Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 187: On a Motherloving Cop

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1031721069202296838?s=21

Musicians Ben Folds, Jason Isbell are "unhinged, angry left," Senate GOP campaign arm says in attack on Tennessees Bredesen

Unhinged left! Unhinged left!

Hmmm that's a good headline but I think I'd go with something like "GOP fuckheads start yet another smear campaign"

Could Trump make it any more explicit that he views security clearance revocation as a new tool to punish criticism of himself?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1031724100719403009
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Could Trump make it any more explicit that he views security clearance revocation as a new tool to punish criticism of himself?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1031724100719403009

Which is illegal, so by all means, let him do it
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/michael_hendrix/status/1031549858736472064

dot dot dot

To follow up on this I have now learned that this was submitted about a year ago and failed to get enough signatures to make the ballot a few months ago. My bad for not checking! (But still jesus christ is it a stupid proposal)
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Could Trump make it any more explicit that he views security clearance revocation as a new tool to punish criticism of himself?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/john-brennans-choice-to-confront-trump

As the link indicates it's mostly about Brennan but there's a paragraph that notes that some of Trump's advisers were pushing that Trump deny Obama access to intelligence briefings that former Presidents get. McMaster talked the idea down but man can you even imagine?
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I bet at least 30% of the country would say that it's totally okay...!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1031861173149413376

ok that's settled then
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CLEAN COAL!!!!

caps
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StealThisSheen posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Could Trump make it any more explicit that he views security clearance revocation as a new tool to punish criticism of himself?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1031724100719403009

Which is illegal, so by all means, let him do it

Yeah, but when has that ever stopped him or gotten in his way before?
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https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/08/he_brought_an_american_flag_to.html
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1031857204767453184?s=21

Even James Clapper has admonished John Brennan for having gone totally off the rails. Maybe Clapper is being nice to me so he doesnt lose his Security Clearance for lying to Congress!

Another one of those things that would be a top 3 scandal for most other Presidents
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For other presidents it was the most controversial day of their presidency. For Trump, it was a Tuesday.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1031907600219209728

yeah donald, i'm sure nobody on earth ever used this slogan before you did
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Cohen's pleading out:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-president-trumps-longtime-personal-attorney-reaches/story?id=57310974
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1031907600219209728

yeah donald, i'm sure nobody on earth ever used this slogan before you did

Pretty sure former president Clinton used it for his reelection campaign!

LordoftheMorons posted...

Cohen's pleading out:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-president-trumps-longtime-personal-attorney-reaches/story?id=57310974

Get ready for the twitter breakdown by our self-declared genius of a wannabe despot.
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Cohen has surrendered to the FBI in advance and will be in court at 4pm, at which point the plea deal is expected to be announced.
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I wonder how the impeachment process works if it is uncovered that Trump broke the law a bunch of times in regards to fraud prior to the election.
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https://twitter.com/DavidJollyFL/status/1031970756077543429

FWIW, Trump will be speaking off script at a West Virginia rally mere hours after a presumed Cohen plea deal is unveiled.

It won't be a twitter break down, it'll be all on camera.
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"Well yeah he's a criminal, but we pretty much assumed that before we elected him so it doesn't matter!"
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Corrik posted...

I wonder how the impeachment process works if it is uncovered that Trump broke the law a bunch of times in regards to fraud prior to the election.

Impeachment isn't an actual legal proceeding, which is Trumps only saving grace.

They can just indict him on all of it and the senate can decide if enough of it is true and warrants removal.
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That means that its not double jeopardy if hes charged with those crimes once out of office also, right?

Unless Pence pulls a Ford and just pardons him
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Seems like the Manafort jury is hung up on just 1 of the 18 counts

Judge Ellis told them he wants them to continue deliberating instead of coming to no verdict even just on that one count
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I feel like if trump is convicted by the Senate, all of his unilateral actions (pardons, executive orders, etc) should be null. But that's just pie in the sky wishful thinking
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Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

I wonder how the impeachment process works if it is uncovered that Trump broke the law a bunch of times in regards to fraud prior to the election.

Impeachment isn't an actual legal proceeding, which is Trumps only saving grace.

They can just indict him on all of it and the senate can decide if enough of it is true and warrants removal.

They can't indict until he is impeached, I am pretty sure. Impeachment sends to house for indictment.
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Jakyl25 posted...

That means that its not double jeopardy if hes charged with those crimes once out of office also, right?

Unless Pence pulls a Ford and just pardons him

That is correct. In fact the impeachment proceedings probably wouldn't even be admissible as evidence.
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Corrik posted...

Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

I wonder how the impeachment process works if it is uncovered that Trump broke the law a bunch of times in regards to fraud prior to the election.

Impeachment isn't an actual legal proceeding, which is Trumps only saving grace.

They can just indict him on all of it and the senate can decide if enough of it is true and warrants removal.

They can't indict until he is impeached, I am pretty sure. Impeachment sends to house for indictment.

Impeachment - the name for the entire process which begins with the house convening itself as a grand jury

Indictment - The House acting as a grand jury writes up articles of impeachment and sends the charges to the senate

Conviction/Removal - the senate acts as the jury in the case and decides guilty or not guilty and on whether or not to remove the president.
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Peace___Frog posted...

I feel like if trump is convicted by the Senate, all of his unilateral actions (pardons, executive orders, etc) should be null. But that's just pie in the sky wishful thinking

Pence would likely roll back some of it as a way of distancing himself from trump, likely beginning with tariffs.
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Of course, the tariffs are definitely the only thing that mainstream Republican leadership feels is wrong with trump.

Also, i myself forgot about this until i was reminded - this isn't just trump's lawyer making a plea deal with the fbi, it's also the once-deputy finance chair of the RNC making a plea deal with the fbi.
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Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

I wonder how the impeachment process works if it is uncovered that Trump broke the law a bunch of times in regards to fraud prior to the election.

Impeachment isn't an actual legal proceeding, which is Trumps only saving grace.

They can just indict him on all of it and the senate can decide if enough of it is true and warrants removal.

They can't indict until he is impeached, I am pretty sure. Impeachment sends to house for indictment.

Impeachment - the name for the entire process which begins with the house convening itself as a grand jury

Indictment - The House acting as a grand jury writes up articles of impeachment and sends the charges to the senate

Conviction/Removal - the senate acts as the jury in the case and decides guilty or not guilty and on whether or not to remove the president.

No idea why I had that backwards.
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"As part of the plea deal under discussion earlier Tuesday, Cohen was not expected to cooperate with the government, one source told CNN. However, by pleading guilty both Cohen and prosecutors would avoid the spectacle and uncertainty of a trial."

Is this not Cohen just falling on the sword for Trump?

He is just pleading guilty to get 3 years in jail so he doesn't have to forfeit assets.
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Corrik posted...

Is this not Cohen just falling on the sword for Trump?

Im
Shocked that you actually are capable of making the assumption that there is something to fall on the sword for
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https://twitter.com/michaelcohen212/status/678410436774141956?s=21

Whoops
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Is this not Cohen just falling on the sword for Trump?

Im
Shocked that you actually are capable of making the assumption that there is something to fall on the sword for

I have always said Trump likely is innocent of collusion.

This is more campaign finance violations/fraud.
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Cohen agrees to plead guilty to campaign finance violations and fraud. Trump pardons him. Trump then says Cohen did the campaign violations and fraud on his own and Cohen agrees to this in agreement for his pardon. I dunno. I think this seems fishy.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Also, i myself forgot about this until i was reminded - this isn't just trump's lawyer making a plea deal with the fbi, it's also the once-deputy finance chair of the RNC making a plea deal with the fbi.

For campaign finance related crimes
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Corrik posted...

Cohen agrees to plead guilty to campaign finance violations and fraud. Trump pardons him. Trump then says Cohen did the campaign violations and fraud on his own and Cohen agrees to this in agreement for his pardon. I dunno. I think this seems fishy.

Pretty much what I would expect yes. Cohen takes the blame and Trump makes sure he doesn't face punishment for it.
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The Manafort jury couldnt reach a verdict on 10/18 counts
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So apparently the Manafort verdict is in.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShimonPro

Guilty x8 (Tax Fraud 5x, Hiding Foreign Bank Account, Bank Fraud 2x), Mistrial x10. In spite of what people were saying about the judge being a hardass being a good thing earlier on in the trial, that combination of results sorta reeks of the prosecution getting screwed by the judge's actions imo
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Maniac64 posted...

Corrik posted...

Cohen agrees to plead guilty to campaign finance violations and fraud. Trump pardons him. Trump then says Cohen did the campaign violations and fraud on his own and Cohen agrees to this in agreement for his pardon. I dunno. I think this seems fishy.

Pretty much what I would expect yes. Cohen takes the blame and Trump makes sure he doesn't face punishment for it.

Yeah, the campaign finance violations are for contributing too much to a campaign and for providing too much in corporate business or something.
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Reg posted...

So apparently the Manafort verdict is in.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShimonPro

Guilty x8 (Tax Fraud 5x, Hiding Foreign Bank Account, Bank Fraud 2x), Mistrial x10. In spite of what people were saying about the judge being a hardass being a good thing earlier on in the trial, that combination of results sorta reeks of the prosecution getting screwed by the judge's actions imo

I don't think anyone said that, though?
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Not here, but I did hear a fair bit of "the judge being such a hardass is a good thing because it means defense can't claim bias when it comes time to appeal" both online and offline, in the first few days of the trial. I think most of them came around to that being nonsense by the end, but still.
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I did. I think the judge made that one bad mistake, and apologized for it as well as he could, but otherwise I want a tough judge like that.

8 guilty verdicts is still a lot!
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Corrik posted...

Maniac64 posted...

Corrik posted...

Cohen agrees to plead guilty to campaign finance violations and fraud. Trump pardons him. Trump then says Cohen did the campaign violations and fraud on his own and Cohen agrees to this in agreement for his pardon. I dunno. I think this seems fishy.

Pretty much what I would expect yes. Cohen takes the blame and Trump makes sure he doesn't face punishment for it.

Yeah, the campaign finance violations are for contributing too much to a campaign and for providing too much in corporate business or something.

The illegal contribution was the Stormy Daniels payoff
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My understanding is that those 8 counts are still likely to put him away for life, so the end result is similar.

Cohen stuff is happening right now as well, and it sounds like he's throwing Trump under the bus.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Corrik posted...

Maniac64 posted...

Corrik posted...

Cohen agrees to plead guilty to campaign finance violations and fraud. Trump pardons him. Trump then says Cohen did the campaign violations and fraud on his own and Cohen agrees to this in agreement for his pardon. I dunno. I think this seems fishy.

Pretty much what I would expect yes. Cohen takes the blame and Trump makes sure he doesn't face punishment for it.

Yeah, the campaign finance violations are for contributing too much to a campaign and for providing too much in corporate business or something.

The illegal contribution was the Stormy Daniels payoff

I'd assume so
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The Mana Sword posted...

My understanding is that those 8 counts are still likely to put him away for life, so the end result is similar.

Cohen stuff is happening right now as well, and it sounds like he's throwing Trump under the bus.

A bit over 60 years.

As for Cohen?

https://twitter.com/aawayne/status/1032005920979656704
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The Mana Sword posted...

My understanding is that those 8 counts are still likely to put him away for life, so the end result is similar.

Cohen stuff is happening right now as well, and it sounds like he's throwing Trump under the bus.

And there's another trial for him next month, which iirc covers his Ukraine/Russia 'work' as opposed to just his finances.

Like yeah he's getting off super lightly and it annoys me given the circumstances, but he's still fucked.
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Manafort about to be Trump's...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
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SupremeZero posted...

The Mana Sword posted...

My understanding is that those 8 counts are still likely to put him away for life, so the end result is similar.

Cohen stuff is happening right now as well, and it sounds like he's throwing Trump under the bus.

A bit over 100 years.

As for Cohen?

https://twitter.com/aawayne/status/1032005920979656704

Which is if all counts get the max term and are consecutive, which pretty much never happens. He'll get like 5-10 as a guess.
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SupremeZero posted...

As for Cohen?

https://twitter.com/aawayne/status/1032005920979656704

Welp, so much for falling on the sword
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