Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 187: On a Motherloving Cop

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Jakyl25 posted...

Realization I just had

Someday in the far flung future, there will be a Civ game with Donald Trump as the leader of America

Just like there has been for, say, Andrew Johnson?
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Highly unlikely.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1029743849160232960?s=21

Happy Birthday to the leader of the Democrat Party, Maxine Waters!

Aww how nice
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/all-west-virginia-s-supreme-court-justices-impeached-over-spending-n900461
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Some legislators said they didn't support impeaching any justice for wasteful spending, only for articles pertaining to lying, cheating or stealing.

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/eddie-guerrero-gif-7.gif
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Elizabeth Warren is proposing a massive shift in how corporations would work. It's also probably one of the most progressive major proposals I've seen.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations

It's a long article that both examines key parts of her proposal as well as some background and context on the current state of how corporations and the stock market affect the economy both here and compared to other countries.

Key parts in Warren's proposal:

-Creation of an Office of United States Corporations inside the Department of Commerce.
-Require any corporation with revenue over $1 billion to obtain a federal charter of corporate citizenship. This charter tells them to consider not just the interests of shareholders but employees, customers, and the communities in which they do business.
-Corporations required to allow their workers to elect 40% of the membership of the board of directors
-All political activity must be approved by 75% of shareholders and 75% of the board members
-Limits on corporate executives' ability to sell shares they receive as pay by introducing wait periods before they can do so in certain situations

The part about codetermination (The requirement to have workers elect 40% of the board) ties in with that poll I linked a topic or two back showing a lot of support for the idea. (In fact, that poll is referenced and included as an image in this article) and is IMO the biggest part of the proposed bill. Warren is calling it the Accountable Capitalism Act, so we can have ACA2: ACA Harder.

Really like the proposal, sounds like a lot of great ideas to me.
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How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.

sorry

forgot that we shut down all ideas during periods where we lack control of the government.

Obviously it can't go anywhere now (and likely until 2020 at the earliest) but this can allow it to enter the political discourse and grow support for the ideas in the plan among elected officials, candidates, and the public. As noted in both the article, and the polling I talked about earlier, these ideas are shown to be immensely popular with the general public. While the idea that the Democrats aren't running on ideas is already utterly false, this serves as yet another example of concrete policy that differentiates the parties.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.

Uhhh when else might she propose it?
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Jakyl25 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.

Uhhh when else might she propose it?

2138, of course
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Like if she proposed it in December 2016, okay, maybe I can understand the cynicism

But when its 3 months out from a midterm election where they hope to retake Congress, and when shes one of the Dem Presidential frontrunners for 2020, her policy proposals arent meaningless
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While there are certainly politicians were I might question their motivations out of cynicism that they're just being opportunists proposing stuff at a time when they know it can't pass precisely for the sole purpose of political gain because they have no intention of actually pursuing that policy... Elizabeth Warren is at the complete opposite side of that spectrum.
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HashtagSEP posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.

Uhhh when else might she propose it?

2138, of course

Anytime from say, 2008 to November 2016.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.

Uhhh when else might she propose it?

2138, of course

Anytime from say, 2008 to November 2016.

She didn't even take office until 2013
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Where was Obama during Katrina??
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what a weird take
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.

Uhhh when else might she propose it?

2138, of course

Anytime from say, 2008 to November 2016.

How great it would have been for her to propose it under a GOP-held House!

I assume you are similarly critical of Sanders for Medicare for All?
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HashtagSEP posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How great of her to propose it with a President Trump and GOP held Congress.

Uhhh when else might she propose it?

2138, of course

Anytime from say, 2008 to November 2016.

She didn't even take office until 2013

This is gotcha journalism.
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/15/health/us-measles-cases-cdc/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

This makes me so upset

GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED IF AT ALL POSSIBLE
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"As the head of the executive branch and commander in chief, I have a unique constitutional responsibility to protect the nation's classified information, including by controlling access to it. Today, in fulfilling that responsibility, I have decided to revoke the security clearance of John Brennan, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency," Trump said in a statement dictated in the White House briefing room by his press secretary Sarah Sanders.

Im sure his reasons are serious and not at all political
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This is gotcha journalism.

Literally what
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1029806348408684544

Donald Trump's list of accusations about John Brennan today:
- "Erratic conduct and behaviour"
- "Frenzied commentary"
- "Wild outbursts on the internet and television"
- Monetizing his official position
- Told lies

lol
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The Mana Sword posted...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1029806348408684544

Donald Trump's list of accusations about John Brennan today:
- "Erratic conduct and behaviour"
- "Frenzied commentary"
- "Wild outbursts on the internet and television"
- Monetizing his official position
- Told lies

lol

The party of projection
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Reg posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This is gotcha journalism.

Literally what

Issa joke
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Darrell Issa doesn't make jokes.
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xp1337 posted...

Elizabeth Warren is proposing a massive shift in how corporations would work. It's also probably one of the most progressive major proposals I've seen.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations

It's a long article that both examines key parts of her proposal as well as some background and context on the current state of how corporations and the stock market affect the economy both here and compared to other countries.

Key parts in Warren's proposal:

-Creation of an Office of United States Corporations inside the Department of Commerce.
-Require any corporation with revenue over $1 billion to obtain a federal charter of corporate citizenship. This charter tells them to consider not just the interests of shareholders but employees, customers, and the communities in which they do business.
-Corporations required to allow their workers to elect 40% of the membership of the board of directors
-All political activity must be approved by 75% of shareholders and 75% of the board members
-Limits on corporate executives' ability to sell shares they receive as pay by introducing wait periods before they can do so in certain situations

The part about codetermination (The requirement to have workers elect 40% of the board) ties in with that poll I linked a topic or two back showing a lot of support for the idea. (In fact, that poll is referenced and included as an image in this article) and is IMO the biggest part of the proposed bill. Warren is calling it the Accountable Capitalism Act, so we can have ACA2: ACA Harder.

Really like the proposal, sounds like a lot of great ideas to me.

Hmm, that sounds pretty good. Good luck getting other Democrats to support it though.

Also, not sure if requiring a federal charter to do business across state lines is constitutional. Sounds like a pretty big move into what has always been a matter of state law (corporate structure).
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red sox 777 posted...

xp1337 posted...

Elizabeth Warren is proposing a massive shift in how corporations would work. It's also probably one of the most progressive major proposals I've seen.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations

It's a long article that both examines key parts of her proposal as well as some background and context on the current state of how corporations and the stock market affect the economy both here and compared to other countries.

Key parts in Warren's proposal:

-Creation of an Office of United States Corporations inside the Department of Commerce.
-Require any corporation with revenue over $1 billion to obtain a federal charter of corporate citizenship. This charter tells them to consider not just the interests of shareholders but employees, customers, and the communities in which they do business.
-Corporations required to allow their workers to elect 40% of the membership of the board of directors
-All political activity must be approved by 75% of shareholders and 75% of the board members
-Limits on corporate executives' ability to sell shares they receive as pay by introducing wait periods before they can do so in certain situations

The part about codetermination (The requirement to have workers elect 40% of the board) ties in with that poll I linked a topic or two back showing a lot of support for the idea. (In fact, that poll is referenced and included as an image in this article) and is IMO the biggest part of the proposed bill. Warren is calling it the Accountable Capitalism Act, so we can have ACA2: ACA Harder.

Really like the proposal, sounds like a lot of great ideas to me.

Hmm, that sounds pretty good. Good luck getting other Democrats to support it though.

Also, not sure if requiring a federal charter to do business across state lines is constitutional. Sounds like a pretty big move into what has always been a matter of state law (corporate structure).

"Across state lines" is indeed the key phrase there.
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red sox 777 posted...

xp1337 posted...

Elizabeth Warren is proposing a massive shift in how corporations would work. It's also probably one of the most progressive major proposals I've seen.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations

It's a long article that both examines key parts of her proposal as well as some background and context on the current state of how corporations and the stock market affect the economy both here and compared to other countries.

Key parts in Warren's proposal:

-Creation of an Office of United States Corporations inside the Department of Commerce.
-Require any corporation with revenue over $1 billion to obtain a federal charter of corporate citizenship. This charter tells them to consider not just the interests of shareholders but employees, customers, and the communities in which they do business.
-Corporations required to allow their workers to elect 40% of the membership of the board of directors
-All political activity must be approved by 75% of shareholders and 75% of the board members
-Limits on corporate executives' ability to sell shares they receive as pay by introducing wait periods before they can do so in certain situations

The part about codetermination (The requirement to have workers elect 40% of the board) ties in with that poll I linked a topic or two back showing a lot of support for the idea. (In fact, that poll is referenced and included as an image in this article) and is IMO the biggest part of the proposed bill. Warren is calling it the Accountable Capitalism Act, so we can have ACA2: ACA Harder.

Really like the proposal, sounds like a lot of great ideas to me.

Hmm, that sounds pretty good. Good luck getting other Democrats to support it though.

Also, not sure if requiring a federal charter to do business across state lines is constitutional. Sounds like a pretty big move into what has always been a matter of state law (corporate structure).

It is basically trying to force unions into corporations.
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But can you take away a person's rights by legislation? Both the corporation itself, since corporations have been determined to be people, and the shareholders.
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What rights do you think are being infringed, and why do you think such infringement wouldn't pass ( what would almost certainly be) a rational basis review?
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I saw "red" and for a second I thought red sox had gone insane and was questioning his own post
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StealThisSheen posted...

I saw "red" and for a second I thought red sox had gone insane and was questioning his own post

I do this a lot :|
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Property rights/due process clause. Say I have a share of stock in Apple. If this passes, it will be worth less because the employees will now be getting 40% of the vote. So the value of my share is now lower.

Also, the Contracts Clause bars Congress from interfering with existing contracts, which could apply to the Apple articles of incorporation.
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red sox 777 posted...

Property rights/due process clause. Say I have a share of stock in Apple. If this passes, it will be worth less because the employees will now be getting 40% of the vote. So the value of my share is now lower.

Also, the Contracts Clause bars Congress from interfering with existing contracts, which could apply to the Apple articles of incorporation.

What does them having 40% of the membership of directors have to do with your stock?
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Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Property rights/due process clause. Say I have a share of stock in Apple. If this passes, it will be worth less because the employees will now be getting 40% of the vote. So the value of my share is now lower.

Also, the Contracts Clause bars Congress from interfering with existing contracts, which could apply to the Apple articles of incorporation.

What does them having 40% of the membership of directors have to do with your stock?

The primary privilege your stock gets you is the right to vote for directors.
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Response from brennan:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/opinion/john-brennan-trump-russia-collusion-security-clearance.html

While I had deep insight into Russian activities during the 2016 election, I now am aware thanks to the reporting of an open and free press of many more of the highly suspicious dalliances of some American citizens with people affiliated with the Russian intelligence services.
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The only questions that remain are whether the collusion that took place constituted criminally liable conspiracy, whether obstruction of justice occurred to cover up any collusion or conspiracy, and how many members of Trump Incorporated attempted to defraud the government by laundering and concealing the movement of money into their pockets.

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https://twitter.com/krangtnelson/status/1029429994710335491?s=21

Have a laugh
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Weird how "I haven't used the n-word in 20 years" sounds a lot worse in 2018 than it would have in, like, 1998.
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1030134413710041088?s=21

Pool report: Trump repeated his majestic phrasing on his failure to get his health care plan passed, saying, "We actually got rid of Obamacare except for one vote."

The power of positivity
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/trump-military-parade-expected-to-cost-80-million-more-than-estimated.html

Oh. I forget who it was that mentioned when the expected cost of $12 million came out that the actual cost would surely be higher because those estimates always come in low but... this is a bigger increase than I expected. +80 million to a new estimate of $92 million.

Also in the article, the parade as currently planned will feature tanks but they took a look at it and determined that it won't ruin the streets.

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Also, unrelated but so I don't double post or anything, jury deliberations have begun in Manafort's case. Friendly reminder to all that this is only the first Manafort case and that there's a sequel scheduled for... next month IIRC.
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Apparently being fiscally conservative means that you don't want money spent on things like medicare, education, veterans, or assistance for the poor. But you're perfectly okay with throwing $92,000,000 away for a parade.

Just imagine if Obama did this, the outrage there'd be from the right.
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hey save some bucks for space force
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538's House forecast is out:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

According to them, Dems have a 70 to 75% chance of taking the House.
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https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1030171310255693825?s=21

Q, the notorious government employee with top secret clearance, spent today getting extremely upset about XBox Live being down.

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Qanon stuff gets infinitely more press than it deserves.

Which is zero.
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You do have to be a very poor conspiracy theory to be so thin even Vlado can see through it.

But supposedly its still growing
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Speaking of Fiscal Conservatism I would loke to spend a moment talking about the North Carolina GOP.

Apparently not content pushing for SIX constitutional amendments designed to take all power from the (Democratic) Governor Roy Moore, they have begun to excoriate him over his handling of the disastrous I77 Toll lane debacle. This project was initiated under Pat McCrory and was designed to be a privatized toll road owned and operated by a private company. Between the construction stalling and the idea of toll roads growing immensely unpopular the project has stalled out.

Gov Moore and the Transportation secretary came out and said that buying out the contract would cost far too much and that they plan to basically try to buy back a portion of the sold road land to build a "shoulder" lane where part of the toll road was supposed to go and if the company ever gets their crap together and builds a toll road it would be just a single lane.

Republicans have come out HOWLING about him not putting an end to the project despite it costing like 900 million to do so
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Eddv posted...

Republicans have come out HOWLING about him not putting an end to the project despite it costing like 900 million to do so

Clearly he should take that money and throw a military parade with it instead!
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/revoke-my-security-clearance-too-mr-president/2018/08/16/8b149b02-a178-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html
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You'd think he would have learned from something as devastatingly stupid as admitting he fired Comey over the Russia stuff

Then he goes ahead and admits he revoked security clearance over the Russia stuff

How can one man be that colossally stupid
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