch, a popular live-streaming gaming platform, to allow other gamers to watch players participating in the tournament.

Spectators watch the games, hoping to pick up skills and tips from more experienced gamers.

My brother lives in Jacksonville.

Apparently nowhere is safe.
Shootings at schools
Shootings at churchs
Shootings at malls
Shootings at movie theaters
Shootings at workplaces
Shootings at video game tournaments
Smh
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TyVulpine posted...

Apparently nowhere is safe.

Nowhere has ever been safe. The harsh reality is that life is very fragile and never truly protected. If someone wants you dead and they don't care about the consequences, they will find a way. It's just plain bad luck to be a part of something like that in most cases.

First time I hear about a shooting in a video game tournament.
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Terrible thing to happen.
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Someone get that one onion article
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Safer_777 posted...

First time I hear about a shooting in a video game tournament.

Clear and definitive proof that we need to ban violent video games once and for all.


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TyVulpine posted...

Apparently nowhere is safe.
Shootings at schools
Shootings at churchs
Shootings at malls
Shootings at movie theaters
Shootings at workplaces
Shootings at video game tournaments
Smh

You mean nowhere in the United States, right? Mass shootings are pretty much an American issue. While they occur elsewhere, it is hardly with the same severity.

Its those got dang vidya games Ill tell you hooat

you just had to use the word fatalities, didn't you
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As a non American I can never understand why these things happen. Also I guess that this means that playing video games makes you violent?
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Safer_777 posted...

As a non American I can never understand why these things happen.

Given access to something, people will use it. What they'll use it for? That's up to them. Simple as that.

Really wish that America would get with the times and ban guns already. You'd see a lot of short-term hurt over it, but things would be better in the long run.

Safer_777 posted...

As a non American I can never understand why these things happen. Also I guess that this means that playing video games makes you violent?

Not necessarily.

People with unresolved/unstable psychological issues may be more prone to violent actions when they reach a breaking point, like losing a video game competition. Stands to reason that people with unresolved and/or unstable psychological issues should never have had access to guns.

don't watch that video.

Holy shit.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

don't watch that video.

Holy shit.

Eh, it's pretty tame. Not to take away from how horrible the situation was. I'm actually envious of your innocence.

GanglyKhan posted...

The harsh reality is that life is very fragile and never truly protected.

Whoa thats fucking deep bro
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GanglyKhan posted...

Really wish that America would get with the times and ban guns already. You'd see a lot of short-term hurt over it, but things would be better in the long run.

Really wish that Switzerland would get with the times and ban guns already. Oh wait, they dont have problems with shootings. It's almost like violence in America is rooted more deeply in the culture than just access to guns

GanglyKhan posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

don't watch that video.

Holy shit.

Eh, it's pretty tame. Not to take away from how horrible the situation was. I'm actually envious of your innocence.

the fucking laser sight made me uncomfortable.

Also i never said it was graphic.
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Holy shit you can see the laser on the red hoodie guy's shirt
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OhhhJa posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Really wish that America would get with the times and ban guns already. You'd see a lot of short-term hurt over it, but things would be better in the long run.

Really wish that Switzerland would get with the times and ban guns already. Oh wait, they dont have problems with shootings. It's almost like violence in America is rooted more deeply in the culture than just access to guns

Sarcasm doesn't help your case, first off lol
How do you think that America could reach the same mindset of a country like Switzerland? I have very little knowledge on their culture, but I doubt a nationwide change could be made to change the American stance on gun violence like that. Even then, your post seems self-defeating. If violence is deeply rooted, then wouldn't cutting off access to a tool used for violence be a good start? Certainly easier than convincing 300 million people to never shoot each other.

Kimbos_Egg posted...

the fucking laser sight made me uncomfortable.

Also i never said it was graphic.

Ah, I thought your reaction was more about the yelling in the background. I'm still impressed with how calm that one dude was, he just says "what did he shoot me with?" in the same tone of voice as a serious conversation.

GanglyKhan posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

the fucking laser sight made me uncomfortable.

Also i never said it was graphic.

Ah, I thought your reaction was more about the yelling in the background. I'm still impressed with how calm that one dude was, he just says "what did he shoot me with?" in the same tone of voice as a serious conversation.

its amazing how calm you can be when you're seriously hurt.

speaking from experience.
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Can people just chill

Quit shooting each other, you can do so many other things. Who wants to go and shoot people when you can just relax and eat sandwiches
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This will keep continuing as long as mental health services aren't readily available and affordable. It's time for mental health reform.
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Who won the tournament?

GanglyKhan posted...

OhhhJa posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Really wish that America would get with the times and ban guns already. You'd see a lot of short-term hurt over it, but things would be better in the long run.

Really wish that Switzerland would get with the times and ban guns already. Oh wait, they dont have problems with shootings. It's almost like violence in America is rooted more deeply in the culture than just access to guns

Sarcasm doesn't help your case, first off lol
How do you think that America could reach the same mindset of a country like Switzerland? I have very little knowledge on their culture, but I doubt a nationwide change could be made to change the American stance on gun violence like that. Even then, your post seems self-defeating. If violence is deeply rooted, then wouldn't cutting off access to a tool used for violence be a good start? Certainly easier than convincing 300 million people to never shoot each other.

Banning guns wouldn't solve the culture of violence. It would be attempting to apply a band aid to someone who had their arm cut off. But also, yeah, america is a lot more complicated than any country that we're compared to when it comes to gun violence

OhhhJa posted...

But also, yeah, america is a lot more complicated than any country that we're compared to when it comes to gun violence

"Hey, why can't you implement the same policies that work so well for a nation that is essentially an island where 90% of the population live in cities, and there's hardly any open wilderness areas whatsoever?"

"Hey, why can't you just do the same thing they do in this other country with a 95% homogeneous population? Surely the fact that the US has one of the most heterogeneous populations on the face of the Earth won't alter the outcome in any possible way."


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This is maddening
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that's some crazy DLC.
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This is why the Madden games are terrible now.
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No place is safe in America.

"This is disgusting! I hate Americans!! I hate America!!!"
- American sweetheart & entertainer, Ariana Grande (July 2015)

GanglyKhan posted...

Safer_777 posted...

As a non American I can never understand why these things happen.

Given access to something, people will use it. What they'll use it for? That's up to them. Simple as that.

Really wish that America would get with the times and ban guns already. You'd see a lot of short-term hurt over it, but things would be better in the long run.

Oh I totally agree! We should ban guns from law-abiding citizens because of some lunatics. That'll totally solve the problem!

I mean it's totally working for EU right? They're totally safe with all their acid attacks, bombings, people getting ran over by vehicles, stabbing and women getting assaulted and raped daily.

But yeah guns are the problem. Let's focus on getting rid of those.
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^You are literally too ignorant to argue with and not worth my time.

GanglyKhan posted...

^You are literally too ignorant to argue with and not worth my time.

He has a point. You won't end violence by removing a tool used to commit it. You end violence by changing our culture that repeatedly uses violence to solve problems. Hell, in America, violence is used to stimulate the economy. So yea, guns aren't causing the violence.
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Sunny.
Come on, man. I have more history with you than that guy, so I'll humor you for discussion.

Can people plus guns cause violence? Yes.
Can taking away guns stop human caused violence? No.
Can taking away guns have a severe reduction of human caused gun violence?

I'm gonna let you answer that last one for yourself. Listen, the real issue here isn't violence, it's the amount of bodies left dead at the end of the day due to gun violence. How do you reduce that?

Again, gonna let you answer that one.

GanglyKhan posted...

Can taking away guns have a severe reduction of human caused gun violence?

Gun violence, yes. All violence, no. People can kill people with hammers. Should we ban hammers?

GanglyKhan posted...

the real issue here isn't violence,

Yes, this is the only issue, focusing on the tool and not the actual problem, general violence (*salute*), is preventing us from actually stopping people from hurting each other to solve a problem. The tool used is irrelevant as long as people, and society, continue to use violence to solve problems.

So please, stop parroting "it's the guns!", because it isn't. It's the culture that violence is a problem solver.
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how many mass hammerings have happened in the past year
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ArvTheGreat posted...

maddening

E.A. Sports
It's in the game!

I love how everyone becomes neo from the matrix when a gun is fired
people are just like well when they start shooting from their car at 30mph in the middle of rush hour traffic I'll pull out and save the day, really the only people that should have guns are cops/military and business owners
I don't even think hunters should own guns

Nade Duck posted...

how many mass hammerings have happened in the past year

My point is if you remove guns, they'll use knives, hammers, rocks, arrows to the knee, etc., to commit the act of violence.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Nade Duck posted...

how many mass hammerings have happened in the past year

My point is if you remove guns, they'll use knives, hammers, rocks, arrows to the knee, etc., to commit the act of violence.

this is always the dumbest fucking argument that pops up

a dude with a gun will take out ten dudes without guns easy. a dude with a knife will have to face ten dudes that can whip out a chair, a broom, whatever else they can find in a room to take on the knife wielder. i'd glady take on a dude with a knife if i have a baseball bat in a life or death situation and have a good shot at coming out alive. a dude with a gun? i'm fucked

also bullets are way more destructive to human tissue than stab wounds

it's like holy shit, you're not even fucking trying to sound reasonable
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Nade Duck posted...

how many mass hammerings have happened in the past year

My point is if you remove guns, they'll use knives, hammers, rocks, arrows to the knee, etc., to commit the act of violence.

And then their victims will spend a couple weeks recovering from their injuries in hospital and go on with the lives that they still have.

That's not to say that you can't lethally attack somebody with any of those things, since you can lethally attack somebody with a toothpick if you know what you're doing, but guns are far more lethal than most alternative weapons would be. There's more to the issue than just guns, absolutely, but anyone suggesting that the availability of guns in the US isn't contributing significantly to its homicide rate is either clueless or in denial.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Nade Duck posted...

how many mass hammerings have happened in the past year

My point is if you remove guns, they'll use knives, hammers, rocks, arrows to the knee, etc., to commit the act of violence.

Right. And our point is that you can't stop violence, but you can implement effective means to lessen the impacts of it, which is why I said:

GanglyKhan posted...

Listen, the real issue here isn't violence, it's the amount of bodies left dead at the end of the day due to gun violence. How do you reduce that?

You didn't answer my question. How do you go about reducing gun violence? Cause telling people it's bad isn't gonna cut it.

GanglyKhan posted...

We have to look at realistic answers.

Teaching proper coping mechanisms to anger and rage is realistic.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

We have to look at realistic answers.

Teaching proper coping mechanisms to anger and rage is realistic.

As a portion of the solution it is, but not as a whole. How much of the stuff do you recall and use that you've been taught in your life? People are individual creatures, man. 90% of the shit we hear goes in one ear and out the other. You have a positive outlook and nice ideals for this, but if it was that easy, it would have been done by now. If religion couldn't keep people in place in the days before it was accepted that the Earth was round, life didn't just appear from dirt, and that lightning was naturally occuring, I don't believe that any amount of teaching of morals and coping can do any better.

Guns are really just the easy scapegoat for ignoring the real problems in America. One big one being the overmedication incited by big pharma and how it causes more mental issues than it solves

OhhhJa posted...

Guns are really just the easy scapegoat for ignoring the real problems in America. One big one being the overmedication incited by big pharma and how it causes more mental issues than it solves

And how are people dying not real problems? I see how you can make the connection that improper use of medication is a primary cause while the violence is the effect, but how is that still not a problem? Motives are as varied as there are victims.

WastelandCowboy posted...

A video clip shared on Twitter, which has since been taken down, showed the football video game Madden on a television screen.

Someone playing as the Atlanta Falcons appeared to have scored, and was kicking off. Tournament commentators remarked that the players were so good that it would not be easy to knock anyone out of the tournament.

tbh, given the incident, I had automatically assumed it be a shooter.

GanglyKhan posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Apparently nowhere is safe.

Nowhere has ever been safe. The harsh reality is that life is very fragile and never truly protected. If someone wants you dead and they don't care about the consequences, they will find a way. It's just plain bad luck to be a part of something like that in most cases.

This.

JTekashiro posted...

You mean nowhere in the United States, right? Mass shootings are pretty much an American issue. While they occur elsewhere, it is hardly with the same severity.

Because apparently mass shootings are the only threat in the world and they only occur in the United States... if you ignore all the high profile incidents occurring outside the US and the fact that this doesn't even qualify as a mass shooting

Safer_777 posted...

As a non American I can never understand why these things happen.

Well, for starters, we've created a culture that glorifies murderers and encourages disgruntled people to perpetrate violence. Granted, to some extent, you get all kinds of weird violence *thoughout* the world but it doesn't get as much coverage. Nowadays, a guy kills himself in a school parking lot and the media is disingenuously including it as a school shooting.

GanglyKhan posted...

How do you think that America could reach the same mindset of a country like Switzerland? I have very little knowledge on their culture, but I doubt a nationwide change could be made to change the American stance on gun violence like that. Even then, your post seems self-defeating. If violence is deeply rooted, then wouldn't cutting off access to a tool used for violence be a good start? Certainly easier than convincing 300 million people to never shoot each other.

Few problems there:
1) If the violence problem isn't addressed, literally all that changes is the weapon.

2) How you plan on a gun ban in a nation that's not just the world's largest producer of guns, but has a very large insecure border?

As for the Switzerland model, part of their method was to be homogenous as fuck and to have mandatory military service for all men. The US can't opt to be homogenous and even a wartime draft is unpalatable is unpalatable to Americans (partly because our military isn't just for show)
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