Board 8 > Ol Pun plays Fire Emblem Awakening. Hawt Casual Waifuing *spoilers*

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Heroic Bigpun posted...

I understand it had to lead to something romantic incase you have female robin

Nope

Female Robin has completely different supports with Chrom

And they're the dumbest
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Panthera posted...

Heroic Bigpun posted...

I understand it had to lead to something romantic incase you have female robin

Nope

Female Robin has completely different supports with Chrom

And they're the dumbest

This.

It's just dumb anime hijinks.
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Donnel and nowi are now married. That was probably the most awkward, padded out, non eventful support I've seen so far. I think the writers didn't think anybody would wed those two and they still couldn't come up with anything
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Huff n puff 20 posted...

Panthera posted...

Heroic Bigpun posted...

I understand it had to lead to something romantic incase you have female robin

Nope

Female Robin has completely different supports with Chrom

And they're the dumbest

This.

It's just dumb anime hijinks.

Does robin bake him pies and trips on top of them

Edit: actually that sounds like a sumia thing

Edit 2: does sumia bake him pies and trip on top of them
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Grand Kirby posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

Punnyz posted...

so its a cool idea that they reveal Lucina actually showed up with her friends, but they just got separated

I know this is the game's way of just holding off revealing them until you have married units, and then knowing who to bring up afterwards

but I think its clever

Yeah, i thought so too. The way they explained it, story-wise, made sense and worked with the mechanics of the game.

...and then you have the way Fates handled it.

They kind of had to include the second gen character mechanic again in Fates after how popular it was in Awakening. The problem was they kind of backed themselves into a corner when trying to explain how it makes sense from a story perspective. Playing it off as time travel again is arguably even worse than the nonsense 'kids kept in superfast pocket dimension' justification that we got, but on balance they're pleasing more people by including the waifu sim than they're upsetting plot nitpickers.
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I still haven't played fates, and I'm not feeling like that'll change any time soon
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

Huff n puff 20 posted...

Panthera posted...

Heroic Bigpun posted...

I understand it had to lead to something romantic incase you have female robin

Nope

Female Robin has completely different supports with Chrom

And they're the dumbest

This.

It's just dumb anime hijinks.

Does robin bake him pies and trips on top of them

Edit: actually that sounds like a sumia thing

Edit 2: does sumia bake him pies and trip on top of them

Nope they just have the whole walked in on each other naked routine.

Literally that's it. Huge Downgrade from MRobin.
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Gaius is now an Assassin

Trickster may have been more useful, what with the staves

but eh, I don't have an assass yet

also volke in PoR was badass
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Gaius is much better as an Assassin. You get access to characters that lend themselves a lot better to being Tricksters later.
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Gaius is good no matter what you do with him.

He seems like the type to have a thing for animals so i paired him with nowi and panne was a quick A rank soon after
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also welcome luis, you seem to be new here

Prepare yourself for alot of Tharja defending and me apparently making horrible choices all of the time
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You have enough staff users without Gaius to not miss him being a Trickster, he doesn't have the magic to do cheesy Rescue stuff anyway
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Nah, I echo the 'do what you like' sentiment. Awakening on Casual Normal is about as gentle a Fire Emblem experience there is going, so just enjoy it without worrying about repercussions.

Prepare yourself for alot of Tharja defending and me apparently making horrible choices all of the time

I own this:

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and this:

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No need to worry about criticism here!
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my thought process was you can't have enough healers IMO

buuuuut, I already have Anna as a trickster, so I just wanted to explore new grounds

also again, Volke
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Luis_Sera89 posted...

I own this:

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and this:

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people have posted both of those already! lol
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I've heard the term thrown around a few times on why my choices are terrible

but I just want to know now

what exactly is Galeforce? How do you get it?

I guess the kids can inherit it? Or are they the only ones that get it?
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Galeforce is the level 15 skill from the Dark Flier class (one of the promotions for Pegasus Knight). Once per turn, it allows you to move and act again after killing an enemy. It's one of the most broken skills you could have in Fire Emblem, and combined with Rescue and Olivia it lets you utterly trivialize every "defeat boss" chapter by clearing it in one turn by just skipping your way across the whole map and killing the boss right away. Also breaks every single group of enemies that are supposed to be tough to find a way to tank, as you can just run in, kill one and run back out of range without concern
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It's way overrated.
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It's the most broken skill in the game. I think someone already explained what it does but it lets you act again after killing a unit. So like being danced without needing Olivia nearby. If two units who know it are paired up, they can act 3 times. It's a Dark Flier skill that can be passed down to kids.
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It's a fun skill but IMO it's hardly even worth suffering through the Dark Flier class to get.
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Luis_Sera89 posted...

and this:

http://images.goodsmile.info/cgm/images/product/20150706/5112/34438/large/a3e94a34f4caabfa28caa0c7aebb22e7.jpg

Want so bad tbh
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It's a good skill but if you're not looking to minmax and spend hours of your life sludging through battles with risen, then it's entirely unnecessary.

The kids can inherit skills that would otherwise be impossible for them to receive from their own class pool.
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Kenri posted...

It's a fun skill but IMO it's hardly even worth suffering through the Dark Flier class to get.

"Suffering"

Like a class with great speed, resistance and mobility that has access to both physical and magical weapons is a hardship instead of a godsend <_<
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ohhh I see.

So it becomes about opening up that class to as many people as you can

I guess thats why my marriage choices are "bad", huh? They don't get access to that class

so without BREEDING

can any of the gen 1 people learn it on their own?

I guess Sumia and Cordelia since its a "flier" class, right?
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Punnyz posted...

ohhh I see.

So it becomes about opening up that class to as many people as you can

I guess thats why my marriage choices are "bad", huh? They don't get access to that class

so without BREEDING

can any of the gen 1 people learn it on their own?

I guess Sumia and Cordelia since its a "flier" class, right?

For minmax purposes, yes, trying to get Galeforce on as many kids as possible is the way to create the ultimate endgame god party (that is complete overkill for anything other than one DLC pack).

Anyone in gen 1 that can be a Pegasus Knight can get it. Sumia and Cordelia can just promote into it, while Lissa, Maribelle and Olivia can all get it via reclassing (either to Pegasus Knight unpromoted, or directly to Dark Flier from a promoted class). The latter three all have male children, so those kids can only get Galeforce by inheritance (if you don't already know, when you go into the list of equipped skills on your units you can rearrange them, which is important because whichever equipped skill is at the bottom of the list will be inherited by a kid when you do their chapter, aside from Chrom who passes down a predetermined skill to any kids he has). Female Robin can obviously get it due to having every class, her son has to inherit it from her.
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You see, now that I'm more familiar with the game and I'm starting to get children, I'm ready to soak this knowledge in. Just barking that I'm doing everything wrong when I don't even know what you're talking about is not the way to do it.
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I wouldn't suggest trying to pass down Galeforce to the boys if you aren't trying to min max. It's going to take forever to get Galeforce on the moms unless you buy some of the later DLC packs.
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Now I'm really curious, is there a like a super best way to do this? Which pairings produced the best children?
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Also I did not know about the skills on the bottom row thing.
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Morgan has anathema, solidarity, and hex
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Panthera posted...

Kenri posted...

It's a fun skill but IMO it's hardly even worth suffering through the Dark Flier class to get.

"Suffering"

Like a class with great speed, resistance and mobility that has access to both physical and magical weapons is a hardship instead of a godsend <_<

Maybe I've just been screwed but I've never found a phys/magic split class that could competently use both, definitely including Dark Fliers.
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

You see, now that I'm more familiar with the game and I'm starting to get children, I'm ready to soak this knowledge in. Just barking that I'm doing everything wrong when I don't even know what you're talking about is not the way to do it.

I wasn't aware that I was barking anything, I'm a cat

Kenri posted...

Maybe I've just been screwed but I've never found a phys/magic split class that could competently use both, definitely including Dark Fliers.

Robin has the stats to really abuse it, but pretty much anyone can be effective with it. You get plenty of spirit dust and don't have too many other people to use them on, plus enemy resistance sucks most of the time (and most of the exceptions have bad defense, it's really only Dark Knights that are a problem, and you have Beast Killers for them anyway), plus given you'll have the speed to double, all you really need to do is be able to 3 or 4 hit kill an enemy since pair up attacks will do the rest for you. Even on Lunatic difficulty Sumia doesn't struggle to kill things with magic, for example (she only struggles with surviving more than one hit)
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If the game showed me the classes and what they can learn, this might be more fun

But the fact that I probably have to find out on my own by trial and error or look up a guide makes it much less so
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

Now I'm really curious, is there a like a super best way to do this? Which pairings produced the best children?

The only absolute is the "Triangle", and that goes down to two particular pairings:

Donnel x Sully;
Gaius x Tharja

It can be "solved" by adding in Robin x Nowi, but there's quite a few reasons why that's a bad idea.
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You're joking but I still want to clarify that I wasn't referring to you with that comment lol
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Panthera posted...

Robin has the stats to really abuse it, but pretty much anyone can be effective with it. You get plenty of spirit dust and don't have too many other people to use them on, plus enemy resistance sucks most of the time (and most of the exceptions have bad defense, it's really only Dark Knights that are a problem, and you have Beast Killers for them anyway), plus given you'll have the speed to double, all you really need to do is be able to 3 or 4 hit kill an enemy since pair up attacks will do the rest for you. Even on Lunatic difficulty Sumia doesn't struggle to kill things with magic, for example (she only struggles with surviving more than one hit)

Robin I can see, but Sumia's gonna be starting with an E in magic so she's not killing much of anything until that's fixed.

Like I'm not doubting your experience but even on my minmax Awakening run, getting Galeforce was the "thank god" moment when I could finally switch back to a class that could actually contribute beyond Rally Movement and pair-up. It just has not been good to me and it seems like you need a lot of extra effort to make it good.
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Kenri posted...

Panthera posted...

Robin has the stats to really abuse it, but pretty much anyone can be effective with it. You get plenty of spirit dust and don't have too many other people to use them on, plus enemy resistance sucks most of the time (and most of the exceptions have bad defense, it's really only Dark Knights that are a problem, and you have Beast Killers for them anyway), plus given you'll have the speed to double, all you really need to do is be able to 3 or 4 hit kill an enemy since pair up attacks will do the rest for you. Even on Lunatic difficulty Sumia doesn't struggle to kill things with magic, for example (she only struggles with surviving more than one hit)

Robin I can see, but Sumia's gonna be starting with an E in magic so she's not killing much of anything until that's fixed.

Like I'm not doubting your experience but even on my minmax Awakening run, getting Galeforce was the "thank god" moment when I could finally switch back to a class that could actually contribute beyond Rally Movement and pair-up. It just has not been good to me and it seems like you need a lot of extra effort to make it good.

Rank C is all you need in Tomes.

Celica's Gale is a thing.
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Huff n puff 20 posted...

Heroic Bigpun posted...

Now I'm really curious, is there a like a super best way to do this? Which pairings produced the best children?

The only absolute is the "Triangle", and that goes down to two particular pairings:

Donnel x Sully;
Gaius x Tharja

To think I almost did these lol

Huff n puff 20 posted...

It can be "solved" by adding in Robin x Nowi, but there's quite a few reasons why that's a bad idea.

Whats that
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Huff n puff 20 posted...

Heroic Bigpun posted...

Now I'm really curious, is there a like a super best way to do this? Which pairings produced the best children?

The only absolute is the "Triangle", and that goes down to two particular pairings:

Donnel x Sully;
Gaius x Tharja

It can be "solved" by adding in Robin x Nowi, but there's quite a few reasons why that's a bad idea.

I have no clue what this is supposed to mean

I'm pretty sure batman and severa will always be badasses, regardless of their parents, though.
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Kenri posted...

Robin I can see, but Sumia's gonna be starting with an E in magic so she's not killing much of anything until that's fixed.

Like I'm not doubting your experience but even on my minmax Awakening run, getting Galeforce was the "thank god" moment when I could finally switch back to a class that could actually contribute beyond Rally Movement and pair-up. It just has not been good to me and it seems like you need a lot of extra effort to make it good.

It depends on how much experience you get her, plus stat booster usage. If I'm making Sumia part of the team she gets the first Seraph Robe so she can actually survive and the first Energy Drop, then pairs up with Kellam for chapter 3 and Frederick for chapter 4 and beyond since they provide the right boosts for each other. If you feed her kills early she'll usually be strong enough to get a lot of experience in the desert chapters and promote fairly early. It's probably not the best low turn count approach (that tends to be all Robin all day, even moreso than usual), but it's not all that hard to do.

The important thing is that Robin and whoever s/he is paired up with basically solos the majority of any given map, so all you're really doing with the rest is picking who else gets experience, except in cases where flying units can put in work regardless, which obviously Sumia gets to do regardless. Lunatic Awakening is really just the Robin show where you pick one or two other combat units to use as a project on the side and for the sake of unlocking children chapters for more experience/items, then riding the kids the rest of the way, so you might as well pick the character that produces Galeforce/Rescue shenanigans eventually...regardless of how dubious the magic stat may be lol
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Huff n puff 20 posted...

Rank C is all you need in Tomes.

Celica's Gale is a thing.

That's still a lot of grinding. Also there's no guaranteed Celica's Gale in the main game so lol

Panthera posted...

The important thing is that Robin and whoever s/he is paired up with basically solos the majority of any given map, so all you're really doing with the rest is picking who else gets experience, except in cases where flying units can put in work regardless, which obviously Sumia gets to do regardless. Lunatic Awakening is really just the Robin show where you pick one or two other combat units to use as a project on the side and for the sake of unlocking children chapters for more experience/items, then riding the kids the rest of the way, so you might as well pick the character that produces Galeforce/Rescue shenanigans eventually...regardless of how dubious the magic stat may be lol

This makes more sense to me, I can see how dark fliers would be good under this setup. I might change my mind on the class if I ever play lunatic difficulty; on hard they've done nothing but disappoint me though.
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Kenri posted...

That's still a lot of grinding. Also there's no guaranteed Celica's Gale in the main game so lol

Entirely free DLC lets you buy them, and the renown award system means after a couple playthroughs you can get one for free, so they're not that hard to come by unless you're challenging yourself by not using that stuff.

Kenri posted...

This makes more sense to me, I can see how dark fliers would be good under this setup. I might change my mind on the class if I ever play lunatic difficulty; on hard they've done nothing but disappoint me though.

Yeah they can seem underwhelming if you're actually using them at the seemingly intended level curve, since Galeforce takes forever to get and other classes will give you better attack stats. It's only when you funnel all the experience into a small number of characters (which Lunatic heavily encourages with its bonkers enemy stats and frequent "open space where everything comes at you" design) that it starts to stand out above everything else, since you can have multiple Galeforce users by the time the kids become available and even characters with bad magic growth can have decent magic damage if they're ten levels beyond what the game probably expects.
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so who is Robin's best marriage option?

both Male and female

also Chrom

i now know Sully isn't his best lol
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Peace___Frog posted...

Huff n puff 20 posted...

Heroic Bigpun posted...

Now I'm really curious, is there a like a super best way to do this? Which pairings produced the best children?

The only absolute is the "Triangle", and that goes down to two particular pairings:

Donnel x Sully;
Gaius x Tharja

It can be "solved" by adding in Robin x Nowi, but there's quite a few reasons why that's a bad idea.

I have no clue what this is supposed to mean

I'm pretty sure batman and severa will always be badasses, regardless of their parents, though.

The "Triangle" are Kjelle, Noire, and Nah.
They are a trio of units who cannot get Galeforce without correct fathers.

The problem is Galeforce alone isn't quite good. You want 2 Proc skills with them. (Luna and a Skl/2 skill for the most part.)

So there's a set arrangement.
Gaius offers Galeforce and Astra.
Donnel only offers Galeforce.

Kjelle naturally has Luna and Astra.
So Donnel fixes her up.

Noire has Luna naturally.
Gaius solves her.

Nah has nothing. And a really shitty set of mods.

Severa is always great. Best with LonQu as her father though.
Gerome not so much: he requires Berserker to do well. (Henry, Vaike or Gregor)... He, Yarne and Laurent form the hard support line: the are GREAT as pair ups, but shitty in the back line.
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Punnyz posted...

so who is Robin's best marriage option?

both Male and female

also Chrom

i now know Sully isn't his best lol

Lucina for Male. I don't have time to fully explain this, but it's actually her.

Female, probably a well set up Owain. Or one of the Hard Support Trio.

Chrom: Sumia.
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Huff n puff 20 posted...

Gaius offers Galeforce and Astra.

would Gaius need to already know these before he could pass them on?

I'm lookin at my Gaius and its not there
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Huff n puff 20 posted...

Hard Support Trio.

whats that
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Punnyz posted...

Huff n puff 20 posted...

Gaius offers Galeforce and Astra.

would Gaius need to already know these before he could pass them on?

I'm lookin at my Gaius and its not there

No, Gaius passes on classes that can learn these skills. His daughter can learn them, so don't worry about grinding for these skills.
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Punnyz posted...

Huff n puff 20 posted...

Gaius offers Galeforce and Astra.

would Gaius need to already know these before he could pass them on?

I'm lookin at my Gaius and its not there

Children inherit classes from their parents so no. In fact, Gaius can't have Galeforce at all since he's a first generation dude, but he can be a fighter, and since girls can't be fighters, and daughter he has gets to have pegasus knight in its place (even though Vaike doesn't give daughters pegasus knight access despite being a fighter himself, oddly enough).

"Hard support" is basically just a character that isn't good for actual combat (generally due to lack of galeforce or speed or both) but is good for pair ups (pair up attacks can be half or more of your damage with the right setup). So the "hard support trio" is basically just characters that for various reasons are only really good as dedicated pair up bots
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Yeah, kids can only inherit skills from parents if the parents know them

Edit: i think?
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