Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 453: A Broken Hart

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If he beats Samoa Joe, he probably passes Punk on the all-time list for most days as champion!
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Just with that title. Punk also has another 160 days as WHC
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Right yeah. I just like watching the WWE Title list.
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Oh hey, I hadnt noticed but Brock has passed Pedro Morales for 6th on the overall WWE World Champ list, after Bruno, Hogan, Backlund, Cena, and Triple H
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So Jeff Jarrett is suing Impact for using GFW Amped footage.

Is he really that hard up?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Jarrett and Global Force Entertainment (which is just Jarrett <_<) are suing Anthem because they still have those 2015 GFW Amped taping footage up on their streaming network (confusingly named Global Wrestling Network).

Jarrett and GFE seek punitive or treble damages at least three times the amount of Anthems profits or GFEs damages, whichever is greater, due to what they say is the nature of the defendants wanton and willful conduct."

Whats greater, 3x0 or 0?

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Whoops. Sorry, didn't see your post back there.

That is a good summary of literally all of that.
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https://twitter.com/dajosc11/status/1027624336499331074?s=19

This is fucking garbage.
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Did you mean

Wifenasho
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Nice job WWE email I just got

https://imgur.com/rhFVl35
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Jakyl25 posted...

Nice job WWE email I just got

https://imgur.com/rhFVl35

To be perfectly fair, people that can't see faces may not entirely notice!
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TheRock1525 posted...

https://twitter.com/dajosc11/status/1027624336499331074?s=19

This is fucking garbage.

He has since given a kind of tome deaf apology

There is a deep problem with WWE and women still being told to get implants on the main roster, but Dave is just too careless to know how to phrase it without it sounding like hes attacking the woman. And Alvarez is even less woke than Dave.

This is where someone like Satin could probably find the right angle of criticism where Dave just cant because of his entrenched outdated understanding of image issues
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https://twitter.com/davemeltzerwon/status/1029813302858199040?s=21

I'd like to apologize to you. You are an exceedingly attractive woman. I do realize the lengths and pressures on women in the entertainment world to maintain unnatural looks at times and am glad you pointed this out.

As someone who has listened to a ton of Dave, I feel pretty confident saying that he doesnt MEAN to come across as stupidly as he does.
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I fully believe that he didn't mean to come across that way

But "She was a lot lighter" is a stupid thing to say regardless, because I'm not even sure how that's part of his point
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I wish WWE would give bigger pushes to the girls I find attractive tbh.
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https://twitter.com/PeytonRoyceWWE/status/1029775450044866566

Peyton's response to Dave is awesome.

Edit: Charlotte and Ember also replied to Peyton's tweet there. I love it when we get to see the real people and not just the characters that hate each other on screen.
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I hope Vince is clueless enough to suggest to Rousey that she needs implants
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Jakyl25 posted...

I hope Vince is clueless enough to suggest to Rousey that she needs implants

I hope so too. That might lead to him being forced out of power, and I think we're a lot better off with Stephanie and Trips running things than we are that senile lunatic.
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Sell it to Gedo imo
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerwon/status/1029813302858199040?s=21

I'd like to apologize to you. You are an exceedingly attractive woman. I do realize the lengths and pressures on women in the entertainment world to maintain unnatural looks at times and am glad you pointed this out.

As someone who has listened to a ton of Dave, I feel pretty confident saying that he doesnt MEAN to come across as stupidly as he does.

Yeah, I agree with this.

I thought it was obvious he was talking about implants though. He just doesn't really get how to use candor because I think he's just so used to robotically talking about wrestling without considering people and their feelings.

Although it's sad this got mired into his point he was attempting to make about WWE watering down every single good NXT act like the Iconics and making them just another group, because I think it's a decent discussion point.
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I don't even really think they watered down the Iconics that much, as much as in WWE, nobody matters if they aren't Charlotte or Rousey, and it's very much presented that way

Carmella and Bliss are flat out being portrayed as "We're the champs but we actually suck compared to Charlotte and Rousey and are clearly just transitional" and anybody else, well... Good luck, they don't even get that
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Iconics did better character work with Itami than WWE ever will.
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I think they absolutely watered the Iconics down to repetitive jokes and promos. At the very least, you have to admit that they aren't nearly as entertaining as they were in NXT. Most promos just go the same way with Peyton coming out and mocking this person and then Billie laughing and saying it's hilarious. That's good every so often but man. They run everything into the ground.

Carmella and Bliss are even worse because they still do that bad fakeout nice promo thing. And everyone involving them retaining their titles tends to be the most ridiculous nonsense that it's almost insulting that Asuka or Nia Jax loses to it.

Another major reason I've given up watching is that every time I like an NXT act, they get to the main roster and just bomb because they don't know what to do with them. Elias is the one guy I can think of in years that actually got a decent treatment on being called up.
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No Way Jose got the push he deserved
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I actually like NWJ.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I think they absolutely watered the Iconics down to repetitive jokes and promos. At the very least, you have to admit that they aren't nearly as entertaining as they were in NXT. Most promos just go the same way with Peyton coming out and mocking this person and then Billie laughing and saying it's hilarious. That's good every so often but man. They run everything into the ground.

Oh, I don't disagree with that

I just think it's a product of them not actually getting real time or any kind of story moreso than any actual watering down attempt
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerwon/status/1029813302858199040?s=21

I'd like to apologize to you. You are an exceedingly attractive woman. I do realize the lengths and pressures on women in the entertainment world to maintain unnatural looks at times and am glad you pointed this out.

As someone who has listened to a ton of Dave, I feel pretty confident saying that he doesnt MEAN to come across as stupidly as he does.

I feel like this was handled appropriately all around. Dave gave what seems to be a genuinely heartfelt apology without groveling.

At the same time, it IS, in fact, a completely reasonable thing for him to be talking about, given how directly success in this business is, in fact, tied to appearance. If you don't like that fact, take it up with the people who actually make those decisions (of which Meltz is not one)
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SmartMuffin posted...

If you don't like that fact, take it up with the people who actually make those decisions (of which Meltz is not one)

Right, and ultimately the issue here is that Dave doesnt like it but he directed his disdain at the wrong target because he wasnt thinking about how his words were coming across
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Oh yeah, to be clear, I don't have an issue with them talking about the subject

My issue was the direct comments about Peyton didn't really have a place
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Right, and ultimately the issue here is that Dave doesnt like it but he directed his disdain at the wrong target because he wasnt thinking about how his words were coming across

Is it disdain though?

I guess my larger question here is, is it never appropriate to point out that a woman has gained weight, or become "less attractive" for some other reason?

I didn't get "disdain" there at all. And the relative qualifier of "less" to me implies that he's not even saying "she's ugly" or anything like that.

As a comparison, sometimes male athletes gain significant weight in the off-season, noticeable when they show up to training camp. The usual response in the media is to mock them and belittle them, while their coaches take great effort to ensure they lose it as quickly as possible. Would Jim Rome get in trouble for pointing out that Tom Brady showed up to camp a lot fatter than he used to be?
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SmartMuffin posted...

I guess my larger question here is, is it never appropriate to point out that a woman has gained weight, or become "less attractive" for some other reason?

This is where it gets taken out of context.

He was using that as code for implants
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SmartMuffin posted...

I guess my larger question here is, is it never appropriate to point out that a woman has gained weight, or become "less attractive" for some other reason?

In the context of discussing her floundering career?

No. Not really. Even if Peyton Royce has suddenly put on 50 pounds tbh. Her health or mental state leading to such a dramatic change sure.
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And out of that context it really does come across poorly

I know you dont watch the product but the idea of telling Peyton Royce she should lose weight is ridiculous and, if it was actually what he meant, absolutely SHOULD be getting the reaction it got
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He was using that as code for implants

Well, does anyone think he'd be in less trouble if he said "She just got implants, shouldn't have done that, they make her look worse?"
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SmartMuffin posted...

He was using that as code for implants

Well, does anyone think he'd be in less trouble if he said "She just got implants, shouldn't have done that, they make her look worse?"

Probably

Based on her response, she certainly assumed he was talking about her weight, atleast

I'm really not sure if he was or not since I don't think he clarified
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I tend to agree with Smuffin. It's not really done from a place of malice so it doesn't matter. I mean if it was about actual weight you'd wonder with Peyton Royce, but a guy who is saying a girl her size is fat would have had a lot more than one slip up. It wouldn't really be a "gotcha" moment.

I guess what I'm saying is the only time it's inappropriate to make that comment is when it doesn't make sense. If she actually had gained 50 lbs it would also be okay since image is an important part of wrestling and news relevant. Men get depushed for weight fluctuations and not fitting an image just as much as a woman would. It's a shallow business.
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If you listen to the whole segment, he definitely wasnt referring to her being fatter.

They even tiptoe around the alterations they had to look more attractive on the main roster.
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Also I like the notion that as much as WWE people have each others backs against these comments, youd wish they had each others backs just as much against MANAGEMENT who tells them they arent attractive enough
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Jakyl25 posted...

If you listen to the whole segment, he definitely wasnt referring to her being fatter.

They even tiptoe around the alterations they had to look more attractive on the main roster.

Well then that makes it a lot less bad and I see less of an issue

The main issue is she took it the way the clip presented it, which makes it seem much worse
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Lopen posted...

I tend to agree with Smuffin. It's not really done from a place of malice so it doesn't matter. I mean if it was about actual weight you'd wonder with Peyton Royce, but a guy who is saying a girl her size is fat would have had a lot more than one slip up. It wouldn't really be a "gotcha" moment.

I guess what I'm saying is the only time it's inappropriate to make that comment is when it doesn't make sense. If she actually had gained 50 lbs it would also be okay since image is an important part of wrestling and news relevant. Men get depushed for weight fluctuations and not fitting an image just as much as a woman would. It's a shallow business.

Also I think this is the wrong direction to go with it.

We should be treating male body shaming MORE seriously, not the other way around.

Its an image business is how you get steroid problems
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Yeah, I was just about to say... The answer should be trying to reduce the problem of body shaming overall, not "We should body shame the women more like we do the men"
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also I like the notion that as much as WWE people have each others backs against these comments, youd wish they had each others backs just as much against MANAGEMENT who tells them they arent attractive enough

Do they have each other's backs enough to form a....union?
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And yeah maybe also channel this anger forward towards protesting the Saudi shows
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Jakyl25 posted...

We should be treating male body shaming MORE seriously, not the other way around.

I disagree. If you're not in shape and you're in the business of wrestling it's being bad at an aspect of your job. It's not "body shaming" to acknowledge this. Like it's not saying "you need to be less fat to not be a terrible person" it's "you need to be less fat to be a success in wrestling." It's less body shaming and more laziness shaming in the case of a wrestler.

I don't want a bunch of Kevin Owenses on the roster. That's not what wrestling is. A big part of wrestling should be maintaining your body to help create the image of a larger than life character-- where to draw the line is important and I would argue that wrestling perhaps puts it a bit too deeply in at times, but it's definitely somewhere well before hitting a 180 lb Peyton Royce too.
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voltch posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also I like the notion that as much as WWE people have each others backs against these comments, youd wish they had each others backs just as much against MANAGEMENT who tells them they arent attractive enough

Do they have each other's backs enough to form a....union?

A union against dirtsheets, the REAL enemy
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Lopen posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

We should be treating male body shaming MORE seriously, not the other way around.

I disagree. If you're not in shape and you're in the business of wrestling it's being bad at an aspect of your job. It's not "body shaming" to acknowledge this. Like it's not saying "you need to be less fat to not be a terrible person" it's "you need to be less fat to be a success in wrestling." It's less body shaming and more laziness shaming in the case of a wrestler.

I don't want a bunch of Kevin Owenses on the roster. That's not what wrestling is. A big part of wrestling should be maintaining your body to help create the image of a larger than life character-- where to draw the line is important and I would argue that wrestling perhaps puts it a bit too deeply in at times, but it's definitely somewhere well before hitting a 180 lb Peyton Royce too.

There have been many mega-successful overweight wrestlers though.
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Yeah but Lopen, how is Matt Hardy supposed to stay as slim as he was in the late 90s?

You can't maintain that forever.
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Even in these topics, people like me would fat shame Chris Hero after his original release

He sure showed us
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Jakyl25 posted...

There have been many mega-successful overweight wrestlers though.

That's because it was part of the character, or because they (like Kevin Owens) were so good in other aspects that they overcame it.

Peyton Royce gaining 50 lbs doesn't add anything to her character. If anything it weakens her character.

Let's frame this "body shaming" a different way-- let's make Ellsworth the World Heavyweight Champion after 6 months of build-- let's make him the second coming of Goldberg and get clean wins every week until then. Do you buy him as a credible champion? Is it "body shaming" to say the guy should be in better shape to be treated as a credible threat to beat guys like AJ Styles who actually look like athletes? How about if we did the same thing for Neville, who is the same height as Ellsworth and if he cared less about being in shape could very well look as jobbery as Ellsworth but is freaking shredded because he actually cares enough about being good at his job to stay in shape? I bet he's a lot easier to stomach, right?
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Guys this isn't about Peyton.

This is about Tyler Breeze. Haven't you seen the tweets.
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